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Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 26, 2024, 4:52:27 PM4/26/24
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I think I'd like to take a stab at Oz #3: Ozma of Oz (PG, IA) -- it's a bit more complicated than the Hardy Boys, but I think I have the basics down well and time and bandwidth to suss it out this time.

From the flip through it looks like there's:
  1. Lots of illustrations, but they all seem decorative and not relevant to the plot.
  2. Front matter -- dedication and Author's Note (in that order). If it's not in that order on the automatic ordering of the spine, do we manually correct it?
  3. A note in the sand that looks like it's blockquoted in the book -- semanticate as a letter? (I semanticated a short note as a letter on the last Hardy Boys, but it was a physical note)
  4. Cards and directions for a robot (Tiktok -- before it was cool) -- would I make this into blockquoted text or would these be essential illustrations? It seems as though PG just put it in a box with regular text.
  5. "Tiktok" talks like this -- give it all (*nervous sweating*) non-break hyphens, correct?
  6. An asterisked footnote. Do I just make the asterisk into a 1 and treat it like an end note?
I'll find a suitable cover image after proofreading.

Vince

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Apr 26, 2024, 5:17:26 PM4/26/24
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  1. Right, no illustrations if they’re not essential to the plot.
  2. Yes.
  3. No, just plain blockquote.
  4. What PG did is preferable, I think. It’s not too hard, just a blockquote with a border.
  5. That’s a good question. According to rule, yes, but that might make line-breaks pretty ugly. Alex can say if he’d rather regular dashes.
  6. Yes, step 11 in the Step by Step guide covers turning footnotes into endnotes.

Send your repo link when you begin.

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 26, 2024, 8:49:18 PM4/26/24
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I appreciate all the help!


"A Record of Her Adventures with Dorothy Gale of
Kansas, the Yellow Hen, the Scarecrow, the Tin
Woodman, Tiktok, the Cowardly Lion and
the Hungry Tiger; Besides Other Good
People too Numerous to Mention
Faithfully Recorded Herein"

That is a subtitle, right? And if so, it  belongs in the half-title page, yes? Would I format it as displayed above?

Vince

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Apr 26, 2024, 9:01:56 PM4/26/24
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Yes, some authors loved their paragraph-length subtitles. Some of Twain’s works have those, as well as a few others; we don’t bother with them.

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 27, 2024, 9:39:52 AM4/27/24
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Man, lots and lots of cruft bc they had links to illustrations everywhere. Time to learn regex :))

Anyway -- there's some italics within chapter titles, do I keep it? They're from the illustrations for the chapter titles. ToC on the scans don't have the italics.

Naming wise, it's dedication.xhtml for the dedication and preface.xhtml for the author's note, correct?

Alex Cabal

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Apr 27, 2024, 12:47:27 PM4/27/24
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Lukas can you manage this with Emma reviewing?

On 4/26/24 3:52 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> I think I'd like to take a stab at Oz #3: Ozma of Oz
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozma_of_Oz> (PG
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/33361>, IA
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6>) -- it's a bit more
> complicated than the Hardy Boys, but I think I have the basics down well
> and time and bandwidth to suss it out this time.
>
> From the flip through it looks like there's:
>
> 1. /Lots/ of illustrations, but they all seem decorative and not
> relevant to the plot.
> 2. Front matter -- dedication and Author's Note (in that order). If
> it's not in that order on the automatic ordering of the spine, do we
> manually correct it?
> 3. Anote in the sand
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/38/mode/2up>
> that looks like it's blockquoted in the book -- semanticate as a
> letter? (I semanticated a short note as a letter on the last Hardy
> Boys, but it was a physical note)
> 4. Cards
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/55/mode/2up>
> and directions
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/56/mode/2up>
> for a robot (Tiktok -- before it was cool) -- would I make this into
> blockquoted text or would these be essential illustrations? It seems
> as though PG just put it in a box with regular text.
> 5. "Tiktok" talks like this
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/58/mode/2up>
> -- give it all (*nervous sweating*) non-break hyphens, correct?
> 6. An asterisked footnote
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/95/mode/2up>. Do I just make the asterisk into a 1 and treat it like an end note?
>
> I'll find a suitable cover image after proofreading.
>
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Alex Cabal

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Apr 27, 2024, 1:12:27 PM4/27/24
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re. hyphens, if all of his speech is like that then just use regular
hyphens. Otherwise the line breaks will get really messed up.

