What if: the Jewish Media had NOT hyped Einstein?
Tom Potter
on useless experiments such as speculation
about the beginning and end of the universe,
and young, gullible kids
saving thousands of hours they wasted in pursuit of
what they fantasize is powerful, esoteric knowledge,
and minds, time, and money wasted that could
have been spent on DNA, chemical and quantum research,
and investor's money being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design,
what other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
mess up society?
Would the world be better off if the Pope was a friend of Einstein's,
like the Pope was a friend of Galileo,
and he told Einstein:
"Cool it Al, time, money, and minds shouldn't be wasted
on time travel, worm holes, warped space,
and rubber clocks and rulers,
because minds are terrible things to waste."
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Sam Wormley
> Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
> on useless experiments such as speculation
> about the beginning and end of the universe,
>
We like to know where we've been ans where we are going, Potter.
You can waste your time and energy frothing and sputtering if
you like... Just because you are uneducated... doesn't make your
opinion valid for the rest of us.
hanson
>
Now the Einstein Dingleberries will feel insulted
and call you an Anti-Semite... hahahahahaha...
and the Kikes will call you anti-semitic since you
pointed at Jewish Media machinations, some
of which are detailed in here...ahahahaha...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/2cefad4e8c597438?hl=en
Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
>
"Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
news:g9u7r4$dkd$1...@aioe.org...
Darwin123
I know one thing that wouldn't have happened if the Jewish Media
had not hyped Einstein. One thing that wouldn't happen is that H. A.
Lorentz, or any of the other contributors to relativity theory, would
not get any credit.
The Nazis was a populist movement. Many of the really True
Believing Nazi's were anti intellectual in general. They gave
theoretical physicists of all religions and ethnic groups problems.
When Hitler ranted against "Jewish physics," he wasn't just ranting
against Jews in physics.
The physics associations in Germany were being attacked. The Nazi
government was talking about eliminating funding for all "esoteric"
subjects. They were just as mad at people like Lorentz as they were at
Einstein. They burned books by Darwin as well as Einstein.
A lot of kooky hayseed laymen were supported by the Nazis. Look up
"frozen moon theory." The biggest qualification of the nut who made
that up was that he was a refrigerator repairman. To the Nazi
leadership, being a refrigerator repairman meant more than being a
physicist with mathematical education. Mystical versions of history
were being supported. The leadership was more into magic.
If Heisenberg hadn'tpushed the idea that relativity was made up by
H. A. Lorentz, the Nazi's wouldn't have worked on the bomb. Why?
Because relativity was wrong? Because the atom bomb was a horrible
weapon? NO! Because they were going to throw away relativity on the
basis that a Jew had invented it.
How many high schools are named after H. A. Lorentz? Very few.
But this is because H. A. Lorentz's own people, the Germans, didn't
value his work. Jews honored Einstein, sure. He has become a Jewish
folk hero. However, the reason for this is that the Jews respect
scholarship. They don't reject "theory" as "impractical." They don't
value illiteracy and tostesterone as "genius."
If the Jewish media hadn't hyped Einstein, illiterate red
neck's would have crushed the intellectuals of Germany and Europe.
Heisenberg and other sell out physicists would have been able to
develop the nuclear bomb earlier. The Nazi's would conquer the world,
and then the Nazi's could kill off all these "impractical" scholars
like Heisenberg and Lorentz.
Excuse me, Lorentz died of "heart disease" while Hitler was having
a purge. Since all official documentation was done by Nazi's, it is
quite possible that "heart disease" is a euphemism for "Gestapo." So
it is quite possible the Nazi's already killed Lorentz. But back to
the issue.
Then we would have a red neck culture, where everybody thinks
with their genitals and there would be no "theory" and no "diversity."
As Hitler fortold, four fifths of the population in each generation
would be killed by warfare or mass murder, forever. The Slavs would be
kept slaves, but they would be allowed "religion." Darwin would be
banned, Einstein would be banned, Lorentz would be banned, Mann would
be banned. The schools would teach from Mein Kampf, the Bible, and
perhaps Nietze. And schools would stop teaching "esoteric" subjects to
the happiness of functional illiterates like yourself.
Dirk Van de moortel
ab00a9ce-99b4-4819...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
Lorentz own people were not the Germans :-)
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1902/lorentz-bio.html
> Jews honored Einstein, sure. He has become a Jewish
> folk hero. However, the reason for this is that the Jews respect
> scholarship. They don't reject "theory" as "impractical." They don't
> value illiteracy and tostesterone as "genius."
> If the Jewish media hadn't hyped Einstein, illiterate red
> neck's would have crushed the intellectuals of Germany and Europe.
> Heisenberg and other sell out physicists would have been able to
> develop the nuclear bomb earlier. The Nazi's would conquer the world,
> and then the Nazi's could kill off all these "impractical" scholars
> like Heisenberg and Lorentz.
> Excuse me, Lorentz died of "heart disease" while Hitler was having
> a purge. Since all official documentation was done by Nazi's, it is
> quite possible that "heart disease" is a euphemism for "Gestapo." So
> it is quite possible the Nazi's already killed Lorentz. But back to
> the issue.
> Then we would have a red neck culture, where everybody thinks
> with their genitals and there would be no "theory" and no "diversity."
> As Hitler fortold, four fifths of the population in each generation
> would be killed by warfare or mass murder, forever. The Slavs would be
> kept slaves, but they would be allowed "religion." Darwin would be
> banned, Einstein would be banned, Lorentz would be banned, Mann would
> be banned. The schools would teach from Mein Kampf, the Bible, and
> perhaps Nietze.
No Nietsche, definitely not :-)
They might have stolen one of his ideas but Nietsche was much
too smart. Have you read his Antichrist?
> And schools would stop teaching "esoteric" subjects to
> the happiness of functional illiterates like yourself.
:-)
Dirk Vdm
Dirk Van de moortel
uYBwk.431614$JM.5...@newsfe16.ams2
> Darwin123 <drose...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ab00a9ce-99b4-4819...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
[snip]
>> perhaps Nietze.
>
> No Nietsche, definitely not :-)
and no Nietzsche either ;-)
Dirk Vdm
Eric Gisse
[snip]
What if: tom potter posted his antisemitic shit on his blog instead of
newsgroups that hate him.
Benj
> On Sep 6, 11:32 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
> I know one thing that wouldn't have happened if the Jewish Media
> had not hyped Einstein. One thing that wouldn't happen is that H. A.
> Lorentz, or any of the other contributors to relativity theory, would
> not get any credit.
> The Nazis was a populist movement. Many of the really True
> Believing Nazi's were anti intellectual in general. They gave
> theoretical physicists of all religions and ethnic groups problems.
> When Hitler ranted against "Jewish physics," he wasn't just ranting
> against Jews in physics.
<snip rest of intellectual treatise on the populist science movement
among the Nazis>
That sure sounds awfully "intellectual" to me! You know in Cambodia
and a host of other places we had a plan for "intellectuals" like you
and Potter. First we pass "gun control" to disarm everyone except
those in power. Then we gather up all you "intellectuals" and ship
them by boxcar out to the farm fields and rice paddies. Nothing like a
few months of back-breaking real labor to show the "value" of a good
"theory". And then if that "re-education" doesn't get those
"intellectual thoughts" out of your heads, a quick rifle butt to the
skull does the job! No need to even waste valuable ammunition on the
likes of you! And score one against the enemies of populism!
It's worked before and it can work again if you'll just elect the
correct leadership!
HardySpicer
Isn't it just ironic that so many Americans died to help defeat the
Nazis and now their own country is semi-fascist!!
Hardy
schoenf...@gmail.com
> Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
> on useless experiments such as speculation
> about the beginning and end of the universe,
>
> and young, gullible kids
> saving thousands of hours they wasted in pursuit of
> what they fantasize is powerful, esoteric knowledge,
>
> and minds, time, and money wasted that could
> have been spent on DNA, chemical and quantum research,
>
> and investor's money being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design,
> what other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
> mess up society?
You should not confuse spacetime physics as belonging to Einstein.
Spacetime was discovered by Hermann Minkowski in 190. It was first
successfully curved by David Hilbert although the concepts of curved
spacetime date from 1909.
Those of us who fight for and promote the truth are familiar with the
Jewish supremacist brigades who twist, distort and outright lie on
wikipedia. Don't fall for their deception that Minkowski was Jewish.
Without the Jewish media the truth about the Holohoax would be also be
revealed.
