Atoms
Thomas Heger
i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to explain
my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies, the idea of
atoms could be changed.
A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton where
one thing, it would look like an atom.
I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call the
mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future. I do follow this
from the properties of symmetry of quaternions. Those are scewsymmetric,
hence can develop only in one direction. The other directions are blocked by
the neighbours. Those are alligned spacelike and spacelike direction is
symmetric. The twisting mass-term influences the neighbourhood in spacelike
direction too, but the neighbours kick back. This is like a gear in a
giantic gearbox turning a lot of other gears instantanious. Only in timelike
direction it doesn't. But the mass twist that neighbourhood anyhow and the
twist return to their starting point in a bow. In a space plus time view,
you may see this as a little ball moving through time.
Thomas Heger
Sam Wormley
Does your model explain the wavelengths of the hydrogen spectral lines?
Thomas Heger
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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In pinciple yes, but I cant figuere it out by now. I can tell you how to do
that and you do.
Its difficult, because I'm not shure about the geometry of that picuture and
there are still too many loose ends.
Thomas Heger
Sam Wormley
Does your model predict the two different types of diatomic hydrogen
molecules that differ by the relative spin of their nuclei?
Thomas Heger
> Does your model predict the two different types of diatomic hydrogen
> molecules that differ by the relative spin of their nuclei?
I usually do not quote myself, but I'm too lazy to write that down again.
And yes, I think you would get different spectra for different spin.
Its only geometry, so it would be possible to calculate all those relations,
but I'm not that far and I'm still looking for a kind of tool to visualize
that and do some math. I started do something with mathlab, but I'm not good
enough now.
The idea is quite weird so be warned:
"Hi Ng
I had this strange idea, that I want to tell you about:
imagine a quaternion spinning. How would that evolve?
It is four-dimensional and an imaginary complex number. Unlike our real
world
it has the feature of being scewsymmetric. That means, it could rotate in a
strange way. Imagine this to have close neighbours. They could rotate in the
same direction, but they don't block each other like gears in a gearbox
would
do. The circles around a hyperballs are hypermeridians and look more like
the number eight. The axis of spin shall be called timelike. A kind of
'fluid' could rotate around that axis but you couldn't see. Its like the
rotation on the other side of the time axis is going backwards. It is not
totally symmetric, but some tiny net effect is caused. (Those wiggles I call
fluctuations.)
The quaternion has three other axis, they are symmetric and called
spacelike.
Because spacelike rotation is symmetric, the neighbours disturb the
rotation. They are like gears in a gearbox, hence are twisted. The
disturbance I call for some reason a kick. The rotating quaternion is called
an object. This is because the object is assumed to last in time.
It carries some energy in the form of this invisible rotation. It kicks the
outside, but the outside don't want to have that, because it cannot keep it.
So the outside kicks back. This goes in and out and in and out.
Under some circumstances the kicks find something else to kick and kick
that. In that case the energy can build a path through this kind of space
and the spacelike sum over all those kicks that second and object twist it
in a new way.
Say it would rotate in the same direction, it will be pushed away. If it
rotates in opposite direction it will get a negative push or will be
attracted. (This effect is like charge.)
Sometimes the neighbours get bored and create an object themselves and kick
that away. The object is falling apart. (This is like radioactivity)
Now imagine an object having no neighbours. It will simply create them by
falling apart and kicking the pieces away. But then it has and they shuffle
back the rotation like unwanted gifts. It can only evolve in one direction;
it's the timelike axis. There it can create neighbours as a clone of itself.
It does, but than its gone and only the clone exist. This effect I call for
some reason the flow of time.
Those objects could now build a kind of lattice. In this case the rotation
does not need to be returned all the time. The kicks find a way of diagonal
neighbouring objects that are able to take their influences. Those lattices
are stable too.
If we apply some chaos to this picture it will look like disturbance of this
kind of lattices. The knots are wiggling along their timepath. (This effect
I call heat.)
Along the timepath the rotation looks like a screw. It has kind of ripples.
The disturbance of the neighbours is assumed to be done by those ripples,
what makes the influences a bit discontinuous. The part of energy sent away
I
call radiation. It is spinning around the spacelike axis. This is some
unwanted feature to those quaternions, since they have to twist their
neighbours. So this radiation paces away from its origin.
It is done all in the same manner. Its not actually speed, since now I have
no notation of time. Its only even in a more abstract sense. To have time I
need an observer. That observer counts the ripples on some screws and gives
a
certain number the name 'one second'.
Now we look at some lumps of those lattices. The path through those lattices
is a tiny bit longer since the objects are rotating. That makes the
influence having a longer path within the lattice than outside. In total its
is slowed down by some amount proportional to the intensity of the rotations
on the way. That disturbs the even evolution on the timepath a bit. It
drags the overall symmetry a bit to the side. This effect is called
curvature. Those lumps are called matter. (Together this is like gravity.)"
From 'quaternionic kicks'
For some reason, I started to think, that does look like an atom. I even
think about cristalls, were you could think about those ''kicks' rush in a
kind of diagonal way, creating nodes as specific spots in a lattice. Those
would wiggle because of heat. Its interesting that this is not the heat of
the object but of spacetime.
Thomas Heger
Y.Porat
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Have you ever heared about the
'Chain of orbitals' idea ??......
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
> "Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:_QfNj.122164$yE1.16109@attbi_s21...
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a' chain of orbitals' (as any chain or string )
can vibrate in different frequencis....
ATB
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Eric Gisse
...and how do you know what frequencies they vibrate at?
>
> ATB
> Y.Porat
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Randy Poe
It would have been shorter to just say, "no, my model does
not make any numerical predictions, of the hydrogen spectrum
or of anything else."
- Randy
Thomas Heger
>...and how do you know what frequencies they vibrate at?
The model is 'tuned' by known numbers. There is c, what is the proportional
factor of timetrack to spacetrack.
Then there is the number h.
First I want to describe the concept of energy in that model. I use a
simplyfied contravariant form to make relations possible to imagine. An
element is a representative of a relation of timelike and spacelike
distances of very near neighbours. That has four dimensions and could be
modelled by a quaternion. Quaternions have a scalar part and three imaginary
parts. The way of getting from one state to an other one should be modelled
by quaternion twist. The formular is w= z. v. z^-1.
A sequence of quaternions on a timelike path should form a screw. It has the
strange property of handness and in our world allmost everything is
lefthanded.
Those quaternions build such a screw. They are assumned to rotate by a
number that is not energy, because that unit is not defined by now. You need
an observer to do that. That observer counts the windings of such a screw
and defines a second as number of such countings at a specific process. Now
you have a definition of time and length. That lenght you need to define an
area on a hyperplane, what is a volume to the observer. The intensity of
rotation is related to energy by that definition of time. In that
time-defining process you sum intensities over an area and call that eV i.e.
You multiply that with the smallest amount of time (one winding of that
screw) and get an action. This is in that picture the product of an
hyperarea with a lenth of one screwwinding. For obvious reasons the action
of a prcess is hitting an observer at some distance discontinuous. Its like
a rotating pointer hitting the oberver every round. So h describes some
features of those kind of screws in general. Since h and the energy of a
caesium ray photon are known numbers, you are now able to tune the hole
model.
You dont know the intensity of 'confinement' of energy into a mass yet. But
that is easy, since you have the ratio of mass of electron to that of the
hole hydrogen atom, what is the 'strenght' of that confinement.
With all those relations you now able to predict diffenrent frequencies for
different masses.
Please don't ask me for precise predictions now. I can only show that that
is possible in principle, but I cant figuere it out.
Thomas Heger
Sam Wormley
>
> Please don't ask me for precise predictions now. I can only show that
> that is possible in principle, but I cant figuere it out.
>
> Thomas Heger
>
>
Dang--You broke another bullshit meter!
Thomas Heger
didn't want to supply some predictions, but wanted check the possibility to
think in the way I described.
Thomas Heger
Sam Wormley
You throw words around that make no sense together... but most damming
is that your "theory" makes no testable quantitative predictions! Not one!
You sound like a bullshitter, you smell like a bullshitter... What you
have offered this newsgroup is bullshit!
Now it could be a failure to communicate.... but it sounds like you have
little or no physics/math education and are just bullshitting with word
salad and mixed fragments of poor physical understanding.
Thomas Heger
"Thomas Heger" <hba...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
>
>>...and how do you know what frequencies they vibrate at?
to 'heat up' an atom and than let it emit some radiation. The radiation has
geometric properties, that are influenced by various factors not yet cuvered
in this simple model.
But you can see, that spin has an influence. This is because the modell is a
modell of spacetime of GR. Empty spacetime should have properties of
handness too. That would mean, twisting clockwise or counterclockwise would
make a difference.
Since its a spacetime model, the term heat belongs to spacetime itself. You
can regard that as measure for the average unallignement of worldlines. The
possibilitiy to have that comes from the way, this space is generated. It is
described in the thread ' a programm' and 'Lambda' in
sci.physics.relativity.
Thomas Heger
Thomas Heger
>>>
>>> Dang--You broke another bullshit meter!
>>>
>> You think the idea is bullshit? Please let me know what is wrong with it.
>> I didn't want to supply some predictions, but wanted check the
>> possibility to think in the way I described.
>>
>> Thomas Heger
>
> You throw words around that make no sense together... but most damming
> is that your "theory" makes no testable quantitative predictions! Not
> one!
> You sound like a bullshitter, you smell like a bullshitter... What you
> have offered this newsgroup is bullshit!
>
>>
>
modell.
The main idea is to think of something small, that you can sum-up to
spacetime of GR. I call that elements and now I'm playing around with that
idea. I do this by making statements of various kind and see, how people
react. This has positive influence on the development of the idea. First: I
write down my ideas and second : I get some ractions to think about.
I really try to understand every hint, once its given. Read whats in reach
and develop the idea further. Since you don't seem to be convinced I now
have something to think about.