On 4/26/24 4:17 PM, Vince wrote:
> 1. Right, no illustrations if they’re not essential to the plot.
> 2. Yes.
> 3. No, just plain blockquote.
> 4. What PG did is preferable, I think. It’s not too hard, just a
> blockquote with a border.
> 5. That’s a good question. According to rule, yes, but that might make
> line-breaks pretty ugly. Alex can say if he’d rather regular dashes.
> 6. Yes, step 11 in the Step by Step guide covers turning footnotes into
> endnotes.
>
>
> Send your repo link when you begin.
>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt
>> <mb.eliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I'd like to take a stab at Oz #3: Ozma of Oz
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6>) -- it's a bit
>> more complicated than the Hardy Boys, but I think I have the basics
>> down well and time and bandwidth to suss it out this time.
>>
>> From the flip through it looks like there's:
>>
>> 1. /Lots/ of illustrations, but they all seem decorative and not
>> relevant to the plot.
>> 2. Front matter -- dedication and Author's Note (in that order). If
>> it's not in that order on the automatic ordering of the spine, do
>> we manually correct it?
>> 3. Anote in the sand
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/38/mode/2up> that looks like it's blockquoted in the book -- semanticate as a letter? (I semanticated a short note as a letter on the last Hardy Boys, but it was a physical note)
>> 4. Cards
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/55/mode/2up> and directions <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/56/mode/2up> for a robot (Tiktok -- before it was cool) -- would I make this into blockquoted text or would these be essential illustrations? It seems as though PG just put it in a box with regular text.
>> 5. "Tiktok" talks like this
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/58/mode/2up> -- give it all (*nervous sweating*) non-break hyphens, correct?
>> 6. An asterisked footnote
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/95/mode/2up>. Do I just make the asterisk into a 1 and treat it like an end note?
>>
>> I'll find a suitable cover image after proofreading.
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Alex Cabal

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Apr 27, 2024, 1:13:40 PM4/27/24
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Re. italics, need to see page scans

Re. filenames https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.4/single-page#2.2.4.5

On 4/27/24 8:39 AM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> Man, lots and lots of cruft bc they had links to illustrations
> /everywhere/. Time to learn regex :))
>
> /Anyway --/ there's some italics within chapter titles, do I keep it?
> They're from the illustrations for the chapter titles. ToC on the scans
> don't have the italics.
>
> Naming wise, it's dedication.xhtml for the dedication and preface.xhtml
> for the author's note, correct?
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 9:01:56 PM UTC-4 Vince wrote:
>
> Yes, some authors loved their paragraph-length subtitles. Some of
> Twain’s works have those, as well as a few others; we don’t bother
> with them.
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:49 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt
>> <mb.eliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the help!
>>
>> Also, this apparently has the subtitle of
>> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/n7/mode/2up>
>>
>> "A Record of Her Adventures with Dorothy Gale of
>> Kansas, the Yellow Hen, the Scarecrow, the Tin
>> Woodman, Tiktok, the Cowardly Lion and
>> the Hungry Tiger; Besides Other Good
>> People too Numerous to Mention
>> Faithfully Recorded Herein"
>>
>> That is a subtitle, right? And if so, it  belongs in the
>> half-title page, yes? Would I format it as displayed above?
>>
>> Here's my repo! <https://github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz>
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Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 27, 2024, 1:29:43 PM4/27/24
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Yes, all of his speech is like that; I'll keep in the regular hyphens.

