Disgusting behavior of tamilians
Ravi Krishna
Before any reader of this thread assumes anything let me tell you first that I
am a tamilian by birth though I live in Delhi.
I read the review of tamil movie "Kurthipunal". There were couple of good
reviews but I am sorry to say that others were more of LTTE / Karnataka
issues.
Come on , tamilians grow up. We are here to review the movie and not to bring
any political issues or talk about tamil pysche.
I have visited TN many times and for a brief period I have worked in TN and I
think I can claim to know enough about the so called tamil pysche. By the
way what is a tamil pysche:-
a) Develop irrational hatred for any language except tamil.
b) Never try to mix with mainstream and try to create your own pockets.
c) Be extremly self centered.
Point a:- It is well known that tamilian's speak atrocious Hindi. They will
not make any attempt to learn Hindi. Proof:- Go to Delhi where there are
close to a million tamilians today. Most of the middle age people ( > 45
years) can't speak Hindhi even after staying in Delhi for more than 15 years.
This is ridiculous. Of course young people are very fluent in Hindi.
Tamilians can say that it is due to political leader that tamilians were
denied learning hindi in school. My point is - who brought such parties to
power- Tamilians only. Just because some AIADMK and DMK bastard makes hindi
as an election issue doesn't mean that people of TN should swallow such
arguments.
Lets face it - Outside TN tamil is a USELESS language for all pratical
purpose. At least Hindi gives you the mobility in most part of India.
English is a different issue and is essentially a langauge for education and
work.
Point b:- Go to Delhi or Banglore and this is a common complaint that
tamilians don't mix with the mainstream. In fact someone told me that in
Banglore even after staying for many years tamilians don't speak kannada - or
is it that they don't know kannada. No wonder that in Dec 91 and now, Cavery
has become an execuse to settle scores with tamilians.
Point c: Point a and b explains this.
I am not bringing other issues peculiar to TN as I think these points are
enough.
LETS HOPE TAMILIANS CHANGE FOR GOOD.
Ravi Krishna
rkri...@informix.com
Mani Varadarajan
> Point a:- It is well known that tamilian's speak atrocious Hindi. They will
> not make any attempt to learn Hindi.
How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
And how do they pronounce it?
Mani
Gayathri Krishnamurthy
>
> I read the review of tamil movie "Kurthipunal". There were couple of good
> reviews but I am sorry to say that others were more of LTTE / Karnataka
> issues.
>
> Come on , tamilians grow up. We are here to review the movie and not to bring
> any political issues or talk about tamil pysche.
I do agree that many of the threads in this group degenerate to
political, caste, communal bashing of some sort - regardless of how the
original thread was started. This is extremely unfortunate, and if only
some netters who do this reined in their emotions and stopped before going
off in tangents, this wouldn't happen. But this is a free forum and it
sometimes becomes a free for all :-), if you know what I mean.
But as to other parts of your posting, I disagree. I do understand that
your views are subjective and so are mine. But sweeping generalizations
about any group of people, is wrong.
> By the way what is a tamil pysche:-
>
> a) Develop irrational hatred for any language except tamil.
This is not true. While some of the Tamil people on this net go jingoistic
in their love for Tamil and start bashing Hindi/Sanskrit etc, in general
this is not true. Incidentally, many of these jingoists are the same people
who go off into political tangents and hate postings at the drop of a hat.
There are people from AP and the north living in Madras
and they do like it there. Nobody is hostile to them. There are quite a
few Sindhis in Coimbatore and they do feel welcome. The Bengali, Telugu
and Sindhi friends I had in Madras could hardly speak any Tamil, despite
living there for at least 5 years. And I would add that quite a few people
from North India have either a difficulty or a jingoistic problem (like some
Tamils in this ng) in learning Tamil. I've met Hindiwallas in Madras
who speak "atrocious" or no Tamil after living there for 20+ years. So
there !
By the way, I personally have lived in 5 different states of India and
can speak 4 of the languages pretty fluently, with the 5th language, Kannada,
still being "Butlerish" (thanks to my working in Bangalore - speaking
English at the workplace, MalayaLam with my MalayaLi shopkeeper, Telugu with
my maid and neighbors from AP, and English/Hindi/Tamil with my colleagues from
various parts of India, my Kannada really didn't have a chance). At least
first generation working Tamilians in Bangalore might have a problem like
mine - not having time to interact with the only-Kannada-speaking population.
> b) Never try to mix with mainstream and try to create your own pockets.
Nope. Not really. Clannish people exist from all places, and Tamils are
no exception. It takes time and courage to break the language/cultural
barrier and hence these pockets. You might have noticed that MalayaLees
for instance, flock together wherever they go. One of my MalayaLee friends
explained to me that its the reluctance to break the language barrier
(according to him, many people from Kerala have a problem with English,
as they don't speak it on a daily basis in schools etc).
It may also arise out of a sense of isolation - in Patna, where I lived,
there was a South Indian Association (with people from the 4 southern
states) with their own activities - this sense of community I think was
derived from the isolation of being referred to by the generic term
"Madrasi" by the average Hindiwalla. I personally think that there's a
lot to gain by interacting with people from other cultures, and
shy/fanatical people have everything to lose.
By the way, I would like to add that some North Indians can be extremely
offensive and jingoistic too. Some of them seem to think that every
Indian is dutybound to learn Hindi whether he/she uses it or not - one of
my colleagues in Bangalore once told me that I should be ashamed
to not know grammatically-correct "national language". This was after I
said something to him in Hindi. Gimme a break - I was trying to make him
feel at home and it was years since I left the Hindi heartland. I've met a
few fanatics like that too. I find these people pretty silly.
