Jim,
I also have an interest in the Beaumonts of Crossland (a Wentworth
ancestor), and therefore have close familiarity with the Edward Beaumont
book ('EB'). Please be aware that EB lacks the quality of documentation this
newsgroup expects, and a great many entries demand independent verification.
It is very unreliable in the early generations, one problem being - as
here - it confuses different family lines.
When John Watson posted information about a year ago regarding the identity
of Lucy Pigot (dau of Alice de Bellomonte, gr-dau of William de Bellomonte),
I got involved in the exchange along with Will. Afterwards I did more work
intending to share it, but other things came along. Your post sparked a
renewed interest in at least posting a summary of the later research before
going on holiday, since the myth of a Crossland Drayton connection must be
destroyed. I apologize that some underlying citations are in the unposted
unfinished draft but I don't want to spend the time to clean it up before
getting on the airplane. Being away, I also can't respond to many questions
the next 2 weeks. In the meantime, hopefully John Watson, Will and others
will have fun criticizing its errors and providing corrections.
For starters, there are 2 separate Beaumont lines involved, and each of them
started out as a Bellomonte but for different reasons. EB's work focused on
the Yorkshire Bellomonte/ Beaumont line, but as with Beaumont of Drayton it
mixed in other family lines, and as here mangled the identities of marriage
partners and children. There is not only NO evidence beyond a shared last
name to link William of Drayton with the Yorkshire Beaumonts, but
substantial evidence to disprove it. The likely origin of the Bellomonte/
Beaumonts of Crossland - perhaps earlier known as de Bretton - is better
traced in ML Faull and SA Morehouse; West Yorkshire Archaeological Survey to
1500; Vol 2: Administrative and Tenurial Framework [1981]. It is an
invaluable source for West Yorkshire property transactions between Domesday
and 1500, and cites many more sources than Dodsworth's Yorkshire Deeds
(which it also cites). It is too recent to be online. I had also worked on a
separate writeup on the origins and early generations of that line, and may
try to post it when I get back if there is time.
John Watson's excellent posts last year primarily addressed the
Bellomonte/Beaumont family of Fulking, Sussex - who were also of Gedney,
Lincolnshire.[1] Based primarily on records suggesting that William II's
heirs were his 3 daus by Alicia d'Oyri, and lacking further evidence, the
view at that time was that William of Fulking, Essex was "not the same
person as William de Beaumont of Drayton as alleged by Blomfield." [2] As
noted further below, there is now additional evidence that I believe
establishes that William of Drayton should be conflated with William of
Fulking and Gedney. It also resolves a puzzle first raised by Rosie Bevan in
2002 or 2003.
The still valid pedigree for Bellomonte/Beaumont of Fulking and Gedney
presented by Watson was essentially the following, to which some dates are
added (some perhaps from subsequently found sources) :
Gen 1. William I de Bellomonte of East Barsham, d. abt 1208, m (1) abt
1184, Joan de Barsham d. bef 1199; m (2) bef 1200 Muriel Langetot. William I
had 1 son, William II whose mother was likely Joan, but there was no issue
by Muriel.
Gen 2. William II de Bellomonte b. say 1185, d. bef 1245, m (1) say 1205
as her 2nd husband, Alicia de Oyri of Gedney Lincolnshire, d. bef 1245.
Alicia was dau of Fulk d'Oyri and wife Maud le Strange co-heir of her father
Sir Ralph; Alicia and sisters Ela (m. Robert Constable of Halsham) and
Ermecina (m. Ralph of Goxhill) were co-heirs of their brother Walter.
Alicia's 1st husband was John Belet dsp abt 1204. William II and Alicia de
Oyri had 3 daus, Joan, Alice and Ela [birth order unknown].
Gen 3.1. Joan de Bellomonte b. say 1208 m. Reyner De Burgh of Congeham
Norfolkshire. They had a son, Nicholas, who dsp bef 2 Jul 1297
Gen 3.2. Alice de Bellomonte b. say 1210 m. Warin FitzHugh. They had a
dau Lucy who m. John Picot of Doddington Cambridgeshire.
Gen 3.3. Ela de Beaumont b. say 1212 m. Hervey de Stanhou.
As you note, this family line was reviewed a number of other times on SGM.
Posts by Rosie Bevan in 2002/03 discussed some of the Drayton family, at
times identified as of Witnesham, Suffolk (a location noted below as better
associated with John Spring). A key document noted and discussed by her was
the 1315 IPM for 'Alice de Beaumont',[3] whose two daughters and heirs m.
John de Dagworth [noted in old MCA p. 256 sub Dagworth] and John de Belhous
[ancestor of Margaret Castelayn in old MCA p.476 sub Knyvet]. Douglas
Richardson and others have a number of SGM posts regarding Dagworth and
Belhouse. Alice de Beaumont could not be definitively linked in 2003 to this
or a different Beaumont line because of the then unexplainable absence of
her husband's son Richard in her 1315 IPM - Bishop Walter Langford instead
held Drayton at that time. There were also 2006 posts by Douglas Richardson
about 'Hubert de Burgh's brother, Sir Thomas de Burgh' who m. Nesta de
Cokefield dau of Adam de Cokefield. The Cokefields are a close Drayton
relation, since Adam de Cokefield's sister Gunnora m. William de Drayton
whose 2 daus were his co-heirs.