Italics in chapters -- it's styled like that in the illustration and PG has kept the italics for the names of chapters, but also within the scans, on the top of the page, the chapter titles are not italics

Thanks for the clarifications!

Alex Cabal

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Apr 27, 2024, 2:04:15 PM4/27/24
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Lukas Bystricky

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Apr 27, 2024, 2:31:45 PM4/27/24
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I can manage. 

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 27, 2024, 9:52:30 PM4/27/24
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Is there anyway to do the accept/decline changes during se modernize? Almost all of Tiktok's dialogue is getting its hyphens dropped. :)) If the answer is "just write down the correct modernizations and do those" I'm prepared for it

Lukas Bystricky

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Apr 28, 2024, 2:07:00 AM4/28/24
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Not that I'm aware of. 

One thing that might help is the --no-hyphens flag. You can run modernize-spelling with the --no-hyphens flag first to modernize all the spelling, commit that and then run modernize-spelling again to do the hyphens. Also, if you're not already using a graphical interface for git, you should consider switching to one (I use Git Fork, but there are others out there). It makes the process of viewing and staging/unstaging specific changes much easier. 

Weijia Cheng

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Apr 28, 2024, 10:32:17 AM4/28/24
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You can use git add --patch to selective accept the changes from modernize-spelling, and then use git restore once you've accepted all the changes you want to get rid of the invalid changes.

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 28, 2024, 10:33:54 AM4/28/24
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Good to know; I'll keep that flag in mind for the future -- I ended up just going through and manually doing them. Since there weren't too many.

I do use a GUI called Pulsar, but I'll take a look at Git Fork as well; thanks for the suggestion!

As for the modernize spelling, there are some I didn't change; are these okay or would you rather me go with what the tool told me?
  • “un-lock” in Ch 4 due to Tiktok’s way of talking

  • “for-ward” in Ch 10 due to thinking it was for effect (non-hyphenated version of it appears just before and elsewhere). Add non-break hyphen?

  • “scollops” in Ch 16 due to potential dialect

  • “for-ward” in Ch 17 due to thinking it was for effect (non-hyphenated version of it appears just before and elsewhere). Add non-break hyphen?

  • “clew” (instead of "clue") in Ch 18 due to potential dialect


A chapter title is "Dinner Pail" but it is written “dinner-pail” throughout the text. Should I modify to one or the other?

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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Apr 28, 2024, 10:46:16 AM4/28/24
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Oh, cool -- great, thanks Weijia! I tried looking it up, but I guess I didn't have the right git jargon as I only use command line for pushing, rebases, and initial set up.

Lukas Bystricky

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Apr 29, 2024, 12:17:26 AM4/29/24
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You should standardize "dinner pail". Probably removing the hyphen would be preferable, but you can decide based on what fits with the rest of text. 

For everything else you can keep the hyphens if you think they're necessary, but modernize the spellings (as we often do with poetry). Don't worry about non-break hyphens. 

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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May 22, 2024, 10:13:10 PM5/22/24
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I'm back :))

  1. Billina’s signature "cackle"  and literal clucks – would all of these be considered onomatopoeias to italicize? 

  2. Should I be standardizing capitalization after dialogue tag with semicolon (IA 26 vs  28) or is that just wandering into too much editing?

  3. Do I standardize or modernize zactly / ’zactly?

  4. Do I modernize “may be” (as in perhaps) – I modernized “may bes” in a Hardy Boys book but is this just a US v UK thing that I leave alone?

  5. The printer either added an “a” or added a “s” in bellows vs bellow – is there a preferred way to go with this?

  6. Some of Tiktok’s language isn’t standardized in some places. The general rule is to insert a hyphen at each syllable, should I fix all of these?

