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Glenn

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Oct 12, 2021, 3:00:11 PM10/12/21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6PiO-dcps

Is it true? Yes or no, national news media should be investigating and reporting.

Glenn

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Oct 12, 2021, 3:05:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:00:11 PM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6PiO-dcps
>
> Is it true? Yes or no, national news media should be investigating and reporting.

Are some of our most powerful leaders corrupt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4QZJxb9Dw

Must be all lies. Hide head in sand and fart.

peter2...@gmail.com

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Oct 12, 2021, 3:45:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:00:11 PM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6PiO-dcps
> >
> > Is it true? Yes or no, national news media should be investigating and reporting.

Not to belittle these revelations about the corrupt-looking financial deals, but revelations I make below
affect millions of Americans more directly.

> Are some of our most powerful leaders corrupt?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4QZJxb9Dw

> Must be all lies. Hide head in sand and fart.

That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:

_________________________________ begin excerpt from reply to Hemidactylus _______________________________

"Are the Biden, New York, and California vaccination mandates anti-science?"

You read that right: the anti-vaxxers and creationists aren't the only ones that are anti-science
according to the criteria that have been used in talk.origins -- in the latter case, for decades.

The mandates make no exception for people who have natural immunity through having
recovered from Covid-19. The New York and California mandates don't even include the
usual "tested negative each week" for health care workers.

This is in defiance of information coming out of Israel that was available already back on July 13,
IIRC before the mandates got hot and heavy:

"More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
...
"With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave."
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

There is no excuse for the Biden administration not to know about this. On August 5, there was an article
in the US News and World Report by Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
and editor in chief of MedPage Today:
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans
Excerpt:
Some people already have 'natural immunity' – that is, immunity from prior COVID infection. During every month of this pandemic, I've had debates with other public researchers about the effectiveness and durability of natural immunity. I've been told that natural immunity could fall off a cliff, rendering people susceptible to infection. But here we are now, over a year and a half into the clinical experience of observing patients who were infected, and natural immunity is effective and going strong. And that's because with natural immunity, the body develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus, not just a spike protein constructed from a vaccine. The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with vaccinated immunity.

Note especially the words, "...not just a spike protein." This was what the highly touted earlier research measured,
putting all its eggs into that one basket and ignoring other antibodies.
Yet this is the shoddy research that has made possible all the government mandates.

==================== end of excerpt archived in:
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/zePD79yxAAAJ
Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??
Oct 8, 2021, 6:30:10 PM

Since I posted the above, I got wind of an even more outrageous discrimination: a Colorado hospital policy,
denying organ transplants to the very people who are least likely to come down with Covid-19 after the transplant.
I'll be posting details later today.

Peter Nyikos

*Hemidactylus*

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Oct 12, 2021, 5:00:11 PM10/12/21
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peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:
>
You just don’t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
toward it at a snail’s pace:

https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-20819-0_5

Or: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-20819-0_5

Adema C.M. (2015) Fibrinogen-Related Proteins (FREPs) in Mollusks. In: Hsu
E., Du Pasquier L. (eds) Pathogen-Host Interactions: Antigenic Variation v.
Somatic Adaptations. Results and Problems in Cell Differentiation, vol 57.
Springer, Cham.

“Anti-parasite responses of the snail Biomphalaria glabrata involve
antigen-reactive plasma lectins termed fibrinogen-related proteins (FREPs)
comprising a C-terminal fibrinogen (FBG) domain and one or two upstream
immunoglobulin domains. FREPs are highly polymorphic; they derive from
several gene families with multiple loci and alleles that are diversified
by exon loss, alternative splicing, and random somatic mutation (gene
conversion and point mutations). Individual B. glabrata snails have
dynamically distinct FREP sequence repertoires. The immune relevance of B.
glabrata FREPs is indicated by FREP binding to polymorphic antigens of
(snail-specific) digenean parasites and altered resistance of B. glabrata
to digeneans following RNAi knockdown of FREPs. The compatibility
polymorphism hypothesis proposes that FREP mutation increases the range of
germline-encoded immune recognition in B. glabrata to counter
antigenically-varied parasites. Somatic mutation may result from sequence
exchange among tandemly arranged FREP genes in the genome, and analysis of
sequence variants also suggests involvement of cytidine deaminase-like
activity or epigenetic regulation. Without current indications of selection
or retention of effective sequence variants toward immunological memory,
FREP diversification is thought to afford B. glabrata immunity that is
anticipatory but not adaptive. More remains to be learned about this
system; other mollusks elaborate diversified lectins consisting of single
FBG domains, and bona fide FREPs were reported from additional gastropod
species, but these may not be diversified. Future comparative immunological
studies and gene discovery driven by next-generation sequencing will
further clarify taxonomic distribution of FREP diversification and the
underlying mutator mechanisms as a component of immune function in
mollusks.”




peter2...@gmail.com

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Oct 12, 2021, 6:40:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:00:11 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> [snip]

Hemidactylus shows below how completely he exemplifies the following statement by Glenn:

[restoration of a small part of the above snip:]
>>>Are some of our most powerful leaders corrupt?

>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4QZJxb9Dw

>>>Must be all lies. Hide head in sand and fart.
[end of restoration]

I responded directly to the last line:
> > That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
> > he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:

And now Hemidactylus has added the above sign of corruption to "Hide head in the sand and fart."