Documentation has now been found that suggests some additions to the above
pedigree. The clearest link between the Fulking/Gedney and Drayton lines is
found in a 1297 record that states that John (younger son of William II of
Drayton) was "kinsman and heir" to a 1/3 share of rents held by Reyner de
Burgh's son Nicholas (mentioned in 3.1 above) including Grymeston.[3] There
was also a 1306/07 fine involving Grimeston between John's son Richard, and
Bishop Walter de Langston.[4] This would seem best interpreted as indicating
that the 3 daus of William of Fulking were heirs of their mother, but not of
their father. Curiously, the memorial monument you note also suggests that
the Fulking/Gedney and Drayton Williams should be conflated, if one assumes
the mother of William II of Drayton was Joan (de Barsham).
The suggested pedigree additions are :
Gen 2. William II m. (2), Alicia de Drayton, co-heir of her father William
and his wife Gunnora de Cokefield (the other co-heir was Agnes, who had
Scarning by a 1229/30 fine with 'William Lanveisey' her huband). Alicia was
the widow of Gervase de Bradfield, lord of Drayton in 1229/30, who must have
dsp soon thereafter. William II and Alicia had 2 sons, Godfrey and John.
Gen 3.1. Godfrey de Bellomonte of Drayton, heir of his father, adult by
1272/73, d. abt Sep 1293, m.(1) Cecilia de Ferrers, who dsp bef 28 Jul 1290;
m.(2) Eleanor NN, who dsp aft 8 May 1294. His heir was his younger brother,
John.
Gen 3.2. John de Bellomonte of Drayton, d. bef 24 Sep 1298, m.(1) NN, who
likely d. bef 1290; m.(2) aft 13 Jun 1290 Alice Hardel of Rayleigh Essex,
who d. aft 4 Feb 1314/15 and bef 10 Mar 1314/15. Alice Hardel was the widow
of William Fitz Warin valet to Edw I, who d. bef 19 Nov 1285,[6] by whom she
had at least 1 dau, Alice, m. to John de Dagworth. Alice m.(3) by license
dated 21 Aug 1301, John Spring of Witnesham, by whom she had no issue. One
of Alice's properties in the 1315 IPM was Rayleigh, first granted her father
by de Burgh, in 1303 was held by John Spring and his wife Alicia de Bello
Monte, and also by William de Haverge who had m. Alice's sister Alina/Helen,
they being the co-heirs of John Hardel.[7] John had 1 son, Richard, by his
first wife, and 1 dau, Isolda, by his second wife Alice.
Gen 4.1. Richard de Bellomonte, heir of his father by an unknown wife, Lord
of Drayton in 1304 so b. bef 1283, named as Rector of Drayton in 1307 by
Bishop Walter Langton, likely dsp bef 1311 when he was replaced as rector of
Drayton. He is named in a 1306/07 fine with Bishop Walter Langton for the
manor of Grimmeston.[5] He was the last male Bellomonte of Drayton, and
because he likely dsp in 1311 his name would not appear in his mother's 1315
IPM. Since none of the properties in the 1315 IPM were his father's, and
Alice Hardel was not his mother, it was also unlikely he would have been
named an heir. It is possible that Grimmeston and Drayton went to Bishop
Langton when Richard became rector of Drayton, since Langton is shown as his
nominee. There are 2 1315 Close Rolls entries noting a settlement between
Alice and Bishop Langton over Drayton and Cristeshale (the latter in her
IPM), perhaps the issue was over her dower share.
Gen 4.2. Alice Fitz Warin, co-heir of her mother, b. 1285 (age 30 in 1315),
d. 15 May 1333; m. aft 4 Jul 1292 by grant of the king, Sir John de Dagworth
of Dagworth, Sussex, b. 25 Apr 1276, d. 27 Jul 1332. They have colonial
descendants noted in old MCA.
Gen 4.3. Isolda de Bellomonte, co-heir of her mother, b. 1291 (age 24 in
1315 per the IPM - if Fitz Warin d. by 1285, she had to be the dau of
Alice's 2nd husband if her age in the IPM is correct, or her and eldest
sister Alice were at least 6 years older than shown), d. abt 1353, m. abt
1314 John de Bellhouse of Stanway, Essex. They have colonial descendants
noted in MCA.
