Adelaide de Provence, Cts de Forcalquier (1040-1129)
Greg Vaut
de Forcalquier (1040-1129), who m. 1079 as his second wife Armengol IV
"el de Gerp", Cde de Urgel (1056-1092)?
Leo van de Pas (at
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174674&tree=LEO)
shows Adelaide as the dau. of Guillaume VI Bertrand, Comte de Provence
(d. bef 1067) and Adelaide de Cavenez.
Leo generaly cites "Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag
Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II 187" for Guillaume
VI and "Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev
Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 132" for Adelaide. I don't have
access to ES to confirm this.
Miroslav Marek (at http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/boson.html) shows
Adelaide as the dau. of Guillaume IV de Provence and Adelaide de
Righino. He cites no sources.
I thought at first that these two sets of parents were identical (except
for the numeration of the fathers and the toponomic/surname of the
mothers), but Leo and Miroslav differ on Adelaide's paternal grandparents.
Leo shows her paternal grandparents (the parents of Guillaume VI
Bertrand) to have been Geoffroy, Comte d'Arles, and Stephanie "Dulcia"
de Marseille.
Miroslav shows her paternal grandparents (the parents of Guillaume IV de
Provence) to have been Foulques-Bertrand (brother of Geoffroy, Comte
d'Arles, q.v.) and NN de Toulouse.
Any help appreciated!
Best regards,
Greg Vaut
Todd A. Farmerie
Adelaise was daughter of William Bertrand and Adelaide (for whom
there are numerous guesses as to her ancestry, but I have not
seen good support for any of them, that I recall).
William Bertand was son of Fulk Bertrand and a wife whose
identity is unknown.
Geoffrey's eventual heiress was Dulce, wife of Ramon Berenger III
of Barcelona.
taf
Peter Stewart
Adelaide, countess of Foucalquier was the third wife of Armengol IV,
count of Urgel. Her father was Guillaume VI Bertrand, count of Provence
(died after May 1065) and her mother (died after 12 October 1113) was
also called Adelaide - her parentage is unknown. It has been sepeculated
that she was a daughter of Arduin, count of Ivrea but NB this is
certainly not proven. (The surnames given by both Leo and Miroslav are
not based on definite information about her origins.)
Guillaume VI Bertrand was the only son of Fulco Bertrand, count of
Provence (died ca 27 April 1051) by his wife of unknown name & origin.
It has been speculated that she was named either Hildegarde or
Ermengarde and was a daughter of Guillaume III Taillefer, count of
Toulouse & Emma of Provence. But NB this too is not based on direct,
contemporary evidence.
The standard account of this comital family is Jean-Pierre Poly's _La
Provence et la société féodale (879—1166): Contribution à l’étude des
structures dites féodales dans le Midi_ (Paris, 1976).
Peter Stewart
Thierry Stasser
Adelaide or Azalais second wife of Ermengol IV count of Urgell, was the only
daughter of Guillaume Bertrand, count of Provence, by his wife Adelaide
(charter of jan. 1101: ego Adalais comitissa Fulcalcheriensis et mater mea
Adalais et filius meus Willelmus marchio... Gallia Christiana novissima vol
1, col 449, n° 12), of unknown origin, and mar 2nd to Bertrand Raimbaud of
Orange (charter of oct 1113: ego Adalaiz comitissa...mansiones quas cum
Bertrando Raibaldo marito meo... DUHAMEL, fragments d'anciens cartulaires
d'Orange, n° 3, p 386-387).
She married bef 13 feb 1081 Ermengol IV of Urgell (Ego Ermengaudus gratia
Dei comes urgellitanus sive Provincialis una cum mea conjuge Adalezis nutu
dei comitissa...signum Adalezis nutu Dei comitissa urgellitana et
provincialis... DIAGO, Historia, f° 136-v° 137). She lived until 1144 (N
DIDIER, les eglises de Sisteron et de Forcalquier du XIe siècle à la
révolution, Paris, 1954, n° 3, p 65)
Guillaume Bertrand was the son of Bertrand, count of provence. Bertrand was
the second son of Count Guillaume III and Gerberga of Burgundy.
he married a lady named Ermengarde (POLY, La Provence, p 34), called
Eldegarde in a Montmajour charter dated 1040(Montmajour, p 136-137: ego
Bertrannus comes...Eldejarda Eveza uxor eius firmavit...) who survived
untill 1077 (S Victor, n° 88...Ermengarda comitissa firmavit...).Her origins
are also unknown. They had 2 sons, Guillaume VI and Geoffroy II,counts of
Provence (S Victor, n° 659: ego Willelmus et ego Gauzfredus comites sive
marchiones Provinciae filii praefati Bertranni...).
See G de MANTEYER, La Provence du premier au XII e siècle, pp 294-300 and
311-321; J P POLY, La Provence, p 254, 271, 318-319 et 356; M AURELL, Jalons
pour une enquête sur les stratégies matrimoniales des comtes catalans, p
354-355;
I hope this helps
Thierry
Greg Vaut
Could you clarify a point for me in your first paragraph?
Who "mar 2nd to Bertrand Raimbaud"? Was this woman who married Bertrand
Raimbaud Adelaide/Azalais (wife of Ermengol) or her mother Adelaide
(wife of Guillaume Bertrand)?
Best regards,
Greg