As Emma said, this is excellent research. Well done.
As Emma said, Robert Frost's collected poetry will be a very difficult
ebook to produce. We ask that first time producers work on something
basic for their first production. This is to familiarize you with our
process before you move on to something more advanced, and is less of a
burden on the manager and reviewer of your project as you learn the process.
For now I'm going to add your spreadsheet to our collected spreadsheets
page in case you don't end up working on this, because this very good
research will be useful. But if you do complete a basic ebook with us
first and move on to this one, we can continue discussion in depth then.
I will say though that to be considered "published" in US copyright law,
it must have been made available to the public. So a private publication
Twilight does not count. I would also exclude anonymous juvenilia.
Juvenilia in general is IMHO already of questionable value, and the fact
that it's anonymous makes it even less so - more suitable as a curiosity
in an appendix than standing side-by-side with mature poems.
On 4/20/25 2:02 PM, Sasha wrote:
> Hello, I'd like to produce an omnibus collection of Frost's poetry
> that's currently available in the public domain. This continues the
> discussion started here <
https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/
> vGGnpowP0GI/m/xgT6cw0WAAAJ>.
>
> This omnibus would mainly contain Frost's first 5 poetry collections
> published before 1930:
> - /A Boy's Will/ (1913) (scans <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/
> Record/000433785>) (PG <
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/3021>)
> - /North of Boston/ (1914) (scans <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/
> Record/000433793>) (PG <
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/3026>) (SE
> <
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/robert-frost/north-of-boston>)
> - /Mountain Interval/ (1916) (scans <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/
> Record/001028566>) (PG <
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/29345>)
> - /New Hampshire/ (1923) (scans <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/
> Record/000433611>) (PG <
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/58611>) (SE
> <
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/robert-frost/new-hampshire>)
> - /West Running Brook/ (1928) (scans <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/
> Record/000431902>) (FP <
https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?
> pid=20141056>)
>
> Note that this doesn't include compilations of poems that were
> previously published in other collections (e.g. Selected Poems from
> 1923). Of these, New Hampshire and North of Boston are already available
> in SE, but not sure if I'm allowed to use them directly for this
> omnibus, or if I should remake those parts from scratch.
>
> Frost also had a decent number of uncollected and unpublished poetry at
> the time of his death. Poems published after his death (1963) but before
> 1978 have the 95-year copyright protection, so they can't be used until
> at least 2059. Anything published after 1978 but before 2002 will enter
> the public domain in 2048. And everything else after 2002, published or
> unpublished, will enter the public domain on 2033 (70 years after his
> death). So for this collection, we're only interested in published but
> uncollected poems from before 1930, at least for now.
>
> I prepared an excel sheet (here <
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/1KCml33TpVzDRd9Y3UrYdwefI61VNDKeqgRvC3Pug13E/edit?usp=sharing>)
> containing all of Frost's uncollected and unpublished poetry, based on
> the information in the book /Robert Frost Among His Poems/ (abbreviated
> to AHS from here) (link <
https://archive.org/details/
> robertfrostamong0000cram>). Included in this document are links to page
> - "The Later Minstrel" (Amherst College Library) (link <https://
>
drive.google.com/file/d/1ayiO48oZqt28VXvcWJOK0qxK2xEGhk0F/view?usp=sharing>)
> - "Good Relief" (UCLA)
> - "Slipshod Rhymes" / "A Kitchen in School" (Unknown)
>
> We would need to figure out how to cite these sources in the release.
> Should we upload the scans somewhere to be viewed if possible, or just
> link to a library record directly? Specifically, the Jones Library has
> requested citation to help researchers find the source of the poems if
> necessary.
>
> For the omnibus's formatting, I suggest maintaining each poem within
> their respective collection, and making each collection a section of the
> omnibus. This is what most modern Frost compilations do, following the
> standard set by /Collected Poems/ in 1930. Any uncollected poem can then
> be put in a separate section title "Uncollected and Unpublished" in
> their publication order.
>
> I should also mention that there are a handful of poems which were
> published in magazines and books before 1930, but collected afterwards.
> The ones I've found are based on a very early Frost bibliography (source
> <
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001028579>) (excel here <https://
>
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FTz-Cm-wcQXFXV-
> aM6t6HzscMOuHCwcwtDfxMdZscl4/edit?usp=sharing>), so it is likely not
> exhaustive (and wrong in a couple of places). You could also go through
> every poem listed in AHS and prepare a more complete list, but I don't
> think it's worth the effort. I would recommend only including these
> poems once their entire collection enters the public domain, to not have
> to move around poems from the uncollected section once that happens.
> There are four exceptions I'd treat differently, however:
>
> - "Locked Out (As Told to a Child)" (1917) (link <https://
>
www.biblio.com/book/locked-out-forge-number-two-frost/d/527685060>,
> likely unusable)
> - May be available at the Barrett Library, published as part of "The
> Bouquet"
> - "The Same Leaves" (1926) (link <
https://hdl.handle.net/2027/
> mdp.39015069757287?urlappend=%3Bseq=374%3Bownerid=13510798900888071-336>)
> - "The Walker" (1928) (link <
https://archive.org/details/
> secondamericanca029966mbp/page/70/mode/2up>, later renamed "The Egg and
> the Machine")
> - "The Lovely Shall be Choosers" (1929) (link <https://
>
hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b4110177?
> urlappend=%3Bseq=60%3Bownerid=9007199271773507-64>)
>
> These were added to various sections of /Collected Poems/ (1930) and
> maintained for all later editions of the book. Since this book's
> sections are modeled after Frost's collections up to that point, some
> consider these as edits to the original collections. But I suggest
> keeping the original publication of the collections intact and putting
> these additional poems directly in "Uncollected". Additionally, "The
> Last Word of Bluebird" and "What Fifty Said" made their debut in this
> collection (and were unpublished before this). Three poems were also
> removed from the A Boy's Will section: "Asking for Roses", "In Equal
> Sacrifice", and "Spoils of the Dead", which AHS considers uncollected
> since it is based on the modern /Collected Poems/ collection.
>
> Sasha
>
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