Did you know it was not Germans killing Jews in WW2, it was Jews
killing Germans?
How do we know those photos of starved out prisoners were not the 1
million German POWs starved to death by Jewish Einsenhower?
Jewish David Cole who courageously stood up to his blood-thirsty
leadership exposed the Holohoax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM
[...]
schoenf...@gmail.com
> You should not confuse spacetime physics as belonging to Einstein.
> Spacetime was discovered by Hermann Minkowski in 190. It was first
Hermann Minkowski discovered spacetime in 1908. [...]
Sam Wormley
Interesting that you would post that Schoenfeld.
Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
"While spacetime can be viewed as a consequence of Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of
special relativity, it was first explicitly proposed mathematically by one of his
teachers, the mathematician Hermann Minkowski, in a 1908 essay [1] building on and
extending Einstein's work. His concept of Minkowski space is the earliest treatment of
space and time as two aspects of a unified whole, the essence of special relativity. The
idea of Minkowski space also led to special relativity being viewed in a more geometrical
way, this geometric viewpoint of spacetime being important in general relativity too. (For
an English translation of Minkowski's article, see Lorentz et al. 1952.) The 1926
thirteenth edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica included an article by Einstein titled
"Space-Time".[2]"
Y.Porat
> ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA...
>
> Now the Einstein Dingleberries will feel insulted
> and call you an Anti-Semite... hahahahahaha...
> and the Kikes will call you anti-semitic since you
> pointed at Jewish Media machinations, some
> Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
> "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g9u7r4$dkd$1...@aioe.org...
> Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
> on useless experiments such as speculation
> about the beginning and end of the universe,
>
> and young, gullible kids
> saving thousands of hours they wasted in pursuit of
> what they fantasize is powerful, esoteric knowledge,
>
> and minds, time, and money wasted that could
> have been spent on DNA, chemical and quantum research,
>
> and investor's money being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design,
> what other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
> mess up society?
>
> Would the world be better off if the Pope was a friend of Einstein's,
> like the Pope was a friend of Galileo,
> and he told Einstein:
>
-----------------------
Hanson my fried
i am a jew
and i claim that :
SR IS RIGHT !!
GR IS WRONG !!
and we should not mix science with racism !!
(thats the worst thing to doin science !!)
ATB
Y.Porat
------------------------------
hanson
news:027ba89d-d749-4eaf...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
"Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
> news:g9u7r4$dkd$1...@aioe.org...
Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
on useless experiments such as speculation
about the beginning and end of the universe,
and young, gullible kids saving thousands of hours
they wasted in pursuit of what they fantasize is
powerful, esoteric knowledge, and minds, time, and
money wasted that could have been spent on DNA,
chemical and quantum research, and investor's money
being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design, what
other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
mess up society?
Would the world be better off if the Pope was a friend
of Einstein's, like the Pope was a friend of Galileo,
shouldn't be wasted on time travel, worm holes, warped
space, and rubber clocks and rulers, because minds are
terrible things to waste."
>
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA...
Now the Einstein Dingleberries will feel insulted
and call you an Anti-Semite... hahahahahaha...
pointed at Jewish Media machinations, some
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/2cefad4e8c597438?hl=en
Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
Yehiel Porat wrote:
[1] ://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Hanson my fried
i am a jew and i claim that : SR IS RIGHT !! GR IS WRONG !!
and we should not mix science with racism !!
(thats the worst thing to doin science !!)
------------------------------
hanson worte:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... complain to ANdrocles about
[1] instead of me... ahahahaha... I didn't write [1] except
I may have commented on it because it is hilarious and
simply a sarcastic response to Jew John Baez's ORIGINAL
old crackpot list... Yehi, if Baez would NOT have started
it first, then neither Potter nor Androcles would have written
their responses and made that [1] ... or do you propose
that free speech should be here only for Jews??!!! ... ...
Do you, Yehi?... or --- Different strokes for different folks?
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
>
On your point of you being a Jew and your views that
"SR IS RIGHT! GR IS WRONG!!":-- GOOD for you, Yehi!
I guess that turns you into a "Semi-Einstein-Dingleberry"
if you omit the "tic"... ahahahaha... but that is cool too!...
>
On your notion that ... "we should not mix science with
racism !!".. I whole-heartedly agree if we did live in a
an ideal world. But we do not and hence what is "racism"
to one party is "ethnic pride" to the other side... BUT Yehi,
there is no such thing as a Jewish race, there is not even
a Jewish ethnicity... and if you refer to the Jewish Religion
then why should that be sacrosanct?... because....
******** Nobody is born religious **********
**** Religion is an acquired disease ****
which you can cleanse yourself of it and heal yourself.
>
Yehi, trust me!, I often feel bad for you and many of your
landsmen over there. You were born into Palestine cum
Israel in 1937. That is a fact you cannot do anything about
and nobody holds that against you. You and your generation
would probably live in peaceful coexistence by now were
it not for history that conspired against you.
>
Yehi, it's these kikes amongst you that rile up the Muslims.
< http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drunken+settler&search_type=&aq=f >
>
... and I am sorry to say that these kikes are mostly American
Jews, the JerUSAlem cockroaches, that have caused you,
Yehi, a very decent Jew, immeasurable grief and sorrow
So, what do you want me to do about it?....
We talked about that same subject before, Yehi. here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/55de765fbdfa66a4?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/2cefad4e8c597438?hl=en
>
Last but not least, Yehi, about your "all this is bad for science."
... ahahaha... Come, come now, Yehi, you have been around
the block and you are no 24 year old student.
.... You know fucken-a-well that all sciences are social human
enterprises with all kind of politics and machinations involved
into. You often say: "no mass -- no physics" ... Add to that
"No politics -- no physics" ... or do YOU wanna pay for all those
experiments yourself?... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
>
You are a good man, Yehi. I always enjoy our mutual
heavy duty bullsherations. They are great fun. So, in
that vein, Yehi, thanks for the laughs... ahahahahanson
Tom Potter
"HardySpicer" <gyans...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8f3d3220-8526-44ad...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
There is a great difference between
the motivation of the German people and
the NeoCons who control Bush and the Republican Party.
The German people took an aggressive stand against
the gang that had massacred the Russian Royal Family,
and were using Russia as a base from where to
instigate Class Wars all over the world
for power and riches.
Bush and the NeoCons waged war against the Iraqi
people in order to steal their oil.
The vast majority of Americans were against both wars,
but after FDR and Bush got them into wars,
as almost always happens when a nation
is engaged in a war, right or wrong,
the masses fall into line.
Regarding the poster's suggestion that the German people
"were anti intellectual" when they were confronting the
Class War Instigators, during this period
they invented the Jet Airplane, advanced rocket technology,
and made numerous advances in synthetics, medicine, etc.
Perhaps they rejected General Relativity and other theories
that are Towers of Babel that waste time, money and minds
on such pursuits as time travel, worm holes,
rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Tom Potter
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message news:d27192ab-9d29-44e5...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Military approach:
"Grab them by the balls
and their hearts and minds will follow."
The Roman approach:
Those who control religion
control the hearts and minds.
The Jewish approach:
Those who control the media
control the hearts and minds.
Google approach:
Those who control the search engines
control the hearts and minds.
Potter approach:
"It is entertaining, but useless,
to call attention to rationality and facts,
when the minds of the ignorant masses
are controlled by the military, religion, the Jewish media, or Google.
Tom Potter
"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3b4d3686-3e3a-4258...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
I am disappointed to see that "Eric Gisse",
who claims to be a high school grad from Alaska,
is not sophisticated enough, nor experienced enough,
to comprehend subtle irony that calls attention to
systematic efforts to trash Western Culture.
I dare say that Gisse is smart enough to comprehend
that it was insane for the Taliban to destroy
the Afghanistan culture that ran counter to
their religion,
and I dare say that Gisse is smart enough to comprehend
that it was insane for the followers of Mao
to destroy all kinds of religious artifact during
the Cultural Revolution,
but here he is, living through the
trashing of Western culture,
and siding with the culture destroyers.
I suggest that Gisse begin to think
about who is anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, anti-Hindu, etc.
rather than parrot the boilerplate of the people
who trash all cultures but their own.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:Yyxwk.330618$yE1.25691@attbi_s21...
My pal,Sammy makes a good point
when he points out that
DNA best tells us "where we've been",
and that where "we are going"
can be quickly and simply projected by natural laws
discovered by Newton centuries ago,
and what we find along the way can best be
modeled by Newtonian and Maxwellian models.
Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
>
> ... and I am sorry to say that these kikes are mostly American
> Jews, the JerUSAlem cockroaches, that have caused you,
> Yehi, a very decent Jew, immeasurable grief and sorrow
> So, what do you want me to do about it?....
>
> Last but not least, Yehi, about your "all this is bad for science."
> ... ahahaha... Come, come now, Yehi, you have been around
> the block and you are no 24 year old student.
> .... You know fucken-a-well that all sciences are social human
> enterprises with all kind of politics and machinations involved
> into. You often say: "no mass -- no physics" ... Add to that
> "No politics -- no physics" ... or do YOU wanna pay for all those
> experiments yourself?... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
>
> You are a good man, Yehi. I always enjoy our mutual
> heavy duty bullsherations. They are great fun. So, in
> that vein, Yehi, thanks for the laughs... ahahahahanson
--------------
Hi hanson
i think we should concentrate just on
is Sr and GR right ot wrong
and that is why i was so concise
we should not add here nothing but net physics
net physics arguments etc
iow
refrain completely from politics
and much more mor e difficult ---- *personal politics ** (:-)
and while discussion with someone here
*forget completely** about his country race etc etc
and about paying fo r experiments:
noone is forcing it
if you can convince people to make an experiment
that ok
if you cant convince
that is ok as well
no one expects otherwise or forcing it
just a matter of being convincing about the
importance of that experiment
and i most cases we dont expect any experiments
the experiments are already there !!!
it is only the matter of better ** interpretation *of the
experiments !!
keep well
Y.Porat
---------------
we jut try to convince just theoretically
that was my only point
Sam Wormley
> "Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:Yyxwk.330618$yE1.25691@attbi_s21...
>> We like to know where we've been ans where we are going, Potter.
>> You can waste your time and energy frothing and sputtering if
>> you like... Just because you are uneducated... doesn't make your
>> opinion valid for the rest of us.
>
> My pal, Sammy makes a good point...
You're Dang Toot'n, Potter.
hanson
>> "Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
[1] ://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Hanson my fried
i am a jew and i claim that : SR IS RIGHT !! GR IS WRONG !!
and we should not mix science with racism !!
(thats the worst thing to doin science !!)
ATB --- Y.Porat
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... complain to Androcles about
>
... and I am sorry to say that these kikes are mostly American
Jews, the JerUSAlem cockroaches, that have caused you,
Yehi, a very decent Jew, immeasurable grief and sorrow
So, what do you want me to do about it?....
We talked about that same subject before, Yehi. here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/55de765fbdfa66a4?hl=en
>
Last but not least, Yehi, about your "all this is bad for science."
... ahahaha... Come, come now, Yehi, you have been around
the block and you are no 24 year old student.
.... You know fucken-a-well that all sciences are social human
enterprises with all kind of politics and machinations involved
into. You often say: "no mass -- no physics" ... Add to that
"No politics -- no physics" ... or do YOU wanna pay for all those
experiments yourself?... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
>
You are a good man, Yehi. I always enjoy our mutual
heavy duty bullsherations. They are great fun. So, in
that vein, Yehi, thanks for the laughs... ahahahahanson
>
Hi hanson
i think we should concentrate just on is Sr and GR right
ot wrong and that is why i was so concise
we should not add here nothing but net physics
net physics arguments etc iow
refrain completely from politics
and much more mor e difficult ---- *personal politics ** (:-)
and while discussion with someone here *forget completely**
about his country race etc etc
>
... ahahahahaha... So you say: *forget completely**
*personal politics**... but why then did YOU bring it up
first and say: ---- "i [Porat] am a jew and i claim..." ----
Yehi, YOU did not "refrain completely from politics"
... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHHA... But that is cool too!,
>
Porat wrote:
and about paying fo r experiments:
noone is forcing it if you can convince people to make
an experiment that ok if you cant convince that is ok
as well no one expects otherwise or forcing it
just a matter of being convincing about the importance
of that experiment and i most cases we dont expect any
experiments the experiments are already there !!!
it is only the matter of better ** interpretation *of the
experiments !!
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... In all the years you
have been on the Net, how may times have you seen
someone convince someone else theoretically or
practically for that matter?... AHAHAHAHA... ahaha...
>
Yehi, these are News DISCUSSION groups wherein
people express their own opinions and world views.
These are NOT forums that influence any science nor
any public policies...
-------- THIS IS A CRAZY 24/7 CYBER PARTY --------
where people can & do have their 15 seconds of fame
in their own mind. -- So, ENJOY it, celebrate it, have
fun with and at it and LAUGH!... ahahaha... ahahaha..
ahahaha... especially when you can watch how some
people pop their own hemorrhoids because of their
own expressed self-anointment and self-importance...
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....ahahaha...ahahanson
Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
> "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
> Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
> shouldn't be wasted on time travel, worm holes, warped
> space, and rubber clocks and rulers, because minds are
> terrible things to waste."
>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
> ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA...
> Now the Einstein Dingleberries will feel insulted
> and call you an Anti-Semite... hahahahahaha...
> and the Kikes will call you Nazi since you
> pointed at Jewish Media machinations, some
> of which are detailed in here...ahahahaha...:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/2cefad4e8c59...
> Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
> Yehiel Porat wrote:
>
> ??!!! ... ...
> Do you, Yehi?... or --- Different strokes for different folks?
> ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
>
> On your point of you being a Jew and your views that
> "SR IS RIGHT! GR IS WRONG!!":-- GOOD for you, Yehi!
> I guess that turns you into a "Semi-Einstein-Dingleberry"
> >
> hanson wrote:
>
> ... ahahahahaha... So you say: *forget completely**
> *personal politics**... but why then did YOU bring it up
> first and say: ---- "i [Porat] am a jew and i claim..." ----
> Yehi, YOU did not "refrain completely from politics"
> ... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHHA... But that is cool too!,
>
> Porat wrote:
>
> > hanson wrote:
>
> ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... In all the years you
> have been on the Net, how may times have you seen
> someone convince someone else theoretically or
> practically for that matter?... AHAHAHAHA... ahaha...
>
> Yehi, these are News DISCUSSION groups wherein
> people express their own opinions and world views.
> These are NOT forums that influence any science nor
> any public policies...
> -------- THIS IS A CRAZY 24/7 CYBER PARTY --------
> where people can & do have their 15 seconds of fame
> in their own mind. -- So, ENJOY it, celebrate it, have
> fun with and at it and LAUGH!... ahahaha... ahahaha..
> ahahaha... especially when you can watch how some
> people pop their own hemorrhoids because of their
> own expressed self-anointment and self-importance...
> ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....ahahaha...ahahanson
--------------------
Hanson my friend
i disagree with you that this ng is useless
you are probably unaware about the Internet revolution?
th e cuminication ability growd dramatically
and mutual comunication has a huge practical power
for real advance
you will have here a thousand nonses
but if among it there wil be jsut one good idea
it will be worht the whole mess here !!
2
i noted that i am a jew
and i accept SR
but dont nbeleive in GR
just to indicate that rade of religion
has nothing to do with science
(had i have beed coommited to my 'jewish freinds'
i should accept GR as well juast for solidarity !!
got why i indicated it ?
3
if you like i can explain to you and others
*only in a few lines**!!!
why SR is right !!!
4
may be Eisnsteins theories cause a lot of
huiman resources waist by his GR
but please dont fo rget his acievements as well
like the
E=mc^2 and others in the photoelectric business
that alonr was justly putong him as the scientist
of the 20 th century
not only in theory but in paractice as well !!
with huge economic benefits as well
ATB
Y.Porat
-----------------------------
Dirk Van de moortel
Hey, he didn't respond to me!
Did I say something silly???
Dirk Vdm
hanson
>> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>>> "Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
"Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
about the beginning and end of the universe,
and young, gullible kids saving thousands of hours
they wasted in pursuit of what they fantasize is
powerful, esoteric knowledge, and minds, time, and
money wasted that could have been spent on DNA,
chemical and quantum research, and investor's money
being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design, what
other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
mess up society?
Would the world be better off if the Pope was a friend
of Einstein's, like the Pope was a friend of Galileo,
and he told Einstein: "Cool it Al, time, money, and minds
space, and rubber clocks and rulers, because minds are
terrible things to waste."
>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA...
Now the Einstein Dingleberries will feel insulted
and call you an Anti-Semite... hahahahahaha...
and the Kikes will call you Nazi since you
pointed at Jewish Media machinations, some
of which are detailed in here...ahahahaha...:
Thanks for the laughs, Potter... ahahahahanson
>
Yehiel Porat wrote:
Hanson my fried
i am a jew and i claim that : SR IS RIGHT !! GR IS WRONG !!
and we should not mix science with racism !!
