Filmed proof that time travel and the building of "time vehicles" is possible

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It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".
After taking one scene, the camera is directed at the crowd that watch
filming. Into the view of it comes a woman. Similarly as women almost
100 years later, she walks while discussing something intensely
through the hand-phone. On the film clearly is visible her hand-phone
and her engagement into the talk. This extraordinary intake remains in
film archives undiscovered for the next over 80 years. After all, in
that times no-one knew what is a hand-phone. Such a telephone is NOT
invented for further 50 years. Only near the end of 2010 a bit more
inquisitive researcher discovers the significance of this scene. The
section of the film containing the scene is fast placed in the
YouTube, while the entire matter is reported to the world via press
agencies. I learned about all this from the article " 'Time traveller'
snapped" published on page A3 of newspaper "The New Zealand Herald",
issue dated on Thursday, October 28, 2010. The next day I viewed also
this scene from the original film available in YouTube at the address
http://www.goo.gl/DLV3 .

The reaction to this objective evidence of the existence of Time
Travellers on the Earth, is typical for arrogant people of 21 century.
The majority of viewers unable to think, hides their embarrassment
with own ignorance in matters of the work of time, in typical manner -
i.e. scoffing sarcastically at the objective proof. In turn these
sparse viewers, who still try to think, decrease the evidential value
of the film by claiming that supposedly this filmed woman could NOT
talk by a hand-phone, as in 1928 still there was no infrastructure on
the Earth which would allow to connect her with the person receiving
her call. Unfortunately, in their negation of the authenticity of that
film, they overlook several obvious possibilities. For example, that
if someone arrives to the past in a time vehicle, then this vehicle is
going to be parked somewhere nearby, and thus it is that vehicle that
can provide the infrastructure needed for connecting the caller to the
receiving person. Or that time vehicles will NOT be build in the Earth
for some time, thus until the time they are completed the hand-phones
may get so much improved, that they may NOT need any present
infrastructure and hardware that links them to the receivers of their
calls.

Of course, enemies of my research will keep silencing or scoffing the
truth presented on the web page "immortality.htm" and stating that if
at a required time I was offered a right conditions for scientific
inquiries and a requires financing for my research, then until today
our civilisation would already have working time vehicles. But
whatever would be the arguments of such enemies of my research, the
fact remains that the filmed proof for the existence of time
travellers, adds itself to a whole array of other evidence which
confirms my rational and well documented explanation, that the
building of time vehicles is possible, while "time travellers" are
already an objective phenomenon on our planet.

My "theory of everything" called the "Concept of Dipolar Gravity"
teaches us, that the principle of shifting back in time and travelling
through time, is very simple. After all, the time through which we
just are living is pre-programmed in our bodies in the natural program
called the "program of life and fate" that is stored in DNA helixes
from our genetic system. In turn the execution control which runs this
program is carried out by shifting the resonance point of vibrations
of these DNA helixes. Therefore, in order to shift us to a different
time, it suffices that our "time vehicle" (see "TM" in part (a) from
"Fig. #G1" on the web page "immortality.htm") surrounds all DNA
helixes contained in our body, with a sphere of very strong pulsating
magnetic field (see "E" in part (a) from "Fig. #G1" on the web page
"immortality.htm"). The frequency of pulsations of this field must be
equal to the resonance frequency of the helixes. Then, by controlling
the frequency of vibrations of this sphere of powerful field, it
suffices to shift the resonance points into a different area of our
"program of life and fate" coded into our DNA helixes. This in turn
shifts us to a different point in time, e.g. again to years of our
youth. How exactly this shifting in time is carried out, is
demonstrated to us already today by "time vehicles" captured on
photographs from parts (b), (c) and (d) of "Fig. #G1" on the web page
named "immortality.htm".

The entire difficulty of completing a "time vehicle" boils down to the
constructing of a device called the "Oscillatory Chamber of the third
generation". This is because such a chamber generates a pulsating
magnetic field that is sufficiently powerful to be able to surround us
tightly with this sphere of the field and penetrate with this field to
every single cell in our body. Its magnetic field is also controlled
sufficiently precisely to allow the simultaneous shifting resonance
points of all DNA from our body to a new time. The majority of
theoretical problems connected with the travelling through time and
with building this "Oscillatory Chamber of the third generation" I
already have resolved. Apart from this web page, my solutions for
these problems are also described on the totaliztic web page named
"timevehicle.htm", as well as in volumes 11 and 2 of my newest
monograph marked as [1/5] (disseminated free of charge from my web
page named "text_1_5.htm"). Thus, almost the only matter still
awaiting the completion to obtain these time vehicles, is the building
of that "Oscillatory Chamber of the third generation".

