how to enable more than 2 inputs

[Gerry Canning]

I am using a Behringer X-18 mixer with two microphones and 3 or 4 instruments. My setup worked great in Jamkazam because it recognized multiple inputs, but in Sonobus I am limited to two inputs. How do I work around this to access maybe 4 or 6 inputs in Sonobus?

Thanks for the help.

Gerry Canning

[Jesse Chappell]

It’s on the list for the next update to add support for multiple >2 inputs. In the meantime if you use the plugin version of SonoBus with a DAW in the role of live mixer you can mix all the inputs you want into the stereo input of the plugin. 

There are some tutorials on the YouTube channel for examples: 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1UmINxeCuysi-6Iyo8woqw/featured

Thanks for the feedback!

Jesse

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[Bill-NC]

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You are probably already aware of this, but you can accomplish the same result without introducing the delay of a DAW by routing your Main L/R mix to the X18's USB sends (e.g., 17/18) and then assigning these PC/MAC inputs to Sonobus' input.

See https://youtu.be/9p7S6JBpJrI at around 2:40.

Of course, your Sonobus band mates will only get a stereo mix of your group (until the multi-channel feature is enabled and you can send all channels from the X18).

I assume you are already routing Sonobus' output back to the X18 for your monitor mix.

@Jesse, do you know how many independent channels you plan to bake into the future release?  As a drummer, I send 11 channels to my mixer (close mics, overheads, and VOX).  

Bill

[db]

The question is which way yields the lowest latency.  Do you know the latency of your xair unit?  Generally speaking mixers with usb outputs are pretty slow.  You can check it by using this app - https://oblique-audio.com/rtl-utility.php

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[Bill-NC]

My point was, the X18 is in the signal path regardless of whether he routes through the DAW or not.  If he's applying processing (compression, EQ, FX) to his main mix in the X18, he can tap the Mains pre-EQ -- effectively using the X18 as an interface to minimize the delay.  I seem to recall my X32 reporting around 12mS round trip with jack-iodelay post Fader with FX, EQ, ..).  Not great but not terrible.  Routing through the DAW must add some latency to the path -- if he's not recording, I don't see an advantage re: latency with the current 2-ch input limit of Sonobus.  Honestly, i don't see the advantage in routing through a DAW after Sonobus goes MC (again, unless you are recording).  

Bill

[db]

In my case I do not use the usb of my mixer but instead run the analog outs into a dedicated interface (saving about 10ms).  And for me running through a DAW offers no advantages because of the latency costs.  My choice is to trade timing for tone but others may see differently. I record individual tracks using Sonobus and then just export them to a DAW for later use.

On Feb 3, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Bill-NC <a4g...@gmail.com> wrote:

My point was, the X18 is in the signal path regardless of whether he routes through the DAW or not.  If he's applying processing (compression, EQ, FX) to his main mix in the X18, he can tap the Mains pre-EQ -- effectively using the X18 as an interface to minimize the delay.  I seem to recall my X32 reporting around 12mS round trip with jack-iodelay post Fader with FX, EQ, ..).  Not great but not terrible.  Routing through the DAW must add some latency to the path -- if he's not recording, I don't see an advantage re: latency with the current 2-ch input limit of Sonobus.  Honestly, i don't see the advantage in routing through a DAW after Sonobus goes MC (again, unless you are recording).  

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[Anon -]

I get it.  I just assumed in my posting that Gerry wouldn't want to buy “another” dedicated interface when he can use the X18’s mains.  The purpose of my post was to do exactly as you say — avoid routing through the DAW because of the unnecessary latency that would add.  FWIW, 10mS of latency in my setup isn’t a problem for me … i regularly get 30-40mS round trip with servers in the Northeast on Jamulus and can stay in sync just fine (well, I hope the people I play with think so anyway).  With Sonobus, it depends on who’s in the “room” with me.  

Bill

[Jesse Chappell]

Don't assume a DAW used in live-mixer capacity is going to add
"unnecessary latency". Assuming you have configured the audio settings
the same as you would the standalone SonoBus, and you inserted the
plugin on a bus, it should result in the same performance as you would
get with the standalone version, at least it *should* in most
circumstances. I feel like there is a lot of DAW hate going around
here, probably unjustifiably! Of course if you have quantified testing
results showing otherwise, I would love to see it!

Jesse

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[db]

I don’t think the DAW itself will add any more than an insignificant amount of latency. I’m guessing most DAW users are doing so to add additional plugins which pretty much always add latency. For some users a little more latency isn’t a problem but for others it is. So my point was just to offer visability. I’m pretty sure everyone knows how much salt to put on their own baked potato without my help 😁

> On Feb 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Jesse Chappell <je...@sonosaurus.com> wrote:
>
> Don't assume a DAW used in live-mixer capacity is going to add

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[Bill-NC]

@Jesse ... forgot about using Sonobus as a VST in the DAW.  I was channeling my Jamulus experience there.  Mea Culpa!

But ... if Gerry's gong through his X18 anyway, might as well send the X18's mains "directly" into Sonobus is all I was originally saying.  It's a relatively simple routing change in the mixer.

Bill