(thats the worst thing to doin science !!)
ATB --- Y.Porat
>
hanson worte:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... complain to Androcles about
[1] instead of me... ahahahaha... I didn't write [1] except
I may have commented on it because it is hilarious and
simply a sarcastic response to Jew John Baez's ORIGINAL
old crackpot list... Yehi, if Baez would NOT have started
it first, then neither Potter nor Androcles would have written
their responses and made that [1] ... or do you propose
Do you, Yehi?... or --- Different strokes for different folks?
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
>
On your point of you being a Jew and your views that
"SR IS RIGHT! GR IS WRONG!!":-- GOOD for you, Yehi!
I guess that turns you into a "Semi-Einstein-Dingleberry"
... ahahahahaha... So you say: *forget completely**
*personal politics**... but why then did YOU bring it up
first and say: ---- "i [Porat] am a jew and i claim..." ----
Yehi, YOU did not "refrain completely from politics"
... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHHA... But that is cool too!,
>
Porat wrote:
noone is forcing it if you can convince people to make
an experiment that ok if you cant convince that is ok
as well no one expects otherwise or forcing it
just a matter of being convincing about the importance
of that experiment and i most cases we dont expect any
experiments the experiments are already there !!!
it is only the matter of better ** interpretation *of the
experiments !!
we jut try to convince just theoretically that was my only point
keep well --- Y.Porat
>
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... In all the years you
have been on the Net, how may times have you seen
someone convince someone else theoretically or
practically for that matter?... AHAHAHAHA... ahaha...
>
Yehi, these are News DISCUSSION groups wherein
people express their own opinions and world views.
These are NOT forums that influence any science nor
any public policies...
-------- THIS IS A CRAZY 24/7 CYBER PARTY --------
where people can & do have their 15 seconds of fame
in their own mind. -- So, ENJOY it, celebrate it, have
fun with and at it and LAUGH!... ahahaha... ahahaha..
ahahaha... especially when you can watch how some
people pop their own hemorrhoids because of their
own expressed self-anointment and self-importance...
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....ahahaha...ahahanson
>
ATB --- Y.Porat
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha.. Yehi, I heard you... You made your point
about being Jewish and SR/GR many times now...
and if you repeat it every day, like a daily prayer, then
it will become reality in your own mind and it will evoke
the contrary effect in other folks perceptions & mentation
ahahaha... So, if that is what you want, Yehi, then that's
cool by me... ahahaha... That's Jewish intelligence at
its best, Yehi... hahahahaha...
>
.. and you are of course absolutely might that I am
"unaware about the Internet revolution"... ahahaha...
But you could help me in teaching me awareness.
But please don't start doing that by you performing
Yiddshe street corner acts like uncle rect-Al does.
Thanks for the laughs, Yehi, you sweet old fart...
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahahanson
>
PS:
Something worries me though, Yehi. You said:
::P:: "i have beed coommited to my 'jewish freinds'"
For crying out loud, old friend. Who and for what
reason did they commit you into the Nuthouse, the
asylum for the mentally disturbed?... Sheesh!
Do they at least treat you right?
Eric Gisse
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:3b4d3686-3e3a-4258...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 6, 7:32 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> > What if: tom potter posted his antisemitic shit on his blog instead of
> > newsgroups that hate him.
>
> I am disappointed to see that "Eric Gisse",
> who claims to be a high school grad from Alaska,
I am disappointed to see that "Tom Potter",
who claims to not have his head up his ass,
can't shut the fuck up about off-topic
shit if his goddamn life-depended on it.
[snip rest, due to being worthless]
Darwin123
> "HardySpicer" <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8f3d3220-8526-44ad...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 8:26 am, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 6, 11:32 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
> There is a great difference between
> the motivation of the German people and
> the NeoCons who control Bush and the Republican Party.
Yes, I know. I read "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler. His proposed
program sounds very different from the programs of both Democrats and
Republicans. Hitler believed that war should be fought so that four
fifths of the human race should die by violence every generation. To
compensate for this large death rate, every woman should have lots of
children. The nonGermans should be provoked by atrocities to kill
German civilians especially in the cities. If civilians in urban
environments were targeted for destruction, then even cowards would be
afraid to avoid deserting the German Army. If civilians were targeted
on both sides, then the genetically inferior would automatically be
weeded out. Because the tough people who like war and combat would
stay in the cities and be killed. The smart tough soldiers, on both
sides, would stand a bigger chance of survival thus increasing the
average level of genetic fitness.
He also said that too many believers in genetics favored people
predisposed to intellectual development. If the physically weak were
weeded out before they reproduce, then the people would be healthier
on average because they would have genetic resistance to disease. He
was against birth control since at that time there was no way to
determine which genes would be selected out. What he recommended is
that every woman would have lots of children, and the weak would be
weeded out. They would probably be weeded out in the battle and mass
murder he was recommending, since the majority of people were too
cowardly and stupid to to kill off handicapped and weak people in
their own families.
I see that you haven't even read Mein Kampf. Please read it.
Hitler was himself somewhat of an intellectual, having read close to
half a million books. He may have been evil in many ways, but he
wasn't a hypocrite.
>
> The German people took an aggressive stand against
> the gang that had massacred the Russian Royal Family,
> and were using Russia as a base from where to
> instigate Class Wars all over the world
> for power and riches.
In "Mein Kampf," Hitler wrote a great deal about how the Slavic
peoples should be treated in general and how the Russian
people should be conquered in particular. He did not take an
aggressive stand against the gang that massacered the Russian Royal
family. And neither did the people who followed Hitler. Therefore, you
are lying.
Hitler say in Mein Kampf that Slavs should be enslaved and forced
to work for their superiors, the Germans. He says that all the Slavic
peoples were animals. With regards to Russia, he says that one people
do not have the right to occupy so large a piece of land as Russia.
He rants on and on about the Slavic peoples, especially the Polish
and Russian peoples. About how they are animals. How he was going to
kill off all the intellectuals among the Slavic peoples and use the
rest as work animals. How the Slavs could keep their religion, as long
as they worked for the only human beings on the planet (i.e.,
Germans).
Given he didn't think the Russians should rule Russian lands, I
don't think he would have kept the royal family alive very long. Or he
would have used the Royal family to enslave the other Slavish people.
To be fair, he wasn't much different from some of the Communists. I
don't think there was anything in Nazi propaganda which suggested that
any Nazis dissapproved of what the Bolshevics did to the Royal family.
Hitler makes it very clear that he considered the coming war as
between genetically distinct races, and not ideology. The only thing
wrong with Communism, in Hitler's view, was that it "distributed the
poverty."
>
> Bush and the NeoCons waged war against the Iraqi
> people in order to steal their oil.
Perhaps. The Iranians in the days of Saddam Hussein waged large
wars for oil. Or was it Iraqis trying to steal Irans oil? Oil seems to
be a very addictive, nasty narcotic. I hope whoever wins the election
gets us off the stuff, its unhealthy for several reasons. And that is
proper topic for a physics forum. How are we all going to get off this
fossil fuel addiction?
>
> The vast majority of Americans were against both wars,
> but after FDR and Bush got them into wars,
> as almost always happens when a nation
> is engaged in a war, right or wrong,
> the masses fall into line.
FDR knew German fluently. He listened to all of Hitler's
speeches, and read the Nazi propaganda. He refers to the aggression of
the Nazi program many times. Unlike you, he probably read Mein Kampf
carefully. Maybe he understood the Nazis better than you, and decided
they really were a long term threat to the United States. Maybe you
don't understand the long term plans of the Nazi party.
>
> Regarding the poster's suggestion that the German people
> "were anti intellectual" when they were confronting the
> Class War Instigators, during this period
> they invented the Jet Airplane, advanced rocket technology,
> and made numerous advances in synthetics, medicine, etc.
Yes, they made plenty of advances in meteorology too. As far as
medicine is concerned, I don't think so. The Germans before World War
II had excellent biologists, and very few of these biologists were
Jewish. The Nazi party almost destroyed real biological research in
Germany. Read,
"Biologists Under Hitler," by Ute Deichman.
Mengele contributed nothing of value to biology. He was a snake
oil salesman, with sadistic tendencies. The only major contribution
the Nazis made to medicine was Gray's anatomy. Not because their
doctors were so great. However, the extermination camps provided
plenty of cadavers to make extremely detailed photographs for anatomy.