I am hugely surprised that appeals which I keep repeating continually
since 1985, to allow me build my "time vehicles", remain unanswered
for already over a quarter of century. After all, I invented this
vehicle – so with appropriate support I am also able to build it. Also
internet discussions on my inventions of the "time vehicle", instead
of constructively addressing the subject, typically lower themselves
down to swearing at me by a group of some brainless internet hooligans
- as an example see previously discussed thread about my "time
vehicle" from addresses
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.biology/browse_thread/thread/c36d78644a5075b7#
or
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/browse_thread/thread/f25a51aeecd32f0a#
(in English) as well as
http://groups.google.com/group/pl.sci.filozofia/browse_thread/thread/b633359e93223839#
or
http://groups.google.com/group/pl.sci.inzynieria/browse_thread/thread/6ab685f5184b79b7#
(in Polish). On the other hand my "time vehicle" is able to solve all
problems of our civilization. After all, if for example someone
becomes old, simply can jump into such a "time vehicle" and again
shift to years of his or her youth. If someone get sick, then can
shift back in time and avoid being infected. If someone marries a
wrong person, he or she may get into a time vehicle and shit in time
before the marriage, then marry someone else. If a politician commits
a mistake and starts a war for which his nation later votes him out of
the office, he can sit into his time vehicle and in the new passage of
time do not initiate this war. Etc., etc. On the other hand, I am
getting increasingly old – and thus have increasingly lower chance to
be able to build my "time vehicle". In turn when I finally go, may
pass many centuries before again someone is born with sufficiently
open mind and sufficient inventive skills to be able to build for the
humanity the vehicle so advanced.

* * *

This post summarises the essence of items #D6 and #A2 from the
totaliztic web page named "immortality.htm" (updated on 30 October
2010, or later). Thus, reading the above descriptions would be even
more effective from that web page "immortality.htm" than from this
post, as on the web page are working all (green) links to other
related web pages with additional explanations, it is printed in
colour, it is also illustrated, the content of it is updated
regularly, etc. The latest update of the web page "immortality.htm"
can be viewed, amongst others, at addresses:
http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/immortality.htm
http://totalizm.20fr.com/immortality.htm
http://pigs.20megsfree.com/immortality.htm
http://prism.20fr.com/immortality.htm
http://energia.sl.pl/immortality.htm
http://propulsion.250free.com/immortality.htm (this last address has
a very low "monthly bandwidth" and thus it is active only at
beginnings of each month until its "monthly bandwidth" is exhausted).
Notice that every above web site contains all totaliztic web pages,
including pages "text_1_5.htm". However, volumes 11 and 2 of monograph
[1/5] I would recommend to download from the address http://energia.sl.pl/text_1_5.htm
where this monograph is updated the most frequently.

Each topic which I am subjecting to a public discussion, including
this one, after the discussion is concluded is placed on all blogs of
totalizm still in existence (so that interested readers can find it
fast in there). At the moment two blogs of totalizm still remain
operational, which can be viewed at following internet addresses:
http://totalizm.wordpress.com
http://totalizm.blox.pl/html
It is also worth to have look in there at related posts, e.g. at posts
number #176E, #161E, or #160E which also concern my "time vehicle".

With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak

Androcles

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It is 1928.
=================================
Oh dear, I'm not born, I do not exist. I wonder who is writing this?


bigfl...@gmail.com

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Oct 29, 2010, 10:43:06 PM10/29/10
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Hi Jan,

There are infinite levels of reality, which are in fact, constructs of
the level of consciousness of the inhabitants. (Even modern scientists
speculate on muti dimensional realities)

On a less subtle scale, there are those who are at home in the slums
of Mumbai as there are people on 'nob hill'.Also there is discontent
at both ends of the scale of a 'non materialistic' nature , more on
nob hill in fact.

The established time travellers know that such 'planes' exist within
the bounds of such 'consciousness creation' and need to be respected
as such. A good illustration being the naturalist who ,in the past,
would (through good intentions) interfere with the ebb and flow of
life in the jungle, whereby today, recognise the chain of events
resulting from such interaction, and now observe with awareness and
respect. (The road to hell is paved with good intentions).