I've met other Tamils who are embarrassed about their Tamil identity. They
won't admit to knowing how to speak Tamil fluently, and would rather
speak English/Hindi to even their Tamil friends. These are some misguided
or confused Tamils who stayed a little while in the North or in a place
where there is a significant Hindi population (e.g Hyderabad). They claim
to speak Tamil only to their grandparents (!), while speaking to their
parents in English. They deliberately speak bad Tamil with a sort of
Hindi/convent accent. These people, I would say, are truly pathetic.
> c) Be extremly self centered.
Forgive me, but this is too childish to warrant a reply :-).
Cheers,
Gayathri.
Srikant Sridevan
In article <4dqn9f$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, prak...@aol.com
(PRAKASH2) writes:
>In article <MANI.96Ja...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com>,
>ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
>
>>How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
>>And how do they pronounce it?
>>
>>Mani
>
>Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
>speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
>few Gujarathi and Mharashtrian friends in Saidapet who can speak Tamil
>very well. So many Urudu speakin Musalman Brothers speak good Tamil. You
>want more proof than this.
I am sure that the Tamil businessmen/traders in the North all have at
least a working knowledge of Hindi otherwise it would be impossible to
do business there.
I think the people who are being referred to are those people who do not
need to mingle with the local populace on a day-to-day basis and as
someone else pointed out there are quite a few Hindi speakers in Madras
who cannot speak Tamil after having lived there for many years.
As for "musalman brothers", if they are Tamils, they will speak it as it
is their mother-tongue. Nothing great about that. I don't know how many
native Urdu speakers there are in Madras and if they also speak Tamil
more power to them.
Srikant
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An Indian and proud of it!
>
>years) can't speak Hindhi even after staying in Delhi for more than 15
years.
>This is ridiculous. Of course young people are very fluent in Hindi.
>Tamilians can say that it is due to political leader that tamilians were
>denied learning hindi in school. My point is - who brought such parties
to
>power- Tamilians only. Just because some AIADMK and DMK bastard makes
hindi
>as an election issue doesn't mean that people of TN should swallow such
>arguments.
>Lets face it - Outside TN tamil is a USELESS language for all pratical
>purpose. At least Hindi gives you the mobility in most part of India.
>English is a different issue and is essentially a langauge for education
and
>work.
>
Hindi. Do you know why? It is because of the illogical aspect of the
language that of assigning gender attributes to neuter items. For
example, I could never understand why the moon had to be feminine and the
sun masculine. Much the same as French. I grew up with people from
every state and English was the best link language. Not the bastardised
version of Bombay Hindi which is generally gramatically incorrect!
I constantly had problems in school with Hindi because I could never
match the language skills of those who spoke Hindi or a similar language
at home. I could produce excellent marks in French but Hindi (and
Marathi) were my most difficult subjects! Not because I did not put in
effort but due to the illogical aspects of the language which requires
years of practice to master. French was easy because we were all at a
common starting point! I did get good grades at SSC but that was after
memorising whole chapters in the text book in an effort to get the
grammar correct.
So there! How do you expect people in Tamil Nadu to learn Hindi.
Plus you have a whole bunch of Hindi chauvinists whose only ambition is
to replace English. These people have low IQs and basically very few
skills. Which is why they spend most of their lives dreaming up Hindi
equivalents for English words eg Ulti Ginti for countdown! Why can't
they do something useful in their lives. It is possible that a large
segment of Indian population speaks Hindi (or close toi Hindi) but I bet
a majority of them cannot read or write it correctly anyway!
You claim to be Tamil! Go and take a flying leap from the tallest
building you can find! You are a disgrace to the rest of the Tamil
community! Only joking! I am not even qualified to be a Tamil since I
cannot even write my mother tongue! Again I am not lamenting on this
loss! Since I make up for it in a variety of other languages!
Parthasarati Dileepan
rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
>
>I have visited TN many times and for a brief period I have worked in TN and I
>way what is a tamil pysche:-
>
>a) Develop irrational hatred for any language except tamil.
>
>
>
>close to a million tamilians today. Most of the middle age people ( > 45
>This is ridiculous. Of course young people are very fluent in Hindi.
migrated north and all of them are quite fluent in Hindi.
I suspect this to be true in many other families as well.
Youngters being more proficient in Hindi is understandable
given the Hindi environment in which they have grown up.
If your complaint is about accent, I am afraid that can't
be helped. How many of us speak English without an accent?
>Tamilians can say that it is due to political leader that tamilians were
>denied learning hindi in school. My point is - who brought such parties to
>power- Tamilians only. Just because some AIADMK and DMK bastard makes hindi
>as an election issue doesn't mean that people of TN should swallow such
>arguments.
Anti-Hindi sentiment was, and perhaps still is, quite widely
shared. It is not imposed by the politicians, neither is it
naively bought by the Tamils, as you claim.
>Lets face it - Outside TN tamil is a USELESS language for all pratical
>purpose. At least Hindi gives you the mobility in most part of India.
>English is a different issue and is essentially a langauge for education and
>work.
>
useful language. It has lifted my spirit up time and
time again. I think this is very practical. Usefulness
depends upon the individual. It seems it has been
useless to you, but don't be so sure about its
usefulness to others. This is not a zero sum game.
Both Hindi and Tamil can be of practical value.
>
>LETS HOPE TAMILIANS CHANGE FOR GOOD.
need to change for the better. But I hope they
continue to cherish, and draw inspiration from, the
sweet language Tamil.
-- P. Dileepan
Paul E Jeganathan
>
>In article <MANI.96Ja...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com>,
>ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
>
>>How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
>>And how do they pronounce it?
very few to my knowledge.
>>Mani
>
>Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
>speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
A third of my classmates in college were from Sowcarpet. With the
exception of a handful, they did not want to learn Thamilzh nor did they
care and some of these were good friends of mine! (This was in a situation
where studying a third language was mandatory). May be things have
changed since then. However, there are a lot of Saurashtrians who have
settled in the south a few hundreds of years ago and you cannot disticguish
them from the rest of the Tml population.
