That damned LHC needs two MIG-23.
Ivan Gorelik
Reasonable physicists must gather together and write an open letter to
UN, to presidents and governments of developed countries. The letter
must contain:
1) the explanation of the risk of global catastrophe, which can be
initiated by collider;
2) the appeal to close all colliders with the energy of colliding
particles more than 1 TeV.
We have only few weeks to do that.
No one will eliminate the risk, except you, physicists.
http://forum.lhcdefense.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=93&sid=9c6f3e2ad52e68140dcd569e213ec555
Occipital
Wrong !!!
You dont need that shit
The Watchers in Ufo from other planets will save the Earth as they did
so many times before,
Yees, they protect their investment!!!
There is putrid capitalism allover in this stoopid Universe
shuba
> I hope that wisdom will win.
> Reasonable physicists must gather together and write an open letter to
> UN, to presidents and governments of developed countries.
Reasonable physicists? On usenet? Good luck with that plan.
Wouldn't it be more effective to gather together ranting crazies
for a letter-writing campaign? Oh wait... nevermind.
---Tim Shuba---
Paul B. Andersen
At least this was a new variant.
The Earth won't be eaten by black holes, but by neutron droplets! :-)
--
Paul
Igor
You have alot longer than that, since the LHC probably won't be fired
up again until next spring. Actually you have until hell freezes
over, since your case is completely irrational.
funkenstein
3) an urgent appeal to shield the entire solar system in a sphere of
concrete to avoid the constant stream of 1000TeV and greater cosmic
rays that collide with us
Ivan Gorelik
> > I hope that wisdom will win.
> > Reasonable physicists must gather together and write an open letter to
> > UN, to presidents and governments of developed countries. The letter
> > must contain:
> > 1) the explanation of the risk of global catastrophe, which can be
> > initiated by collider;
> > 2) the appeal to close all colliders with the energy of colliding
> > particles more than 1 TeV.
> > We have only few weeks to do that.
> > No one will eliminate the risk, except you, physicists.http://forum.lhcdefense.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=93&sid=9c6f3e2ad52e6...
funkenstein wrote:
> 3) an urgent appeal to shield the entire solar system in a sphere of
> concrete to avoid the constant stream of 1000TeV and greater cosmic
> rays that collide with us
Ivan Gorelik wrote:
The neutron hole/drop made in collision of cosmic rays and atmosphere
particles has velocity which is very close to the speed of light. The
temperature of its surrounding will be much more than many-many
billions Kelvin. As a result it will evaporate immediately.
But the neutron hole/drop made in collision of protons in LHC can have
almost zero velocity. That corresponds to a temperature, near to 0K.
Consequently, the neutron hole/drop made on collider will not
evaporate, but will grow.
The risk of global catastrophe is very high. And CERN becomes the
global terrorist. Who can stop CERN?
dlzc
On Oct 20, 7:54 am, Ivan Gorelik <darkene...@yandex.ru> wrote:
...
> funkenstein wrote:
> > 3) an urgent appeal to shield the entire
> > solar system in a sphere of concrete to
> > avoid the constant stream of 1000TeV and
> > greater cosmic rays that collide with us
>
> The neutron hole/drop made in collision of
> cosmic rays and atmosphere particles has
> velocity which is very close to the speed
> of light.
Almost right. Once they interact, they most commonly interact many,
many times creating a shower of energetic "fragments" with
progressively slower velocities.
> The temperature of its surrounding will
> be much more than many-many billions
> Kelvin. As a result it will evaporate
> immediately.
The temperature of the environs is inconsequential. However, if you
are interested in the facts, the background temperature being lower
allows for more rapid evaporation. LHC has a very low temperature, if
not as low as the CMBR.
> But the neutron hole/drop made in
> collision of protons in LHC can have
> almost zero velocity. That corresponds
> to a temperature, near to 0K.
... kinetic motion of a single entity has no effect on evaporation
rate. Such motion applies to "gasses" and temperature. Essentially
you speed the time rate of the object, allowing it to evaporate
faster, by not having it moving rapidly wrt the lab frame.