Hemidactylus also deleted every bit of the "following revelations," and
continues to show just how wrapped up in his own little world he is:

> You just don’t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
> toward it at a snail’s pace:

Hemidactylus is exempting his buddies, including Burkhard, of this kind of criticism,
and has made no effort to hide his favoritism to these denizens of his own little world:

"If you post anything not relevant to somatic hypermutation as
an outcome of being vaccinated or infected by a pathogen here I will ignore
it. That same policy doesn’t apply to others. Casanova is welcome to supply
more puns. Wish Burk had gone beyond my BUT…that sounded weird now that I
think of it."
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/rgTTxKD_AAAJ
Oct 9, 2021, 6:15:11 PM
Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??

In that candid closing sentence, Hemidactylus may have shown an inkling
of how an earlier comment of his, on the same thread, had found its true exemplifier in Burk:

"Back up the truck to the part after my BUT in the OP on this thread. I can
see in this case I may have cast pearls before swine."
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/LMpSXJarAAAJ

That odious use of a well known Biblical verse belies the way Hemidactylus
consistently plays the role of an ethical nihilist, even to the extent of
denying that the morality by which he lives, that of "Might makes right,"
is a form of morality at all.


About that "true exemplifier" bit: I went well beyond the BUT in
subsequent posts, and Hemidactylus snipped the first, lengthy comment
I had made on one statement he had made there. After I reposted the most relevant part
of it to one of HIS main after-the-BUT topics (affinity maturation),
he breezed past my demonstration as though it didn't exist.

In the same post, he lied about my not having responded to the issues he had
brought up in his OP. I set him to rights about that, whereupon Hemidactylus
made it clear, in a thoroughly deceitful response, that his comment
"If you post anything not relevant to somatic hypermutation as
an outcome of being vaccinated or infected by a pathogen here I will ignore it."
[see above ] only gives one half of the picture.

It is as though the cobra Nagaina, in Rudyard Kipling's "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi" had merely said,
"If you move, I strike," without adding "and you do not move, I strike," as she actually did in the story.


Peter Nyikos

Bob Casanova

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Oct 12, 2021, 6:45:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
Just curious...
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

peter2...@gmail.com

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:05:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
> >peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:


> >[snip]

Following an increasingly universal custom among the Overdogs of talk.origins,
Casanova snipped both the words that allow readers to make sense of what I was
responding to Glenn about, and all hint of whom I was responding to.


> >> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
> >> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:
> >>
> >You just don’t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
> >toward it at a snail’s pace:

<snip further demonstrations of Hemidactylus being wrapped up in his world,
dealt with rather thoroughly by me in my own reply to the post to which Casanova is cluelessly replying>

> Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
> one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
> field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
> as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?

It's a Glennism, which the idiot Casanova would know if he had bothered
to look at who wrote the OP.


> Just curious...

But not curious enough to click on Glenn's first link, which reveals that "Hunting" is a pun.

Hemidactylus and his bosom buddy Ron O may have conditioned the readership
of talk.origins to avoid clicking on links. Hemidactylus has tried to con more than
one guileless person into clicking a url that takes one to a 3-second video with an exploding head.
After he had badgered me for a month to do it, I finally did look.

When I saw him trying to con someone who was new to talk.origins after having spent some time
in sci.bio.paleontology, I quickly warned him about the unpleasant sight Hemidactylus
was trying to get him to see, and he commented that Hemidactylus was a rather sad character,
based in part on this juvenile prank of his.

As for Ron O, his links never live up to the promises he makes about them, in my experience.
What makes it worse is that each link eventually leads to a whole prairie dog town
of new links, each successive one of which gradually moves further and further away from the
alleged theme of the original link.


Peter Nyikos


Glenn

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Oct 12, 2021, 10:20:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:05:11 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Casanova wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
> > in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
> > <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
> > >peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > >[snip]
> Following an increasingly universal custom among the Overdogs of talk.origins,
> Casanova snipped both the words that allow readers to make sense of what I was
> responding to Glenn about, and all hint of whom I was responding to.

That was Hemi, not Bob.

jillery

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Oct 12, 2021, 11:20:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:05:11 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
>> > in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
>> > <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
>> > >peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > >[snip]
>> Following an increasingly universal custom among the Overdogs of talk.origins,
>> Casanova snipped both the words that allow readers to make sense of what I was
>> responding to Glenn about, and all hint of whom I was responding to.
>
>That was Hemi, not Bob.


That was the peter who spliced your topic with an entirely different
topic from Hemidactylus, which the peter spliced onto a topic from
SBP.

Nobody can keep up with the peter's obfuscations without a acorecard.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

Glenn

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Oct 12, 2021, 11:30:11 PM10/12/21
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 8:20:11 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:05:11 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Casanova wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
> >> > in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
> >> > <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
> >> > >peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > >[snip]
> >> Following an increasingly universal custom among the Overdogs of talk.origins,
> >> Casanova snipped both the words that allow readers to make sense of what I was
> >> responding to Glenn about, and all hint of whom I was responding to.
> >
> >That was Hemi, not Bob.
> That was the peter
And you're the dickhead.

*Hemidactylus*

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Oct 13, 2021, 5:25:12 AM10/13/21
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Peter pretends to be interested in scientific topics and even has a super
special sig line for that pose. He isn’t.



Ernest Major

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Oct 13, 2021, 7:30:11 AM10/13/21
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Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
Hunter Biden.

--
alias Ernest Major

jillery

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Oct 13, 2021, 9:35:12 AM10/13/21
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The peter's reply is charitably described as a response, in the same
way that traveling from New York to Chicago via Paris is a direct
route. OTOH Glenn's post is off-topic to T.O., so it could be argued
the peter's reply is appropriately off-topic to Glenn's post.