JOKE AND JOKE ALONE:
Anbulla Iyya (Dear Sir) was invariably, Anbulla Jaya (Dear Jaya)
due to mixing up "iyyena" with "javanna".
Jobs and/or marriages took five of my siblings to the other side of the
Vindhyas. They are all proficient not only in Hindi but also in some of
the regional languages of Gujarat, Maharashtra and Punjab.
>few
Yes, FEW.
>Gujarathi and Mharashtrian friends in Saidapet who can speak Tamil
>very well. So many Urudu speakin Musalman Brothers speak good Tamil.
So many....hmmmm...Visit North Arcot District - esp some of the small
towns and villages. One should acknowledge the few who were exceptions.
I have heard a muslim carnatic voculist sing (somebody help me with the name)
in Madras who sang tml hindu kirthanais very beautifully,,if I remember
right there was a katcheri by this guy when they were raising funds for
the Vadapalani temple.
>You want more proof than this.
>
>Ofcourse I can't speak Telugu even my close friends are Telugu speaking
>and I couldn't speak Hindi even after move with many Hindi people.
>
>Prakash Balakrishnan
If all of us, NI or SI, quit being rhetoric and develop certain amount of
open-mindedness and tolerance, we will be able to fly the flag of India
higher....blah, blah....I do not want to get preachy.
pej
Suresh Rajan
Krishna) writes:
|> : This shows to what extent your knowledge about TN/India is shallow.
|> : I feel sorry for your ignorant state and admire you for unabashedly
|> : spilling it on the net.
|> : what proportion of 5.5 crores? Anyway anybody leaving tamil nadu has
|> to
|> : learn the language used predominantly in that particular state.
|>
|> Mr Davis what was the rank of TN during early 60's in India. It was
|> 7th. You know what it is today - 18th. I am talking in terms of
|> economy , per capitan income , poverty line etc. Refer to any book on
|> India.
|>
|> How many Tamilian's go out of TN to other states for work. A sizebale
|> number
|> of working professionals. And how many come to TN from other states.
|> Perhaps negligble. Who needs Hindi? I think the answer is quite
|> simple.
|>
|>
|> Can you enlighten me on TN achievments in the last two decades in terms
|> of
|> economic growth. How many industries were set up in TN compared to
|> Maharashstra and Gujarat and other progressive states. For your
|> information
|> the "useless" word which I used has been coined by hard core tamilian's
|> living
|> in Delhi. These tamilian's were born and brought up in TN and after
|> completing their education were forced to move out of TN for good jobs.
|> Today they are pretty happy in Delhi ( at least financially). They
|> agree
|> that in Delhi / Bombay they have much better scope to come up in life
|> then in
|> TN.
|>
|> Finally Mr Davis don't be a "frog in the well". This is the problem
|> with
|> most of the tamilian's. They think the world starts and ends in
|> tamilnadu.
|>
|> Ravi Krishna
The same points can be made about India too! Life outside India is much
better.
Does that mean all Indians behave disgustingly? Get a life, dude.
Suresh
Ravi Krishna
>We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
>every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
>hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
>
>Keep your hindi with you man!
>
>-
>S.Sevalkodiyon.
Agreed , no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
useless in all states even in India except TN. I have traveled in Orissa / W
Bengal where I had no problem with Hindi. Can't imagine how I would have
managed with tamil.
Conclusion:- Tamil is a useless language spoken in an useless state. Yes TN
is a useless state which can't even give decent jobs to their own people let
one outsiders. Consequently most of them go out of TN for jobs. Ask such
people how much useful is tamil is.
Sorry , couldn't resist myself.
S. Ravi Krishna
Ravi Krishna
Davis Jebaraj
>>
>>We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
>>every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
>>hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
>>
>>Keep your hindi with you man!
>>
>>-
>>S.Sevalkodiyon.
>
>Agreed , no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
>useless in all states even in India except TN. I have traveled in Orissa / W
>Bengal where I had no problem with Hindi. Can't imagine how I would have
>managed with tamil.
It is attrocius to expect people to study/learn a language just becos it
helps them while travelling someplace. A language should be able to carry
itself on its own weight and not through the telecasting of programmes in
that language on DD. Of course it is equally foolish to LIVE without the
knowledge of hindi in the northern states(an accusation you have made
against tamils, which i feel is baseless from the point of view of
reality).
The pawn brokers in TN are all from the northern most state of Rajasthan
I guess. They deal with people who know nothing but tamil in their day to
day business. Do you think these people learnt Tamil before boarding the
GT express for madras?
>Conclusion:- Tamil is a useless language
The most stupid conclusion i have ever seen concerning language. Tamil is
useful in TN and tamil homes elsewhere. I don't think there is a
necessity for it to be useful in any other place in the presence of
english.
spoken in an useless state. Yes TN
>is a useless state which can't even give decent jobs to their own people let
>one outsiders.
This shows to what extent your knowledge about TN/India is shallow.
Consequently most of them go out of TN for jobs. Ask such
>people how much useful is tamil is.
what proportion of 5.5 crores? Anyway anybody leaving tamil nadu has to
learn the language used predominantly in that particular state.
>Sorry, couldn't resist myself.
I feel sorry for your ignorant state and admire you for unabashedly
spilling it on the net.
>S. Ravi Krishna
davis.
Badrinarayanan Seshadri
* In article <4dpaar$g...@news.informix.com>
* rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
<deleted>
* >Lets face it - Outside TN tamil is a USELESS language for all pratical
* >purpose. At least Hindi gives you the mobility in most part of India.
* >English is a different issue and is essentially a langauge for education and
* >work.