> Consequently, the neutron hole/drop
> made on collider will not evaporate,
Incorrect. Already been done with more massive nucleii, and high
intensity. Evaporated.
By the way, neutrons have a short half-life... they will also
evaporate without massive gravity to drive their decay prodcuts back
together.
> but will grow. The risk of global
> catastrophe is very high. And CERN
> becomes the global terrorist. Who
> can stop CERN?
Winter.
David A. Smith
Ivan Gorelik
> Ivan Gorelik wrote:
> > funkenstein wrote:
> > > 3) an urgent appeal to shield the entire
> > > solar system in a sphere of concrete to
> > > avoid the constant stream of 1000TeV and
> > > greater cosmic rays that collide with us
>
> > The neutron hole/drop made in collision of
> > cosmic rays and atmosphere particles has
> > velocity which is very close to the speed
> > of light.
>
> Almost right. Once they interact, they most commonly interact many,
> many times creating a shower of energetic "fragments" with
> progressively slower velocities.
The neutron hole/drop made in collision of cosmic rays and atmosphere
particles will be overheated, and explode almost immediately.
> > The temperature of its surrounding will
> > be much more than many-many billions
> > Kelvin. As a result it will evaporate
> > immediately.
>
> The temperature of the environs is inconsequential. However, if you
> are interested in the facts, the background temperature being lower
> allows for more rapid evaporation. LHC has a very low temperature, if
> not as low as the CMBR.
CMBR is not an argument. Did you see how a meteorite enters into the
upper atmosphere? Why are they so bright? But before the melting, it
really had very low temperature.
> > But the neutron hole/drop made in
> > collision of protons in LHC can have
> > almost zero velocity. That corresponds
> > to a temperature, near to 0K.
>
> ... kinetic motion of a single entity has no effect on evaporation
> rate. Such motion applies to "gasses" and temperature. Essentially
> you speed the time rate of the object, allowing it to evaporate
> faster, by not having it moving rapidly wrt the lab frame.
The microscopic neutron hole/drop will capture ordinary matter. It
will have microscopic accretion disk and microscopic jets. It will
live some time inside of magnet on the LHC. If it will be overheated
it will explode, if not – it will grow further. The LHC is the ideal
place, the best kinder garden, for the embryo of neutron star. Pump
the heat from their magnetic bed and it will grow faster.
> > Consequently, the neutron hole/drop
> > made on collider will not evaporate,
>
> Incorrect. Already been done with more massive nucleii, and high
> intensity. Evaporated.
Don’t lie. No one had already done it on the Earth. But soon we will
make it on the LHC.
> By the way, neutrons have a short half-life... they will also
> evaporate without massive gravity to drive their decay prodcuts back
> together.
The computation shows that even two neutrons bonded into a neutron
hole have sufficient binding energy in order to prevent “evaporation”
though “15 minutes free-neutron-decay”. But the binding energy of
proton-neutron pair is greater and because of this the coupled neutron
pair will immediately undergo the beta decay, and will transform into
deuterium nuclei. The binding energy of two neutrons bonded into a
neutron droplet is smaller comparatively with that of neutron hole,
and is not known yet.
> > but will grow. The risk of global
> > catastrophe is very high. And CERN
> > becomes the global terrorist. Who
> > can stop CERN?
>
> Winter.
Do not joke. It seems nobody does understand the threat from the
embryo of neutron star. It seems that it will be made soon. Then I
have several questions.
1) What form will have the ferromagnetic material, if it would be
liquid?
2) The growing embryo will radiate high energy particles. It will live
some time inside of some magnet, consuming it. Who will operate with
that radioactive magnet in order to put it on the space-rocket? What
if the embryo will drop out from that magnet at the time of the rocket
start?
3) After we will know that the embryo is already made, the people will
want to punish the creators of the collider. How to kill them? What
kind of death do you prefer?
greysky
"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b....@guesswhatuia.no> wrote in message
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I'm sure you ont feel so smug when one of those droplets passes through your
sphincter at the wrong time,.,,