Opening up the TW logo topic again

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DenizenOfAsgard

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Nov 8, 2007, 10:17:05 AM11/8/07
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I'd like to add a TiddlyWiki logo to the credits page of a hypertext
story I'm writing.

I was thinking of adding something like below:

<html>
<a href="http://www.tiddlywiki.com">
Rendering engine<br>
powered by Tiddlywiki
<br>
<img border="0" alt="Powered by Tiddlywiki" title="Get Tiddlywiki for
yourself" HEIGHT="60", WIDTH="120" src="http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/
attachment/wiki/TiddlyWikiDotOrgLogos/tw.png?format=raw"/>
<br>
Get Tiddlywiki for yourself here!
</a>
</html>


1. Following the other discussion threads, I see there is no agreed
upon TW logo. True?
2. Who owns the logos displayed on tiddlywiki.org? Are they covered by
some kind of open source license, or do I need permission from the
owner?
3. Is there any preferred wording when giving credit to the TW engine
itself?

Thanks,
Joe

FND

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Nov 9, 2007, 9:52:20 AM11/9/07
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> 1. Following the other discussion threads, I see there is no agreed
> upon TW logo. True?

Jeremy told me he deliberately chose not to have an official TW logo.
He's currently not available, but I'll poke him so he can maybe give you
some detailed reasoning on this.

> 2. Who owns the logos displayed on tiddlywiki.org? Are they covered by
> some kind of open source license, or do I need permission from the
> owner?

I assume you mean these:
http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/TiddlyWikiDotOrgLogos
IANAL, but I believe that if no license has been specified, regular
copyright applies. However, I seriously doubt the original creators
would sue you for using them...
Here are the threads where these logos had originally been discussed:
http://tinyurl.com/3afts4
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/226153b609babf0/ec679998c0f55932)
http://tinyurl.com/3x6ncd
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/6254fa6368fd3fc9/6763e1d3425c822b)

> 3. Is there any preferred wording when giving credit to the TW engine
> itself?

I don't think so - maybe look at the license text at the top of each
TiddlyWiki file's source.


-- F.

DenizenOfAsgard

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Nov 9, 2007, 3:51:05 PM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 3:52 pm, FND <Ace_No...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > 2. Who owns the logos displayed on tiddlywiki.org? Are they covered by
> > some kind of open source license, or do I need permission from the
> > owner?
>
> I assume you mean these:
> http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/TiddlyWikiDotOrgLogos

Yes, those.

> IANAL, but I believe that if no license has been specified, regular
> copyright applies. However, I seriously doubt the original creators
> would sue you for using them...

I'm sure not, too. But I think my publisher would want to know for
certain before accepting my piece.

Simon Baird

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Nov 9, 2007, 5:11:36 PM11/9/07
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I made the wavy line one. I give permission for it to be used anywhere by anyone without acknowledgement.

Is that sufficient?

Simon.

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DenizenOfAsgard

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Nov 10, 2007, 3:12:14 AM11/10/07
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Thank you very much. Very cool logo by the way.

> simon.ba...@gmail.com

Jeremy Ruston

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Nov 14, 2007, 10:03:13 AM11/14/07
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Sorry to be popping up so late in this thread.

As FND says, from the beginning of TW I decided to try to avoid having
a logo. The pragmatic reason was to keep TW itself totally self
contained, without the crusty icons you get for missing image files.

I also liked the way that it cut across the conventional web2.0 way of
doing things (the get-domain-name-and-logo-before-creating-product
approach), and that maybe not having a logo was actually more chic.

In the situations where I've needed a logo (eg browser favicons) I've
used a sketch of the TW UI itself as the logo. I was liking the idea
that the page layout was (just) distinctive enough to be iconic.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com
http://www.tiddlywiki.com

schilke

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Nov 14, 2007, 11:08:16 AM11/14/07
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> I made the wavy line one. I give permission for it to be used anywhere by
> anyone without acknowledgement.

and after Simon's clearification: you probably might be interested
into the raw PNG of the
http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Image:SealOfApproval.png
(with Simon's logo as a separate layer)

You can find it here:
http://j.dyndns.tv/playground/tiddlywiki/dev/artwork/seal002.png

I also played with that one (that's without the ".org" at the end):
http://j.dyndns.tv/playground/tiddlywiki/dev/artwork/twoseal4.png

HTH

--s

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