Bob Casanova

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Oct 13, 2021, 12:00:12 PM10/13/21
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 12:26:13 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Ernest Major
<{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>:
OK; thanks. That explains why I didn't see it, since both
reside in my "Special Children" file.
>
> which were YouTube
>links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
>Hunter Biden.
>
Oy...

OK, so "hunting" was intended to be a takeoff on that jerk's
name. Thanks again.

Bob Casanova

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 04:25:00 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:

>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
>> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
>>
>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
>>>> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:
>>>>
>>> You just don?t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
>>> toward it at a snail?s pace:
>>>
>>> https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-20819-0_5
>>>
>>> Or: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-20819-0_5
>>>
>>> Adema C.M. (2015) Fibrinogen-Related Proteins (FREPs) in Mollusks. In: Hsu
>>> E., Du Pasquier L. (eds) Pathogen-Host Interactions: Antigenic Variation v.
>>> Somatic Adaptations. Results and Problems in Cell Differentiation, vol 57.
>>> Springer, Cham.
>>>
>>> ?Anti-parasite responses of the snail Biomphalaria glabrata involve
>>> mollusks.?
>>>
>> Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
>> one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
>> field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
>> as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
>> Just curious...
>>
>Peter pretends to be interested in scientific topics and even has a super
>special sig line for that pose. He isn’t.
>
Agreed, at least from what I've seen, but that wasn't what I
asked. Ernest Major answered my questions, though, so it's
all good.

Glenn

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Oct 13, 2021, 6:25:11 PM10/13/21
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Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ

They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...

Glenn

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Oct 13, 2021, 6:40:11 PM10/13/21
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High ho, a-hunting we will go!

But you you ain't never caught a wabbit and you ain't no friend of mine.

peter2...@gmail.com

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Oct 13, 2021, 10:10:12 PM10/13/21
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On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 5:25:12 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
> > in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
> > <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
> >
> >> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >> [snip]
> >>>
> >>> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
> >>> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether they are lies or not:
> >>>
> >> You just don’t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
> >> toward it at a snail’s pace:
> >>
> >> https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-20819-0_5
> >>
> >> Or: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-20819-0_5

As I told people in a post on this thread that Hemidactylus is running away from:
I went well beyond the BUT that Hemidactylus kept harping on, at which Burk had stopped,
in the thread,
"Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??"

Then Hemidactylus snipped the first, lengthy comment
I had made on one of his post-BUT comments he had made there.
After I reposted the most relevant part, zeroing in on one of Hemi's
two main after-the-BUT topics (affinity maturation),
he breezed past my demonstration as though it didn't exist.

[narrative continued below, addressing Scott "Hemidactylus" Chase directly]


> >> Adema C.M. (2015) Fibrinogen-Related Proteins (FREPs) in Mollusks. In: Hsu
> >> E., Du Pasquier L. (eds) Pathogen-Host Interactions: Antigenic Variation v.
> >> Somatic Adaptations. Results and Problems in Cell Differentiation, vol 57.
> >> Springer, Cham.

<snip lengthy quote to which Hemidactylus contributed not one iota of understanding>

Here came Bob's words whose cluelessness I exposed:

> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
> > Just curious...

Of course, Bob's cluelessness has remained hidden from his Blinkered Coxswain eyes.
What really surprised me was that even Glenn helped Bob to remain thoroughly
in the dark about his question -- jillery, I can understand: Bob is her most faithful ally,
except maybe for Oxyaena, and she doesn't want to do anything to bruise his tender feelings.

Now comes Hemidactylus, wrapped up in his own private little world.

> Peter pretends to be interested in scientific topics and even has a super
> special sig line for that pose. He isn’t.

Your egocentrism is evolving rapidly towards solipsism. You are closing in
on the intermediate destination, egomania.

I posted on-topic scientific material that answered your bait thread title,
"Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??"
better than your linked webpage as far as changes that code for the mRNA.

In the same post where you breezed past my reposted words [see above],
you lied about my not having responded to the issues you had
brought up in your OP. I set you to rights about that, whereupon
you snipped the entire demonstration of how you had lied about
what I had done -- just as you are doing above.

Then you snipped the entire demonstration of how you had lied,
and lied about what you had snipped: "[snip irrelevancies]".
You thereby made it clear, with this thoroughly deceitful response, that your comment
"If you post anything not relevant to somatic hypermutation as
an outcome of being vaccinated or infected by a pathogen here I will ignore it."
[see above ] only gives one half of the picture.

It is as though the cobra Nagaina, in Rudyard Kipling's "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi" had merely said,
"If you move, I strike," without adding "and you do not move, I strike," as she actually did in the story.

There is no point in responding to you any more. It's clear that you are
perfectly happy to go on sucking me into a black hole of your boundless deceit,
entertaining Casanova all the way with the virtual reality you create with your snips.

Back in 2011, I let your buddy Ron O suck me into a black hole
for several months and hundreds of posts. I think he disliked the experience
almost as much as I disliked being the target of lie after lie by him.
He was not shameless enough to indulge in deceitful snips on your grand scale.

I have no illusions about you being the same way, not with Casanova cheering you
on, as he did in the wake of the deceitful posts you served up for him.


Goodbye.


Peter Nyikos

Glenn

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Oct 13, 2021, 10:45:11 PM10/13/21
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I don't pay much attention to Hemi's arrogant blabbering, but a thought occurred to me that if the way immune cells are "taught" to fight invaders is by "mutation", then in a real sense that would be Lamarkian "directed mutations", would it not? The individuals who had superior immune systems and "learned" to fight invaders would live through viral infections, among other things, to have more children than those who got sick and or died.

jillery

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:

[...]

>> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
>> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
>> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
>> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
>> > Just curious...
>> >>
>> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
>> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
>> Hunter Biden.
>>
>Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
>
>They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...


Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?

jillery

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:


Wow, I haven't been exposed to so much self-serving delusion since
Trump's last speech. Not sure how we can handle both sources at once.

Glenn

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Damn, you nailed yourself in the next post - self serving delusion.

*Hemidactylus*

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jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wow, I haven't been exposed to so much self-serving delusion since
> Trump's last speech. Not sure how we can handle both sources at once.
>
He knows now I have him over a barrel. So maybe I’m boycotted but he will
still talk about me but not respond to my more science oriented points that
scare him for some odd reason? Weird stuff though. Goodbye? So final. This
is bizarre even for him.

*Hemidactylus*

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peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 5:25:12 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
>>> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
>>> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
>>>
>>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
>>>>> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether
>>>>> they are lies or not:
>>>>>
>>>> You just don’t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
>>>> toward it at a snail’s pace:
>>>>
>>>> https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-20819-0_5
>>>>
>>>> Or: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-20819-0_5
>
> As I told people in a post on this thread that Hemidactylus is running away from:
> I went well beyond the BUT that Hemidactylus kept harping on, at which Burk had stopped,
> in the thread,
> "Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??"
>
> Then Hemidactylus snipped the first, lengthy comment
> I had made on one of his post-BUT comments he had made there.
> After I reposted the most relevant part, zeroing in on one of Hemi's
> two main after-the-BUT topics (affinity maturation),
> he breezed past my demonstration as though it didn't exist.
>
Please clue me in on your views about affinity maturation then since
apparently I missed them the first, second, or third time around. What were
they? You zeroed in?
>
[snip]
>
> I have no illusions about you being the same way, not with Casanova cheering you
> on, as he did in the wake of the deceitful posts you served up for him.
>
>
> Goodbye.
>
So you would rather not engage in scientifically relevant discussion on
evolution of immunity but evade with interpersonal crap some more. Maybe it
is better you bowed out then as serious thought about evolution isn’t
really your thing.



jillery

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:26:06 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
>> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wow, I haven't been exposed to so much self-serving delusion since
>> Trump's last speech. Not sure how we can handle both sources at once.
>>
>He knows now I have him over a barrel. So maybe I’m boycotted but he will
>still talk about me but not respond to my more science oriented points that
>scare him for some odd reason? Weird stuff though. Goodbye? So final. This
>is bizarre even for him.


Don't worry. Any differences to the peter's replies pre- and post-
boycott are almost completely embedded in his his self-serving
delusions.

jillery

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:59:03 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
I suppose you're right, in the sense that my question presumes you
think. Not sure how that presumption is self-serving, but your reply
shows it's incorrect. My bad.

Glenn

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That's equivalent to a lie, and just another self serving delusion. You really are bad.

*Hemidactylus*

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jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:26:06 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
>>> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I haven't been exposed to so much self-serving delusion since
>>> Trump's last speech. Not sure how we can handle both sources at once.
>>>
>> He knows now I have him over a barrel. So maybe I’m boycotted but he will
>> still talk about me but not respond to my more science oriented points that
>> scare him for some odd reason? Weird stuff though. Goodbye? So final. This
>> is bizarre even for him.
>
>
> Don't worry. Any differences to the peter's replies pre- and post-
> boycott are almost completely embedded in his his self-serving
> delusions.
>
>
I wonder if he got freaked out over potential somatic mutation of
fibrinogen-related proteins in a snail. That’s nothing compared to the
outcome of a Transiberian transposon war introduced in the book I’m
reading!

jillery

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:44:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>That's equivalent to a lie, and just another self serving delusion. You really are bad.


You really are the village idiot. Give yourself a gold star.

*Hemidactylus*

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Should read somatic mutation of
fibrinogen-related protein encoding genes. Oopsy.



Bob Casanova

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:39:20 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:

>peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 5:25:12 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>
....nothing seen below.
>
>>> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>
....nothing seen below.
Nailed it.

peter2...@gmail.com

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I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.
So far, though, I don't think Ernest major is one of the worst.
On the other hand, Hemidactylus certainly ranks among them.
They might think of him a perfect example of a Democratic party hack, given
his behavior that I called out in the following post:

______________________________________ begin repost _________________________

I almost never post on weekends, but Hemidactylus is getting out of touch with
reality, and is aided and abetted in this trend by Casanova and Burkhard.

On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 7:15:10 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 4:00:11 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

The following was a minor peccadillo as long as I wasn't around:

> >>>>>> This seems to be quite a drift from the OP.

Fast forward to the new virtual reality of Hemidactylus, where drift from OP seems
to have turned into the talk.origins equivalent of high treason in his obsessive mind.


> >> [snip pointless Nyikosian irrelevancies not germane to affinity maturation
> >> or somatic hypermution

> > So evidence of the Biden administration being anti-science in a matter affecting
> > millions of Americans is pointless?
> >
> > I've heard of Democratic party hacks, but you give the term new meaning.
> >
> WTF does Biden have to do with somatic hypermutation in immunocytes, the
> elephant in the room.

What does your egocentric riposte have to do with your devoid-of-reality accusation "pointless"?

Have the megabytes of denunciations of Trump here in talk.origins in 2016-2021,
including accusations of Trump being anti-science, been pointless too?


Peter Nyikos
PS The post on the evidence of anti-science behind Biden's executive order is here:
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/zePD79yxAAAJ
Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??
Oct 8, 2021, 6:30:10 PM

Hemidactylus's personal elephant in the room can be located via the first attribution line to this post.