Your examples of how people could solve their problems with such a
machine, doesnt take into account that problems are created by the
participants so they can expand their own consciousness.
The reactions to your posts you mentioned, are in fact, appropriate
messages, even if they dont see the significance of their 'roar'.
Approaching an angry injured lion will not be welcomed,regardless of
the motive, because it lives in a world of kill or be killed. A 'true
' patriot' to itspridde (or country).

People on this 'plane' constantly say 'show us the proof', but do not
realise that to master such skills (with or without a machine)
requires a state of consciousness of understanding of the laws of non
interference.

Look at what happens when even useful technology such as atom
splitting is discovered. Countries are still threatening 'oblivion' to
each other using such power.

Just look at how those who made the internal combustion engine
obsolete decades ago (Ive personally met a couple) have been mostly
ruined. Tesla being a good well known example.A large part of the
awakening had to come about because of the emerging sensitivity to the
environment. Far more significant when people move to greater levels.

Some here call this 'the prison planet' .More like the planet of the
"school of hard knocks", graduation from which, is compulsory. We have
to "INDIVIDUALLY" learn to move on (in a state of consciousness).
There are those individuals who believe because they have learned,
they must teach others. They are collectively known as 'martyrs' (I
suspect you have tasted such reality), usually the domain for those in
their final term :-).

BOfL

GO-HERE .NL

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On Oct 30, 3:30 am, JP3 <total...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".
> After taking one scene, the camera is directed at the crowd that watch
> filming. Into the view of it comes a woman. Similarly as women almost
> 100 years later, she walks while discussing something intensely
> through the hand-phone. On the film clearly is visible her hand-phone
> and her engagement into the talk. This extraordinary intake remains in
> film archives undiscovered for the next over 80 years. After all, in
> that times no-one knew what is a hand-phone. Such a telephone is NOT
> invented for further 50 years. Only near the end of 2010 a bit more
> inquisitive researcher discovers the significance of this scene. The
> section of the film containing the scene is fast placed in the
> YouTube, while the entire matter is reported to the world via press
> agencies. I learned about all this from the article " 'Time traveller'
> snapped" published on page A3 of newspaper "The New Zealand Herald",
> issue dated on Thursday, October 28, 2010. The next day I viewed also
> this scene from the original film available in YouTube at the addresshttp://www.goo.gl/DLV3 .
> vehicle" from addresseshttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.biology/browse_thread/thread/c36d7...
> orhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/browse_thread/thr...
> (in English) as well ashttp://groups.google.com/group/pl.sci.filozofia/browse_thread/thread/...
> orhttp://groups.google.com/group/pl.sci.inzynieria/browse_thread/thread...

> (in Polish). On the other hand my "time vehicle" is able to solve all
> problems of our civilization. After all, if for example someone
> becomes old, simply can jump into such a "time vehicle" and again
> shift to years of his or her youth. If someone get sick, then can
> shift back in time and avoid being infected. If someone marries a
> wrong person, he or she may get into a time vehicle and shit in time
> before the marriage, then marry someone else. If a politician commits
> a mistake and starts a war for which his nation later votes him out of
> the office, he can sit into his time vehicle and in the new passage of
> time do not initiate this war. Etc., etc. On the other hand, I am
> getting increasingly old – and thus have increasingly lower chance to
> be able to build my "time vehicle". In turn when I finally go, may
> pass many centuries before again someone is born with sufficiently
> open mind and sufficient inventive skills to be able to build for the
> humanity the vehicle so advanced.
>
> * * *
>
> This post summarises the essence of items #D6 and #A2 from the
> totaliztic web page named "immortality.htm" (updated on 30 October
> 2010, or later). Thus, reading the above descriptions would be even
> more effective from that web page "immortality.htm" than from this
> post, as on the web page are working all (green) links to other
> related web pages with additional explanations, it is printed in
> colour, it is also illustrated, the content of it is updated
> regularly, etc. The latest update of the web page "immortality.htm"
> can be viewed, amongst others, at addresses:http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/immortality.htmhttp://totalizm.20fr.com/immortality.htmhttp://pigs.20megsfree.com/immortality.htmhttp://prism.20fr.com/immortality.htmhttp://energia.sl.pl/immortality.htmhttp://propulsion.250free.com/immortality.htm (this last address has