* >
*
*
* In my personal experience Tamil has been an extremely
* useful language. It has lifted my spirit up time and
* time again. I think this is very practical. Usefulness
* depends upon the individual. It seems it has been
* useless to you, but don't be so sure about its
* usefulness to others. This is not a zero sum game.
* Both Hindi and Tamil can be of practical value.
Mr Ravi Krishna is correct. After all, he is not interested in the
sublime poetry of sangam thamizhs. Nor is he interested in the
spiritually uplifting bhakti hymns in thamizh. If it is a question of
merely buying a loaf of bread, or asking a prostitute "how much?", or
directing a rikshawallah where to go, in what way is thamizh useful
OUTSIDE thamizh naadu?
But we do see some people, non-thamizh Indians and non-Indians trying
to learn and appreciate thamizh. Good for them!
Hindi does give you mobility in most parts of India and that is a
fact. No one can dispute Mr Ravi Krishna there!
It is the tone employed by Mr Ravi Krishna that is very curious here.
He could have made his point much better otherwise.
--badri
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S.Badrinarayanan
Graduate Student
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
Cornell University
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Balakrishnan
>prak...@aol.com (PRAKASH2) wrote:
>>In article <MANI.96Ja...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com>,
>>ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
>>
>>>How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
>>>And how do they pronounce it?
>>>
>>
>>Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
>>speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
>>very well. So many Urudu speakin Musalman Brothers speak good Tamil. You
>>want more proof than this.
>>
>>Ofcourse I can't speak Telugu even my close friends are Telugu speaking
>>and I couldn't speak Hindi even after move with many Hindi people.
>>
>>Prakash Balakrishnan
>
>every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
>hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
>
>Keep your hindi with you man!
>
>-
>S.Sevalkodiyon.
>
is trying to say. He says that in spite of the fact that many of his
close friends are Telugu or Hindi speaking, he was unable to learn
those languages.
I also feel that your second para is illogical and unwarranted(not
to mention in bad taste). You state that he lokes and Hindi speaking
people. What does that have to do with everybody liking the Hindi
language? Just like as you stated, Hindi is a useless language
outside India, so is German outside Germany or Russian outside Russia.
What is so great about learning those languages that Hindi is inferior?
Superiority and inferiority of languages exists only in one's bias. No
language is better than the other - better for a certain purpose,
probably. Also stating that Hindi is a crap language shows your
intolerance - protect yourself from insults by efraining from bashing
anything that is non-Tamil. I would also like to point out that Hindi
is understood in Pakistan(outside India) and that Tamil is useless
outside the sub-continent. So would you classify Tamil also to be a
useless crap language??
If you do not like Hindi, you need not learn it - but without
learning a language and without even being exposed to it, one should
not speak ill of it. I have studied Hindi(and Sanskrit just in case you
want to fight about that) and found it to be a beautiful language. It is
not the same as Tamil because the styles are different, but it is a
pleasant language, like any other that I know. Not to mention that my
knowledge of Tamil is also not lacking - that was so that you would not
classify me as a traitor of Tamils(I understand not how).
I once again urge you to keep your biases to yourself and not spill
them onto the net.
Regards,
Balakrishnan
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Mani Varadarajan
> In article <MANI.96Ja...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com>,
> ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
>
> >How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
> >And how do they pronounce it?
> >
> >Mani
>
> Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
> speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
> few Gujarathi and Mharashtrian friends in Saidapet who can speak Tamil
> very well. So many Urudu speakin Musalman Brothers speak good Tamil.
And so many people of Tamil origin living in the Hindi
belt speak flawless Hindi. I have countless relatives
who have all but abandoned study of their native tongue
and speak Hindi at home. I am sad that this is the case,
as Tamil is a far more interesting language IMHO, but that's
one of the costs of living in a cosmopolitan society.
I object to your patently false stereotype of Tamils as
being ignorami.
Mani
Suresh Vaidyanathan
:
:No, Mr. Ravi Krishna, right now i think that tamils form one of the largest
:ethnic communities(though i wonder if many of them consider themselves so) in
:clemson university. Not bad for frogs in the well if this is indicative of the
:US in any respect.
Sounds to me that you are continuing with the same mentality. Just a different
well (Clemson).
Kathiravan
>Balakrishnan (BSX...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) wrote:
>> In article <4dth1d$q...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> "S.Sevalkodiyon" <
>Correction... Tamil is one of the official languages in Singapore and
>Malaysia(I believe). So stop being a tamil-basher...cuz it's like bashing
>your own mother and saying she's useless because she can't be your mother
>anymore since they don't respect your mother outside your house (which
>itself is a wrong assumption).. Some ppl here do Tamil-bashing because
>they live on other ppl's money and they have to be faithful to their
>masters. If that's fair, then I don't see no reason why these ppl who
>"seem" to care about freedom of expression, would mind B bashing....
>There's something really wrong with these few (very few) ppl. And another
>person who forged accts has come to write in the name of a lord.. .How
>long are these going to last?
>
How long will it last? Till we
develop some back bone. Till we stop
calling ourselves Hindus and practice
the rotten system some people will exploit
the masses with Hindu, Hindi, Hindia
nationalism that is a parasite.
Till we start respecting everybody
equally. Till we stop this madness of throwing
money in temples, priests, rituals,
Saivism-Brahmanism and lies.
Kathiravan
>
>Anthath Thamizhan,
>dA RULer.
>
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Babu Arunachalam
: >
: >We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
: >every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
: >hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
: >
: >Keep your hindi with you man!
: >
: >-
: >S.Sevalkodiyon.
: Agreed , no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
: useless in all states even in India except TN. I have traveled in Orissa / W
: Bengal where I had no problem with Hindi. Can't imagine how I would have
: managed with tamil.
: Conclusion:- Tamil is a useless language spoken in an useless state. Yes TN
: is a useless state which can't even give decent jobs to their own people let
: one outsiders. Consequently most of them go out of TN for jobs. Ask such
: people how much useful is tamil is.