    1. An-y-one vs an-y one – per modernizing any one to anyone, Tiktok’s goes from an-y one to an-y-one

    2. Can not vs can-not – cannot is presented elsewhere in the work but Tiktok’s is written out as can not in two different places, it just seems as though the printer forgot the hyphen since, treated as one word, it would be “can-not”

    3. Command -> co-mmand? – it looks as though the author forgot to add the hyphens to a multi-syllable word. Leave it as is or change it to fit Tiktok’s broader speech pattern?

  7. “....from a chipmonk to fat babies. – Do I modernize chipmonk and/or close the quotation? I know in some books editors leave off the ending quote if the speaker continues speaking in the next paragraph, but so far the entire book has used a closing quote at the end of a paragraph and a different character speaks next
  8. “....from a chipmonk to fat babies. – Do I modernize chipmonk and close the quotation? I know in some books they leave off the ending quote if the speaker continues speaking in the next paragraph, but so far the entire book has used a closing quote at the end of a paragraph and a different character speaks in the next paragrah

Lukas Bystricky

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May 23, 2024, 2:50:57 PM5/23/24
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Welcome back!

1. You can leave those.
2. Also leave these. It looks like the second one starts a new sentence.
3. That can be standardized. I'd probably make them both 'zactly.
4. Modernize to maybe.
5. I'm not sure I understand. "Bellows" in that case seems to make sense (see definition on MW). 
6. Sure, you can add hyphens where appropriate.
7. Yes, modernize chipmonk, and add a closing quote (in a separate editorial commit), that seems like a printer error.

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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May 23, 2024, 9:06:49 PM5/23/24
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How's this for the cover? it's one of the illustrations in the book. The other covers have landscapes, so if you'd rather me continue in that vein, that's fine.

https://mdl.artvee.com/sftb/909206il.jpg

Alex Cabal

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The style has to be fine art oil painting, which this is not. You don't
have to find a landscape, but something in the fine art oil painting
style (or close enough if one squints) is required.