The Nazis did make a number of very good anatomy studies, using
extermination camp victims.
There was also pretty good work on biology related physics. The
electron microscope was developed at that time. I talked to a
scientist who took part in those experiments, and he was ashamed of
the Nazis. However, he was a physicist not a biologist. Real
biologists had problems under the Nazis. Remember, the Nazis banned
Darwin not Lorentz or Newton. The Nazis had a very big prejudice
against the full theory of evolution, no matter what Creationists may
claim.
The physicists and engineers had under Hitler enough sell outs
to run a pretty efficient weapons research. However, physicists and
engineers were farther from "racial theory" than the biologists.
Heisenberg knew relativity was useful, regardless of whether it was
"Jewish physics." He just used H. A. Lorentz as a sort of "racial
filter" for relativity, and justified atom bomb research by saying
Lorentz developed it. The Gestapo probably killed Lorentz, but Germans
didn't care about "pointy headed intellectuals" enough to do
anything.
>
> Perhaps they rejected General Relativity and other theories
> that are Towers of Babel that waste time, money and minds
> on such pursuits as time travel, worm holes,
> rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
The German physicists did not reject relativity at all.
Heisenberg certainly didn't. Neither did any of the engineers and
physicists in the Nazi probably. The prejudice against "theory" wasn't
a real belief, it was a political position. It was the politicians and
social philosophers who objected to "physics theory," not the physical
scientists.
It was the layman Nazi who rejected relativity. It was the
semieducated Kraut who rejected everything they didn't understand.
Hitler, despite being smart in some areas, didn't have a head for any
abstract theory. All the resistance against theoretical physics came
from the quasiliterate psychos in politics.
>
> because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
Your mind is covered in "wall paper," which is what Hitler
called sound bites. You haven't even read "Mein Kampf."
I won;t post any more on the topic here not because I don't have
more to say, but because this is inappropriate for a physics forum.
hanson
>
David Rosen "Darwin123" <drose...@yahoo.com>
disagrees with "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com>
who neglected to praise Jews in his post. Then Rosen,
the Yidd, doubted that Tom had read "Mein Kampf" and
wrote long, vociferous counter arguments... No problem
until Rosen wrote:
:::Rosen::: I won;t post any more on the topic here not
:::Rosen::: because I don't have more to say, but because
:::Rosen::: this is inappropriate for a physics forum.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... How Jewish can you get, Rosen!!!... ahaha...
There you make YOUR big spiel in sci.physics and then
you insinuate that now no Goyim should retort or post
about the subject on the same soap box because the
Jew is the final arbiter and is entitled to the last word.
>
AHAHAHA... Nice try Rosen but you are not the first one.
There have been several Jews and kikes who have posted
the same notions recently... ahahahahaha... But your ilk's
loud-mouthing heydays are over... Just look at the election
ticket... Can't you see the hand-writing on the wall, you dumb
bastard?... Thanks for the laughs, though... ahahaha...
AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.... ahhahanson
>
PS:
How come I haven't heard your objection when Jews
like Kolker and Schwartz posted this in sci.physics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/55de765fbdfa66a4?hl=en
Relax Rosen: There's no difference between Nazis & Jews.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.military/msg/2cefad4e8c597438?hl=en
wherein it says:
So, a specter arises in the questions: "If Jews call themselves
Judeo-Nazis and behave like Nazis are Jews as bad as
Nazis or are Nazis not any worse then are Jews"?... ahahaha...
AHAHAHA.... ahahaha... ahahahaha...
Y.Porat
> hanson wrote:
>
> ATB --- Y.Porat
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> ahahahaha.. Yehi, I heard you... You made your point
> about being Jewish and SR/GR many times now...
> and if you repeat it every day, like a daily prayer, then
> it will become reality in your own mind and it will evoke
> the contrary effect in other folks perceptions & mentation
> ahahaha... So, if that is what you want, Yehi, then that's
> cool by me... ahahaha... That's Jewish intelligence at
> its best, Yehi... hahahahaha...
i told you that i can explain to you
why SR is right
and GR is wrong
it is not praying it is physics new arguments
if you dont like i will not explain
btw
my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
ATB
Y.Porat
----------------
>
hanson
> hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/234f1ca7e06bac07?hl=en
wherin it says:
ahahahaha.. Yehi, I heard you... You made your point
about being Jewish and SR/GR many times now...
and if you repeat it every day, like a daily prayer, then
it will become reality in your own mind and it will evoke
the contrary effect in other folks perceptions & mentation
ahahaha... So, if that is what you want, Yehi, then that's
cool by me... ahahaha... That's Jewish intelligence at
its best, Yehi... hahahahaha...
>
i told you that i can explain to you
why SR is right
and GR is wrong
it is not praying it is physics new arguments
if you dont like i will not explain
btw
my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
ATB
Y.Porat
>
Yehi, I see you are itching to explain. But I have
discussed all what I wanted to discuss with you.
So I am out of the loop. Thanks again, my friend.
>
However, Androcles, whose website you cited at the
beginning of this thread, will be more than willing to
hear "why SR is right & and GR is wrong" according to
you, which "is not praying it is physics new arguments"
>
So, Yehi, bring on your new arguments for Androcles,
who, I am certain, lend you an ear.
Androcles... over to you.....
hanson
>
Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ce7f3e5e-ef98-4bac...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...> hanson wrote:
>
> h
>
> i told you that i can explain to you
> why SR is right
> and GR is wrong
> it is not praying it is physics new arguments
> if you dont like i will not explain
> btw
> my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
> ATB
> Y.Porat
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> Yehi, I see you are itching to explain. But I have
> discussed all what I wanted to discuss with you.
> So I am out of the loop. Thanks again, my friend.
>
> However, Androcles, whose website you cited at the
> beginning of this thread, will be more than willing to
> hear "why SR is right & and GR is wrong" according to
> you, which "is not praying it is physics new arguments"
>
> So, Yehi, bring on your new arguments for Androcles,
> who, I am certain, lend you an ear.
> Androcles... over to you.....
> hanson
>
>
---------------
thank you Hanson my friend
from promoting me
(btw why are you afraid of an apposite
physics discussion??)
so here we go in short as possible
and as i said before
the inorganic world is not cleave enough to learn
the 'sophisticated ' complexities that
smart 'physicists' do:
so we have to start and agree about
some basic postulates or understandings
in order of having a common base
for discussion:
1
motion or translation
are RELATIVE TO SOME
* MOTION CHOSEN REFERENCE *
2
velocity is the next out come of it
we have to compare our tested object
with some 'velocity reference '
we cannot detect or measure it
unless comparing it to the motion or velocity
reference
so just here starts the 'relativity' business
3
in our world there is some maximum velocity
of any object !!
(please wait for the next postulate
and you will understand why !!)
4
we cant deal with the whole real picture
without understanding the *dynamic part'
behind it :
we cannot change velocity unless
there is some force involved in it !!
5
force is done by some *force agents **
by collision of them with the tested object.
6
those force agents have some** maximum
velocity** (no matetr what is that maximum
of else you could ask
if there is no maximum than what was
the** reason** for having***a new then maximum*
velocity
(than it was before )
7
since those force agents have a maximum
velocity
**they cannot transfere to the tested object
more velocity than their own velocity.
8
Time is a human invention to describe
*relative motion* compared to some
'motion reference'
9
since force agents are the ones
that add or diminish velocity
angd since their own velocity is limited
*it becomes more and more difficult
for them to haunt the tested object and add velocity
to it *
iow
you need more and more of them
until the 'stock of force agents is exhausted '
and that is the point of just seemingly
growing mass until 'infinity'
it is not mass that waas growing
it is the needed energy
F'/Gamma =m a (not F=gamma m a )
The Einstein formula using gamma
**is right **
it is only its **interpretation* that is wrong!!
10
from here on
stems out
all that business of shortening of length
or time starts on
provided you understand properly
all the above
*and how it influences our measurements *
so
it is some 10 points (:-)
not yet
now we have the point No 11
unlike SR that is right
GR is nonsese
i explained it in past more than once
if asked i will do it again and again
copyright explanation about why SR is right
and GR is nonsense Y.Porat 8-09-2008
ATB
----------------------------------
Y.Porat
just allow me to expand the thread to more NGs
see above quoted text
now to point 11
if it is force messengers that make attraction force
than there i s no need for 'curved space time'
TIA
Y.Porat
-------------------------
-------------------
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:uT2xk.844$Wd.401@trnddc01...