=============================== end of post archived
at
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/8_Oe8Z72AAAJ
Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??
Oct 9, 2021, 3:30:10 PM

In reply, Hemidactylus breezed right past the proof that he had insanely misused the word "pointless,"
and past the question at the end, as though neither had been there, like a pro-Biden fanatic.
If there are people in the big outside world who are videoed while engaging in behavior as
extreme as that, you might well see a clip on Fox News showing it.


Peter Nyikos

Glenn

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:40:14 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
> > >> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
> > >> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
> > >> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
> > >> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
> > >> > Just curious...
> > >> >>
> > >> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
> > >> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
> > >> Hunter Biden.
> > >>
> > >Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
> > >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
> > >
> > >They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...
>
> > Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
> > like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?
> I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.
> So far, though, I don't think Ernest major is one of the worst.
> On the other hand, Hemidactylus certainly ranks among them.

You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?
Although "wondering about" is not necessarily meant to indicate "caring about", FOX news people
likely do care about the country, which is more than I can say about other "news" outlets.

jillery

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:

>You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?


You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words.

jillery

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:40:03 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
>> >> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
>> >> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
>> >> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
>> >> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
>> >> > Just curious...
>> >> >>
>> >> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
>> >> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
>> >> Hunter Biden.
>> >>
>> >Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
>> >
>> >They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...
>
>> Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
>> like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?
>
>I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.


I doubt people at FOX News know anything about Ernest Major.

<snip remaining irrelevancies>

You said "goodbye". Too bad you changed your mind.

Glenn

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:30:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?
> You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words.
> --
You are a Humpty-Dumpty, and seemingly don't realize it.

Glenn

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:35:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:40:03 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
> >> >> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
> >> >> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
> >> >> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
> >> >> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
> >> >> > Just curious...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
> >> >> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
> >> >> Hunter Biden.
> >> >>
> >> >Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
> >> >
> >> >They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...
> >
> >> Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
> >> like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?
> >
> >I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.
> I doubt people at FOX News know anything about Ernest Major.

But they know about people like Ernest Major, and his "conspiracy theory" claims.
>
> <snip remaining irrelevancies>
>
> You said "goodbye". Too bad you changed your mind.
> --
To bad you don't just shut up. You'd look less foolish.

peter2...@gmail.com

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I am no longer on speaking terms with Scott "Hemidactylus" Chase,
so everything I write below is addressed to jillery, but there are
others here who can benefit from reading it.

On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:26:06 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
> >jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
> >> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow, I haven't been exposed to so much self-serving delusion since
> >> Trump's last speech.

That's a perfect description of the behavior of Hemidactylus that
I described in detail in my post, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know why you didn't leave in a single word of my post.

> > > Not sure how we can handle both sources at once.

Who is "we," jillery? Are you and Hemidactylus such staunch
allies that you need to team up to "handle" me the way you "handle" Trump?

Speaking of Trump, I'm looking forward to handling all replies to the post
I did here earlier today.

You should know that I can document the TRUTH of everything I wrote there.
This is distinct from merely "documenting everything" the way you do it,
which consists merely of labeling things written with unsupported claims
of "lying" or being "self-serving," or being "hypoctritiical".


> >>
> >He knows now I have him over a barrel.

Are you sure you want to keep teaming up with this deluded egomaniac?
Just look at the post I did earlier this afternoon, and see whether you want to lick
his boots even more fulsomely about what I wrote there, than you already have done.


> > So maybe I’m boycotted but he will still talk about me

Like his ardent toady Casanova [see the post that you dared not leave in a single word of],
who is boycotting me but still talking about me, but with a huge difference: I will be
honest about what Hemidactylus is doing, while Casanova acts as though he swallows
everything Hemidactylus rants about me hook, line, and sinker.


> > but not respond to my more science oriented points that
> >scare him for some odd reason?

Pure megalomaniacal delusion. I am under no obligation to talk about things
that Scott "Hemidactylus" Chase wants me to talk about on his timetable--
especially not when he has shamelessly rewritten talk.origins
history about something he wanted me to talk about and lying "[snip irrelevancies]"
to keep Casanova from knowing that I had done so.

> > Weird stuff though. Goodbye? So final. This
> >is bizarre even for him.

It was the stimulus that was bizarre; my reaction was appropriate,
as explained in the post from which you dared not quote. KEYWORDS: black hole,
both in reference to Hemi and his buddy Ron Okimoto.

> Don't worry. Any differences to the peter's replies pre- and post-
> boycott are almost completely embedded in his his self-serving
> delusions.

Your appetite for licking Hemi's boots seems boundless.

[Of course, you and Hemi are fond of a more vulgar word than "boots" in this context,
but I have heard and seen enough vulgarities by others to last for several lifetimes,
some a lot more graphic and disgusting than "arse".]


Peter Nyikos

*Hemidactylus*

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I guess he’s no longer on speaking terms with me, but will continue to talk
about me. Too bad. I’ve been learning some really exciting stuff about the
evolutionary implications of adaptive immunity and relearning how immunity
works. That’s interesting to me and sorta why I took something like his
“The OP was half-baked and I couldn't see anyone go into this matter at the
proper scientific depth in their wordy replies. It's like what we see
everywhere in the internet -- generalities that try to reassure us about
the extreme unlikelihood of your genome being altered.” on that other
thread to be deeply insulting.

My interest then in how vaccination ties into adaptive immunity wound up
shifting into some interesting issues in comparative immunology and
molecular evolution as a work in progress. The transposon thing for RAG1
floored me way more than if mRNA vaccines can indirectly result in somatic
mutations in some immune cells’ DNA to improve affinity between antibodies
and their target antigens. How did somatic recombination in lymphocytes
become a thing in the first place within the vertebrates and how did
somatic mutation in B lymphocytes evolve too?