> a very low "monthly bandwidth" and thus it is active only at
> beginnings of each month until its "monthly bandwidth" is exhausted).
> Notice that every above web site contains all totaliztic web pages,
> including pages "text_1_5.htm". However, volumes 11 and 2 of monograph
> [1/5] I would recommend to download from the address  http://energia.sl.pl/text_1_5.htm
> where this monograph is updated the most frequently.
>
> Each topic which I am subjecting to a public discussion, including
> this one, after the discussion is concluded is placed on all blogs of
> totalizm still in existence (so that interested readers can find it
> fast in there). At the moment two blogs of totalizm still remain
> operational, which can be viewed at following internet addresses:http://totalizm.wordpress.comhttp://totalizm.blox.pl/html

> It is also worth to have look in there at related posts, e.g. at posts
> number #176E, #161E, or #160E which also concern my "time vehicle".
>
> With the totaliztic salute,
> Jan Pajak

Fascinating stuff,

I suggest you make and add some more illustrations then eventually
(over time) create some kind of documentary film.

Then there will always be people accusing others of believing
everything on face value while drawing attention to the idea.... eh I
mean the technology.

This is my favorite inventor. The video explains everything.

http://www.boonsburg.com/

Heck, forget about peer review, this is the way to present innovation
and discovery.

Look what impressive physics demonstration.

http://www.boonsburg.com/video/Giant_Egg_05.wmv

Giga2

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On 30 Oct, 02:30, JP3 <total...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".
> After taking one scene, the camera is directed at the crowd that watch
> filming. Into the view of it comes a woman. Similarly as women almost
> 100 years later, she walks while discussing something intensely
> through the hand-phone.

Apparently could be a hearing aid made by I think Siemens in 1924.

Zerkon

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Oct 30, 2010, 6:05:14 AM10/30/10
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:30:42 -0700, JP3 wrote:

> The reaction to this objective evidence of the existence of Time
> Travellers on the Earth

Let's say this YouTube responder is lying:

"The woman is Audrey Manningham. I know her great grandson, who told me
she was 62 years old at the time and the device was not a phone but a
hair comb she was placing back in position. Audrey was suffering from
dementia at the time she was at the Circus release. The man in front of
her was George Manningham, her husband. She was talking to herself."

.. and proceed with a line of common logic since time travel seems to be
yet another deep secret shared by only an enlightened few (who have
enemies)...

First a absolute present needs to be established. If time travel has been
discovered in the future or past it would follow that this would be known
in all time moments or ages since millions or billions of people would
have t-traveled or will already be t-traveling.

It seems you are claiming the 'present' moment is the one and only only
present. If t-travel is possible, a singular present is impossible.
Bottom line: If time travel has been or was discovered it would not be
some dark secret.

Jonathan

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> It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".


Going back in time means being able to put an eggshell back
together again. When you can do that, I'll listen.
Plus, our existence means this universe makes sense.
A universe where one could travel back in time wouldn't
behave sensibly.

It's more likely that fellow was cursing to himself how
much his ear hurts.


Jonathan

anynomous2

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Technology obviously has it's limits. Some things may never be
possible, time travel is one of them, interstellar and intergalactic
travel may be another.

There are many other things that technology will probably never
accomplish like human teleportation, gravity shielding and
neutralizing devices, mimetic polyalloy robots which are able to
regenerate after having been reduced to pieces like T-1000 and T-1001
or humans having Superman powers.

TruthSlave

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JP3 wrote:
> It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".
> After taking one scene, the camera is directed at the crowd that watch
> filming. Into the view of it comes a woman. Similarly as women almost
> 100 years later, she walks while discussing something intensely
> through the hand-phone. On the film clearly is visible her hand-phone
> and her engagement into the talk. This extraordinary intake remains in
> film archives undiscovered for the next over 80 years. After all, in
> that times no-one knew what is a hand-phone. Such a telephone is NOT
> invented for further 50 years. Only near the end of 2010 a bit more
> inquisitive researcher discovers the significance of this scene. The
> section of the film containing the scene is fast placed in the
> YouTube, while the entire matter is reported to the world via press
> agencies. I learned about all this from the article " 'Time traveller'
> snapped" published on page A3 of newspaper "The New Zealand Herald",
> issue dated on Thursday, October 28, 2010. The next day I viewed also
> this scene from the original film available in YouTube at the address
> http://www.goo.gl/DLV3 .


Ha Ha. Let me get this straight, we are to assume the behavior
we now associated to the use of a mobile phone, is to be explained
only in terms of our current technology, and then assert that this
is proof of Time Travel?

You are either saying that a/ time travel exist now along with
our crude mobile phone technology, or b/ that future communication
technology won't be much more advance than it is now.