On 5/23/24 8:06 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> How's this for the cover? it's one of the illustrations in the book. The
> other covers have landscapes, so if you'd rather me continue in that
> vein, that's fine.
>
> https://mdl.artvee.com/sftb/909206il.jpg
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 2:50:57 PM UTC-4 lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Welcome back!
>
> 1. You can leave those.
> 2. Also leave these. It looks like the second one starts a new sentence.
> 3. That can be standardized. I'd probably make them both 'zactly.
> 4. Modernize to maybe.
> 5. I'm not sure I understand. "Bellows" in that case seems to make
> sense (see definition on MW
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bellows>).
> 6. Sure, you can add hyphens where appropriate.
> 7. Yes, modernize chipmonk, and add a closing quote (in a separate
> editorial commit), that seems like a printer error.
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 4:13:10 AM UTC+2 mb.eliz...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> I'm back :))
>
> 1.
>
> Billina’s signature "cackle"
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/24/mode/2up?view=theater>  and literal clucks <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/150/mode/1up?view=theater>– would all of these be considered onomatopoeias to italicize?
>
> 2.
>
> Should I be standardizing capitalization after dialogue tag
> with semicolon (IA 26
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/26/mode/2up?view=theater>vs 28 <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/28/mode/2up?view=theater>) or is that just wandering into too much editing?
>
> 3.
>
> Do I standardize or modernize zactly
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/40/mode/2up?view=theater>/ ’zactly <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/215/mode/1up?view=theater>?
>
> 4.
>
> Do I modernize “may be
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/52/mode/2up?view=theater>” (as in perhaps) – I modernized “may bes” in a Hardy Boys book but is this just a US v UK thing that I leave alone?
>
> 5.
>
> The printer either added an “a” or added a “s” in bellows vs
> bellow
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/59/mode/2up?view=theater>– is there a preferred way to go with this?
>
> 6.
>
> Some of Tiktok’s language isn’t standardized in some places.
> The general rule is to insert a hyphen at each syllable,
> should I fix all of these?
>
> 1.
>
> An-y-one vs an-y one
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/71/mode/1up?view=theater>– per modernizing any one to anyone, Tiktok’s goes from an-y one to an-y-one
>
> 2.
>
> Can not
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/79/mode/1up?view=theater>vs can-not – cannot is presented elsewhere in the work but Tiktok’s is written out as can not in two different places, it just seems as though the printer forgot the hyphen since, treated as one word, it would be “can-not”
>
> 3.
>
> Command -> co-mmand
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/150/mode/1up?view=theater>? – it looks as though the author forgot to add the hyphens to a multi-syllable word. Leave it as is or change it to fit Tiktok’s broader speech pattern?
>
> 7. “....from a chipmonk to fat babies. – Do I modernize
> chipmonk and/or close the quotation
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/120/mode/1up?view=theater>? I know in some books editors leave off the ending quote if the speaker continues speaking in the next paragraph, but so far the entire book has used a closing quote at the end of a paragraph and a different character speaks next
> 8. “....from a chipmonk to fat babies. – Do I modernize
> chipmonk and close the quotation
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/120/mode/1up?view=theater>? I know in some books they leave off the ending quote if the speaker continues speaking in the next paragraph, but so far the entire book has used a closing quote at the end of a paragraph and a different character speaks in the next paragrah
>
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 12:17:26 AM UTC-4
> lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You should standardize "dinner pail". Probably removing the
> hyphen would be preferable, but you can decide based on what
> fits with the rest of text.
>
> For everything else you can keep the hyphens if you think
> they're necessary, but modernize the spellings (as we often
> do with poetry). Don't worry about non-break hyphens.
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 4:33:54 PM UTC+2
> mb.eliz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Good to know; I'll keep that flag in mind for the future
> -- I ended up just going through and manually doing
> them. Since there weren't too many.
>
> I do use a GUI called Pulsar, but I'll take a look at
> Git Fork as well; thanks for the suggestion!
>
> As for the modernize spelling, there are some I didn't
> change; are these okay or would you rather me go with
> what the tool told me?
>
> *
>
> “un-lock” in Ch 4 due to Tiktok’s way of talking
>
> *
>
> “for-ward” in Ch 10 due to thinking it was for
> effect (non-hyphenated version of it appears just
> before and elsewhere). Add non-break hyphen?
>
> *
>
> “scollops” in Ch 16 due to potential dialect
>
> *
>
> “for-ward” in Ch 17 due to thinking it was for
> effect (non-hyphenated version of it appears just
> before and elsewhere). Add non-break hyphen?
>
> *
>
> “clew” (instead of "clue") in Ch 18 due to potential
> dialect
>
>
> A chapter title is "Dinner Pail" but it is written
> “dinner-pail” throughout the text. Should I modify to
> one or the other?
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 2:07:00 AM UTC-4
> lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Not that I'm aware of.
>
> One thing that might help is the --no-hyphens flag.
> You can run modernize-spelling with the --no-hyphens
> flag first to modernize all the spelling, commit
> that and then run modernize-spelling again to do the
> hyphens. Also, if you're not already using a
> graphical interface for git, you should consider
> switching to one (I use Git Fork
> <https://git-fork.com>, but there are others out
> there). It makes the process of viewing and
> staging/unstaging specific changes /much/ easier.
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 3:52:30 AM UTC+2
> mb.eliz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Is there anyway to do the accept/decline changes
> during se modernize? Almost all of Tiktok's
> dialogue is getting its hyphens dropped. :)) If
> the answer is "just write down the correct
> modernizations and do those" I'm prepared for it
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4
> lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I can manage.
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:04:15 PM
> UTC+2 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> No italics then, thanks!
>
> On 4/27/24 12:29 PM, Elizabeth
> Miller-Boldt wrote:
> > Yes, all of his speech is like that;
> I'll keep in the regular hyphens.
> >
> > ToC in Scans
> >
> <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/n11/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/ozmaofoz0000lfra_q0h6/page/n11/mode/2up>>
> > Italics in chapters
> >
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How about this? There is an "uncrossable desert" between the Land of Oz and Ev that Ozma -- Ozma crossing the desert is how we are introduced to her in this book; her crossing is how Dorothy first sees/meets her as well


PD Proof for "Desert motif. From the journey to Egypt" located in The National Museum in Warsaw (just a link with the CC0 mark is fine as it's an "approved museum"... right?)