: Sorry , couldn't resist myself.
: S. Ravi Krishna
Wow! What a wonderful conclusion. Please consult a good
Psychiatrist.
Arul-Nagesu Singam
> In article <4dth1d$q...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> "S.Sevalkodiyon" <sevalko...@cs.man.ac.uk> writes:
> >prak...@aol.com (PRAKASH2) wrote:
> >>ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
> >>
> >>>How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
> >>>And how do they pronounce it?
> >>>
> >>>Mani
> >>
> >>Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
> >>speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
> >>few Gujarathi and Mharashtrian friends in Saidapet who can speak Tamil
> >>want more proof than this.
> >>
> >>Ofcourse I can't speak Telugu even my close friends are Telugu speaking
> >>and I couldn't speak Hindi even after move with many Hindi people.
> >>
> >>Prakash Balakrishnan
> >
> >every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
> >hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
> >
> >Keep your hindi with you man!
> >
> >-
> >S.Sevalkodiyon.
> >
> is trying to say. He says that in spite of the fact that many of his
> close friends are Telugu or Hindi speaking, he was unable to learn
> those languages.
> I also feel that your second para is illogical and unwarranted(not
> to mention in bad taste). You state that he lokes and Hindi speaking
> people. What does that have to do with everybody liking the Hindi
> language? Just like as you stated, Hindi is a useless language
> outside India, so is German outside Germany or Russian outside Russia.
> What is so great about learning those languages that Hindi is inferior?
> Superiority and inferiority of languages exists only in one's bias. No
> language is better than the other - better for a certain purpose,
> probably. Also stating that Hindi is a crap language shows your
> intolerance - protect yourself from insults by efraining from bashing
> anything that is non-Tamil. I would also like to point out that Hindi
> is understood in Pakistan(outside India) and that Tamil is useless
Correction... Tamil is one of the official languages in Singapore and
Malaysia(I believe). So stop being a tamil-basher...cuz it's like bashing
your own mother and saying she's useless because she can't be your mother
anymore since they don't respect your mother outside your house (which
itself is a wrong assumption).. Some ppl here do Tamil-bashing because
they live on other ppl's money and they have to be faithful to their
masters. If that's fair, then I don't see no reason why these ppl who
"seem" to care about freedom of expression, would mind B bashing....
There's something really wrong with these few (very few) ppl. And another
person who forged accts has come to write in the name of a lord.. .How
long are these going to last?
> outside the sub-continent. So would you classify Tamil also to be a
> useless crap language??
> If you do not like Hindi, you need not learn it - but without
> learning a language and without even being exposed to it, one should
> not speak ill of it. I have studied Hindi(and Sanskrit just in case you
> want to fight about that) and found it to be a beautiful language. It is
> not the same as Tamil because the styles are different, but it is a
> pleasant language, like any other that I know. Not to mention that my
> knowledge of Tamil is also not lacking - that was so that you would not
> classify me as a traitor of Tamils(I understand not how).
> I once again urge you to keep your biases to yourself and not spill
> them onto the net.
> Regards,
> Balakrishnan
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> BALAKRISHNAN VISWANATHAN
> vis...@omc.lan.mcgill.ca
> bs...@musicb.mcgill.ca
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> Paropakaaraartham idam sareeram
Sundar Kannan
Please change the way you say things.
This might be a public forum where you can say anything you
feel like. But there is a way/mode to say your view point.
Again your viewpoints are very sensitive and hurts real
tamils.
Donot get excited...
Like someone else pointed out, you are a disgrace to the tamil community.
Sundar R. Kannan, Kartik Visveswaran, Ramesh Ramanathan, Guru Krishnan,
Radhakrishnan & Kumaravel
AT&T Bell Labs
K.DIRRESH
>In article <4dpaar$g...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
Dear Esteemed Tamils,
At this moment,I would like to make a point regarding this issue.
For long,I have been restraining myself from posting anything on this
newsgroup for the mere reason that this advanced technology i.e
Internet has not been used for the appropriate purpose that it is
meant for.We,Tamils,have long been living by the infatuations created
by politicians,priests and movies.We should realize that we have come
out of that circle to an extent that we use the modern technologiesat
our fingertips and we should not be continuing our biases towards
caste,community,political party or even filmfans to this world also.
I have been stressing in vain for very long that this newsgroup be
devoid of political propaganda,caste based bickerings,greed for lingual
status etc.I have been longing for very long that I could correspond
with other tamils to share our views,but have decided not to in such
a filthy state.So I earnestly pleed,or even beg,you Tamils to act as
creatures with the highest interlectual capacity and post things that
are interlectually demanding or atleast entertaining.I appreciate
everyone who take the time to read upto the last word of it.
Enrum anbudan,
K.DIRRESH.
>.
Jagannath Ayyaswami
>The same points can be made about India too! Life outside India is much
>better.
>Does that mean all Indians behave disgustingly? Get a life, dude.
>
>Suresh
Well said Suresh, way to go man!!
jagan
fivestar
>Ravi Krishna (rkrishna) wrote:
>: >
>: >We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
>: >every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
>: >hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
>: >
>: >Keep your hindi with you man!
>: >
>: >-
>: >S.Sevalkodiyon.
>: Agreed , no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
Ramkumar Rajendran
On 19 Jan 1996, Ravi Krishna wrote:
>
> Before any reader of this thread assumes anything let me tell you first that I
> am a tamilian by birth though I live in Delhi.
>
> a) Develop irrational hatred for any language except tamil.
>
> b) Never try to mix with mainstream and try to create your own pockets.
>
> c) Be extremly self centered.