One could just as easily isolate that apparent behavior and look
for the many other causes, or associations to that behavior. But
then this is so typical. We would sooner select our answers from
what we know, before we consider the deficiencies in those apparent
answers.

Put another way, we don't really know what that woman was doing,
We can't really tell for sure, but rather than admit to not knowing,
we would sooner select an answer from those answers we do know.
We can't admit to the unknown.

What else could you associate that woman's apparent behavior to?
Maybe this woman was a little mad, talking to herself, whilst
trying to hide that fact by holding her hand to her head. Maybe
she was partially deaf, and had the latest technology for the
deaf, one of those new fangled 'ear trumpets'. A middle class
technology promoted with the media of its day, only to be sported
in public the way our early brick mobiles were sported amoungst
the well-to-do.

No, i guess it must be time travel, if we can't conceive of more
credible answers.

GO-HERE .NL

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Oct 31, 2010, 9:36:35 AM10/31/10
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People have envisioned small devices of all kinds long before they
existed.

Ada Mae, Pattie, and Nathan Stubblefield with portable wireless
telephone receiver, 1907
http://www.nathanstubblefield.com/images/wireless_receiver.gif

21 years shouldn't be enough to envision a mobile phone??? Just like
today we cant imagine a phone in a wrist watch?

But just to entertain the thought of time travel.

Howabout this one?

http://edison.rutgers.edu/webimages/elecar.jpg

Clearly something wrong with temporal logic,

If we assume humans to be rational animals time travel would be the
only explanation.

Sam Wormley

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Oct 31, 2010, 9:50:56 AM10/31/10
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I always wanted a camera without lenses or restricted aperture. For
example, a frame--like looking through a window, capturing the view
as an image.


Androcles

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"GO-HERE .NL" <gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Howabout this one?

http://edison.rutgers.edu/webimages/elecar.jpg

==================================================
From Kitty Hawk to the Moon in 63 years...that's less time than most
contributors to physics newsgroups have lived. JP3 can get back
to alt.paranormal, he's deranged.

GO-HERE .NL

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we cant even make such simple things - hah

Androcles

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=========================================
Sounds like the wormlet wants a flat-screen TV or monitor.


GO-HERE .NL

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On Oct 31, 3:04 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_aa>
wrote:
> "GO-HERE .NL" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> telephone receiver, 1907http://www.nathanstubblefield.com/images/wireless_receiver.gif

>
> 21 years shouldn't be enough to envision a mobile phone??? Just like
> today we cant imagine a phone in a wrist watch?
>
> But just to entertain the thought of time travel.
>
> Howabout this one?
>
> http://edison.rutgers.edu/webimages/elecar.jpg
>
> Clearly something wrong with temporal logic,
>
> If we assume humans to be rational animals time travel would be the
> only explanation.
> ==================================================
> From Kitty Hawk to the Moon in 63 years...that's less time than most
> contributors to physics newsgroups have lived. JP3 can get back
> to alt.paranormal, he's deranged.

You kidding? People in alt paranormal don't believe in time travel.
Time travel is perhaps the most practical application of Einstein's
theory of relativity.

Self powering devices NO, but black holes, times pace, time travel,
god particles etc etc those are "soh 'good' physics - oh"

How make the Tipler plumbing in the Kerr-Newman Hole, that is the big
question.

Assuming all the math isn't bat shit ins.... ehh I mean isn't wrong.

You need two micro singularities to make the ring singularity. Each
micro singularity is manipulated by carefully injecting electrons onto
its surface.

Then while on the "road" one would need at least 6 caesium clocks to
get some idea of time trajectory. Or we wouldn't have a clue where we
are. I'm sure you can imagine before- and after time aren't really
worth visiting.

Anyway, people in alt.paranormal wouldn't know how to appreciate such
advanced physics.

Might even laugh at you.

Androcles

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"GO-HERE .NL" <gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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===========================================
Sure they do. Ghosties and ghoulies, reincarnation, ectoplasm/aether,
clairvoyance, scientific predictions, saints, prophets, gods,
Nostradumbarse, teleportation, they'll take in any shit you feed 'em, they
are amost as crazy as relativists.

Time travel is perhaps the most practical application of Einstein's
theory of relativity.

===========================================
That's what kicked it off.
'Really, this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some people
who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It is only
another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between Time and any
of the three dimensions of Space except that our consciousness moves along
with it.' -- Herbert George Wells - "The Time Machine" - 1895.