Lukas Bystricky

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Looks good to me. I've added it to the DB. 

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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se lint is no longer working for me. Output below. It was fine, but then I updated... do I have to install a different version of Python?

----

eybmv@pentaquark l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz % se lint .                  
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/bin/se", line 8, in <module>
    sys.exit(main())
             ^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/se/main.py", line 81, in main
    sys.exit(getattr(module, command_function)(args.plain_output))
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/se/commands/lint.py", line 49, in lint
    messages = se_epub.lint(args.skip_lint_ignore, args.allowed_messages)
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/se/se_epub.py", line 1276, in lint
    return lint(self, skip_lint_ignore, allowed_messages)
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/se/se_epub_lint.py", line 3383, in lint
    messages = messages + _lint_metadata_checks(self)
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/se/se_epub_lint.py", line 899, in _lint_metadata_checks
    matches = regex.findall(r"(?<!’)\b(and and|the the|if if|of of|or or|as as)\b(?![-’])", node.text, flags=regex.IGNORECASE)
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/eybmv/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib/python3.11/site-packages/regex/regex.py", line 338, in findall
    return pat.findall(string, pos, endpos, overlapped, concurrent, timeout)
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: expected string or buffer

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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....  disregard :))

What's the rationale for lint to be saying it should be "Dorothy Tries to Be Brave" and not "Dorothy Tries to be Brave"?

Vince

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Be is a (form of) verb, and verbs are capitalized in titlecase.

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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o7 understood

Ready for review, Emma. Just as a warning, modernize hyphenation and find mismatched dashes will throw a doozy because there's a char-ac-ter whose speech is all bro-ken up by hy-phens if the word has mul-ti-ple syll-a-bles (he's a robot).

Emma Sweeney

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Great work! I filed some issues in your repository.

Emma

Emma Sweeney

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Alex, this one is ready for you.

Emma

Elizabeth Miller-Boldt

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If you want to wait for Ulysses to be finished first to be the 1,000th, I am 100% okay with that :)

Alex Cabal

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Looks very good, I've gone ahead and released it. Thanks!

On 5/29/24 3:13 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> If you want to wait for Ulysses to be finished first to be the 1,000th,
> I am 100% okay with that :)
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 4:00:14 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Alex, this one is ready for you.
>
> Emma
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:21:38 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Great work! I filed some issues in your repository.
>
> Emma
> On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 8:29:10 AM UTC-4
> mb.eliz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> o7 understood
>
> <https://github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz>
> Ready for review, Emma.
> <https://github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz> Just as a
> warning, modernize hyphenation and find mismatched dashes
> will throw a doozy because there's a char-ac-ter whose
> speech is all bro-ken up by hy-phens if the word has
> mul-ti-ple syll-a-bles (he's a robot).
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 12:04:48 AM UTC-4 Vince wrote:
>
> Be is a (form of) verb, and verbs are capitalized in
> titlecase.
>
>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 7:34 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt
>> <mb.eliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ....  disregard :))
>>
>> What's the rationale for lint to be saying it should
>> be "Dorothy Tries to Be Brave" and not "Dorothy Tries
>> to be Brave"?
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How strict are we about standardization across series? I think the particular edition I used of Ozma of Oz (both PG and IA) has "Tiktok" as opposed to "Tik-tok" which is what I think the rest of the Oz books in the corpus have. I could do a PR and insert a hyphen--or I can just leave it alone if it's too much of a nitpick and along the vein of why we don't try to standardize "dining-room/dining room" across books

Alex Cabal

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Yes I think we should standardize that. First we need to determine which
is the predominant variant across the whole series. Can you do that
first? Then we can update our editions to match.