>
> Point a:- It is well known that tamilian's speak atrocious Hindi. They will
> not make any attempt to learn Hindi. Proof:- Go to Delhi where there are
> close to a million tamilians today. Most of the middle age people ( > 45
> years) can't speak Hindhi even after staying in Delhi for more than 15 years.
> This is ridiculous. Of course young people are very fluent in Hindi.
> Tamilians can say that it is due to political leader that tamilians were
> denied learning hindi in school. My point is - who brought such parties to
> power- Tamilians only. Just because some AIADMK and DMK bastard makes hindi
> as an election issue doesn't mean that people of TN should swallow such
> arguments.
So you are a tamilian by birth really. Nice to know that. I do not want
to enter into long arguments with you. I guess you are a "Tamil" Brahmin.
Excuse me if I am wrong. Because as far as I know only the "Tamil"
Brahmins oppose learning tamil and supporting tamil.
Regarding your view that "Tamil is useless outside Tamilnadu", Hindi is
useless outside India. So let all the people learn english.
With respect to the pronunciation, Have you seen the National news on
Doordarshan, they cannot pronounce the words properly. What do you have
to say about that.
Ramkumar Rajendran
P.S. the quotation marks is because MOST of them consider Sanskrit to be
their language.
K.DIRRESH
>In article <4drcpo$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> gaya...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
>At this moment,I would like to make a point regarding this issue.
>For long,I have been restraining myself from posting anything on this
>newsgroup for the mere reason that this advanced technology i.e
>Internet has not been used for the appropriate purpose that it is
>meant for.We,Tamils,have long been living by the infatuations created
>by politicians,priests and movies.We should realize that we have come
>out of that circle to an extent that we use the modern technologiesat
>our fingertips and we should not be continuing our biases towards
>caste,community,political party or even filmfans to this world also.
>I have been stressing in vain for very long that this newsgroup be
>devoid of political propaganda,caste based bickerings,greed for lingual
>status etc.I have been longing for very long that I could correspond
>with other tamils to share our views,but have decided not to in such
>a filthy state.So I earnestly pleed,or even beg,you Tamils to act as
>creatures with the highest interlectual capacity and post things that
>are interlectually demanding or atleast entertaining.I appreciate
>everyone who take the time to read upto the last word of it.
>
> Enrum anbudan,
> K.DIRRESH.
>>.
>
>.
Balakrishnan
not what I was claiming and you seem to have missed the point of my post
And for your information, I am not a Tamil-basher, in fact I am proud to
be a Tamilian. The point I was raising had nothing to do with respecting
Tamil outside Tamil Nadu, but of its usefulness. I also would like to
point out your own logic to you: why should you not respect Hindi if it
is not your mother tongue? Surely ther is nothing wrong in that. I would
like you to point out where I committed Tamil-bashing. You say that if
Tamil bashing is OK, then B-bashing is OK: but IMHO, no bashing is OK.
One should learn to live in harmony with others around oneself.
Regards,
Balakrishnan
>Anthath Thamizhan,
>dA RULer.
>
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>.
Arul-Nagesu Singam
> not what I was claiming and you seem to have missed the point of my post
> And for your information, I am not a Tamil-basher, in fact I am proud to
> be a Tamilian. The point I was raising had nothing to do with respecting
> Tamil outside Tamil Nadu, but of its usefulness. I also would like to
This attitude itself is anti-Tamil. You as a Tamilian should be the one
who makes it useful outside. The Hindi guy next door is not going to
come and do that for you. How did English, Spanish, Italian, French,
etc.. become useful outside their respective countries? It was through
the ppl of the respective languages.. Then why shouldn't Tamil, which in
my opinion is far richer and better than many other languages.
Btw,
How could Hindi, for that matter, be of use outside the Indian subcontinent?
My English neighbour certainly doesn't understand Hindi...
> point out your own logic to you: why should you not respect Hindi if it
> is not your mother tongue? Surely ther is nothing wrong in that. I would
Certainly not... Give and Take respect. That's my logic. If your
neigbour's mother respects you and your mother, there's nothing wrong in
respecting her.
> like you to point out where I committed Tamil-bashing. You say that if
> Tamil bashing is OK, then B-bashing is OK: but IMHO, no bashing is OK.
> One should learn to live in harmony with others around oneself.
Havent you seen "Nayakan"? "Avangalai Niruththa Sollunga naan
Niruththiraen"... That is how most humans are, except maybe a few
exceptions. And we Tamils of Eelam have faced a long time of oppression
just because we are Tamils. So it is just natural for us to be very picky
about what others say about our language. Cuz, Tamil bashing was how
the Sinhalese started it.
It was a long time before we started to make them feel it... we were
waiting (a long time, about 30 odd years) for it to end. But it just kept
escalating with no end in sight. Once we stood up for ourself, we are sure
there is an end in sight, and we've learned a lot from that. Now the world
wants us to stop defending ourself.. but all we can say is, let the one who
started it stop it ( meaning put a true end to it), and that is when it
will really stop. Maybe I took you off topic, but that was just an example
of "harmony want work when you are being bashed continously".
K.DIRRESH
>In article <25JAN96.23...@VM1.MCGILL.CA> "K.DIRRESH" <BWT...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>In article <4drcpo$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> gaya...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>At this moment,I would like to make a point regarding this issue.
>>For long,I have been restraining myself from posting anything on this
>>newsgroup for the mere reason that this advanced technology i.e
>>Internet has not been used for the appropriate purpose that it is
>>meant for.We,Tamils,have long been living by the infatuations created
>>by politicians,priests and movies.We should realize that we have come
>>out of that circle to an extent that we use the modern technologiesat
>>our fingertips and we should not be continuing our biases towards
>>caste,community,political party or even filmfans to this world also.