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
Bless you and all who sail in her.
Ian Parker
> Other than the taxpayers saving billions of dollars
> on useless experiments such as speculation
> about the beginning and end of the universe,
>
> and young, gullible kids
> saving thousands of hours they wasted in pursuit of
> what they fantasize is powerful, esoteric knowledge,
>
> and minds, time, and money wasted that could
> have been spent on DNA, chemical and quantum research,
>
> and investor's money being wasted on Einstein's refrigerator design,
> what other ways did the Jewish Media deification of Einstein
> mess up society?
>
> Would the world be better off if the Pope was a friend of Einstein's,
> like the Pope was a friend of Galileo,
> and he told Einstein:
>
> "Cool it Al, time, money, and minds shouldn't be wasted
> on time travel, worm holes, warped space,
> and rubber clocks and rulers,
> because minds are terrible things to waste."
>
> Tom Potter
>
> http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.htmlhttp://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.comhttp://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotoshttp://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
We ARE spending money on quantum research. We are spending money on
DNA. The human genome has been mapped.
BTW - What does genetics tell us about the diffferences between races?
Potter be careful what you are asking for.
Shall I tell you where money could be saved. Deutsche Physik and all
its offshoots like antigravity. You could start be declassifing
everything. Also applying simplisic solutions, beloved of the
Rebublican Party is likely to prove incredibly expensive in the end.
You ask the 2.3 million Iraqis in Syria and Jordan.
- Ian Parker
- Ian Parker
Y.Porat
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>
> news:uT2xk.844$Wd.401@trnddc01...
>
>
> > and if you repeat it every day, like a daily prayer, then
> > it will become reality in your own mind and it will evoke
> > the contrary effect in other folks perceptions & mentation
> > ahahaha... So, if that is what you want, Yehi, then that's
> > cool by me... ahahaha... That's Jewish intelligence at
> > its best, Yehi... hahahahaha...
>
> > i told you that i can explain to you
> > why SR is right
> > and GR is wrong
> > it is not praying it is physics new arguments
> > if you dont like i will not explain
> > btw
> > my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
>
> > hanson wrote:
> > Yehi, I see you are itching to explain. But I have
> > discussed all what I wanted to discuss with you.
> > So I am out of the loop. Thanks again, my friend.
>
> > However, Androcles, whose website you cited at the
> > beginning of this thread, will be more than willing to
> > hear "why SR is right & and GR is wrong" according to
> > you, which "is not praying it is physics new arguments"
>
> > So, Yehi, bring on your new arguments for Androcles,
> > who, I am certain, lend you an ear.
> > Androcles... over to you.....
> > hanson
>
> Just ask him the question, my sun.
> http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
> Bless you and all who sail in her.
---------------
what is your question about my above explanations
do you find something wrong in it ???
btw
please note that i ddint say that th e maximum possible velocity
that exists
is c
we can only say that
c is a maximum according to the **known experiments*
if you show me more than that it will still not contradict my claim
that there is a maximum velocity (at the end of the day)
and what counts is what experiments show !!
TIA
Y.Porat
-------------------------
gl...@aol.com
<Since those force agents have a maximum velocity they cannot
transfer to the tested object more velocity than their own velocity.>
F = ma = m(dv/dt). If, then, F = 10 grams and m = 8 grams,
what is the value of v if a = 10 cm/sec/sec and t = 1 second?
What is the value if m = 4 grams, or 1 gram?
glird
Y.Porat
> On Sep 8, 4:49 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <Since those force agents have a maximum velocity they cannot
> transfer to the tested object more velocity than their own velocity.>
>
> F = ma = m(dv/dt). If, then, F = 10 grams and m = 8 grams,
if as above
you get
10=8 times a
so a is 10/8 cm /sec^2
right ?
> what is the value of v if a = 10 cm/sec/sec and t = 1 second?
v = a times t
so v= 10 tomes 1 = 10 cm/second
but that is in low velocities
> What is the value if m = 4 grams, or 1 gram?
value of what ?? are you joking ??
Y.P
---------------------
>
> glird
gl...@aol.com
> Just ask him the question, my sun.
> http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
At the top of his gif there is an equation from Segment 3 in E's
paper, followed by part of a sentence from E's Segment 1. After a few
inane remarks by Androcles, his three questions appear:
"Why did Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same? "
Although 15 different people's answers were then given, the one with
which he agreed was omitted, both here and in his August 3, 1908
posting that contained my answer:
<<He was treating the speed of light as measured by system k, which
was moving on X of his "stationary system K" at a velocity v. He let
a ray emit at A of system k and go to B, where it reflected back to
A. Accordingly, as viewed by K the ray travels toward B at c-v and
returns from B to A at c+v.
Even so, after k clocks are esynched (set by Einstein's method of
"synchronizing" clocks) "the 'time' each way is the same" _as measured
by_ system k." >>
In his posting, Android then said:
< Very good. The first sensible answer I've seen.
Next question: What is the gain and offset of an Einstein
clock relative to a Newton clock? >
His August 6, 2008 contained my answer:
<< The gain is t' = qt, where t' denotes an Einstein clock, t denotes
a
Newton clock, q = sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2), and v is the velocity of the e-
clock.
The offset is t'_x' = t'_o - vx'/c^2; in which t'_x' is the time
(indications of the hands of a clock) of the esynched clock at x' of
the moving system, t'_o is the the time of its origin clock, and v
remains the velocity of the esynched system. >>
Evidently ignorant of Voigt's 1887 equation t' = t - vx/c^2 (in
which both t and t' are times of the origin clock of a system moving
at v, and vx is the distance that origin moved in the interval between
successive fronts of a viewed set of light waves moving at c) AND of
Lorentz's 1895 "local time equation" - which Lorentz said he got from
Voigt, but with an entirely different meaning, Androcles replied thus:
< Wrong. The offset is ZERO. That's what it means to synchronize
clocks, you set them to the same time, no offset. >
Androcles obviously doesn't understand Einstein's defined method
of hand-setting clocks to allow Lorentz's local time equation to hold
good in inertially moving systems. Since the settings thereby
produced are the sine qui non of all relativistic transformation
equations, including Poincare's LTE, it therefore is and always was
impossible for Androcles to understand the relativistic mathematics
per se, thus why Einstein didn't either.
Here is a different question that I'd asked, presented in an
Androcles' August 6 message:
<< Einstein omitted a Lorentzian symbol from his setup equation and
from his entire paper! What was it? >>
His answer was:
< kappa-frame, aka the "system of values x', y, z, independent of
time"
Lorentz was an aetherialist moron anyway. >
I won't waste any more time trying to help Androcles understand
either the simple math in Einstein's paper or the equally simple
physical events required by the relativistic equations.
However, for the sake of any intelligent people who might be
interested I will post a simplified version of my question in a
different thread: Why relativists don't understand Einstein's 1905
mathematics.
glird
hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/81164b60542b132a?hl=en
>
hanson wrote:
Yehi, I have good news for you, which would be even
better, if you would not constantly snip this preamble:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/234f1ca7e06bac07?hl=en
>
So, since Androcles has only shown marginal & feeble
interest in you and has answered your question with one
of his own [A], a query that challenges your assertions &
assumes that his Goyim Newton Weltbild prevails over
yours, let me correct that and do the honors for you:...
>
Yehiel, you may consider yourself standing on the podium
of the Physics Olympiad to receive the Ig-Nobel/Gold
medal, where with global prime time TV coverage, history
will record that Yehiel Porat has published that
>
::Porat:: F'/Gamma =m a (not F=gamma m a )
::Porat:: copyright explanation about why SR is right
::Porat:: and GR is nonsense Y.Porat 8-09-2008
>
followed by these accolades from Ig-Nobel:
= Yehiel Porat's seminal work, in one stroke of pure Jewish
= genius of profound and incisive insight has risen & is
= soaring high above his many prior Yiddishe street corner
= performances. Yehiel's latest accomplishment (above)
= must be honored as of a state of the art work, performed
= by him in a noble dance as a Semitic Einstein Dingleberry,
= a true testament of the superiority of Jewish Intelligence.
>
hanson comments:
Bravo, Yehi, it can't get any better than that. You are a true
blossom of Jewish culture and intelligence. Congratulations,
and MOST of all, Yehi... Thanks for the laughs... AHAHAHA
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... Your old friend hanson.