On 8/14/26 10:15 AM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> How strict are we about standardization across series? I think the
> particular edition I used of Ozma of Oz (both PG and IA) has "Tiktok" as
> opposed to "Tik-tok" which is what I think the rest of the Oz books in
> the corpus have. I could do a PR and insert a hyphen--or I can just
> leave it alone if it's too much of a nitpick and along the vein of why
> we don't try to standardize "dining-room/dining room" across books
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 12:23:36 AM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Looks very good, I've gone ahead and released it. Thanks!
>
> On 5/29/24 3:13 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> > If you want to wait for Ulysses to be finished first to be the
> 1,000th,
> > I am 100% okay with that :)
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 4:00:14 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
> >
> > Alex, this one is ready for you.
> >
> > Emma
> > On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:21:38 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
> >
> > Great work! I filed some issues in your repository.
> >
> > Emma
> > On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 8:29:10 AM UTC-4
> > mb.eliz...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > o7 understood
> >
> > <https://github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz <https://
> github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz>>
> > Ready for review, Emma.
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Ozma of Oz seems to be an outlier--it looks like the majority of the books spell his name as "Tik-tok." Additionally, having the hyphen seems to make the most sense since Tik-tok says, "My for-mer mas-ter gave me that name be-cause my clock-work al-ways ticks when it is wound up." So having a hyphen would kind of "pause" and put some space in the name like a ticking clock / how Tik-tok himself talks. After Baum's initial 13, the new authoress seems to drop the hyphen and just writes his name as "Tik Tok" (just as something to keep in mind).

From there, the books seem evenly split on having him as "Tik-Tok" with both Ts capitalized (the mostt prominent one being Tik-Tok of Oz and always having both Ts capitalized) and "Tick-tok" with just the first one--unsure if titlecase / naming conventions would just make this a clean decision or not.

Alex Cabal

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OK. Let's go with hyphen and capitalize both words, Tik-Tok. Can you
make PRs for our existing books?

On 8/14/26 4:40 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt wrote:
> /Ozma of Oz/ seems to be an outlier--it looks like the majority of the
> books spell his name as "Tik-tok." Additionally, having the hyphen seems
> to make the most sense since Tik-tok says, "My for-mer mas-ter gave me
> that name be-cause my clock-work al-ways ticks when it is wound up." So
> having a hyphen would kind of "pause" and put some space in the name
> like a ticking clock / how Tik-tok himself talks. After Baum's initial
> 13, the new authoress seems to drop the hyphen and just writes his name
> as "Tik Tok" (just as something to keep in mind).
>
> From there, the books seem evenly split on having him as "Tik-Tok" with
> both Ts capitalized (the mostt prominent one being /Tik-Tok of Oz/ and
> github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz> <https://
> > github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz <http://github.com/
> eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz>>>
> > > Ready for review, Emma.
> > > <https://github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz <https://
> github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz> <https://
> > github.com/eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz <http://github.com/
> eybmv/l-frank-baum_ozma-of-oz>>> Just as a
> > > warning, modernize hyphenation and find mismatched dashes
> > > will throw a doozy because there's a char-ac-ter whose
> > > speech is all bro-ken up by hy-phens if the word has
> > > mul-ti-ple syll-a-bles (he's a robot).
> > >
> > > On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 12:04:48 AM UTC-4 Vince wrote:
> > >
> > > Be is a (form of) verb, and verbs are capitalized in
> > > titlecase.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On May 24, 2024, at 7:34 PM, Elizabeth Miller-Boldt
> > >> <mb.eliz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ....  disregard :))
> > >>
> > >> What's the rationale for lint to be saying it should
> > >> be "Dorothy Tries to Be Brave" and not "Dorothy Tries
> > >> to be Brave"?
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o7 
I can get them this weekend, most likely
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