>>I have been stressing in vain for very long that this newsgroup be
>>devoid of political propaganda,caste based bickerings,greed for lingual
>>status etc.I have been longing for very long that I could correspond
>>with other tamils to share our views,but have decided not to in such
>>a filthy state.So I earnestly pleed,or even beg,you Tamils to act as
>>creatures with the highest interlectual capacity and post things that
>>are interlectually demanding or atleast entertaining.I appreciate
>>everyone who take the time to read upto the last word of it.
>>
Enrum anbudan,
K.DIRRESH.
Not in the clamour of crowded streets,
Not in the plaudits of the throng,
But in ourselves is triumph and defeat!
-Longfellow
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Arul-Nagesu Singam
What is your problem? You keep posting the same article three or four
times even while the original one is on? You want attention? Go stand in
a corner and yell out loud.. you will feel like you are being attended to..
Btw, who are you to ask Tamils (that too in general) to "get a life"?
K.DIRRESH (BWT...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) wrote:
> In article <26JAN96.24...@VM1.MCGILL.CA> "K.DIRRESH" <BWT...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
> >In article <25JAN96.23...@VM1.MCGILL.CA> "K.DIRRESH" <BWT...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
> >>In article <4drcpo$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> gaya...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
> >>>In article <4dpaar$g...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
> >>
> >>
Anthath Thamizhan,
Kannan
>>We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
>>every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
>>hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
>>-
>>S.Sevalkodiyon.
>>
>people. What does that have to do with everybody liking the Hindi
>language? Just like as you stated, Hindi is a useless language
>outside India, so is German outside Germany or Russian outside Russia.
Hindi is definitely not useless outside India. I am living in Dubai
(Middle East) and was very weak when I landed here. Majority of the
expatriate community here is from the subcontinent, so even the Arabs
speak hindi better than me. When I tell them I am an Indian and I
don't know hindi, they're surprised that there are Indians who don't
know hindi. And believe me malayalam happens to be the next language
which these arabs try to learn next to hindi :)
Kannan from Dubai.
P O Box 16765
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
Ph : 971 4 835551
Fax : 971 4 835304
Email : kan...@emirates.net.ae (internet)
kn kannan@dmc (majornet)
N Paramesh
>> not make any attempt to learn Hindi.
>
Yes.
Tamils should from now on concentrate more on Tamil and their (Tamil) society,
rather than wasting their time on other things!
N Paramesh.
N Paramesh
>......, no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
>useless in all states even in India except TN. I have traveled in Orissa / W
>Bengal where I had no problem with Hindi. Can't imagine how I would have
>managed with tamil.
All this only means that knowledge of Tamil is not necessary to tour Orissa or West Bengal.
Most Tamils don't travel like you.
SO, they don't need to be forced to learn Hindi.
Hindi speakers and Hindi supporters would love to read your posting.
Frankly, I'd be happy if I can manage with Tamil all over India, and with a
little bit of English all over the world. This way, I don't have to learn
too many languages.
>
>Conclusion:- Tamil is a useless language spoken in an useless state. Yes TN
>is a useless state which can't even give decent jobs to their own people let
>one outsiders. Consequently most of them go out of TN for jobs. Ask such
>people how much useful is tamil is.
Let's assume Tamil and Tamils are useless to those who seek jobs outside.
Now, let's ask these people what they have done (or are planning to do in future)
for Tamil and the "useless" Tamils. What do you think their replies will be?
>
>Sorry , couldn't resist myself.
>
>S. Ravi Krishna
>
N Paramesh.
N Paramesh
>ma...@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan) writes:
>
>>How many Hindi speakers make an attempt to learn Tamil?
>>And how do they pronounce it?
>>
>>Mani
>
>Go and see in Sowcarpet in Madras. Many of the North (or West) Indian can
>speak Tamil and doing business with Tamils with Tamil alone. I know quite
>few Gujarathi and Mharashtrian friends in Saidapet who can speak Tamil
>very well. So many Urudu speakin Musalman Brothers speak good Tamil. You
>want more proof than this.
>
>Ofcourse I can't speak Telugu even my close friends are Telugu speaking
>and I couldn't speak Hindi even after move with many Hindi people.
>
>Prakash Balakrishnan
Excellent!!!
Now it looks "obvious" that Tamils have a very serious deficiency
in learning Hindi and perhaps the other Indian languages, too.
So, I propose that everyone who believes in the Unity of India and in its
great future from now on work towards making Tamil as the
National Language and thus compulsory to everyone in India, so Tamils can "tour around India"
without having to speak Hindi with their "lousy" accents.
This way Tamils can be happy. And others, too.
N Paramesh.
Srikanth Raghavan - 4409
Ravi Krishna (rkrishna) wrote:
: >
: >We know you like hindi speaking people, butt that doesn't mean
: >every body likes hindi language. what is the use of learning
: >hindi, hindi is a useless crap language outside the india.
: >Keep your hindi with you man!
: >
: >-
: >S.Sevalkodiyon.
: Agreed , no dispute that Hindi outside India is of no use , but then tamil is
: useless in all states even in India except TN. I have traveled in Orissa / W
: Bengal where I had no problem with Hindi. Can't imagine how I would have
: managed with tamil.
: Conclusion:- Tamil is a useless language spoken in an useless state. Yes TN
: is a useless state which can't even give decent jobs to their own people let
: one outsiders. Consequently most of them go out of TN for jobs. Ask such
: people how much useful is tamil is.
: Sorry , couldn't resist myself.
: S. Ravi Krishna
Wow! What a wonderful conclusion. Please consult a good
Psychiatrist.
-------
He has crossed the stage of Psychiatrist help.. He should be in a asylum now..
I don't really understand why he is having such a deep-rooted hatred for tamil
srikanth
Keith Vigraham
>In article <25JAN96.23...@VM1.MCGILL.CA> "K.DIRRESH" <BWT...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>In article <4drcpo$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> gaya...@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>>In article <4dpaar$g...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
>>
>>
>>Dear Esteemed Tamils,
>>At this moment,I would like to make a point regarding this issue.
>>For long,I have been restraining myself from posting anything on this
>>newsgroup for the mere reason that this advanced technology i.e
>>Internet has not been used for the appropriate purpose that it is
>>meant for.We,Tamils,have long been living by the infatuations created
>>by politicians,priests and movies.We should realize that we have come
>>out of that circle to an extent that we use the modern technologiesat
>>our fingertips and we should not be continuing our biases towards
>>caste,community,political party or even filmfans to this world also.
>>I have been stressing in vain for very long that this newsgroup be
>>devoid of political propaganda,caste based bickerings,greed for lingual
>>status etc.I have been longing for very long that I could correspond
>>with other tamils to share our views,but have decided not to in such
>>a filthy state.So I earnestly pleed,or even beg,you Tamils to act as
>>creatures with the highest interlectual capacity and post things that
>>are interlectually demanding or atleast entertaining.I appreciate
>>everyone who take the time to read upto the last word of it.
>>
>> Enrum anbudan,
>> K.DIRRESH.
>>>.
>>
>>.
>>.
Ha, another frustrated SCT NG reader:
Free Speech in action, an important part of American Way of Life.
Liberty to speak their mind. If it offensive to you express your
displeasure as you have done but don't inhibit yourself from exploring
your intellectual curiosity. This NG is not intended for
Intellectuals only nor it prevents intellectual emotional exchange.
Morons, pigs, dogs and others are welcome too to bark their or
express their emotions, passions, weird thoughts etc.,
At times, some (very few) have crossed the line and openly
solicited violence in this NG and they received appropriate
response. Internet NG are not for Intellectual bigots, often the ones
who consider themselves intellectually superior don't have a clue
what life is all about. They view everything through a narrow
peep hole. So, please relax. It is like requesting all the viewers
of FOX network to not watch COPS because of the characters in
its shows don't suit your TV personality qualifications.I can go on,
I hope you get the point.
I have found MR. Leo's , MR. Reddys and MR.BHARATHY's
contributions very enlightning, informative and funny at times.
FYI, I have seen receipes for ONION
SAMBARS, Soft IDLIs, Vedic discussions and so on in this NG.
What you dont seem to get it is that TAMIL culture is very
well reflected in this NG like the things you said bickering, biases
towards caste and so on. It seems you dont want the REAL
Tamil culture rather sanitized ivy league acceptable TAMIL
culture. For that you need your own private WEB and advertise
it under MATRIMONIAL heading. TAMILS who participate in this
do have a LIFE, it seems you need to get a TAMIL LIFE!!!!!
Cheers,
Barry V.
MASALA NEWS NETWORK
George Hart
the richest, most developed languages in the world -- far more so
than Hindi (which is itself a rich language). If people would learn
something of the Tamil tradition and Tamil literature, they would
find their lives far richer, more vibrant, and more meaningful. My
definition of something useless is NOT something that enriches life
in a way and to an extent that virtually nothing else can. I can
only conclude that some of the people writing on this subject are
extremely naive, foolish, and short-sighted. I hope that after they
have lived a few more years, their view of the world may become more
compassionate, and that they can come to appreciate one of the great
human cultural and literary heritages -- one which, much as they may
hate it, happens to be their own. George Hart
721....@mcimail.com
I 100% second you. All of the discussions in this
group is mostly centered around cinema, cinema stars,
LTTE. Is there a tamil soul to discuss or care about
Tamil ethics, cultural values in the modern world?
I hope it changes.
Omer
kali...@gmail.com
Hope most of the people who posted are already in grave...
All of the posts above were posted in marked as 1996.
Hope all of them were highly appreciated intellectuals..bcoz if above date is to be believed, at that time most of the people in India wouldn't have even known what is computer..
Zoom past..
It's now 2019...
Now there is no Hindi, Tamil kannada or Malayalam or anything...
paresh...@gmail.com
neh...@gmail.com
Sutharsan J. Isles
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> Before any reader of this thread assumes anything let me tell you first that I
> am a tamilian by birth though I live in Delhi.
>
> reviews but I am sorry to say that others were more of LTTE / Karnataka
> issues.
>
> Come on , tamilians grow up. We are here to review the movie and not to bring
> any political issues or talk about tamil pysche.
>
> I have visited TN many times and for a brief period I have worked in TN and I
> think I can claim to know enough about the so called tamil pysche. By the
> way what is a tamil pysche:-
> a) Develop irrational hatred for any language except tamil.
>
> b) Never try to mix with mainstream and try to create your own pockets.
>
> c) Be extremly self centered.
>
> close to a million tamilians today. Most of the middle age people ( > 45
> years) can't speak Hindhi even after staying in Delhi for more than 15 years.
> This is ridiculous. Of course young people are very fluent in Hindi.
> Tamilians can say that it is due to political leader that tamilians were
> denied learning hindi in school. My point is - who brought such parties to
> power- Tamilians only. Just because some AIADMK and DMK bastard makes hindi
> as an election issue doesn't mean that people of TN should swallow such
> arguments.
> purpose. At least Hindi gives you the mobility in most part of India.
> English is a different issue and is essentially a langauge for education and
> work.
>
> Point b:- Go to Delhi or Banglore and this is a common complaint that
> tamilians don't mix with the mainstream. In fact someone told me that in
> Banglore even after staying for many years tamilians don't speak kannada - or
> is it that they don't know kannada. No wonder that in Dec 91 and now, Cavery
> has become an execuse to settle scores with tamilians.
>
> Point c: Point a and b explains this.
>
> I am not bringing other issues peculiar to TN as I think these points are
> enough.
>
> LETS HOPE TAMILIANS CHANGE FOR GOOD.
>
> Ravi Krishna
> rkri...@informix.com
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