Your specific question was 'who was Joan wife of William de Beaumont of
Drayton'. From the EB description, there is no way to verify the date the
monument was created or if the description is accurate. But as there were no
Bellomontes or Beaumonts at Drayton after 1315, it would likely have to date
from that time or before, so to me it sounds like it might be near
contemporary. It is possible and plausible that William II commissioned it
in memory of his father and mother, Joan de Barsham (though Joan herself did
not survive long enough to be 'of Drayton'). No other Bellomonte/Beaumonts
of the Drayton line had a wife named Joan. One of Watson's posts indicated
some question whether William II was the son of Joan de Barsham, or 2nd wife
Muriel Langetot - the monument likely resolves that issue in favor of
Joan.[8]
Alice Hardel's name recalls that of William Hardel, mayor of London in 1215
and the 'lost' MCS whose descendants have not been traced. Douglas
Richardson opined in a 2003 post that MCS Hardel 'might well be ancestral to
Alice', but also noted there was no proof.[3] I had started some research
last summer into the Hardels of London and believe Richardson's conjecture
to be true, but agree it likely cannot be proven. If one adopts a
'preponderance of the evidence' standard, a reasonable case can likely be
made for the relationship. The research indicated her father was certainly
John Hardel [cannot confirm it was 'Sir'], who was granted Rayleigh by John
de Burgh - de Burgh's wife was the dau of MCS William Lanvalay, and his
father was the son of King John's MC advisor Hubert de Burgh, so this Hardel
line was well acquainted with the baronies. The de Burgh grant suggests
Hardel's wife may even have been a dau of de Burgh and his Lanvalay wife.
The de Burghs also granted land to an ancestor of Gen 4.3 John de Bellhouse
[old MCA p. 497 sub Lanvalay], suggesting a longer Hardel and Bellhouse
family association. I had started to write up some of the Hardel ancestry in
early summer, but going to the Newberry to check some souces, library
security denied access to the genealogy floor - it was inaccessible the
entire last half of 2011 for "stack compacting"!!! It stopped most of my
research and I've moved on to other (non genealogy) projects that just keep
growing. Haven't visited Newberry since.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
Copyright 2012.
Footnotes
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[1] 55 Coram Rege Roll. Mich., 26 H. III [1241/42]. Gedeneye. 401. Egid de
Gousel versus William de Bellomonte and Alicia his wife-11 acres of land
etc. in Gedeneye as his share of the inheritance of Galfr' de Ory his uncle
and brother of the said Alicia in Gedney. [Note. Fulk de Oyri had 3 dau
co-heirs, Ela m. Robert de Constable, Alice m. William de Bellomonte, and
Emecina m. Ralph of Goxhill/Gousel.]
[2] Watson's initial post to the thread @
archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2011-03/1299125404 .
[3] IPM of Alice de Beaumont @
books.google.com/books?id=G7cKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA282
[4] 'Close Rolls, Edward I: July 1297', Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I:
volume 4: 1296-1302 (1906), pp. 38-52. URL:
www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=96727. July 2. 1297.
Westminster. To the sheriff of Norfolk. Order to cause John de Bello Monte,
kinsman and heir of Nicholas son of Reyner [de Burgh], to have seisin of
100s. of yearly rent in Congeham, Geyton and Grymeston, which Thomas de
Weylond, who abjured the realm for felony, held, as the king learns by
inquisition taken by the sheriff that the rent has been in the king's hands
for a year and a day, and that Thomas held it of Nicholas, and that William
Berry had the king's year and day, for which he ought to answer to the king.
[5] Calendar of the Feet of Fines of Sussex, page 113 @
books.google.com/books?id=bAAdAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA113 .There was a fine 35 Edw I
[1306/7] between 'Walter de Langeton, Bishop of Coventry and Lytchefeld v.
Richard de Bello monte of part of manor of Grimmeston'
[6] CP 4:27 footnote g, states he d. bef 13 Jun 1290, which is the date
Alice had license to remarry. Not cited by CP is the following record which
revises the death date of Hugh Fitz Warin to bef 19 Nov 1285 : UK National
Archives; C 241/2/36; [1283 Nov 20 - 1285 Nov 19]. Chancery: Certificates of
Statute Merchant and Sta... Debtor: Alice Hardel, sometime the widow of
William Fitz-Warin [of Essex]. Creditor: John de Bokelai... Amount: ....s.
8d. Before whom: Ralph de Sandwich, Warden of London; .... .. ........,
[Clerk]. Writ to: Sheriff of Essex. Sent by: Ralph de Sandwich, Warden of
London; Note. Inquisition and return: [Clerk].Held by: The National
Archives, Kew.
[7] Feudal Aides, Vol II [Dorset-Huntingdon]; London; PRO; 1900, page 137
http://books.google.com/books?id=BuMrAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA137.
[8]
archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2011-03/1299650460
[identity of Wm II' mother]
[9] Richardson comment re: Hardel @
archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2008-02/1204244174
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Weber" <
jim....@nwintl.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <
gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: William de Beaumont, of Drayton, & his wife Joan,
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> "The Beaumonts in History" by Edward Beaumont, 1929, states the
> following:
>
> There is at Drayton Norfolk, an old memorial or market cross, the
> inscription is now illegible, but in 1809 some portions remained which
> read:
> "VOUS CHE PRIE PUR L'AN WILLIAM DE BELLEMONT
> ..... JOHANNE SA FEMME .... PATER N: ... AVE
> MARIA ... DE PARDON AVERA"
> (Blomefield's NORFOLK, X. 413).
>
> Blomefield confirms the text (in French), but does not mention the
> date 1809 when it was legible.
<SNIP>