Thomas Heger
>
Sam Wormley
General relativity is not suited to the world of the atom.... But the
quantum mechanics is....
Here's an assignment.... look at some summary articles... heck look at
Wikipedia concerning the history and applicability of general relativity
and the quantum mechanics. You want to think about hydrogen atoms... see
what tools are currently used.
-Sam
Thomas Heger
> General relativity is not suited to the world of the atom.... But the
> quantum mechanics is....
>
Thats a common believe. My idea about that: they were looking for a hundred
years now for a soloution of the problem how to build spacetime out of
quants. They could in fact succed, but they can't say, this long and intense
search with no result is an argument in favor of quantum-gravity.
My model is based on relativity. In fact all I wanted was a modell for
relativity. I was using that ballon model for quite a while until I was so
used to that, that it was a great supprise when someone said, that is crap.
I was trained to that picture and didn' t want to give it up. So I tried to
convince that physicist. But he said crap stays crap.
That was tough. So I collected arguments in favor of my own view. What I
actually found was very supprising. It worked far better than expected and
advanced once I heard of quaternions. I found them quite fitting to GR and
turned and twisted that model to many sides. Now I can find a lot of
connections to real physics. In this thread its about atoms. It was not may
aim to develop a model of atoms, but I thought, that does look like an atom.
So why not try that.
My idea is very odd and has allmost no connections to common physics. So
most people think I'm insane, but I don't believe I am. It would take you
some time, to understand what I'm talking about. So try to take that time,
print out one of my postings and look at it in a month. The reason for this
is, that my idea requires a special way of thinking, that is against most
fundamental believes. In my view the relation between reality and the
imaginary is flipped. I call spacetime reality and quantumphysics the
physics of observations. So I do not atempt to construct spacetime out of
quants, but try to find them inside my model. The model is not spacetime.
The relation is difficult. GR is a kind of sum over those elements and
idealised in a certain way.
Thomas Heger
Uncle Al
>
> Hi Ng
> i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
Do you have a problem with quantum mechanics, molecular orbital
theory, x-ray crystallography, neutron crystallography, field emission
microscopy, atomic force microscopy, spectroscopy, spectrometry, and
scattering experiments eV to TeV...
> You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to explain
> my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies, the idea of
> atoms could be changed.
...including quadrupole spectrometry, hyperfine spectroscopic
transitions; Zeemann and Stark effects.
> A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton where
> one thing, it would look like an atom.
> I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call the
> mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future.
[snip remaining crap]
1.4204057517667 GHz That's 14 significant figures *measured*,
agreeing with theory, jackass.
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
Thomas Heger
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ng
>> i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
>
> Do you have a problem with quantum mechanics, molecular orbital
> theory, x-ray crystallography, neutron crystallography, field emission
> microscopy, atomic force microscopy, spectroscopy, spectrometry, and
> scattering experiments eV to TeV...
Not at all. My idea is that you could regard quantumphysics as physics of
observations. It deeply depends on some definitions that only an observer
could provide: time, length, fields, particles, charge ...
I wanted to build a modell without all of those and find them within. In
fact I found allmost anything you can imagin, but this is about atoms.
If you try to find i.e time in spacetime without an observer, you get in
deep trouble. Same with the concept of fields, what is mainly something
distributing in space. But no space means no fields.
Thomas Heger
Thomas Heger
>
> My idea is very odd and has allmost no connections to common physics. So
> most people think I'm insane, but I don't believe I am. It would take you
> some time, to understand what I'm talking about. So try to take that time,
> print out one of my postings and look at it in a month. The reason for
> this is, that my idea requires a special way of thinking, that is against
> most fundamental believes. In my view the relation between reality and the
> imaginary is flipped. I call spacetime reality and quantumphysics the
> physics of observations. So I do not atempt to construct spacetime out of
> quants, but try to find them inside my model. The model is not spacetime.
> The relation is difficult. GR is a kind of sum over those elements and
> idealised in a certain way.
>
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00003986/01/elsevier2.pdf
"The epistemological lesson that can be learned from the impossibility to
determine the one-way velocity of light and the immediate implication that
simultaneity is conventional demonstrates that every time when we arrive at
a vicious circle some of our views should be drastically changed. And indeed
the fact that the one-way velocity of light and simultaneity of distant
events
are conventional has turned out to have a profound meaning - reality is a
four-dimensional world represented by Minkowski spacetime. There are no
moving light signals or three-dimensional bodies in this four-dimensional
world and when we describe it in our three-dimensional language in terms
of motions, the velocities of these signals and bodies are determined by
convention since they do no represent anything real"
This is in detail what I believe.
Thomas Heger
Sam Wormley
>
>> General relativity is not suited to the world of the atom.... But the
>> quantum mechanics is....
>>
>
> Thats a common believe.
No it is empirically so!
Thomas Heger
That is the tricky question: Is it possible to build spacetime out of
quanta??
I don't think so. The point is the need of an observer, what you can't
regard as something fundamental.
The feature of observer invariance make intervalls somehow more fundamental.
So there are quants found within spacetime, but spacetime itself is
continuous and smooth.
Thomas Heger
Thomas Heger
"Randy Poe
>
> It would have been shorter to just say, "no, my model does
> not make any numerical predictions, of the hydrogen spectrum
> or of anything else."
>
Thats not true, since it can allready make a lot of predictions and I said
at the beginning, that I can show that its possible to calculate what is
wanted * in principle*, but not by me or at least not now. If you like to
know how to do that, you may look at:
http://home.pcisys.net/~bestwork.1/index.html
or:
http://www.theworld.com/~sweetser/quaternions/relativity/rotationdilation/rotationdilation.html
or:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0308/0308017.pdf
or:
http://www.theworld.com/~sweetser/quaternions/ps/Silberstein-Relativity.pdf
or:
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/mukundan/atcm02_1.pdf
or:
http://www.algebra.com/algebra/homework/complex/Quaternion.wikipedia
I will gladfully help anybody that would like to try this calculations and
will tell what to look for. On my side its simply to early to ask for
finished soloutions. And once I have finished I will certainly write a
paper, but this is the usenet and I'm spreading random thoughts, that I
would like to check. If you start reading you may think different about my
statements, since you might start to understand what they are about.
Thomas Heger
Y.Porat
just go and realy find how the existing theory developped:
first they have a basic anstract model
then they collect experimental data
and then they start to 'fiddle in'('to bridge ' )
the experimental data
mathematically into that model and experimental data thats all the
'devide ' secret how physic sworks !.........
andone day you as a young scientist will do that job (:-)
btw
the frequency begaviour and even exact analysis
of a vibrating strig is'as you know ' and 'old story'!!
my innovationand based on my otherreasurch
is based on a slight improvement of the idea
my 'string' is not a homogenous string
but a string tha has knots connecting between
different links on the chaine
stsrting with heavy and short strings and coning on
with lighter in mass but longer in length links
the basic one is thenuclear
going on with the medium one
going on with the eelctronone
and apparently with the neurino one
and last one 9may be the gravitational one
while all of them are buily of the basic Circlon orbital !!
but in differnt quantities of those circlons
and different radi of ther movement
ie
the :Circlon is both a particle basic builder
and at the same time a force builder
so there you have at thisstage only ideologically
the integrated theory of matter and all forces
in a reltively simple model
the inorganic world must be simple
or else it could not survive so long
(it is not cleaver enough to learn all the existing devious
and bizar mathematical theories!!
simplicity is not a shame ---said old Catto (:-)
though i tmight be much less private income for some
peoffessors of matheamtics that consider themselves - physicists
i hope i made myself a bit clearer (:-)
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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little sami
beter concentrate on the strings of your
musical orchestra
and dont boggle our balls here
and do what you can do best ie
parrot items from Google
you are far away from being a physics judge
and out galaxy is far from the closest one
so again
go conduct your musical orchestra
you are apparently better there !!
ATB
Y.Porat
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PD
A "model" of this form is generally useless. A model becomes
interesting when you can develop it to the point where it makes
definitive statements about what should be seen in nature and what
should not. There is a distinct difference between this kind of
predictive power in a model, and a model in which you "can imagine
this sort of thing is possible."
Sam Wormley asked a pertinent question in this regard. He asked
whether this model accounts for spectral lines observed. There is an
enormous difference between a model *allowing* for spectral lines and
a model *insisting* that there must be spectral lines. There is an
even larger difference between a model that allows for the possibility
of different spectral lines, and a model that says the spectral lines
should be HERE and HERE and HERE, with the following quantitative
relationship between them and not some other quantitative
relationship.
There is a huge difference between a mental image and a model in
physics.
PD
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PD
It is known your image of physics is mental, Duck.
PD
> It is known your image of physics is mental, Duck.
I can hardly wait until you devolve into telling folks they are PNG's,
Androcles.
That wouldn't be original, of course, but nothing you've said lately
is original. More of the "I know you are but what am I?" category.
Enes
> Hi Ng
> i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
> You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to explain
> my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies, the idea of
> atoms could be changed.
> A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton where
> one thing, it would look like an atom.
> I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call the
> mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future. I do follow this
> from the properties of symmetry of quaternions. Those are scewsymmetric,
> hence can develop only in one direction. The other directions are blocked by
> the neighbours. Those are alligned spacelike and spacelike direction is
> symmetric. The twisting mass-term influences the neighbourhood in spacelike
> direction too, but the neighbours kick back. This is like a gear in a
> giantic gearbox turning a lot of other gears instantanious. Only in timelike
> direction it doesn't. But the mass twist that neighbourhood anyhow and the
> twist return to their starting point in a bow. In a space plus time view,
> you may see this as a little ball moving through time.
>
> Thomas Heger
Heger,
does your model predict halfantihydrogen ?
Does it predict geometrical changes, locations and relations between
particles
(proton, lepton(s?), antiproton) ?
Enes ]an
Enes
> Hi Ng
> i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
> You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to explain
> my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies, the idea of
> atoms could be changed.
> A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton where
> one thing, it would look like an atom.
> I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call the
> mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future. I do follow this
> from the properties of symmetry of quaternions. Those are scewsymmetric,
> hence can develop only in one direction. The other directions are blocked by
> the neighbours. Those are alligned spacelike and spacelike direction is
> symmetric. The twisting mass-term influences the neighbourhood in spacelike
> direction too, but the neighbours kick back. This is like a gear in a
> giantic gearbox turning a lot of other gears instantanious. Only in timelike
> direction it doesn't. But the mass twist that neighbourhood anyhow and the
> twist return to their starting point in a bow. In a space plus time view,
> you may see this as a little ball moving through time.
>
> Thomas Heger
Heger,
does Your model predict halfantihydrogen ?
Does it predict geometrical changes, relations, locations between
mitch.nico...@gmail.com
> Hi Ng
> i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
> You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to explain
> my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies, the idea of
> atoms could be changed.
> A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton where
> one thing, it would look like an atom.
> I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call the
> mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future. I do follow this
> from the properties of symmetry of quaternions. Those are scewsymmetric,
> hence can develop only in one direction. The other directions are blocked by
> the neighbours. Those are alligned spacelike and spacelike direction is
> symmetric. The twisting mass-term influences the neighbourhood in spacelike
> direction too, but the neighbours kick back. This is like a gear in a
> giantic gearbox turning a lot of other gears instantanious. Only in timelike
> direction it doesn't. But the mass twist that neighbourhood anyhow and the
> twist return to their starting point in a bow. In a space plus time view,
> you may see this as a little ball moving through time.
>
> Thomas Heger
The shell is bigger than the wave.
Mitch Raemach Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
Jeffâ–²Relf
When merely well informed, you can model 3-D fields.
When poorly informed, all you have are semi-random particles.
Thomas Heger
> Heger,
> does Your model predict halfantihydrogen ?
> Does it predict geometrical changes, relations, locations between
> particles
> (proton, lepton(s?), antiproton) ?
>
particles. Since the complex scewsymmetric structure of that model, you have
that strange feature of handedness. This is a kind of symmetry that you
could have in 4d.
If I have an idea about distances between atom? Is that your question?
In fact I have. Its very interesting. In my model atoms are a certain
pattern cause by something I called influence. It is a kind of energy-flow.
In a solid body you could have those influence not returning, but pass in a
diagonal way. Its energetic less expensive to do that, since the flow is
shorter. But the bodies may wiggle still. If the line of that influence are
alligned, it could pass right through the body, That is the state of
superconductivity.
So in principle you could figuere out those points where a body would melt
or get into gas (sorry only in principle ...)
Thomas Heger
Y.Porat
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it is obvious that PD
(and his friend Wormley ) is a born parrot
that never innovated and never will innovate anything
and he has no not the faintest idea
about physics is developed by innovators
not by second degree people who just do secondary
advance
Y.Porat
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Eric Gisse
Can your "chain of orbitals" or "circlon" ideas replicate the Hydrogen
spectrum yet?
Enes
Thomas,
would you mind show us your model in geometrical form ?
Withaut I can*t think about...
Y.Porat
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yess!!
as you know
the 'solar system' model of the Atom started to do it
ie
particles moving around some center
iti s matrhematically an harmonic movement
now if you still dont know
the equations of harmonic movement of an orbiting
object are ........... exactly the same equations
of a vibrationg srting or rodd !!
it is just a difference of adjusting **constants**!!
now please note my term 'adjusting constants'
it is what i use to call in a less 'impressive' terms:
fiddling with experimental data
and that i swaht mathematicains generally do
now
mymodel is abit or more than a bit more sophysicated
because
the chain of orbitals i suggest is not a *homogenious string*
it is string that
a
is fixed jsut on* one *of its edges
so may benot call it a string but
a caltilever rodd!!
b
that rodd is not all along the same 'cross section'!
it is a chain of rodds with variable
cross sections
strating with a 'thick' rodd
going on with a lessthicker section
and than a even less thicker section
etc
c
morover
even that** first** 'thick section'
i s not the same for all elements !!
it is different for each element
ie proportional to mass of each elements
yet even more complicated than this
it is not only a function of its mass
it is a functionj of th einner geometric structure
of each Atom nuc !!
so now you start to understand the complerxity
of that 'job'
and now you start to understand why
thje current models are fucking far away
from being close to reality
so the only way i see is
taking actual individual elements
and fiddling in the data to the eauations
so may be ther will be no need to take all the elements
but some representative examples along the
periodic table
and realise that it is possible to do
extralolations and interpolations** between* the various cases
(or in other words to do some 'predictions' about what will be even by
not 'fiddling those specific cases'
but using the previous cases and make 'predictions'
for the 'unfiddled cases '
in short
a lot of tedious mathematical work
now
i am not a mathematician (though i was learning
about the 'cantilever model' (chain of difffernt rodd sections)
while learning about earth quakes of say tall buildings
and that field of civile egineering (and not only civil
a wing of an airoplan is another case !!)so that field is a very
advamced one
in coputer models and calculations
so may be can be ado[pted for electron and nuc model as well!!
allwe need is some new understanding
(AND RECOGNITION !!)
that the
current models suck and are far away from
being good and complete enough
so may be Gisse as a young *curious * scientist -
and a mathematician just
pick up the challenge and start doing it ??!!
ATB
Y.Porat
-----------------------------
Thomas Heger
>you mind show us your model in geometrical form ?
>Withaut I can*t think about...
When I try to write down all my ideas and put their relations into models,
I get a difficult problem. This is in fact related to how to visualize that
idea.
I was looking for something, that nature could actually do. Some kind of
rules or laws that are simple enough for a piece of vacuum to comprehend. In
fact I found what I was looking for. Its a siply rule: take some elements
(modelled by quaternions) and let them rotate. Thats all. This is quite
weird, but I can show all interrelations to known physics within that simple
picture. So known physics is somehow the best way to visualize my model (
thats why I have chosen it), but how do I visualize the idea itself?
I want to build a simulator or a program with my idea, but I'm not very
experienced with four-dimensional geometry and visualization programming
neither. I asked some game programmers, that regularly deal with
quaternions, to do that. They might do that, but who knows when.
Thomas Heger
Enes
Thomas,
I can wait for you geometrical atoms model :)
Your word atoms model is a kind od Art too,
so You can see my electropositrion halfantihydogen model.
It is 3-d, but here 1-d and 1/2 cycle, to better understanding:
[+] -proton,
[-] -antiproton,
(-) -electroposition in electron phase,
(0) -electroposition in neutral phase,
(+) -electroposition in positron phase
One of 2 theoretical posible versions:
[+]....(+)............................................[-]
[+].......................(0).........................[-]
[+]............................................(-)....[-]
IMO there is a way to test it in raality.
Enes ]an,
waiting for your impressions and congratulations, Impatiently.
Enes
>
> - Pokaż cytowany tekst -
Oh, those mistakes :/
Electropositron,
no electroposition or electropositrion, sorry.
Enes
>
> - Pokaż cytowany tekst -
P.S.
Not only electopositron hypothesis predicts HH_ (halfantihydrogen),
Mr Hooydonk too:
http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/0612.7141
It is so difficult for me.
Is there anybody who kindly tell us about ?
Who knows anything about ?
hanson
who wrote in message news:1LTNj.36813$fx2....@newsfe08.ams2...
Why does Einstein say that
the speed from A to B is c-v,
the speed from B to A is c+v,
and the time each way is the same.
>
hanson wrote:
Now you have framed the issue properly.
Let's see whether you'll get any takers from
the realm of the learned relativity physicists.
Good luck.
hanson
>
> ---------- original post -------------
> news:289ef3bf-8039-4e60...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>> It is known your image of physics is mental, Duck.
>
> I'm still waiting for the experiment that established Einstein's third
> postulate, Duck. You are not being entirely forthright with it.
> What I want to know is why Einstein says the speed from A to B is c-v,
> the speed from B to A is c+v and the time each way is the same.
>
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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| was Re: Atoms -- from "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> \
| who wrote in message news:1LTNj.36813$fx2....@newsfe08.ams2...
| Why does Einstein say that
| the speed from A to B is c-v,
| the speed from B to A is c+v,
| and the time each way is the same.
| >
| hanson wrote:
| Now you have framed the issue properly.
| Let's see whether you'll get any takers from
| the realm of the learned relativity physicists.
| Good luck.
| hanson
Ahahahaha! Luck would be what it would take!
I remember from the ancient Children's Encyclopaedia, edited by
Arthur Mee and bought by my grandfather for my father's benefit
(myself having a hand-me-down inheritance), a little section
entitled "Twenty-five different ways to say the same thing".
"His homeward way the weary ploughman plods"
"His homeward way plods the weary ploughman"
"Wearily, homeward plods the ploughman on his way"
etc...
How many different ways can one say Einstein was a clod?
But you know what? It just doesn't matter. What DOES matter
is understanding Nature and how she fools us all. That's what
LHC is all about, but it won't help at all if the wrong ideas are
built into it.
The fuckin' ploughman took the tractor down the pub and
his old lady left his dinner in the oven while she went to bingo
'cos there was bugger-all on TV. She text-messaged him on
his cell phone to say where she was and he got totally plastered
and arrested for DUI, never making it home.
Never mind stopping to smell the roses, they grow better
with horseshit on 'em but all we have is a bud right now:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Orbit/Orbit.htm
The oldest science is astronomy and we've only just scratched
the surface.
Why crawl beneath the feet of pygmies when you can stand
on the shoulders of giants?
hanson
news:H9zOj.21947$_h7....@newsfe05.ams2...
> his old lady left his dinner in the oven while she went to bingo
> 'cos there was bugger-all on TV. She text-messaged him on
> his cell phone to say where she was and he got totally plastered
> and arrested for DUI, never making it home.
>
>
ahahahahahaha... Andro, Andro, Andro... Couldn't you
have waited with a response?... I did set the local NG
relativity experts up for you... to invite'em for a serious
discussion to answer your very legitimate well phrased
question... Now you have let them off the hook... ahaha...
... I'd be surprised if any one of them will still bite now.
But thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
>
>
> ------------ orig. post ---------
>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:sixOj.277$pn4.164@trnddc03...
> | was Re: Atoms -- from "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> \
> | who wrote in message news:1LTNj.36813$fx2....@newsfe08.ams2...
> | Why does Einstein say that
> | the speed from A to B is c-v,
> | the speed from B to A is c+v,
> | and the time each way is the same.
> | >
> | hanson wrote:
> | Now you have framed the issue properly.
> | Let's see whether you'll get any takers from
> | the realm of the learned relativity physicists.
> | Good luck.
> | hanson
>
Androcles
| "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
| news:H9zOj.21947$_h7....@newsfe05.ams2...
| > This message is brought to you by Androcles
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| > The fuckin' ploughman took the tractor down the pub and
| > his old lady left his dinner in the oven while she went to bingo
| > 'cos there was bugger-all on TV. She text-messaged him on
| > his cell phone to say where she was and he got totally plastered
| > and arrested for DUI, never making it home.
| >
| >
| hanson wrote:
| ahahahahahaha... Andro, Andro, Andro... Couldn't you
| have waited with a response?... I did set the local NG
| relativity experts up for you... to invite'em for a serious
| discussion to answer your very legitimate well phrased
| question... Now you have let them off the hook... ahaha...
| ... I'd be surprised if any one of them will still bite now.
| But thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Aw, c'mon, you said "learned relativity physicists".
If an oxymoron is a combination of contradictory or
incongruous words you've managed three in a row.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oxymoron
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| >
| >
Dirk Van de moortel
It certainly fools imbeciles alright
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DryIce.html
Dirk Vdm
Thomas Heger
"P.S.
>Not only electopositron hypothesis predicts HH_ (halfantihydrogen),
>Mr Hooydonk too:
http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/0612.7141
I like this paper. But my own idea is even more kicking.
Our whole universe is somehow lefthanded. That term make only snese, when
you think about it in four-dimensional complex numbers. Quaternial spin is a
very good tool for that. Space itself has a rotation symmetry in that model,
it is lefthanded as almost anything else. Righthanded hydrogen is not
forbidden, but somehow unlikely. Since there is some interaction between
space and a particle, you should get different spectra for both types. You
have in fact various pheanomena, where you would experience the influence of
handedness. You can't see that in spacelike pheanomena since space is
symmetric (abelian) hence does not have the feature of handedness. But
matter is a timelike phaenomena. Usually the handedness is difficult to
measure, since you need some righthanded atoms first and thats not easy to
get. In case of hydrogen its possible to produce .
You certainly want to know, what I'm thinking about your theory. Well, I'm
not that an expert. In fact my knowledge is quite limited as I'm not a
physicist. But if you like to hear my opinion:
what is charge? Thats a good question. Charge is the electric aspect of how
particles interact. Its shown, that there is a magnetic aspect too. An
electron accelerated is somehow magnetic. At rest is it has some coloumb
field around. That coluomb field can be seen from two sides, one is plus ->
minus, the other from minus to plus. But what do you want to do with the
direction of minus to zero? where does that point to?
greetings from berlin to poland
Thomas Heger
greeting
Thomas Heger
hanson
have waited with a response?... I did set the local NG
relativity experts up for you... to invite'em for a serious
discussion to answer your very legitimate well phrased
question... Now you have let them off the hook... ahaha...
... I'd be surprised if any one of them will still bite now.
>
Aw, c'mon, you said "learned relativity physicists".
If an oxymoron is a combination of contradictory or
incongruous words you've managed three in a row.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oxymoron
>
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... OK, I do concede to that and
give you that... Yet surprisingly, one of'em WAS biting!...
and it was none other then the "Spermless VD-moortel"
whose answer to the c+/-v issue is "dry ice"..... ahaha...
Not an oxymoron, 'cuz Moortel is an "Ox and a Mormon"
Thanks for the laughs guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Enes
> "P.S.
>
> >Not only electopositron hypothesis predicts HH_ (halfantihydrogen),
> >Mr Hooydonk too:
>
> http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/0612.7141
>
> I like this paper. But my own idea is even more kicking.
>
> Our whole universe is somehow lefthanded.
>
Our is lefthanded, but (may be) there are others left and
righthanded,
with zero summary .
> That term make only snese, when
> you think about it in four-dimensional complex numbers. Quaternial spin is a
> very good tool for that. Space itself has a rotation symmetry in that model,
> it is lefthanded as almost anything else. Righthanded hydrogen is not
> forbidden, but somehow unlikely. Since there is some interaction between
> space and a particle, you should get different spectra for both types. You
> have in fact various pheanomena, where you would experience the influence of
> handedness. You can't see that in spacelike pheanomena since space is
> symmetric (abelian) hence does not have the feature of handedness. But
> matter is a timelike phaenomena. Usually the handedness is difficult to
> measure, since you need some righthanded atoms first and thats not easy to
> get. In case of hydrogen its possible to produce .
>
>
IMO we have artifictial notions : matter, antimatter. It is the same
mass with different orientations.
> You certainly want to know, what I'm thinking about your theory. Well, I'm
> not that an expert. In fact my knowledge is quite limited as I'm not a
> physicist. But if you like to hear my opinion:
> what is charge? Thats a good question. Charge is the electric aspect of how
> particles interact. Its shown, that there is a magnetic aspect too. An
> electron accelerated is somehow magnetic. At rest is it has some coloumb
> field around. That coluomb field can be seen from two sides, one is plus ->
> minus, the other from minus to plus. But what do you want to do with the
> direction of minus to zero? where does that point to?
>
I do not understand what do you mean "direction of minus to zero".
Electropositron conects submass particles +/- with summary zero.
Electron is the phase with external (-)and internal (+), positron with
external (+) and internal (-).
> greetings from berlin to poland
>
> Thomas Heger
>
> greeting
> Thomas Heger
>
Greetings from Enes to Berlin.
]ohn from Enes
Uncle Al
[snip crap]
The dicklet pontificates upon the testiclette. Oh what royalty the
cacastocracy boasts.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
hanson
>
>
HE WENT FOR IT , BIT & TWISTED ON THE HOOK
as he, "Uncle rect-Al", <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
cranked himself in his urin-Al, ... in his fec-Al fashion...
>
>
>
----------- Chir-Al instructions for Anal Schwartz ------------
So rect-Al, you Dreidel, for your benefit, here it is again to
crank yourself some more... chir-Al-ly... Not that I expect
you to know the answer... "oye-weh!"... But... "Go figure!".
Hint: Al, look it up and check it out. It's right in there, in your
own self-portrait, from your own website, "Trust me!" :
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Olde kacker Schwartz, thanks for the laughs... ahahahanson
>
>
>
--- The post which loud-mouth-Schwartz had no answer for ----
who wrote in message news:1LTNj.36813$fx2....@newsfe08.ams2...
Why does Einstein say that
the speed from A to B is c-v,
the speed from B to A is c+v,
and the time each way is the same.
> | > | >
> | > | >
hanson wrote:
Androcles
| "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
| news:uqDOj.25506$_h7....@newsfe05.ams2...
| >
| "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
| ahahahahahaha... Andro, Andro, Andro... Couldn't you
| have waited with a response?... I did set the local NG
| relativity experts up for you... to invite'em for a serious
| discussion to answer your very legitimate well phrased
| question... Now you have let them off the hook... ahaha...
| ... I'd be surprised if any one of them will still bite now.
| >
| Androcles wrote:
| Aw, c'mon, you said "learned relativity physicists".
| If an oxymoron is a combination of contradictory or
| incongruous words you've managed three in a row.
| http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oxymoron
| >
| hanson wrote:
| ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... OK, I do concede to that and
| give you that... Yet surprisingly, one of'em WAS biting!...
| and it was none other then the "Spermless VD-moortel"
| whose answer to the c+/-v issue is "dry ice"..... ahaha...
| Not an oxymoron, 'cuz Moortel is an "Ox and a Mormon"
| Thanks for the laughs guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Ah, the local village idiot in the flesh. Still lurking, is it,
desperately trying to get a barb in? Throw the polliwogs
back when you go fishing, they are toxic waste.
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| > | >
hanson
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
>
> | hanson wrote:
> | Moortel is Not an oxymoron, he's an "Ox and a Mormon"
> | Thanks for the laughs ... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>
Andro worte:
> Ah, the local village idiot in the flesh. Still lurking, is it,
> desperately trying to get a barb in? Throw the polliwogs
> back when you go fishing, they are toxic waste.
> --
.... ahahahaha... easy, Andro, easy, patience!.. You got
another dud, a 2nd one, on the hook... Unfortunately his
beytsin fell off... so he is no good neither... ahahaha...
But I am quite sure that there must be some rational
relativists out there, besides the 2 pitiful dilettantes,
rect-Al Schwartz and No-Sperm-VD Moortel...
Keep fishing and hope to make a good catch that's
worthwhile to talk to in earnest... ahahahaha...
>
------- the 2nd bad fish that had to be thrown back ------
--------------------- reposted -----------------
>
HE WENT FOR IT , BIT & TWISTED ON THE HOOK
as he, "Uncle rect-Al", <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
cranked himself in his urin-Al, ... in his fec-Al fashion...
>
----------- Chir-Al instructions for Anal Schwartz ------------
So rect-Al, you Dreidel, for your benefit, here it is again to
crank yourself some more... chir-Al-ly... Not that I expect
you to know the answer... "oye-weh!"... But... "Go figure!".
Hint: Al, look it up and check it out. It's right in there, in your
own self-portrait, from your own website, "Trust me!" :
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Olde kacker Schwartz, thanks for the laughs... ahahahanson
>
--- The post which loud-mouth-Schwartz had no answer for ----
>
news:sixOj.277$pn4.164@trnddc03...
was Re: Atoms -- from "Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> \
who wrote in message news:1LTNj.36813$fx2....@newsfe08.ams2...
Why does Einstein say that
the speed from A to B is c-v,
the speed from B to A is c+v,
and the time each way is the same.
> | > | >
> | > | >
hanson wrote:
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:WlOOj.1728$nb4.1271@trnddc08...
|. AHAHAHAHA...... AHAHAHAHA... Good one!
| >
| >
| HE WENT FOR IT , BIT & TWISTED ON THE HOOK
| as he, "Uncle rect-Al", <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
| cranked himself in his urin-Al, ... in his fec-Al fashion...
BTW, you fuck-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Androcyst, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley.
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/58tbzp
Oy weh, Rect-Al Schwartzshit cannot read, obviously jealous of my having
been to high school. Genuine insanity there... do not approach, armed and
dangerous. At least George Hammond is harmless but Rect-Al is way over the
top, real straightjacket material. He'll have chiral dreidel diamonds sent
for Eotvos testing in China next.
hanson
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>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:WlOOj.1728$nb4.1271@trnddc08...
> |. AHAHAHAHA...... AHAHAHAHA... Good one!
> | HE WENT FOR IT , BIT & TWISTED ON THE HOOK
> | as he, "Uncle rect-Al", <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
> | cranked himself in his urin-Al, ... in his fec-Al fashion...
>
> BTW, you fuck-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in
> the paper, nor could it. Hey Androcyst, you are an ineducable
> idiot. Your high school should be leveled and replaced by
> an abandoned bowling alley."
>
hanson wrote:
... that tinyurl contains Einstein's 1905 paper
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
wherein one sees Einstein saying: ... "we find that
t_B - t_A = r(AB)/(c-v) and t'_A - t_B = r(AB)/(c+v)...
>
Sadly, rect-Al is so far gone up his own ass, "as can be seen"
here in his self-portrait on his own website
<http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg>
that a few weeks back Al confused Tom Potter with Tom Roberts:
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fa8029be5a4d39c9>
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/1e72759e8530f805>
>
Andro assessing rect-Al's quacklifications:
> Oy weh, Rect-Al Schwartzshit cannot read, obviously jealous
> is harmless but Rect-Al is way over the top, real straightjacket
> material. He'll have chiral dreidel diamonds sent for Eotvos
> testing in China next.
>
I snipped a sentence in your para above . Don't honor rect-Al
with "do not approach, armed and dangerous". He & kikes like
him thrive on being perceived as such... ahahaha... and there is
nothing "genuine" about rect-Al neither except his loud mouth.
YBM
grasp the difference between closing velocity and composed velocity...
hanson
news:480beabb$0$24580$426a...@news.free.fr...
> So we now all know that there are two people, not one, unable to
> grasp the difference between closing velocity and composed velocity...
>
ahahahaha... Look at that... Einstein Dingleberry # 3 went on
the hook, with his revealing call sign YBM = Your Basic Moron.
>
Thanks for laughs, moron... and here is the fish hook again
until Andro finds a decent relativist who can explain the issue:
YBM
> Thanks for laughs, moron... and here is the fish hook again
> until Andro finds a decent relativist who can explain the issue:
Noone could explain anything to Androcles, not even that "p xor q"
implies "p or q" or that sqrt(1) is not -1. You're no better...
Who cares ?
hanson
"YBM" aka "Your Basic Moron",<ybm...@nooos.fr> but an
"ABM", an "Argumentative Basic Moron" who wrote in message
news:480bf8e0$0$10698$426a...@news.free.fr...
>
> Noone could explain anything to Androcles, not even that "p xor q"
> implies "p or q" or that sqrt(1) is not -1. You're no better...
>
ahaha ... What is this "noone" shit? .. Just because YOU are
a failure and not able to explain what Andro has asked for,
does not mean that there are no rational relativists out there
that can do so... ahahaha...
>
"Your Basic Moron" wrote:
> Who cares ?
>
hanson wrote:
ahahah... AHAHAHA ... YOU YBM, "YOU Basic Moron", YOU do
obviously do care with your silly attack on Andro and me instead
of explaining the issue that Andro raised. --- You exposed yourself
now as #3 on the hook, you being a useless Einstein Dingleberry
that must be thrown back into waters... since you are a very bad
teacher or you defend & or promote relativity as being a
YBM = a "Yiddish Belief Machination", because you are Jewish
yourself or you being just one of their Goyim victims that they have
brainwashed into doing their bidding and agenda.... ahahahaha...
So, for your benfit here's an encore of the condition of your two
predecessors that went on the hook, rect-Al and No-Sperm VDM:
>
> ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
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| > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
| > news:WlOOj.1728$nb4.1271@trnddc08...
| > |. AHAHAHAHA...... AHAHAHAHA... Good one!
| > | HE WENT FOR IT , BIT & TWISTED ON THE HOOK
| > | as he, "Uncle rect-Al", <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
| > | cranked himself in his urin-Al, ... in his fec-Al fashion...
| >
| Andro quoting fec-Al tripe from rect-Al in which Al said:
| > BTW, you fuck-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in
| > the paper, nor could it. Hey Androcyst, you are an ineducable
| > idiot. Your high school should be leveled and replaced by
| > an abandoned bowling alley."
| > Andro's counter-Ref: http://tinyurl.com/58tbzp
| >
| hanson wrote:
| ... that tinyurl contains Einstein's 1905 paper
| http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
| wherein one sees Einstein saying: ... "we find that
| t_B - t_A = r(AB)/(c-v) and t'_A - t_B = r(AB)/(c+v)...
Yeah, it's here...
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img11.gif
Later r(AB) gets shortened to x' by having vt chopped off,
the idea being that the whole thing has to agree with Lorentz
contraction which is caused by the aether compressing molecules.
If you imagine pushing a shopping cart through air to simulate
the Earth going around the Sun through aether, air pressure at
the front shortens the shopping cart slightly in the direction of
travel...even if you stop pushing. Well, that's what Lorentz reckoned
and he wasn't a kook or anything, he just didn't know Newton's
third law and thought one jaw of a vise could squeeze the juice
out of an orange as long as it was moving.
| >
| Sadly, rect-Al is so far gone up his own ass, "as can be seen"
| here in his self-portrait on his own website
| <http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg>
| that a few weeks back Al confused Tom Potter with Tom Roberts:
| <http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fa8029be5a4d39c9>
| <http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/1e72759e8530f805>
| >
| Andro assessing rect-Al's quacklifications:
| > Oy weh, Rect-Al Schwartzshit cannot read, obviously jealous
| > of my having been to high school... At least George Hammond
| > is harmless but Rect-Al is way over the top, real straightjacket
| > material. He'll have chiral dreidel diamonds sent for Eotvos
| > testing in China next.
| >
| hanson wrote:
| I snipped a sentence in your para above . Don't honor rect-Al
| with "do not approach, armed and dangerous".
But I'm serious. His megalomania, that driving urge to impress
everyone else with his outstanding intelligence to the point of
saying they are all idiots that should snip crap and c+v isn't in
the paper nor could it be, coupled with arming himself with a
full-kit mirrorless Indian-style tiled brick shithouse as in
<http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg>
(that ledge is just the right height to concrete in the porcelain potty)
places him on the FIBs ten most wanted kooky kikes list.
Believe me, you DON'T want to approach that ledge and
see over the top.
Aside from that, the plumbing's neat, huh? The chrome waste
pipe going into cast iron is a particularly charming feature.
My cat did it for him but then he lost any further contracts
and went back to chasing mice and balls of yarn. You
can see his style clearly in the gracious curve of the cold
water feed, done in the Greco-Roman plumbum pipe manner.
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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| AHAHAHA... "YBM" <ybm...@nooos.fr> wrote in message
| news:480beabb$0$24580$426a...@news.free.fr...
| > So we now all know that there are two people, not one, unable to
| > grasp the difference between closing velocity and composed velocity...
| >
| hanson wrote:
| ahahahaha... Look at that... Einstein Dingleberry # 3 went on
| the hook, with his revealing call sign YBM = Your Basic Moron.
| >
| Thanks for laughs, moron... and here is the fish hook again
| until Andro finds a decent relativist who can explain the issue:
Perhaps Your Basic Moron could explain the difference between
a "closing rate" (correct Blind Poe terminology) and a composed
velocity so that we could understand it? Is there a difference
between a Mozart composed velocity and a Beethoven composed
velocity, for example?
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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| AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.. What we have here is not only
| "YBM" aka "Your Basic Moron",<ybm...@nooos.fr> but an
| "ABM", an "Argumentative Basic Moron" who wrote in message
| news:480bf8e0$0$10698$426a...@news.free.fr...
| >
| > Noone could explain anything to Androcles, not even that "p xor q"
| > implies "p or q" or that sqrt(1) is not -1. You're no better...
| >
| hanson wrote:
| ahaha ... What is this "noone" shit? .
It's Olde English, as in "High Noone" starring Gary Cooper.
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2041381145/
Ya gotta see the video to appreciate the quality.
As my tailor always tells me, never mind the quality, feel the width.
25 seconds into it and out pops the famous corn "They just don't care".
See, no one cares but Noone cares and he's as high as a kike.. err.. kite.
| Just because YOU are
| a failure and not able to explain what Andro has asked for,
| does not mean that there are no rational relativists out there
| that can do so... ahahaha...
| >
| "Your Basic Moron" wrote:
| > Who cares ?
|
High Noone cares.
hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/c444a7e65c5fc52f
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/5a1a7b43d75fafbb
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/74def37f9ae813d5
in which you assessed the quality of the mentality of 3 responding
posters that went on the hook so far... ahahaha... AHAHAHA
>
Their IQ is on the brilliant level of fish that one sees staring at you
on the tables of the fish market. -- Additionally, about an earlier
response, special mention ought to be given to master VD moortel
who insisted that "dry ice" was the answer to the issue at hand.
>
Androcles, your question was honest and straight forward,
a "cut and paste", out of Einstein's 1905 paper that asks:
::: Why does Einstein say that
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
::: and the time each way is the same.
:::
::: hanson wrote:
::: Now, Andro, you have framed the issue properly.
::: Let's see whether you'll get any takers from
::: the realm of the learned relativity physicists.
::: Good luck.
::: hanson
>
relativity camp will emerge and earnestly explain what you
have legitimately asked. I wish you luck with your inquiry
and I am out of the thread... ... unless the interns or recruits
relay me responses that are so fucking funny that I just can't
contain myself..... ahahahaha....
Take care, Andro,
hanson
>
>
>
>
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>
> hanson  wrote:
>
> ahaha ... What is this "noone" shit? .. Just because YOU are
> a failure and not able to explain what Andro has asked for,
> does not mean that there are no rational relativists out there
> that can do so... ahahaha...
>
> "Your Basic Moron" wrote:
> > Who cares ?
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> ahahah... AHAHAHA ... YOU YBM, "YOU Basic Moron", YOU do
> obviously do care with your silly attack on Andro and me instead
> of explaining the issue that Andro raised. --- You exposed yourself
> now as #3 on the hook, Â you being a useless Einstein Dingleberry
> that must be thrown back into waters... since you are a very bad
> teacher or you defend & or promote relativity
This is ahahahahanson's MO. It is always the scientists' fault.
If they are wrong, then it is the scientists' fault.
If they are right, and they cannot educate an idiot and convince the
idiot, then it is the scientists' fault.
It is never the idiot's fault.
ahahahahaha, hanson, you are as transparent as WalMart-variety
sandwich wrap. Cackle away, hanson. It's highly amusing the way you
flap your arms and giggle and point hysterically at anyone other than
yourself. You've developed quite a reputation over the years for doing
this.
PD
hanson
ahahaha.... Einstein Dingleberry fish #4 went on the hook as
>
"PD" <TheDrap...@gmail.com> who WHINED in message
news:f9465cb5-8978-4a5e...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
... that he, Paul Draper is a professional Einstein Dingleberry
who moves as close as possible to the cozy warmth Albert's
sphincter from where he, Draper, openly admitted that he was a
pitifully bad teacher who blames his students for his incapability
to teach.... ahahahaha....
So, Draper redeem yourself, and don't argue with me, you mooch,
but address and explain Androcles' inquiry to him.
Here it is again for your benefit:
>
> ------- start --------
>
... ahahaha...these are 3 hilariously lovely post of yours, Andro
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/c444a7e65c5fc52f
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/5a1a7b43d75fafbb
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/74def37f9ae813d5
in which you assessed the quality of the mentality of 3 responding
posters that went on the hook so far... ahahaha... AHAHAHA
>
Their IQ is on the brilliant level of fish that one sees staring at you
on the tables of the fish market. -- Additionally, about an earlier
response, special mention ought to be given to master VD moortel
who insisted that "dry ice" was the answer to the issue at hand.
>
Androcles, your question was honest and straight forward,
a "cut and paste", out of Einstein's 1905 paper that asks:
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
::: and the time each way is the same.
:::
::: hanson wrote:
::: Now, Andro, you have framed the issue properly.
::: Let's see whether you'll get any takers from
::: the realm of the learned relativity physicists.
::: Good luck.
::: hanson
>
relativity camp will emerge and earnestly explain what you
have legitimately asked. I wish you luck with your inquiry
and I am out of the thread... ... unless the interns or recruits
relay me responses that are so fucking funny that I just can't
contain myself..... ahahahaha....
Take care, Andro,
hanson
>
>
Paul, see you just couldn't contain yourself even after I just
told you so... ahahahahAHAHAHAHA.... Now try to be a
"rational responder"... that is, if you have the IQ for it...??
Thanks for the laughs, ahahahaha... hahahahanson
PD
> === AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
> but address and explain Androcles' inquiry to him.
> Here it is again for your benefit:
>
Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of
inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting
attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're
a catcalling spectator.
PD
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"PD" <TheDrap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 20, 11:14 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> ahaha ... What is this "noone" shit? .. Just because YOU are
> a failure and not able to explain what Andro has asked for,
> does not mean that there are no rational relativists out there
> that can do so... ahahaha...
>
> "Your Basic Moron" wrote:
> > Who cares ?
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> ahahah... AHAHAHA ... YOU YBM, "YOU Basic Moron", YOU do
> obviously do care with your silly attack on Andro and me instead
> of explaining the issue that Andro raised. --- You exposed yourself
> now as #3 on the hook, you being a useless Einstein Dingleberry
> that must be thrown back into waters... since you are a very bad
> teacher or you defend & or promote relativity
| This is ahahahahanson's MO. It is always the scientists' fault.
YBM a scientist?
Ahahahahaha!
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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You mean you don't want to stomp them and then grind
your heel in their face? Awww....shame... oh well, take care.
hanson
On Apr 21, 1:01 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> === AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
> So, Draper redeem yourself, and don't argue with me, you mooch,
> but address and explain Androcles' inquiry to him.
>
Draper wrote
Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of
inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting
attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're
a catcalling spectator.
PD
>
Awe, awe... How sweet of you Paul Draper, you miss me
already even before I am gone... Awe! Awe..... How touching,
Paul... the splendid feelings of a true family man... ahahahaha...
>
But listen, old chum, of course I am here as a spectator... I'm
love to watch all those Einstein Danglers in their beliefs how
cyberspace turns into their real world and how they worship
and defend Einstein like the ass-venters are martyrs for their
Allah, or the Jews for their messiah, with their brainwashed
goyim like you in tow... ahahahaha... So, how come you do
begrudge that I am laughing such a grotesque spectacle?
I am her to have laughs, Paul... seeking nobody's approval or
praise!... Fun is where its at! .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
>
My contribution her are my laughs... Take it or leave it..
I have no inclination to cyber-grab you and press your fat
puffed up face into the monitor forcing you to read my posts...
... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA..
>
OTOH, I am fully content and thoroughly enjoy reading your
self-aggrandizing, nutrient free and saltless cyber tripe... Now
why should I not laugh over that too, Paul? You are one of
the provider for me having fun. You should celebrate that.
>
... Especially when you out-do yourself and reach into your
shallow mental pockets and try to impress your Einstein
co-Dingleberries with your announcement that you have spawned
your own flesh & blood Wunderkinder who so became due to
your, their father's GAGA-TATA- CACCA epi-genome. See here
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/53a41a8c16b5208e>
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/238affeb3f3aa1e3?hl=en&>
>
So, don't you worry Draper, I will not go away... Just remember that
I choose my own teachers and you are not on that list. But I really do
I love you as you being one of my favorite clowns... which is why
I always say to you: THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS, PAUL... ahahaha
ahahaha... ahanson
:
PS:
Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who
can convince Androcles who asked
| ::: WHY does Einstein say that
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
::: and the time each way is the same.
>
level. ... I wish you luck. I am with you, Paul. I will not bag on you
and laugh at you if you make sense. Take care, Paul. Do it.
hanson
hanson
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> You mean you don't want to stomp them and then grind
> your heel in their face? Awww....shame... oh well, take care.
>
ahahahaha... No, Andro, I don't want to "stomp them and
then grind my heel in their face" ahahahaha... I want the
Einstein worshippers to explain to YOUR satisfaction what
you have asked for....
>
But apparently no learned relativist has stepped forward
yet to defend and explain what his role model Albert said
above.. Only the above mentioned Einstein Dingleberries
rasped them selves and cursed me for having agreed with
you that you asked a legitimate question... ahahahaha...
>
Phuckwit Duck-Draper is leading the parade with his 2
heart-rendering posts of begging me not to go away...
== I LOVE YOU DRAPER!... DON'T DESPAIR!... ==
>
Don't worry so much, guys... I'll be around as long as you
are funny... and keep on giving me reason to laughs.
ahahahahaha.... ahahahahanson
YBM
> === AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
> ... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA..
> ahahaha
> ahahaha... ahanson
Incredible : one can be more insane than Androcles himself.
> Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who
> can convince Androcles who asked
> | ::: WHY does Einstein say that
> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
> ::: and the time each way is the same.
No one could ever convince either Androcles or you of anything true,
not even on the most basic issues.
Anyway, there is no such place where Eistein would have said such
things. Provide references so that you both demonstrate what kind
of fools you are.
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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Keep a close eye on the thread
HOW THEORETICAL SCIENCE DIED
and jostle Blind Poe, the sidekick of the Phuckwitted Duck, along for me.
He's been draggng his arse since Saturday.
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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| === AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
| "PD" <TheDrap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
| news:5c339083-7e23-4f6a...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
| On Apr 21, 1:01 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
| > === AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
| > So, Draper redeem yourself, and don't argue with me, you mooch,
| > but address and explain Androcles' inquiry to him.
| > Here it is again for your benefit: [see below]
| >
| Draper wrote
| Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of
| inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting
| attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're
| a catcalling spectator.
| PD
| >
| hanson wrote:
| Awe, awe... How sweet of you Paul Draper, you miss me
| already even before I am gone... Awe! Awe..... How touching,
| Paul... the splendid feelings of a true family man... ahahahaha...
Isn't the case in point c+v and c-v take the same time for the
same distance?
Looks like Phuckwit Duck wants to change the case in point.
| >
| But listen, old chum, of course I am here as a spectator... I'm
| love to watch all those Einstein Danglers in their beliefs how
| cyberspace turns into their real world and how they worship
| and defend Einstein like the ass-venters are martyrs for their
| Allah, or the Jews for their messiah, with their brainwashed
| goyim like you in tow... ahahahaha... So, how come you do
| begrudge that I am laughing such a grotesque spectacle?
| I am her to have laughs, Paul... seeking nobody's approval or
| praise!... Fun is where its at! .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
| >
| My contribution her are my laughs... Take it or leave it..
| I have no inclination to cyber-grab you and press your fat
| puffed up face into the monitor forcing you to read my posts...
| ... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA..
ahahahahahaha!
| OTOH, I am fully content and thoroughly enjoy reading your
| self-aggrandizing, nutrient free and saltless cyber tripe... Now
| why should I not laugh over that too, Paul? You are one of
| the provider for me having fun. You should celebrate that.
| >
| ... Especially when you out-do yourself and reach into your
| shallow mental pockets and try to impress your Einstein
| co-Dingleberries with your announcement that you have spawned
| your own flesh & blood Wunderkinder who so became due to
| your, their father's GAGA-TATA- CACCA epi-genome. See here
| <http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/53a41a8c16b5208e>
| <http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/238affeb3f3aa1e3?hl=en&>
| >
| So, don't you worry Draper, I will not go away... Just remember that
| I choose my own teachers and you are not on that list. But I really do
| I love you as you being one of my favorite clowns... which is why
| I always say to you: THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS, PAUL... ahahaha
| ahahaha... ahanson
| :
| PS:
| Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who
| can convince Androcles who asked
|| ::: WHY does Einstein say that
| ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
| ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
| ::: and the time each way is the same.
| >
Yes, that's the case in point.
| Paul, be the first to do that. Rise above your usual Dingleberry
| level. ... I wish you luck. I am with you, Paul. I will not bag on you
| and laugh at you if you make sense. Take care, Paul. Do it.
| hanson
Naughty hanson, blaming the scientist and asking for sense.
As a true dingleberry, Phuckwit Duck is compelled to accept
the wisdom of his mentor.
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
Ref: http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html
That's one prejudice I'll own up to.
hanson
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Incredible : one can be more insane than Androcles himself. ['cuz]
hanson wrote:
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/11991c08af3e1daf>
=== AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
=== AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahahahahaha... AHAHAHA ===
ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
hanson wrote:
.... listen YBM, "YOU BASIC MORON" you just dropped your other
shoe since you failed to read the *** FAQ about ahahahaha ***
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/f232cf15901ce7ba
wherein it says:
" Whenever you see someone commenting about "ahaha...
AHAHAHA" you know right off the bat that you've got a real
stupid fool & uptight mooch on your hands worth having big
time fun with".
.. and now, see, YBM, "YOU BASIC MORON", you have down
graded yourself into YBM, the "YODELING BANAL MISFIT"
on account of you being a **real stupid fool & uptight mooch**
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.... ahahaha...
>
hanson wrote to Paul Draper:
> Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who
> can convince Androcles who asked
> ::: WHY does Einstein say that
> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
> ::: and the time each way is the same.
>
No one could ever convince either Androcles or you of
anything true, not even on the most basic issues.
>
Just because you are YBM, a "YODELING BANAL MISFIT"
who could not do it and miserably failed, does not mean that
there are no rational people out there who can do it rationally.
>
ahaha... Do you realize YBM, you "YODELING BANAL MISFIT",
that you sound as if you have grudge against Andro... ahahaha.
How many times has Andro pissed on and drowned your YBM,
"YOUR BRAINLESS MIND"?... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
Don't come whining to me YBM, "YOU BITTER MOOCH". I really
can't help you because this is NOT about me. But perhaps you
should go to your YBM, "YOUR BENEVOLENT MOTHER" and
cry into her apron, because you are so afraid of Androcles.
>
YBM, the "YODELING BANAL MISFIT" wrote:
Anyway, there is no such place where Eistein would have said such
things. Provide references so that you both demonstrate what kind
of fools you are.
>
YBM, "YOU BITTER MOOCH" and you "YODELING BANAL MISFIT"
you have shown with "YOUR BRAINLESS MIND" that you are
not even able to detect that the source of what Androcles has
referred to is cited in at least 3 posts in this thread.. ahahaha...
Nevertheless, thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha.. ahahahanson
>
PS:
Come'on YBM, be un homme de bravado et d'intellect and grow
some balls to explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked:
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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What's even funnier is that YBM isn't an ED, he's a DVmD and with
Martin O'Hogbin or Paul O'Cardinale making up the Irish component
(tree and a tird is Irish for three and a third) we have a cascade of
dingleberries hanging on dingleberries hanging in the Einstein sphincter.
Y.Porat
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Congratulations PD!!
now we know for sure that you are the scientists official
representative and official sopkesman
and some others are the idiots
and you got some devine othority
to deferenciate between them !!!
and if you say for instance that energy has no mass
thats it !!!
and if you say for instance that the structure of the Atom
and nuc
is all along well known
than probably God himsenf authorised you to
anounce that !!
btw
all laong histoty
the symbious between pompous crooks and suckers
was a winning game !!!
(yet a still didnt decide
which of them you belong !! (:-)
and next time i want to heare something from Gods
authorised scientistand advance maker in science
i will listen to you !...
oh sorry i forgot your friend Gisse (Bonaparte)
Y.Porat
------------------------------
Y.Porat
---------------------
Einstein was wrong
about his
curved space time !!
he was right about SR !!
and he was right about
E=mc^2
and E=hf
nobody even Einstein is perfect
yet his ingenuity was by daring to 'get out of the box'
and suggestion innovations
which you and others cant do !!
ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------
mL
What's even still funnier is that you (who swallowed the hook first)
are the dingleberry* in the topmost position.
---
* Notable dingleberries (upper league of Einstein invokers):
Androcles
Pentcho Valev
Koobee Wublee
hanson
hanson
"mL" aka m_oron L_arge aka m_ilitant_Loon
<mL.b...@elsewhere.xxx> who wrote in message
news:KMjPj.6427$R_4....@newsb.telia.net...
> What's even still funnier is that you (who swallowed the hook first)
> are the dingleberry* in the topmost position.
>
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... mL you are fish #5 that went on the hook.
But you turn out to be badly damaged goods since you, mL
a) do not even know what an Einstein Dingleberry is and you
b) do not comprehend that Andros' legit question
has nothing to do with any 'invoking" ... ahaha.. but
c) instead of addressing Androcles' Issue, you make a "list"
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... because you
d) you NOT know the answer, or do you?
>
So, back into the still murky relativity waters with you, mL,
where you do not have to invoke anything but where you
can suck up the sphincter of your idol Albert.., or....
you can redeem yourself and
explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked:
::: WHY does Einstein say that
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
::: and the time each way is the same.
Do it, mL, show that you are not damaged goods.
Thanks for the laughs!... ahahah... ahahahanson
mL
mL, the militant Loon, size moron Large, skrev:
> What's even still funnier is that you (who swallowed the hook first)
> are the dingleberry* in the topmost position.
> * Notable dingleberries (upper league of Einstein invokers):
> Androcles, Pentcho Valev, Koobee Wublee, hanson
More yapping by hanson:
> .... ahahahaha... mL you are fish #5 that went on the hook.
Hello down there! No empty hook - Androcles swallowed it (remember:
"Andro, Andro, Andro... Couldn't you have waited with a response?").
I just jerked the fishing cord a little -- and believe it or not,
the cord looked as if it was broken at the water surface (so I have
to admit that Androcles has got at least one thing right).
> But you turn out to be badly damaged goods since you, mL
> a) do not even know what an Einstein Dingleberry is and you ..
You are a poor judger in your current condition hanson - try to
help yourself first.
hanson
"mL", the m_masturbating L_oon, <mL.b...@elsewhere.xxx>
the fish #5 is still on the hook, keeps on flip/flopping and whining
in his message news:v2uPj.6446$R_4....@newsb.telia.net...
his pitifully shrill & aberrant song of the Einstein Dingleberries.
>
hanson wrote:
Listen you Einstein Dingleberry. I told you in the last post,
** NO MATTER WHAT YOU CRY NOW OR WILL CRY **
you went on the hook, because you, mL are badly damaged
goods since you, mL
a) still do not even know what an Einstein Dingleberry is and you
b) do not comprehend that Andros' legit question
has nothing to do with any 'invoking" ... ahaha.. but
c) instead of addressing Androcles' Issue, you make a "list"
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... because you
>
So, mL, either dive back into the murky relativity waters wherein
you, mL, can continue to be "mL, the m_masturbating L_oon"
and where you can suck up the sphincter of your idol Albert..
or.... you can redeem yourself and
explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked:
::: WHY does Einstein say that
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
::: and the time each way is the same.
Do it, mL, show that you are not damaged goods
and not the "m_masturbating L_oon" which you are now!
YBM
> or.... you can redeem yourself and
> explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked:
> ::: WHY does Einstein say that
> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
> ::: and the time each way is the same.
He didn't. End of story.
> Do it, mL, show that you are not damaged goods
> and not the "m_masturbating L_oon" which you are now!
> Thanks for the laughs!... ahahah... ahahahanson
Going more insane every day "hahahahanson" ? Is the
sky the limit ?
hanson
"YBM" <ybm...@nooos.fr> whined in his message
news:480e81a4$0$2008$426a...@news.free.fr...
>
hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/5869495aace6d1a1
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/1fca80a8fdcc5c65
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/bd23d024c45404c4
or.... you, YBM, instead of "You Brainlessly Masturbating"
you can redeem yourself and explain (NOT to me) but to
Androcles who asked:
::: WHY does Einstein say that
::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
and the time each way is the same.
>
Is the sky the limit ?
>
.. is that what "YBM", "YOUR BRILLIANT MOTHER"
told you to say because you are so afraid of Androcles.
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
Your Brainless Masturbating as seen by your "answer"
is typical of Einstein Dingleberries like you, but your
1-liner is cause for a good laugh.... ahaha... ahaha...
AHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahanson
Androcles
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:n2vPj.3414$nb4.2952@trnddc08...
With hook, line and sinker, the bait will jump on and proceed
to wriggle and squirm all by itself. But where are the fish?
The answer I like best is when they tell you: "YOU don't understand!"
Ok, so explain it to me...
This folly is a beauty:
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/timeline/images/brookhaven.jpg
http://www.aip.org/png/images/rhic.jpg
so are these:
http://www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/Egypt_Sphinx_Giza_Pyramid.jpg
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=20138&rendTypeId=4
mL
> === ahahahahahahaha .... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHA ===
> "mL", the m_masturbating L_oon, <mL.b...@elsewhere.xxx>
> the fish #5 is still on the hook, keeps on flip/flopping and whining
> in his message news:v2uPj.6446$R_4....@newsb.telia.net...
hanson, hanson, why so upset? Calm down to get rid of your
hallucinations.
> his pitifully shrill & aberrant song of the Einstein Dingleberries.
> hanson wrote:
> Listen you Einstein Dingleberry. I told you in the last post,
Ah, this Einstein again. More dingleberry points to you
hanson.
> ** NO MATTER WHAT YOU CRY NOW OR WILL CRY **
> you went on the hook, because you, mL are badly damaged
> goods since you, mL
> a) still do not even know what an Einstein Dingleberry is and you
More points added.
hanson playing with some old poops:
> b) do not comprehend that Andros' legit question
> has nothing to do with any 'invoking" ... ahaha.. but
> c) instead of addressing Androcles' Issue, you make a "list"
> ... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... because you
> d) **** you, mL, do NOT know the answer, don't you? ***
> So, mL, either dive back into the murky relativity waters wherein
> you, mL, can continue to be "mL, the m_masturbating L_oon"
> and where you can suck up the sphincter of your idol Albert..
> or.... you can redeem yourself and
> explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked:
> ::: WHY does Einstein say that
> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
> ::: and the time each way is the same.
Since you insist hanson, let's make a deal. Ask Androcles
(he doesn't talk to me) to take a look at the wellknown
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
in order to search for the strings
"the speed from A to B is c-v" ,
"the speed from B to A is c+v" .
.. then report back to me if he find any matches.
Is that OK hanson?
hanson
For me it's "Mission accomplished" here in this thread.
I gotta hear what I suspected and they confirmed it.
They gave me wonderful ammo for future games... ahaha
>
The relativists have put their best Einstein Dingleberries
forward. All of these Albert -poster-children have shown to
be scientifically totally incompetent, failures which they then
over compensated with their political fanaticism..
>
I was hoping that one of them would answer you but you
must have terrified these poor bastards to the point where
they can't even stutter properly any longer, like did: ...
uncle rect-Al Schwartz, NoSpern VD, PD-wunderkind,
YBM-Your Basci Moron & the runt, mL, the masturbating
Loser...
>
It is interesting to note that these 5 Jewish posters have
responded in the same genre as does their brother-in-ilk
here, thinking that their loudmouthing would validate them:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM>
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
However, their actions are understandable because SR/GR
is merely a game for mental masturbations which is seen
by its use/application the real world where:
>
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL shit"
== *.edu and grantology ..................."does need REL, No shit"
== Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is shit or not".
>
So, as can be seen by these 5 Jews above they have shown their
colors and performed the cultural duty well... I congratulate them!
>
Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
Androcles
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:xXIPj.5789$Ux4.3819@trnddc07...
You at least have understood, and I congratulate YOU.
Perhaps the worst cases of Einstein Dingleberryism
are Roberts, Baez, Carlip and there kind, for which
the religion is a money maker as it has been throughout history
since the first shaman.
Man is a pathetically dull and stupid creature when he
is part of a herd, a flock, all bleating the same plaintive note.
The follies are built, and will go on being built.
http://www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/Egypt_Sphinx_Giza_Pyramid.jpg
http://www.taxivantha.com/images/angkor_wat_rear.jpg
http://images.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&q=Cathedral
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/timeline/images/brookhaven.jpg
We live and we die, we do nothing to change it; for we too are
part of the insanity of it all. And so we laugh in the face of the doom
to which we have grown accustomed.
For my part, I have seen Algol and made my discovery, and am content.
I share it with those that will receive it.
Go on your way, my friend, walk alone as you have before and may
your journey through the short time we have in this tiny world be
enlightening.
Thank you for sharing with me some of the insights we have given
each other.
YBM
> Thank you for sharing with me some of the insights we have given
> each other.
Both of you provide a faked quote from A.E. paper :
> ::: WHY does Einstein say that
> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
So much for the "insight"... There is one : both of your are
fakers.
BTW, did you notice that, for some weeks, you are posting
the whole of your crappy posts as signatures ? What about
learning something about Usenet etiquette if not about physics
or math ?
mL
> Andro,
> For me it's "Mission accomplished" here in this thread.
Face it hanson, you didn't have the guts, so you bailed
out from your own silly little game. Sad, really sad.
> I gotta hear what I suspected and they confirmed it.
> They gave me wonderful ammo for future games... ahaha
Yep, you need better ammo.
> The relativists have put their best Einstein Dingleberries
> forward. All of these Albert -poster-children have shown to
> be scientifically totally incompetent,
hanson, a physics drop-out, now dresses himself as a
judge on sci matters! That's too much - no sky limit
there!
[ wellknown hansonisms cutted ]
> It is interesting to note that these 5 Jewish posters ..
.. and you are a gipsy hanson - don't you travel a lot?
> Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
Ditto.
mL
> Androcles wrote:
>> Thank you for sharing with me some of the insights we have given
>> each other.
>
> Both of you provide a faked quote from A.E. paper :
>> ::: WHY does Einstein say that
>> ::: the speed from A to B is c-v,
>> ::: the speed from B to A is c+v,
>
> So much for the "insight"... There is one : both of your are
> fakers.
Well, they are both archetypical mythomaniacs:
Androcles, a "Ph.D. (mathematics)" .
The story-teller hanson -- who now and then leaves
for secret "missions" to hot places (mountains in
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and recently Lhasa) --
probably identifying himself with some cartoon
character.
> BTW, did you notice that, for some weeks, you are posting
> the whole of your crappy posts as signatures ? What about
> learning something about Usenet etiquette if not about physics
> or math ?
He makes up his own rules and probably likes it that way.
hanson
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHAHA...
>
>
>
>
the mental Loon,"mL" <mL.b...@elsewhere.xxx>,
an Einstein Dingleberry, cranked himself grievously
" beyond and elsewhere".... ahahahaha...
>
... 'cuz he, ml, the kike, knows nothing about relativity
and so he tried loudmouthing like his brother-in-ilk here
thinking that he could exculpate himself:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM>
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
mL, the kike's, m_asturbating L_unacy is understandable
because it finally dawned on him that SR/GR is merely
a game for mental masturbations which is seen by its
use/application the real world where:
>
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL shit"
== *.edu and grantology ..................."does need REL, No shit"
== Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is shit or not".
>
shown his colors and performed his cultural duty well...
I congratulate you!... "Trust me!".. "Go figure!".... ahahaha...
>
You guys are too much fun to stay away from... ahaha...
Thanks for the laughs.... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson
hanson
>
>
>
"mL", the masticating Loon" <mL.b...@elsewhere.xxx> wrote
in message news:EC0Qj.6477$R_4....@newsb.telia.net...
to YBM, the "Yodeling Boisterous Moron", to console each other,
and to masturbate over relativity which they know nothing about...
ahahaha.. and JEALOUSLY studying the hanson's archive
>
ml wrote:
The story-teller hanson -- who now and then leaves
for secret "missions" to hot places (mountains in
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and recently Lhasa) --
probably identifying himself with some cartoon
character.
>
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... aye, thanks for the
honors, dude. Study it some more. It's good for you.
It will give you some experiences that you in your
cubicle can never have and you only can dream about...
ahahaha.. But thanks for the plug and the laughs though..
>
To boot, your ire now is aggraved but understandable
because it finally dawned on you that SR/GR is merely
a game for mental masturbations which is seen by its
use/application the real world where:
>
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL shit"
== *.edu and grantology ..................."does need REL, No shit"
== Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is shit or not".
>
hanson
....... cranked yourself, didn't you ....
>
>
>
"Your Basic Moron", "YBM" <ybm...@nooos.fr>, le Juif, wrote in
news:480fbe0b$0$5100$426a...@news.free.fr... ffffphhFFFFtttt...
and YBM being an embarrassment for the French people... ahahaha...
>
>
"What about you, YBM, learning something about physics or math?"
YBM, finish Middleschool, instead of watching TV, so that you must
not continue to be "Your Basic Moron" and believe that you do
understand relativity & trying to prove it by loudmouthing like your
brother-in-ilk here hoping that you could exculpate yourself:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM>
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
YBM, Y_ou B_oisterous M_asturbator, your anxieties are
understandable because it finally dawned on you that
is seen by its use/application the real world where:
>
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL shit"
== *.edu and grantology ..................."does need REL, No shit"
== Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as cultural heritage whether "REL is shit or not".
>
fuller...@hotmail.com
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> > i would like to entertain you with a different modell for atoms.
> > You certainly think, thats impossible, but maybe you let me try to
> > explain my idea. If you think of particles as kind of nodes or eddies,
> > the idea of atoms could be changed.
> > A hydrogen atom is the most simple one. If the electron and the proton
> > where one thing, it would look like an atom.
> > I think about a free hydrogen atom this way: there is something I call
> > the mass term. In a certain way it 'screws' into its future. I do follow
> > this from the properties of symmetry of quaternions. Those are
> > scewsymmetric, hence can develop only in one direction. The other
> > directions are blocked by the neighbours. Those are alligned spacelike
> > and spacelike direction is symmetric. The twisting mass-term influences
> > the neighbourhood in spacelike direction too, but the neighbours kick
> > back. This is like a gear in a giantic gearbox turning a lot of other
> > gears instantanious. Only in timelike direction it doesn't. But the mass
> > twist that neighbourhood anyhow and the twist return to their starting
> > point in a bow. In a space plus time view, you may see this as a little
> > ball moving through time.
> >
> > Thomas Heger
>
> Does your model explain the wavelengths of the hydrogen spectral lines?
http://oi57.tinypic.com/14eauew.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Hydrogen_transitions.svg