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Einstein

He was 16 years old when he read that, just the right age to get a hard-on
for time.

Self powering devices NO, but black holes, times pace, time travel,
god particles etc etc those are "soh 'good' physics - oh"

How make the Tipler plumbing in the Kerr-Newman Hole, that is the big
question.

Assuming all the math isn't bat shit ins.... ehh I mean isn't wrong.

You need two micro singularities to make the ring singularity. Each
micro singularity is manipulated by carefully injecting electrons onto
its surface.

Then while on the "road" one would need at least 6 caesium clocks to
get some idea of time trajectory. Or we wouldn't have a clue where we
are. I'm sure you can imagine before- and after time aren't really
worth visiting.

Anyway, people in alt.paranormal wouldn't know how to appreciate such
advanced physics.

Might even laugh at you.

=========================================
Dunno about that, people in alt.paranormal are twice as intelligent as
people in sci.physics.relativity. Halfwits are definitely smarter than
dimwits, who are infinitely smarter than nitwits. Doesn't take a mental
gymnast to figure out an IQ ratio of 2: 1: 0.

--
Peer reviewed publication.

< http://ivanik3.narod.ru/TimeLifeMezon/301-305Nature.pdf >

Bailey, Borer et. al:
tau = tau0 / [(1-v^2/c^2)^{1/2}] = gamma.tau0
Einstein: tau = t * [(1-v^2/c^2)^{1/2}] =
<http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img61.gif>

Somebody doesn't know multiplication from division.
Somebody is cooking the books to get the result they want.
Somebody is LYING.
While no theory can be proven, it can be disproven by example.
Bailey, Borer et. al. have DISPROVEN relativity.

So much for peer-review.
So much for the editor of "Nature".
Safer to trust a crop circle is made by little green men from Mars to
cause global warming.

GO-HERE .NL

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Yes, but why would they do that? (the little green men)

Androcles

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"GO-HERE .NL" <gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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See the Gaby de Wilde essay on the art of pretending.
A better question to ask is why anyone would pretend the mean-life
of a muon is 2.2 usec but dilates to 64 usec, and why a "respectable"
(pretend) pop magazine with a pretentious name like "Nature" would
publish it.
Who laid the first muon to rest on the lab. bench and callously watched
it die, when it could have lived a full life if it had only been given some
speed?
Pretending goes way beyond usenet, someone has to pay for CERN
and the missing Higgs boson. Building pyramids for tombs is cheaper.
Do you know of a way to force these Neanderthals to be sane?


Immortalist

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I like that theory because if it was a wireless phone and it was taken
back in time, what "network" would connect with?

bert

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In the 30s Flash Gordon talked to Ming seeing him on a TV moniter. TV
did not come out untill 1946. It relates to this post TreBert

TruthSlave

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If we assume human beings never lie, are incapable of deception,
and would never pull the wool over our collective eyes, then
you might well take that image on appearance, and then make that
next giant leap of logic and reasoning, to look for explanations
in time travel. After all the same kind of reasoning works for
UFO's right?

Of course these days the technology to manipulate the image is
within the realm of anyone with the guile to do so. In fact
before photo shop there was the more laborious tools of photo-
montage, which as an art form forced us to question the credence
we give to the image.

These days we take our bits and bytes on appearance and wont
see any need to question the transience of our apparent
histories. We are what we believe, or what we can be made to
believe.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_montage

TruthSlave

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Of course if we take the image to be truthful, which it may well
be, then there's the question of how we interpret the image.

Put another way do we bring assumptions to the image which reflect
our current mode of thought?

That photo promoting the early electric battery, isn't about an
electric car, but the use of a battery to provide power for
other functions of the car. This might simply be the lights,
the ignition system, the sparking system, or even an early
starter motor. We though seeing the word 'endurance' assume an
'obvious' reason for the conjunction of Battery and Car.

Immortalist

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You mean the phone and the network came back in time?

TruthSlave

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And finally...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#1890s_to_1900s:_Early_history

Assuming the image and the history and the interpretation to be
correct, there is a question of the technology and it limited,
possibly stifled progress. With oil apparently being limitless
and the petrol engine a proven concept, the evolution of this
virgin technology took a different path, so that one possible
future for this motor vehicle was curtailed by factors we now
accept as the market.

From a multiplicity of probable designs only a few were deemed
tenable. Now however we are in the position of playing catch-up.

Does that image still support a theory of time travel? Or does it
merely show the backwards progress we've made with a particular
technology.

ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com

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Actually the first public demonstration of TV was in 1926.

There was broadcasting in the 30's, but general deployment of TV essentially
stoped with the outbreak of WWII and didn't restart until the war was over.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Giga2

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> telephone receiver, 1907http://www.nathanstubblefield.com/images/wireless_receiver.gif

>
> 21 years shouldn't be enough to envision a mobile phone??? Just like
> today we cant imagine a phone in a wrist watch?


No need to imagine, they are on sale.

Giga2

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The eye has about a 6mp resolution. The equivalent of a 50mm lens will
give you pretty close to the eyes view.

Giga2

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Not sure I find that argument convincing as future communication
devices may work in a different way than now. Indeed ideally a time
traveler might want a 'time-phone', so they could keep in touch with
home even when away! However it does look like it could be that
hearing aid, and perhaps she is testing it having just bought it?
Isn't it the World Fair or something, the sort of place where people
might buy 'cutting edge' technology? And she is clearly in the hearing
aid demographic.

bigfl...@gmail.com

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It was a Chaplin movie. She may have copped a custard pie in the ear,
and she was saving it for later ;-)

What it does show, is the receptivity of people for the extraordinary.

It is thirty or more years since I speculated that man cannot imagine
something outside of creation. In that sense, imagination is a branch
of time travel.

In the practical sense, and taking up your point, if it does become a
reality, it already has, and the technology would either be either
brain modification, or the development of the telepathic ability.

Some interesting and highly qualified whistle blowers have suggested
that the discovered technology from crashed UFO's have connections
between the navigation seat and the brain of the navigator.

Frank Herbert based much of his Dune series on the 'melange' (drugs)
that were necessary for such brain stimulation.

When you study the reports of some ancient cultures, there are many
references to 'flying' after certain rituals involving certain herbs.

BOfL

Sam Wormley

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Agreed--What I "concentrate on" is better represented by 85mm, 90mm
and 135mm local lengths using a 35mm film format.


Zinnic

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On Nov 1, 5:38 am, "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com>

wrote:
>
> > > > > It is 1928. Charlie Chaplin makes his movie entitled "The Circus".
> > > > > After taking one scene, the camera is directed at the crowd that watch
> > > > > filming. Into the view of it comes a woman. Similarly as women almost
> > > > > 100 years later, she walks while discussing something intensely
> > > > > through the hand-phone.

> It was a Chaplin movie. She may have copped a custard pie in the ear,


> and she was saving it for later ;-)

Z: I know how you hate it, but now is question (and future answer?)
time !!!

Brian: > What it does show, is the receptivity of people for the
extraordinary.

Z :Does'nt it show the interest of people (including sceptics) in
extraordinary claims to explain the merely mundane?

Brian: > It is thirty or more years since I speculated that man cannot


imagine
> something outside of creation. In that sense, imagination is a branch
> of time travel.

Z: Most thinking "people' have had the same specuation. Do you really
think it worthy of mention?
Would you stretch the same 'sense' to include memory as "a branch of
time travel"?

Brian: > In the practical sense, and taking up your point, if it does


become a
> reality, it already has, and the technology would either be either
> brain modification, or the development of the telepathic ability.

Z: What do you mean by "if it does become a reality, it already
has,..."?

Brian: > Some interesting and highly qualified whistle blowers have


suggested
> that the discovered technology from crashed UFO's have  connections
> between the navigation seat and the brain of the navigator.

Z:Is it possible that there are connections between the 'seat' and
the brain of the "interesting and highly qualified whistle blowers"?

Brian: > Frank Herbert based much of his Dune series on the
'melange' (drugs)

Z: What is your excuse?

Have a G'day
Zinnic


> that were necessary for such brain stimulation.
>
> When you study the reports of some ancient cultures, there are many
> references to 'flying' after certain rituals involving certain herbs.
>

> BOfL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

GO-HERE .NL

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On Oct 31, 9:05 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_aa>

I think they just want people to sit there in fully flexed amazement.
How this happens isn't so important to the bottom line. I also have
this theory they expect their more intelligent subscriber to only
watch pictures. But have no reliable source to prove it.

> Who laid the first muon to rest on the lab. bench and callously watched
> it die, when it could have lived a full life if it had only been given some
> speed?
> Pretending goes way beyond usenet, someone has to pay for CERN
> and the missing Higgs boson. Building pyramids for tombs is cheaper.

I think it is a kind of victory parade to show greed has finally
defeated sanity.