Glenn

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Damn, a civil post for once! What happened, Hemi, get a peach stuck in your windpipe? Just joking.
Your expressed concerns are interesting, but dangerous. I don't understand why you need to include evolution
though, or why you asked "how did" instead of "could have". The subject seems to be about what does happen
now and what may happen in the future. Much more complex to learn about all the relevant systems and functions of
cells than to invoke "evolution". Yea, shit happens. So what?

peter2...@gmail.com

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:40:14 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
> > > >> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
> > > >> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
> > > >> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
> > > >> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
> > > >> > Just curious...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
> > > >> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
> > > >> Hunter Biden.
> > > >>
> > > >Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
> > > >
> > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
> > > >
> > > >They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...
> >
> > > Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
> > > like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?

Since jillery wasn't replying directly to me, I responded to this off-topic comment by jillery, beginning with:

> > I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.

Unable to say anything intelligent about the above comment and about anything I wrote below, jillery emulated Hemidactylus
by feigning inability to see jillery's own words "people like."

In the repost below, Hemidactylus feigned inability to see his own word, "pointless."


> > So far, though, I don't think Ernest major is one of the worst.
> > On the other hand, Hemidactylus certainly ranks among them.

> You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?

Yes, but the surprise here is that jillery is leaving no doubts about him/her/themselves
being willing to go to the mat for Hemidactylus. A short while ago jillery was pretending to be
upset about how Hemidactylus and I were "strange bedfellows" just because he was having
a value-free tiff with jillery about something very different than the expose
I was doing of jillery's morally questionable behavior.

I wasn't fooled for one minute by jillery's act. But even so,
I never dreamed that jillery would blow her cover so completely.
In fact, the only time I ever saw anyone blow their cover so drastically was when Burkhard
suddenly abandoned his years-old pretended neutrality and being "above it all"
by attacking me as despicably as jillery is doing now.

In his case, it was John Harshman's boots he licked, but he somewhat
disguised his solidarity with John by making his tirade in direct reply to me.
Jillery's solidarity with Hemidactylus was made unmistakable in the way jillery replied directly to him.


> Although "wondering about" is not necessarily meant to indicate "caring about", FOX news people
> likely do care about the country, which is more than I can say about other "news" outlets.

Be that as it may, I care about talk.origins, while jillery and Hemidactylus don't care if it goes to rack and ruin.
They are in the process of destroying it as a means of meaningful communication,
not only between themselves and people they have set themselves against, like you and me and Ron Dean,
but also between themselves and everyone who does not want talk.origins to be dominated by deceit and hypocrisy.
I do hope there are still a goodly number of such lurkers.

For the benefit of any such lukers, I make a few comments about the repost below.


> > They might think of him a perfect example of a Democratic party hack, given
> > his behavior that I called out in the following post:
> >
> > ______________________________________ begin repost _________________________
> >
> > I almost never post on weekends, but Hemidactylus is getting out of touch with
> > reality, and is aided and abetted in this trend by Casanova and Burkhard.
> >
> > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> > > peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 7:15:10 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> > > >> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 4:00:11 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> > > >>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >
> > The following was a minor peccadillo as long as I wasn't around:
> >
> > > >>>>>> This seems to be quite a drift from the OP.
> >
> > Fast forward to the new virtual reality of Hemidactylus, where drift from OP seems
> > to have turned into the talk.origins equivalent of high treason in his obsessive mind.

Remarkably enough, Hemidactylus flaunted the blatant favoritism behind this about-face of his
on the thread from which this is taken:

"If you post anything not relevant to somatic hypermutation as
an outcome of being vaccinated or infected by a pathogen here I will ignore
it. That same policy doesn’t apply to others. Casanova is welcome to supply
more puns. Wish Burk had gone beyond my BUT…that sounded weird now that I
think of it."
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/rgTTxKD_AAAJ
Oct 9, 2021, 6:15:11 PM
Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??

I explained, right on this thread, that blatant favoritism is only one dimension of mendacity in this statement.
There is hidden deceit, and "forgotten" derogatory comments ostensibly about me,
but, unknowingly at the time, about his staunch ally "Burk":

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/RDTkuO9dVjo/m/7gMEFLvsAQAJ
Oct 12, 2021, 6:40:11 PM
Re: Hunting

> >
> > > >> [snip pointless Nyikosian irrelevancies not germane to affinity maturation
> > > >> or somatic hypermution
> >
> > > > So evidence of the Biden administration being anti-science in a matter affecting
> > > > millions of Americans is pointless?
> > > >
> > > > I've heard of Democratic party hacks, but you give the term new meaning.

Hemidactylus knew better than to answer my question. He would have
looked like a fool if he had tried.

> > > WTF does Biden have to do with somatic hypermutation in immunocytes, the
> > > elephant in the room.
> >
> > What does your egocentric riposte have to do with your devoid-of-reality accusation "pointless"?
> >
> > Have the megabytes of denunciations of Trump here in talk.origins in 2016-2021,
> > including accusations of Trump being anti-science, been pointless too?

In his reply to the post I was reposting here, Hemidactylus knew better than to answer this question.
He would have looked like a fool if he had tried. As he did above, he breezed
past it as though it hadn't been there, and intensified his broken record routine
about his infatuation with what he calls the elephant in the room.


