On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:36:12 AM UTC-4, RonO wrote:
The url of an article by Bechly:
>
https://evolutionnews.org/2023/08/fossil-friday-did-the-cambrian-explosion-really-happen/
This is my second and final reply to Ron O's OP. Anyone who has read the first reply
can see why I say that a much more accurate thread title would be:
"More ID-friendly science on the Cambrian explosion for naive creationists to deny"
The first reply had mostly to do with the first clause, now we come to the second clause:
> It is actually the YEC IDiots that do not want the Cambrian explosion to
> have ever happened and the Reason to Believe IDiots also can't deal with
> the event. The Reason to Believe IDiots are old earth creationists, and
> use the Cambrian explosion gap denial
You mean "Reasons to Believe". The people who run that site are biblical literalists with
convoluted ways of thinking that are a world apart from the careful use of science
by the ID-promoting Evolution News.
> the same way that the ID perps use it, but then they have to deny the denial because their Bible tells them
> that their designer made land plants before sea creatures, and land
> plants do not show up in the fossil record until the Ordovician.
There's plenty more wrong with the Genesis accounts of creation.
None of the leading ID theorists is a biblical literalist.
In fact, it would be laughable to call Behe one, and I believe the same
applies to Stephen Meyer, Denton, Dembski, and most if not all of the writers
of articles for Evolution News.
> So the Cambrian explosion data doesn't really mean what it looks like it means
> for the IDiots at Reason to Believe. They even have to claim that
> whales were among the sea creatures created on the 5th day before the
> ancestors of whales were created on day 6. The gaps in the whale fossil
> records have to be denied by the Reason to Believe IDiots. Most IDiots
> just cannot deal with the Top Six in an honest and straight forward
> manner because the designer of the Top Six is not the Biblical designer.
>
> This is really how lame the IDiots are.
Who do you think there are any among t.o. participants?
You have never made a case for Glenn fitting the above description.
> To demonstrate that this is the current reality, all anyone has to do is
> read this IDiotic stupidity, and then try to get any YEC IDiots to
> accept the reality outlined by this article.
Since there is no one here in talk.origins who is acts like a YEC, your
"demonstration" will have to find another venue.
>Most of the IDiotic
> creationists supporting the ID scam are still YEC.
As I said in my first reply, you have given no clear evidence of an ID scam.
> Nelson has been a
> YEC ID perp since the beginning of the current creationist ID scam.
> Nelson has pretty much always claimed that the ID science does not
> exist, and that they are just working on it. The reason is that Nelson
> can't stand the Top Six and what it means.
Who is Nelson and what relevance does he have for talk.origins?
>If Meyer and Bechly were
> ever able to demonstrate that their designer was responsible for the
> Cambrian explosion
They are content with the fact that neo-Darwinism can't account for
it in its present rudimentary form.
>Nelson would have to deny that science.
Who cares, even if it is true? I'm sure neither Meyer nor Bechly does.
>Even though
> the Top Six are the same god-of-the-gaps denial stupidity that the
> scientific creationists used to put up
Again, this can only be credible if it refers to the original "Top Six" articles
rather than the mountain of science behind them, and numerous newer discoveries.
> it is only meant to allow
> creationists to lie to themselves for the moment. It isn't supposed to
> be used to build anything positive.
>
>
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/cY2JbNjBLwE/m/mJelpHjzAwAJ
>
> Creationists that still go back to the ID perps for the ID scam junk
> have to deal with their current reality. All they get from the ID perps
> is junk that they can lie to themselves about. What is that ever going
> to do for them?
"junk" = scientific observations that YECs and OECs taking Genesis too literally
have to talk about in convoluted ways.
> The Big Bang (#1 of the Top Six) is already a science topic that the
> IDiots want to remove from public school science standards along with
> biological evolution.
Do you know of anyone besides YECs who are so anti-science?
> As sad as it may be the IDiots never wanted to
> teach the best evidence for the creationist ID scam science.
You are making a rash judgment here for which you have
never tried to give evidence.
Moreover, you have never tried to show that the Modern Synthesis (a.k.a neo-Darwinism)
can account for the stupendous scope of the biological evolution that has occurred.
> It is a major reason why the bait and switch has been going down for over 20
> years.
You never gave credible evidence for "bait," and what you call a "switch"
is an emphasis on the inadequacy of neo-Darwinism, which,
as a science, is about microevolution.
> Every time a group of IDiot creationists want to teach IDiocy in
> the public schools the ID perps run the bait and switch and only give
> the rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam,
To what actual events is this supposed to refer? Places and dates,
if you can give them, please.
> and the reason seems to
> be that there isn't anything positive about IDiocy that the ID perps
> want the IDiots to teach in the public schools. The majority of IDiots
> are YEC and how many of them want to teach their kids about the Big Bang
> that occurred over 13 billion years ago, and the fine tuning of our
> planet 4.5 billion years ago, the origin of life, possibly, around 3.8
> billion years ago, the origin of the flagellum over a billion years ago,
> the Cambrian explosion over half a billion years ago, and gaps in the
> fossil record during the time that life has existed on this planet even
> if you limit the scope to the gaps in the human fossil record for the
> last 10 million years? The designer responsible for the Top Six is not
> Biblical enough for most of the IDiots in existence,
I've never seen you make a coherent case for that last sentence.
> including old earth
> creationists like they have at Reason to Believe.
The "Reasons to Believe" site is a straw man where talk.origins is concerned.
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
Univ. of South Carolina in Columbia
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos