galactic centers are totally void 'black holes' where the spin is intense enough to split all the virtual pairs
john161008
are ejected out the jets. These HEP streams reconverge
and form new stars- old stars eventually fall back into the
black hole and the neutrons are split into positive and
negative HEPs and ejected out again.
This is also the relation of the electron to the proton- it
is replaced at a constant rate to keep it at the same energy
even though it is constantly radiating.
And the energy that the proton draws to do this comes from
absorbing the energy of gravitation, which is why it gravitates.
Essentially, the proton gravitates because the electron radiates.
Galaxy Model for the Atom
Sam Wormley
> into positive and negative high-energy particles which
> are ejected out the jets. These HEP streams reconverge
> and form new stars- old stars eventually fall back into the
> black hole and the neutrons are split into positive and
> negative HEPs and ejected out again.
Has the smell of bullshit, John.
john161008
It ties up so many loose ends, though, Sam.
And we put cowshit on our lawns to make them
healthy, right?
For instance; no 'smallest particle'.
It is a continuum- a repeating fractal.
Every proton is a black hole. But these
holes aren't compacted matter- they are where the
matter came from when the spin was centered
there. Now there is nothing there. It is void:
because of the spin at the center, all the
virtual pairs have split- literally- and been driven
out the jets as HEPs which subsequently become
recombined as matter orbitting that center.
The electron.
John
galaxy model
Sam Wormley
>
> Every proton is a black hole.
Protons appear to be stable particles.
Black hole warmer than their surroundings
are thought to evaporate.
john161008
You won't see a galactic center
evaporate, either. They are a standing
wave. They feed back on themselves so it
takes less energy to maintain them than to
break them up.
BHs *produce* the matter surrounding them. They are a "kink" in
spacetime
where the virtual particles cannot stay; they are constantly shot back
out the jets.
The picture of black holes forming when matter starts collapsing in on
itself all over the universe and then pulling the remaining matter in
close to themselves so there is very little matter anywhere but close
to
these black holes- I just can't see it.
If the BHs are using gravity to attract their matter, then closer
matter
should be long gone and there would only be matter in any
concentration *far* from
the BHs.
The BH *produces* the matter. That's why the matter surrounds the BH.
john
galaxy model
Ivan Gorelik
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > john161008 wrote:
>
> > > Every proton is a black hole.
Yes. Every particle, having the rest mass, is some sort of black hole.
Every such particle consumes the thread of space-time, and all of them
are growing synchronically, comparatively to the “stable” reddening
photons.
That is true in the stationery model of Universe.
> > Protons appear to be stable particles.
This is correct in the Big Bang model of Universe, - massive particles
are stable, and photons are constantly redshifted. But this model is
invalid from my own point of view.
> > Black hole warmer than their surroundings
> > are thought to evaporate.
>
> You won't see a galactic center
> evaporate, either. They are a standing
> wave. They feed back on themselves so it
> takes less energy to maintain them than to
> break them up.
> BHs *produce* the matter surrounding them.
There are no black holes. There are neutron holes, which transform the
mass of ordinary matter into super strong compact magnetic field. One
part of accreting matter is captured by neutron holes. Another part of
matter is torn into small pieces by this field and is ejected into
galactic radio-jets.
Observations show that observable black holes are not the same as
theoretical black holes. Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetospheric_eternally_collapsing_objects
The Hawking evaporation is even more fantastic theory than the theory
of black holes.
Neutron holes/droplets will not evaporate at the temperatures near 0
K. Such temperature is ordinary at the collider’s detectors. Neutron
holes/droplets will grow at cool detectors and after they will be able
to capture the ordinary matter at higher temperatures.
In a couple of months we all will go to the stars in ice comets if we
will not stop to collide particles with the energy more then 1 TeV.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/7cc1b76d09a0c0a4/160c83b873951c07?hl=en#160c83b873951c07
http://forum.lhcdefense.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=93&sid=9c6f3e2ad52e68140dcd569e213ec555
What will LHC give us: mass-creating Higgs bosons, or neutron holes,
transforming the mass of ordinary matter into the stationery magnetic
field?
Dear physicists, in the sake of your and my children I beg you, stop
powerful colliders. Politics, bankers, housekeepers do not know the
difference between the planet and the star. No they, nor we do not
know exactly what is the neutron star and magnetar. There is a very
big probability to make the embryo of neutron star in the collider. We
must explain this to ordinary people. Powerful colliders must be
closed, the construction of new colliders must be forbidden by
international law.
Best wishes to you. Let’s our children live in piece in the safe
world.
Ivan Gorelik.
Sam Wormley
>
> Dear physicists, in the sake of your and my children I beg you, stop
> powerful colliders. Politics, bankers, housekeepers do not know the
> difference between the planet and the star. No they, nor we do not
> know exactly what is the neutron star and magnetar. There is a very
> big probability to make the embryo of neutron star in the collider. We
> must explain this to ordinary people. Powerful colliders must be
> closed, the construction of new colliders must be forbidden by
> international law.
>
> Best wishes to you. Let’s our children live in piece in the safe
> world.
> Ivan Gorelik.
Start by getting a better education.
o The energy that can be supplied to a collision by the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared to similar collision
(cosmic rays) taking place over your head right here right now.
Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
in the LHC.
o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
accelerators in the past. Low mass black holes have an exceedingly
short lifetime. t = m^3/(1.194 x 10^16 kg^3/s)
o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
to have any substantial mass.
o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
sustain itself.
hanson
>
"Ivan Gorelik" <darke...@yandex.ru> wrote
Every particle, having the rest mass, is some sort
In a couple of months we all will go to the stars in
ice comets if we will not stop to collide particles
with the energy more then 1 TeV.
>
this to ordinary people. Powerful colliders must be
closed, the construction of new colliders must be
Let’s our children live in piece in the safe world.
Ivan Gorelik.
>
Bravo!.. Bravo!.. Bravissimo!.. Ivan, my old comrade.
Yes, we have heard you. Now you must come off your
soapbox and get to work. Don a frock and a pointed,
goldpainted hat & travel the land with a huge collection
plate in hand and spread the word... Nuzzle yourself
into Russia's high society and out-perform Rasputin.
>
Then when you have enough influence & money go to
Geneva, pay off and bribe the bastards there at CERN
sufficiently well (plus a Dacha in the Crimea, of course)
so that they will leave their job at the LHC.. because if
LHC loses 30-40% of the scientists the work will stop.
>
... and you will be the savior of the world. Get busy!
and of course, thanks for the laughs, Ivan!... ahaha...
AAHAHAHAHAH....ahahahanson
>
>
"Ivan Gorelik" <darke...@yandex.ru> wrote in
message
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john161008 wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > john161008 wrote:
> > > Every proton is a black hole.
>
Yes. Every particle, having the rest mass, is some sort
Every such particle consumes the thread of space-time,
and all of them are growing synchronically,
comparatively to the “stable” reddening photons.
That is true in the stationery model of Universe.
>
> > Protons appear to be stable particles.
>
This is correct in the Big Bang model of Universe, - massive
particles are stable, and photons are constantly redshifted.
But this model is invalid from my own point of view.
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > Black hole warmer than their surroundings
> > are thought to evaporate.
>
john161008 wrote:
> You won't see a galactic center
> evaporate, either. They are a standing
> wave. They feed back on themselves so it
> takes less energy to maintain them than to
> break them up.
> BHs *produce* the matter surrounding them.
>
"Ivan Gorelik" wrote:
There are no black holes. [2] There are neutron holes, which
Ivan Gorelik
…
> Start by getting a better education.
>
> o The energy that can be supplied to a collision by the Large
> Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared to similar collision
> (cosmic rays) taking place over your head right here right now.
> Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
> greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
> in the LHC.
Will dinosaur survive if it will be dropped from the outer space with
the light velocity? The particles, made by cosmic rays, have such
velocities, that their surrounding matter will have the temperature
much more above one billion Kelvin.
> o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
> accelerators in the past. Low mass black holes have an exceedingly
> short lifetime. t = m^3/(1.194 x 10^16 kg^3/s)
Don’t joke. Those several received 200 Gev particles were not
identified clearly.
> o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
> to have any substantial mass.
Spherically symmetric micro black hole is nonsense, contradicting to
quantum physics. It is possible that LHC will make the family of
growing particles. No one will be able to stop their growth.
> o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
> sustain itself.
Yes, microscopic black hole is fiction, but the neutron hole/droplet
is much more real and much more dangerous for our Civilization.
I repeat:
Sam Wormley
You should learn some nuclear physics.
You want a neutron star... you'll nead at least 1.44 solar masses
with no fusion to hold up the mass against gravity.
Ivan Gorelik
> You should learn some nuclear physics.
I would be glad if CERN dropped the LHC idea, and would take into
account my idea in nuclear physics. I mean the fusion reaction of
hydrogen and isotope K39 with catalyst K40, surviving in the reaction.
K40 + H1 ---> Ca40 + n + 0,529 MeV;
K39 + n ---> K40 + 7,8 MeV.
Did you see such reaction earlier?
Can you write the analogues reaction?
If CERN will use this reaction, the mankind will have the
inexhaustible energy source.
If CERN will drop the idea of powerful colliders, we will continue to
live in the safe world.
The history of finding this reaction you can find on my page
http://www.geocities.com/igorelik/rtm3.html
> You want a neutron star... you'll nead at least 1.44 solar masses
> with no fusion to hold up the mass against gravity.
Observations show that the mass of neutron star can by much smaller.
As a result theorists investigate now the models of neutron stars with
much less mass as 1.44 solar mass.
I, personally, think that the main force in the neutron stars/holes/
droplets is the magnetic force.
For their properties look here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/7cc1b76d09a0c0a4/160c83b873951c07?hl=en#160c83b873951c07
or here http://forum.lhcdefense.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=93&sid=9c6f3e2ad52e68140dcd569e213ec555
These neutron droplets/holes have some properties of black holes and
some properties of MECO.
The last is described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetospheric_eternally_collapsing_objects
Sam Wormley
In reality, your idea will be ignored for lack of merit and
the LHC will likely go on to contributing to new understanding
about the universe. Many high energy physicists are looking
forward to potentially new physics.
Eventually, you can be happy that you were so wrong.
john161008
> > or herehttp://forum.lhcdefense.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=93&sid=9c6f3e2ad52e6...
> > These neutron droplets/holes have some properties of black holes and
> > some properties of MECO.
> > The last is described here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetospheric_eternally_collapsing_objects
>
> > I repeat:
>
> > Dear physicists, in the sake of your and my children I beg you, stop
> > powerful colliders. Politics, bankers, housekeepers do not know the
> > difference between the planet and the star. No they, nor we do not
> > know exactly what is the neutron star and magnetar. There is a very
> > big probability to make the embryo of neutron star in the collider. We
> > must explain this to ordinary people. Powerful colliders must be
> > closed, the construction of new colliders must be forbidden by
> > international law.
>
> > Best wishes to you. Let’s our children live in piece in the safe
> > world.
> > Ivan Gorelik.
>
> In reality, your idea will be ignored for lack of merit and
> the LHC will likely go on to contributing to new understanding
> about the universe. Many high energy physicists are looking
> forward to potentially new physics.
>
> Eventually, you can be happy that you were so wrong.
LHC.............go on................??
with the ground movement over 26 miles
I'll bet they never get those magnets lined up.
John
Ivan Gorelik
hanson wrote:
> ---- AHAHAHA -- Good one! -- AHAHAHA ----
>
> >Every particle, having the rest mass, is some sort
> >of black hole. [1].. vs.. There are no black holes. [2].
Did you laugh from a contradiction?
Hanson, I hope you understand me.
I repeat, in the microworld there are no classic black holes. But
every stable elementary particle has the properties of black holes.
Some of the creators of LHC indeed are waiting for classic black
holes, and expect that mBHs will be evaporated. Another large group of
physicists are waiting for Higgs bosons, and expect that Higgs will
decay.
I think that both of these groups are self-confident idiots. Collider
can give a family of massive particles with 1000-10000 mass of proton.
Majority of these particles will be unstable and decay. But it is not
excluded that some of these particle will be stable and will grow,
capturing the ordinary matter. The neutron holes/droplets are most
real candidates to be stable. They are the embryos of neutron stars.
You wrote:
> Bravo!.. Bravo!.. Bravissimo!.. Ivan, my old comrade.
> Yes, we have heard you. Now you must come off your
> soapbox and get to work. Don a frock and a pointed,
> goldpainted hat & travel the land with a huge collection
> plate in hand and spread the word... Nuzzle yourself
> into Russia's high society and out-perform Rasputin.
>
> Then when you have enough influence & money go to
> Geneva, pay off and bribe the bastards there at CERN
> sufficiently well (plus a Dacha in the Crimea, of course)
> so that they will leave their job at the LHC.. because if
> LHC loses 30-40% of the scientists the work will stop.
>
> ... and you will be the savior of the world. Get busy!
> and of course, thanks for the laughs, Ivan!... ahaha...
> AAHAHAHAHAH....ahahahanson
I liked your laughter but I did not understand anything you said,
except “Dacha in the Crimea”.
Sancho, Wagner, Golota and other reasonable persons are trying to stop
the collider. But it seems that leaders of CERN will not stop their
costly projects, and they will continue their dangerous experiments
with Nature.
Let’s analyze the intermediate situation. Let the rate of neutron
star’s embryo growth will be small.
June, 2009. Collider is stopped. All its magnets are radiating high
energy gamma-photons, electrons, positrons. The radioactivity is
growing every day.
All specialists from CERN, wearing the prison clothes, are gathered at
the LHC. Their first task is to excavate all magnets from the collider
and put them on the land surface. The second task is to drag out all
harmful embryos from the magnets and to hide them into the magnetic
bottles. The third task is to put all magnetic bottles into the space
rockets and send them out of the Solar system.
June, 2010. The embryos, which were not caught, and which had gone
inside the Earth, become very active. Earthquakes, growing atmosphere
pressure, constant pain in ears, epidemics, hunger, cannibalism… Alive
will envy dead.
How many times the growing and fusing embryos will eject their
overheated shell into the outer space? I think the neutron star’s
embryo will explode 3-5 times, and the Earth will be finished. Then,
after the 10-meter embryo come to the Sun, it will begin to capture
the solar matter. I think the embryo will explode 10-100 times with
the period 10-100 years, and the Sun will be finished. At its place
the new 10-kilomeer neutron star will appear.
The explosions of novae are the mourning funeral marches of dying
civilizations.
----------------------
The LHC needs two MIG-23. What kind of death do you prefer?
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hanson
---- AHAHAHA -- Good one! (2) -- AHAHAHA ----
>
"Ivan Gorelik" <darke...@yandex.ru>
The LHC needs two MIG-23. What kind of death do you prefer?
>
Hey, dude!... Why do you wanna start WW3 over that?
If the fucking LHC is going the blow up and eat the earth
then why do we need MIG 23s?... Get me 23 M-arvelous
I-vana G-irls who will blow and eat me instead...
Make love, not war, Gorelik!
>
Ivan Gorelik then continued & wrote in message
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> >
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
Hi, Hanson!
Every particle, having the rest mass, is some sort
of black hole. [1].. vs.. There are no black holes. [2].
Did you laugh from a contradiction?
>
No, No, for heavens sake I would think of it... ahaha...
>
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
Hanson, I hope you understand me.
I repeat, in the microworld there are no classic black holes.
>
Of, cousre, of course, if you say so. I can't see'em
neither. My eyes ain't what they used to be...
>
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
But every stable elementary particle has the properties of black holes.
>
Yes, they all do. And we went over that before, years ago.
Google/groups: == author:han...@quick.net m_e m_p ==
wherein it says to great numerical accuracy:
>
m_e = [c^2/G] * [sqrt(hG/(2pi*c^3)] * [1/(f_L*F)] * a*pi*sqrt(3)/3
IOW,
Electron mass = Kerr.radius * Plank length * Coulomb shroud.
>
or
m_p = [c^2/2G]*[sqrt(hG/(2pi*c^3)]*[I_H/(f_L*F)]*(3*pi^2)*sqrt(2a)
IOW,
Proton mass = Schw.radius * Plank length * Ionisation parameters.
>
Now Ivan,
based on that you may also calculate the neutron- and your
neutron droplet mass and then you can RELAX.. because the
free neutrons will "evaporate" into the above parent particle/
antiparticle which will hang around for a long, LONG time...
>
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
Some of the creators of LHC indeed are waiting for classic black
holes, and expect that mBHs will be evaporated. Another large group of
physicists are waiting for Higgs bosons, and expect that Higgs will
decay.
I think that both of these groups are self-confident idiots. Collider
can give a family of massive particles with 1000-10000 mass of proton.
Majority of these particles will be unstable and decay. But it is not
excluded that some of these particle will be stable and will grow,
capturing the ordinary matter. The neutron holes/droplets are most
real candidates to be stable. They are the embryos of neutron stars.
hanson wrote:
Bravo!.. Bravo!.. Bravissimo!.. Ivan, my old comrade.
Yes, we have heard you. Now you must come off your
soapbox and get to work. Don a frock and a pointed,
goldpainted hat & travel the land with a huge collection
plate in hand and spread the word... Nuzzle yourself
into Russia's high society and out-perform Rasputin.
>
Then when you have enough influence & money go to
Geneva, pay off and bribe the bastards there at CERN
sufficiently well (plus a Dacha in the Crimea, of course)
so that they will leave their job at the LHC.. because if
LHC loses 30-40% of the scientists the work will stop.
>
and you will be the savior of the world. Get busy!
and of course, thanks for the laughs, Ivan!... ahaha...
AAAHAHAHAHAH....ahahahanson
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
I liked your laughter but I did not understand anything
you said, except “Dacha in the Crimea”.
>
hanson wrote:
Ivan, my old comrade, I think you are better off if you
don't understand... But you should try to laugh..
.. in & out of the “Dacha in the Crimea” ... and about
your worries over the LHC... ahahahahaha....
>
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
Sancho, Wagner, Golota and other reasonable persons
are trying to stop the collider. But it seems that leaders
of CERN will not stop their costly projects, and they will
continue their dangerous experiments with Nature.
>
hanson wrote:
Ivan, there are 3 ways to bring on an end to your worries:
(1) the way which you told you above but which you
said you could not understand
(2) Let Sancho, Wagner, Golota, etc, hire & pay me
and I will go on the picket line with them and loudly
protest against the LHC...
(3) Invan, write to CERNs head honcho and tell him to
check about the attitude in sci.physics before he
fires up the beats...
>
Ivan, I have no comments on your borscht below. See, you
and me are wired differently, if you understand what I say.
So I wish you, TRULY, all the best in your endeavors...
and again, thanks for the laughs, Ivan.... ahahahanson.