>
PS:
Yehi, I just love your acceptance speech which you just
directed at Dr Henry Wilson, your Ig-Gold medal presenter:
>
Porat to Dr. Wilson in a concurrent post:
::Porat:: why dont you old demogue moron crook inbecile
::Porat:: crackpoter learn physics and some decency
::Porat:: and human behaviour ? and speak physics and
::Porat:: not personal demagogism you cant cheat
::Porat:: everybody forever Mr imbecile that is unable to
::Porat:: learn anything new eccept parroting
::Porat:: BYE Y.Porat
>
.... ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....
AHAHAHAHA....ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha...
That's some fantastic yiddishe street corner act, Yehi!
.... ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....
Y.Porat
----------------------
Hi Hanson
i am not about how you are serious and how you are joking
anyway
about my clash with Wilson:
before aserting my nasty words
you should notince waht was [receding it
by the crook Wilson:
instead answering my claimes
becausde he could not answer
he is telling me and actually tothe other
readers
thati have to learn basics of physics
while the situation is that he is the one to learn basics of
physics
fo rinstance
while i show it that
F=Gamma m a
can be presented in two equivalent amthematical forms
but very different physical meaning
he tells me to leran physics
you see
if someone is a lier (on your expense)
you cant sit indifferent and let alier demagogue win
btw
androcless does not find interest in my claimes
because
a he does not probably understand it
b
he cant refute it
he cannt deny that it becomes more difficuly
to add velocity to mass
yet thr reason for that is formated bythe
Gamma factor that Einstein introduced
with a 'slight' different but meaning ful
interpretation:
it is not mass that growes
**it i sthe needed grwing energy to do it !!
and while abolishing the stupid paradigm
that mass'inflates'
i think i really did service to science
not to menstion my Circlon idea
and my Model of thje Atom and nuc
ps i have no delustions about standing on any
podium .......
except that future will be on my side
thats how our world works
ATB
Y.Porat
---------------------------
hanson
thats how our world works -- ATB -- Y.Porat
>
hanson wrote:
There you go, Yehi. For that healthy confidence
and self-esteem you ought to get another "Gold".
But don't kill your Ig-Nobel now with overdoing it.
So here it is one more time for you to celebrate:
Y.Porat
> -- ahaha... VERY GOOD, YEHI... AHAHHAHA... --
>
Thank you Hanson!!
btw i keep on snipping big parts
because no one is goping to read jsut now
all of you longish recordings
we must be sharp and concscise
that is how an multy public mass media discussion is going on
by our 'instant media'
you told me not to take myself too serious in this ng
remember ?? (:-)
ps
i am not done yet with my explanations about SR
i am taking my time fo rpeople to digest it
later i will comment about
all those 'time' or length shortenings
o
ATB
Y.Porat
--------------------
hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
thenhanson wrote:
Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
Even if you think that you having the last word does.
hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
Androcles
Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations"
Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS UP YOUR ARSE,
can I have a fucking ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know, you idle
skinflint.
I'll ask grandpa."
Y.Porat
> hanson wrote:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93a...
> then
>
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i am not done yet with my explanations
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
may be
anyway my next explanations will be about
'shortening of length or Time '
keeping in mind that
the moving frame is not a theoretic 'sterile ' frame
but something that is riding on the back of some mass !!
and acted by force agents!!
ATB
Y.Porat
------------------------------------------
hanson
>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93a...
> then
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hanson wrote:
> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>
may be
anyway my next explanations will be about
'shortening of length or Time '
keeping in mind that
the moving frame is not a theoretic 'sterile ' frame
but something that is riding on the back of some mass !!
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... HAHAHAHAHA... hahahaha...
But Yehi,... Me, hanson, I am NOT interested at all
in hearing over and over again re-explanations of
trivial basic physics-theories of centuries long
gone and passed. You must take that subject up
with Androcles who is deep into stuff like that.
Androcles even challenged and mocked you
in a concurrent post with this:
>
Androcles (= little girl) wrote to (daddy=) Porat:
>
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
Yehi, go take it up with Andro, or are you afraid of him?
ahahaha... hahahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
news:cWzxk.180386$le1....@newsfe11.ams2...
>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:_mzxk.65$l25...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> hanson wrote:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
>> then
>>>
>> "Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
>> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
>> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>>
>>
and wrote:
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
.... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
Androcles
You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
hanson
>>>>
hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
then
"Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
i am not done yet with my explanations ... [YP]
>>>>>
hanson wrote:
Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
Even if you think that you having the last word does.
hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>>>>
Androcles as "Little girl" spoke upon "Daddy" Porat
and wrote:
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>>>
hanson wrote:
.... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
>>
You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
>
ahahahahaha... Don't be so mean with "parrot" Porat.
Yehi said that he was the inventor of "parroting", he being
the dude who first brought it to sci.physics... ahahaha...
>
Now as far a "speed parrot"... hahahaha... assuming
you mean Porat's "unconventional" spelling... ahahaha...
about which, when he got bitched at, Yehi laconically
declared ~ "So what? You know fucken-A-well what I
mean and talk about. "... ahahahaha...
First, I thought that Yehi just retorted in anger but there
is more to it like here... in this e-mail that's making the
circuits now again:
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Battens <K...@I-INSTALL-IT.com>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Sent: Sat Sep 06 22:53:45 2008
>
Only great minds can read this. This is weird, but
interesting!
>
fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too
Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd
waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres
in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit
and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a
pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt!
>
Andro, see:...
*** DIFFERENT STROKES BY DIFFERENT FOLKS ***
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Androcles
http://cdn.liveleak.com/14/media14/2007/Aug/20/LiveLeak-dot-com-84466-BiggieBear.jpg
Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
--------------------
you called what he wrote
a physical discussion ??!!
let me use your your copyright
HAHAHA
2
i started above an unprecedented claim:
ie
The moving frame that is tested actually in real experiments
is
A FRAME** MOUNTED ON SOME MASS !!!**
no mass no real physics remember ???
(it is** not **a fantastic spooky frame but mass connected one )
moreover
that frame is in a force field ie acted by force messengers
that have an **upper limit **for their velocity !!
no matter what is that upper limit as long as it is
*an upper limit * !!
3
you ddint notice that me and Androcles AND YOU HANSON ....
are **not** in dispute that ::----
---- GR (curved space time ) - is nonsense !!
iow
we think the same about it
the difference is about SR and only pats of it
i dont get some of its ** interpretations **
that mass is inflating
i dont accept that photons do not have mass etc etc
and now i introduced my new above claim
that might even diminish the diffrences between
me and Andro
ATB
Y.Porat
---------------------------
hanson
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> Byte my bear arse.
>
> http://cdn.liveleak.com/14/media14/2007/Aug/20/LiveLeak-dot-com-84466-BiggieBear.jpg
>
.... ahahahaha... WHY?... Why me? ... Porat though
might wanna do it... said he in his concurrent post:
>
::P:: and now i introduced my new above claim
::P:: that might even diminish the diffrences between
::P:: me and Andro
>
Maybe Yehi has a fat ass too... ahahahaha... hahaha..
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Androcles
No, no, my ass is fine, I said to bite my bare misspelt arse.
'Tis true, though, one can make sense if one employs
word recognition and context sensitivity instead of mere
character recognition, clearly the next layer in artificial
intelligence.
You can tell Mr. Porridge that the differences between he
and I are insurmountable, though, for I have a brain.
hanson
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> news:LqTxk.967$393.516@trnddc05...
Andro wrote:
> No, no, my ass is fine, I said to bite my bare misspelt arse.
>
> 'Tis true, though, one can make sense if one employs
> word recognition and context sensitivity instead of mere
> character recognition, clearly the next layer in artificial
> intelligence.
>
> You can tell Mr. Porridge that the differences between he
> and I are insurmountable, though, for I have a brain.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... never mind the brain
for the moment, but mind your ass, whether bare, furred or
fat... that you don't get any hemmies because of / over this...
Thanks for the laughs, Andro... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Androcles
Sheesh...
If you don't learn the difference you might get kick in the goolies when
poking it.
this is an ass:
http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg
and this is an arse:
http://www.pissfunny.com/scripts/vauthenticate/members/resources/148052862_b6474626b8.jpg
hanson
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> Sheesh...
> If you don't learn the difference you might get kick in the goolies when
> poking it.
> this is an ass:
> http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg
> and this is an arse:
http://www.pissfunny.com/scripts/vauthenticate/members/resources/148052862_b6474626b8.jpg
>
... ahahahaha.. what "Sheesh"?... see, that's where the
brain comes back in, especially for the latter one which
is not only beautiful but classified as "resources"... ahaha...
which makes it irrelevant whether you call it ass or arse.