I'm sure there is also some kind of y-prize for staging the biggest
hoax.

> Do you know of a way to force these Neanderthals to be sane?

Now that is a really good question.

We are getting better questions all the time.

I thought about it for a bit and came up with a large variety of
solutions.

One could use media headlies.

- Terrorists attacking our scientific institutions.
- Scientists covertly injecting communist propaganda into text books.
- Airborne virus pandamnic eating peoples brain. Scientists
quarantined around the globe.

Ahhhhh now I've got it!

It should all be classified for international security purposes.

That way we could indefinitely get rid of all the bullshit without the
celebrity scientists lusing face. Some would feel totally rescued 'n
people would totally buy it. Einsteins work is to dangerous to just
put it in the public domain. You have any idea how dangerous time
travel is?

On the up side, humans just need to do all kinds of stupid shit, they
need to keep at it until they can see how stupid it is before doing
it. Even the way you die a little inside just looking at it. It's all
part of the collective learning process.

Like back when we worshiped gods.... or wait...

Giga2

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In another thread there has been the discussion of the neuron
stimulation tech which can be used a crude for of 'thought control'.
So it seems very likely that we will develope such technology
eventually ourselves.

Giga2

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yep

Androcles

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"GO-HERE .NL" <gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Isn't the whole idea of watching a girl sawn in half (while hidden
in a box) to figure out how the illusion is done? Not a drop of blood
is spilt and she emerges whole again.
Your choices are:
1) Leave the theatre believing it really happened.
2) Leave the theatre not believing it really happened,
but not having any explanation.
3) Leave the theatre with an extravagant but wrong theory, the girl
had detachable robotic feet.
4) Leave the theatre with the correct solution, there are two girls.

If 3) or 4) prove it!
To do that, you'll need a girl, a saw and a box. The box is the
more expensive component and the girl will require payment.

This may be entertaining to children but the honest magician
advertises himself as a magician making an honest living as an
entertainer, not as a dishonest or gullible scientist bent on
deception for deception's sake in his quest for prestige.
The magician is not a fraud, the dishonest scientist is.


> Who laid the first muon to rest on the lab. bench and callously watched
> it die, when it could have lived a full life if it had only been given
> some
> speed?
> Pretending goes way beyond usenet, someone has to pay for CERN
> and the missing Higgs boson. Building pyramids for tombs is cheaper.

I think it is a kind of victory parade to show greed has finally
defeated sanity.

I'm sure there is also some kind of y-prize for staging the biggest
hoax.

===========================================
It's called the ignoble "Nobel" prize.


> Do you know of a way to force these Neanderthals to be sane?

Now that is a really good question.

We are getting better questions all the time.

I thought about it for a bit and came up with a large variety of
solutions.

One could use media headlies.

- Terrorists attacking our scientific institutions.
- Scientists covertly injecting communist propaganda into text books.
- Airborne virus pandamnic eating peoples brain. Scientists
quarantined around the globe.

Ahhhhh now I've got it!

It should all be classified for international security purposes.

That way we could indefinitely get rid of all the bullshit without the
celebrity scientists lusing face. Some would feel totally rescued 'n
people would totally buy it. Einsteins work is to dangerous to just
put it in the public domain. You have any idea how dangerous time
travel is?

On the up side, humans just need to do all kinds of stupid shit, they
need to keep at it until they can see how stupid it is before doing
it. Even the way you die a little inside just looking at it. It's all
part of the collective learning process.

Like back when we worshiped gods.... or wait...

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Take the test:
http://www.i-cynic.com/quiz.asp
My score is 16/15.

Paul Cardinale

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A cell phone in 1928 wouldn't work because there was no infrastructure
to support it (i.e. zero bars).
The woman is holding her hand near her head, but her ear is clearly
visible, so she isn't holding anything next to her ear;
ergo she isn't listening to something that she's holding.

Paul Cardinale

Fabrizio J Bonsignore

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There are other explanations... including the SUPRESSION of OUR
advanced technology for... CENTURIES... That easy. I ve found LOTS of
evidence about it, even considering accepted History dating is
right...But I have worse troubles, like several people of mine
murdered because some other people do NOT want to admit I composed X
and programmed Y and the casualties knew it... So somebody else is
taking a LOT of credit for it! Just imagine for some military
technology like cellular telephony... the credit some people can get
of it if they *discover* it for the mass when it was hidden for
centuries for the family only...

Danilo J Bonsignore

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