> > Peter Nyikos
> > PS The post on the evidence of anti-science behind Biden's executive order is here:
> > https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/zePD79yxAAAJ
> > Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??
> > Oct 8, 2021, 6:30:10 PM
> >
> > Hemidactylus's personal elephant in the room can be located via the first attribution line to this post.
> >
> > =============================== end of post archived
> > at
> > https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/__JVq4HGFzI/m/8_Oe8Z72AAAJ
> > Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??
> > Oct 9, 2021, 3:30:10 PM
> >
> > In reply, Hemidactylus breezed right past the proof that he had insanely misused the word "pointless,"
> > and past the question at the end, as though neither had been there, like a pro-Biden fanatic.
> > If there are people in the big outside world who are videoed while engaging in behavior as
> > extreme as that, you might well see a clip on Fox News showing it.

Jillery had to snip this in order to lie about it being irrelevant. In this too, jillery was
playing "monkey see, monkey do" wrt Hemidactylus, who had done the same sort
of thing with his lie "[snip irrelevancies]".


Peter Nyikos

Bob Casanova

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:11:17 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:

>Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:39:20 -0500, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
>> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
>>
>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 5:25:12 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>
>> ....nothing seen below.
>>>
>>>>> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>
>> ....nothing seen below.
>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:59:40 -0500, the following appeared
>>>>>> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>> <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> peter2...@gmail.com <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what Hemidactylus is doing about the following revelations, except that
>>>>>>>> he is too wrapped up in his own little world to care about whether
>>>>>>>> they are lies or not:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You just don?t want to deal with the evolution of immunity or are moving
>>>>>>> toward it at a snail?s pace:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-20819-0_5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-20819-0_5
>>>>
>>>> As I told people in a post on this thread that Hemidactylus is running away from:
>>>> I went well beyond the BUT that Hemidactylus kept harping on, at which Burk had stopped,
>>>> in the thread,
>>>> "Re: mRNA vaccines changing DNA??"
>>>>
>>>> Then Hemidactylus snipped the first, lengthy comment
>>>> I had made on one of his post-BUT comments he had made there.
>>>> After I reposted the most relevant part, zeroing in on one of Hemi's
>>>> two main after-the-BUT topics (affinity maturation),
>>>> he breezed past my demonstration as though it didn't exist.
>>>>
>>> Please clue me in on your views about affinity maturation then since
>>> apparently I missed them the first, second, or third time around. What were
>>> they? You zeroed in?
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> I have no illusions about you being the same way, not with Casanova cheering you
>>>> on, as he did in the wake of the deceitful posts you served up for him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Goodbye.
>>>>
>>> So you would rather not engage in scientifically relevant discussion on
>>> evolution of immunity but evade with interpersonal crap some more. Maybe it
>>> is better you bowed out then as serious thought about evolution isn?t
>>> really your thing.
>>>
>> Nailed it.
>>
>I guess he’s no longer on speaking terms with me, but will continue to talk
>about me.
>
Join the club.
>
> Too bad. I’ve been learning some really exciting stuff about the
>evolutionary implications of adaptive immunity and relearning how immunity
>works. That’s interesting to me and sorta why I took something like his
>“The OP was half-baked and I couldn't see anyone go into this matter at the
>proper scientific depth in their wordy replies. It's like what we see
>everywhere in the internet -- generalities that try to reassure us about
>the extreme unlikelihood of your genome being altered.” on that other
>thread to be deeply insulting.
>
>My interest then in how vaccination ties into adaptive immunity wound up
>shifting into some interesting issues in comparative immunology and
>molecular evolution as a work in progress. The transposon thing for RAG1
>floored me way more than if mRNA vaccines can indirectly result in somatic
>mutations in some immune cells’ DNA to improve affinity between antibodies
>and their target antigens. How did somatic recombination in lymphocytes
>become a thing in the first place within the vertebrates and how did
>somatic mutation in B lymphocytes evolve too?
>
All interesting, and all *way* more detailed than I'm
equipped to comment on.

jillery

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:12 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:40:14 PM UTC-7, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:30:11 AM UTC-7, Ernest Major wrote:
>> > > >> On 12/10/2021 23:40, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> > > [...]
>> > > >> > Ummm... I realize threads tend to morph quickly, but this is
>> > > >> > one seems extreme; it's the first instance of this Subject:
>> > > >> > field ("Hunting") I've seen here. Did it actually start out
>> > > >> > as something about hunting, or is it just another Peterism?
>> > > >> > Just curious...
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> Peter responded to a couple of posts from Glenn, which were YouTube
>> > > >> links. I suspect that the first video is a conspiracy theory about
>> > > >> Hunter Biden.
>> > > >>
>> > > >Was it? Sorry. It was intended to be about Daddy and the security of the US.
>> > > >
>> > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk4RlPkFSQ
>> > > >
>> > > >They wonder what people like you would say if Hunter was Trump's son...
>> >
>> > > Why do you think people at FOX News know or care about what "people
>> > > like" Ernest Major think about Hunter Biden?
>
>Since jillery wasn't replying directly to me, I responded to this off-topic comment by jillery, beginning with:


If jillery's comment is off-topic, tnen so is the comment to which
jillery responded, and so is your comment to jillery's comment. That
shows how selectively you apply your baseless objections.


>> > I think they care enough to make an example of the worst ones.
>
>Unable to say anything intelligent about the above comment and about anything I wrote below,


Actually, jillery was unable to find anything intelligent about
anything you wrote below. In fact, what you wrote below is a mindless
irrelevant rant against Hemidactylus. Perhaps you posted it as
self-parody.


