Continued Brideoak ascent for Princess Diana
wjhonson
whom Leo does not show in his ancestry for Anne Woodford here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00089004&tree=LEO
This new ancestor will dazzle and amaze you.
You will fall to the ground gasping for air.
Stay tuned.
Will Johnson
jhigg...@yahoo.com
Before you dazzle us with your brilliant discovery you might want to
look into the extension of the Brideoak ancestry in Richard K Evans'
2007 book "The Ancestry of Diana, Princess of Wales". Hint: it leads
in a couple of generations to a Saltonstall connection, which in turns
leads to a number of interesting families - and royal connections.
Evans provides source for his work - as I'm sure you will too. :-)
wjhonson
to what someone else may have already published elsewhere.
Since my sources are all published ones, I'm sure someone, somewhere,
has made this connection already. But Leo hasn't.
1 Anne Woodford was born in Southampton 4 Jan 1738/9, the second
daughter of Matthew Woodford of Southampton; esq by his wife Mary
Brideoak.
2 Matthew Woodford of Southampton; esq was the only son of his parents
Matthew Woodford, subdean and prebendary of Chichester and his wife
Anne Scherer. Matthew was baptised 20 Dec 1706 at All Saints',
Chichester (Batch C040881 wj)
3 Mary Brideoak, was the daughter of John Brideoak by Miss Somebody;
and she was also the co-heiress of her uncle Ralph Brideoake. By
Matthew, Mary had at least three children: Ralph Woodford of Carlby,
co Linc Knt and 1st Bnt (cr 1791); Matthew; and Anne already mentioned
(see 1 above)
4 Matthew Woodford, subdean and prebendary of Chichester was the son
of Matthew Woodford of New Sarum. Matthew was a minor in 1684.
5 Anne Scherer was the daughter of John Scherer of Chichester; esq.
Anne and Matthew Woodford married 7 Nov 1704 Saint Peter The Great Or
Subdeanery Of Chichester, Chichester, Sussex, England (Batch M040461
wj). In addition to Matthew already named (see 2), they had a
daughter Anne baptised on 10 Jun 1711.
6 John Brideoak was the son of Ralph Brideoak, Bishop of Chichester
(cr. 1675) and his wife Mary Saltonstall. John was born at Isleworth,
co Berk and matric Trinity College 1681 "age 15"
12 Ralph Brideoak, Speaker in the House; Bishop of /Chichester/ 1675-8
was baptised 31 Jan 1613/1614 Manchester Cathedral, Manchester,
Lancashire, England (Batch P005461 wj). He died 5 Oct 1678 "in his
64th year"; effigy at Bray's Chapel and-or St George's, Windsor. He
was the son of Richard /Brideoak/ of Cheetham Hill, Manchester, co
Lanc by his wife Cicely /Booth/ daughter of John Booth of Lanc.
13 Mary Saltonstall was the daughter of Richard /Saltonstall/ of
Ockenden, co Essex; Knt by his wife Miss Somebody. In addition to
John Brideoak, this couple left two other sons at Ralph's death, names
unknown to me.
24 Although there are numerous children born to "Richard Brideoak"
baptised in Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
(Batch P005461 wj); the mother is not named on any entry. It is not
possible to separate the families, as out of eighteen baptisms to a
father Richard, a half-dozen or more of them overlap.
25 I don't find this marriage of Richard Saltonstall to Cecily
"Booth", unless she was already a widow.
26 Richard Saltonstall of Ockenden, co Essex; Knt has a Will dated 16
Feb 1649, proved (PCC Prob 11/211) 6 Mar 1649/50; Admon 5 Mar 1661-2
to son Richard and daughter Mary Brideoake.
There is no Richard Saltonstall in Leo's database who easily agrees
with this information, so I'm not sure where he is supposed to go in
the Saltonstall family.
Will Johnson
jhigg...@yahoo.com
Bishop Ralph Brideoak was said in the old edition of DNB to be son of
Richard Brideoak by Cicely Booth - a maternity is reflected in many
secondary sources available on the web. But the new ODNB says the
bishop's mother was instead Cicely Boardman. It's possible that there
was confusion about which member of the Brideoak family married a
Booth.
I don't understand your reference to Bishop Brideoak as "Speaker in
the House" - as a cleric he certainly was not Speaker OF the House [of
Commons].
Bishop Brideoak's wife Mary Saltonstall was the daughter of Sir
Richard Saltonstall of South Ockenden, Essex, and his 2nd wife Mary
Parker. Both of Mary Saltonstall's parents can be shown to have
descents from Edward I. Sir Richard was son of another Sir Richard
and his wife Jane, dau. of Francis Bernard of Abington, while Mary
Soame was dau. of Sir Calthorpe Parker,k MP, and his wife Mercy, dau.
of Sir Stephen Soame, Lord Mayor of London.
It's always easy to find additions or corrections to Leo's database,
because Leo himself will tell you that his database is far from
comprehensive. And of course Leo only adds information when it's
properly sourced. I happen to to know that Leo has a copy of the
Evans book cited earlier, but he probably just hasn't had time to add
the data in that source to his files. He IS a busy man, you know! :-)
wjhonson
> bishop's mother was instead Cicely Boardman. It's possible that there
> was confusion about which member of the Brideoak family married a
> Booth.
>
> I don't understand your reference to Bishop Brideoak as "Speaker in
> the House" - as a cleric he certainly was not Speaker OF the House [of
> Commons].
>
You're right I did see this marriage to Cicely Boardman, that was in
relation to my oblique comment that I didn't find the Booth marriage
"unless she was a widow". I was hedging my bets. But since you say
the ODNB has her as a Boardman, I'll go back and extract that
marriage.
You're right number 2. I misread this
http://books.google.com/books?id=UeQtAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA179
to say that HE was the Speaker, now that I read it again, I see that
they are saying only that he was chaplain TO the speaker... or at
least that is perhaps what they are saying. The written English
language can be ambiguous and the strategic use of commas in this
source here is misleading.
Will
wjhonson
Deja Vu !
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/f4f26b4d50ef4e58
Evidently one of the pieces of data destroyed by my hard drive crash
How's that for oddity?
Will