>In the repost below, Hemidactylus feigned inability to see his own word, "pointless."
>
>
>> > So far, though, I don't think Ernest major is one of the worst.
>> > On the other hand, Hemidactylus certainly ranks among them.
>
>> You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?
>
>Yes, but the surprise here is that jillery is leaving no doubts about him/her/themselves
>being willing to go to the mat for Hemidactylus.


Actually, jillery's "practice" has nothing whatever to do with
Hemidactylus, but instead noted Glenn's mindless off-topic noise about
the Bidens, which inspired Glenn's mindless rant, which inspired you
to piggybacked your mindless rant. It's no surprise that you and
Glenn join in a circle of jerks to stroke each others' egos.

<snip your remaining spamming lies>

jillery

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:12:02 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
But they would have no way to know they were like Ernest Major, which
makes your comment just another example of your mindless noise.


>> <snip remaining irrelevancies>
>>
>> You said "goodbye". Too bad you changed your mind.
>> --
>To bad you don't just shut up. You'd look less foolish.


Too bad you don't follow your own advice.

jillery

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:10:19 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:30:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?
>> You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words.
>> --
>You are a Humpty-Dumpty, and seemingly don't realize it.


Ok polly.

Oxyaena

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On 10/15/2021 9:34 PM, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
[crapsnip]

I love how you're wasting your time engaging in a dick-measuring
competition here when there's actual science to address in sbp. The fact
that you'd rather dick around here than discuss science in sbp supports
Hemi's contention. Just sayin'.

peter2...@gmail.com

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:15:13 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 1:30:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >You do realize, don't you, that jillery is practicing his normal deceptions by obfuscating the obvious?

> > You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words.

Coming from someone as lacking in integrity as jillery, that is a compliment.
Humpty Dumpty, for all his quirks, had the integrity to explain to Alice exactly
what he meant by the word, "glory". He was also very helpful in explaining to Alice
the meanings of all the weird words in the poem, "Jabberwocky."

> > --
> You are a Humpty-Dumpty, and seemingly don't realize it.

Actually, what jillery doesn't realize is the value of integrity. She has enough savvy
to pay lip service to it, but she really has no use for it against people she is unable
to beat in debate fair and square.

As to your first clause, I vaguely hinted to jillery on another thread this week that
she could do a sequel to that famous scene showing "the dark side of Humpty Dumpty"
that Lewis Carroll neglected. [Suggested by "the dark side of the Force" [1] in Star Wars.]
This dark side would display all the features [2] that jillery displayed in the post
just above yours [3] wrt my closing line to Hemidactylus, "Good-bye".

[1] I can't recall the dark side being mentioned at all in the first Star Wars film, only the side promoting the good.
The dark side did play a big role later, especially in the confrontation of Luke with the Emperor.

[3] [put here because [2] is so long]
Here in Google Groups, that is. Some people with threaded newsreaders might have to look for the "Hunting" thread to find it.

[2] First feature: when I, Peter, use a word like Good-bye, it means exactly what jillery chooses it
to mean--no more and no less, in the eyes of jillery's many allies, who greatly outnumber us, Glenn.
What I meant [namely: I was no longer on speaking terms with Hemidactylus and would never again address him in the second person]
counts for nothing in the virtual reality that jillery and the other Overdogs of talk.origins have created around me.

Second feature: jillery did NOT emulate Humpty Dumpty, but kept everyone in the dark as to what jillery chose it to mean.

Third feature: jillery, behaving according to her morality of "Might Makes Right," used her imposed meaning to draw a conclusion
that would be a case of "Garbage In, Garbage Out" in a forum dominated by responsible adults with integrity.


Peter Nyikos

jillery

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT), "peter2...@gmail.com"
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:


jillery leaves the following mindless noise unaltered for
documentation purposes.
There is a deep irony in the peter baselessly and mindlessly accusing
jillery of lacking integrity, while at the same time stroking Glenn's
overinflated ego. Not sure how any rational person gives the peter any
credibility.

Glenn

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Damn, talk about overinflated ego!

jillery

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In the category of: What a great way to show a unique undestanding of
"integrity".

Humpty Dumpty, for all his quirks, had the integrity to explain to
Alice exactly what he meant by the word, "glory". He was also very
helpful in explaining to Alice the meanings of all the weird words in
the poem, "Jabberwocky."

--

Glenn

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On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 4:30:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> In the category of: What a great way to show a unique undestanding of
> "integrity".

"You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words."

"Coming from someone as lacking in integrity as jillery, that is a compliment. "

> Humpty Dumpty, for all his quirks, had the integrity to explain to
> Alice exactly what he meant by the word, "glory". He was also very
> helpful in explaining to Alice the meanings of all the weird words in
> the poem, "Jabberwocky."
>
LOL!

jillery

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:13:11 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
For those who think of Humpty-Dumpty as an icon of integrity, the
yolk's on you.

Glenn

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On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:13:11 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 4:30:14 PM UTC-7, jillery wrote:
> >> In the category of: What a great way to show a unique undestanding of
> >> "integrity".
> >
> >"You have a Humpty-Dumpty way with words."
> >
> >"Coming from someone as lacking in integrity as jillery, that is a compliment. "
> >
> >> Humpty Dumpty, for all his quirks, had the integrity to explain to
> >> Alice exactly what he meant by the word, "glory". He was also very
> >> helpful in explaining to Alice the meanings of all the weird words in
> >> the poem, "Jabberwocky."
> >>
> >LOL!
> For those who think of Humpty-Dumpty as an icon of integrity, the
> yolk's on you.
> --
Oh, so you do have a sense of humor. If real, it appears still in the infancy phase.

Here, have fun;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33qzW4Qvr8

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