Androcles
aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy (home of
Stevie Wonder Hawking, theoretical physicist in a space-age
wheelchair) it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are,
the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae.
if you try poking your dick in an ass. Only ever poke an arse
and even then be careful, the inlet is very close to the exhaust.
Y.Porat
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Q6Jxk.828$Af3.523@trnddc06...
>
>
>
> >news:cWzxk.180386$le1....@newsfe11.ams2...
>
> >> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
> >>news:_mzxk.65$l25...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >>> hanson wrote:
> >>> then
>
> >>> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> i am not done yet with my explanations ... [YP]
>
> >>> hanson wrote:
> >>> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> >>> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> > you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
> > hanson wrote:
> > .... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
> > tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
> > You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
>
> You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
> He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
i am not familiar with your question
may be describe it in detail to me
than may be i can answer
keeping in mind that the
TIA
Y.Porat
----------------------------
Tom Potter
"Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
"Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
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On Sep 7, 8:44 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>> "HardySpicer" <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8f3d3220-8526-44ad...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Sep 7, 8:26 am, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sep 6, 11:32 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a great difference between
>> the motivation of the German people and
>> the NeoCons who control Bush and the Republican Party.
>
> Yes, I know. I read "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler. His proposed
>program sounds very different from the programs of both Democrats and
>Republicans. Hitler believed that war should be fought so that four
>fifths of the human race should die by violence every generation. To
>compensate for this large death rate, every woman should have lots of
>children. The nonGermans should be provoked by atrocities to kill
>German civilians especially in the cities. If civilians in urban
>environments were targeted for destruction, then even cowards would be
>afraid to avoid deserting the German Army. If civilians were targeted
>on both sides, then the genetically inferior would automatically be
>weeded out. Because the tough people who like war and combat would
>stay in the cities and be killed. The smart tough soldiers, on both
>sides, would stand a bigger chance of survival thus increasing the
>average level of genetic fitness.
> He also said that too many believers in genetics favored people
>predisposed to intellectual development. If the physically weak were
>weeded out before they reproduce, then the people would be healthier
>on average because they would have genetic resistance to disease. He
>was against birth control since at that time there was no way to
>determine which genes would be selected out. What he recommended is
>that every woman would have lots of children, and the weak would be
>weeded out. They would probably be weeded out in the battle and mass
>murder he was recommending, since the majority of people were too
>cowardly and stupid to to kill off handicapped and weak people in
>their own families.
> I see that you haven't even read Mein Kampf. Please read it.
>Hitler was himself somewhat of an intellectual, having read close to
>half a million books. He may have been evil in many ways, but he
>wasn't a hypocrite.
>>
>> The German people took an aggressive stand against
>> the gang that had massacred the Russian Royal Family,
>> and were using Russia as a base from where to
>> instigate Class Wars all over the world
>> for power and riches.
>
> In "Mein Kampf," Hitler wrote a great deal about how the Slavic
>peoples should be treated in general and how the Russian
>people should be conquered in particular. He did not take an
>aggressive stand against the gang that massacered the Russian Royal
>family. And neither did the people who followed Hitler. Therefore, you
>are lying.
> Hitler say in Mein Kampf that Slavs should be enslaved and forced
>to work for their superiors, the Germans. He says that all the Slavic
>peoples were animals. With regards to Russia, he says that one people
>do not have the right to occupy so large a piece of land as Russia.
> He rants on and on about the Slavic peoples, especially the Polish
>and Russian peoples. About how they are animals. How he was going to
>kill off all the intellectuals among the Slavic peoples and use the
>rest as work animals. How the Slavs could keep their religion, as long
>as they worked for the only human beings on the planet (i.e.,
>Germans).
> Given he didn't think the Russians should rule Russian lands, I
>don't think he would have kept the royal family alive very long. Or he
>would have used the Royal family to enslave the other Slavish people.
>To be fair, he wasn't much different from some of the Communists. I
>don't think there was anything in Nazi propaganda which suggested that
>any Nazis dissapproved of what the Bolshevics did to the Royal family.
>Hitler makes it very clear that he considered the coming war as
>between genetically distinct races, and not ideology. The only thing
>wrong with Communism, in Hitler's view, was that it "distributed the
>poverty."
>>
>> Bush and the NeoCons waged war against the Iraqi
>> people in order to steal their oil.
>
> Perhaps. The Iranians in the days of Saddam Hussein waged large
>wars for oil. Or was it Iraqis trying to steal Irans oil? Oil seems to
>be a very addictive, nasty narcotic. I hope whoever wins the election
>gets us off the stuff, its unhealthy for several reasons. And that is
>proper topic for a physics forum. How are we all going to get off this
>fossil fuel addiction?
>>
>> The vast majority of Americans were against both wars,
>> but after FDR and Bush got them into wars,
>> as almost always happens when a nation
>> is engaged in a war, right or wrong,
>> the masses fall into line.
>
> FDR knew German fluently. He listened to all of Hitler's
>speeches, and read the Nazi propaganda. He refers to the aggression of
>the Nazi program many times. Unlike you, he probably read Mein Kampf
>carefully. Maybe he understood the Nazis better than you, and decided
>they really were a long term threat to the United States. Maybe you
>don't understand the long term plans of the Nazi party.
>>
>> Regarding the poster's suggestion that the German people
>> "were anti intellectual" when they were confronting the
>> Class War Instigators, during this period
>> they invented the Jet Airplane, advanced rocket technology,
>> and made numerous advances in synthetics, medicine, etc.
> Yes, they made plenty of advances in meteorology too. As far as
>medicine is concerned, I don't think so. The Germans before World War
>II had excellent biologists, and very few of these biologists were
>Jewish. The Nazi party almost destroyed real biological research in
>Germany. Read,
>"Biologists Under Hitler," by Ute Deichman.
> Mengele contributed nothing of value to biology. He was a snake
>oil salesman, with sadistic tendencies. The only major contribution
>the Nazis made to medicine was Gray's anatomy. Not because their
>doctors were so great. However, the extermination camps provided
>plenty of cadavers to make extremely detailed photographs for anatomy.
>The Nazis did make a number of very good anatomy studies, using
>extermination camp victims.
> There was also pretty good work on biology related physics. The
>electron microscope was developed at that time. I talked to a
>scientist who took part in those experiments, and he was ashamed of
>the Nazis. However, he was a physicist not a biologist. Real
>biologists had problems under the Nazis. Remember, the Nazis banned
>Darwin not Lorentz or Newton. The Nazis had a very big prejudice
>against the full theory of evolution, no matter what Creationists may
>claim.
> The physicists and engineers had under Hitler enough sell outs
>to run a pretty efficient weapons research. However, physicists and
>engineers were farther from "racial theory" than the biologists.
>Heisenberg knew relativity was useful, regardless of whether it was
>"Jewish physics." He just used H. A. Lorentz as a sort of "racial
>filter" for relativity, and justified atom bomb research by saying
>Lorentz developed it. The Gestapo probably killed Lorentz, but Germans
>didn't care about "pointy headed intellectuals" enough to do
>anything.
>
>> Perhaps they rejected General Relativity and other theories
>> that are Towers of Babel that waste time, money and minds
>> on such pursuits as time travel, worm holes,
>> rubber clocks and rulers, etc.
> The German physicists did not reject relativity at all.
>Heisenberg certainly didn't. Neither did any of the engineers and
>physicists in the Nazi probably. The prejudice against "theory" wasn't
>a real belief, it was a political position. It was the politicians and
>social philosophers who objected to "physics theory," not the physical
>scientists.
> It was the layman Nazi who rejected relativity. It was the
>semieducated Kraut who rejected everything they didn't understand.
>Hitler, despite being smart in some areas, didn't have a head for any
>abstract theory. All the resistance against theoretical physics came
>from the quasiliterate psychos in politics.
>>
>> because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>>
> Your mind is covered in "wall paper," which is what Hitler
>called sound bites. You haven't even read "Mein Kampf."
> I won;t post any more on the topic here not because I don't have
>more to say, but because this is inappropriate for a physics forum.
It is interesting to see that "Darwin123" read "Mein Kampf"
and his mind is so covered in the "wall paper," that he is unable to
comprehend
that I was posting about the German people, the Class Wars of the
1900's,
and the gang that instigated the Class Wars and is instigating the
Religious Wars of the 2000's, and not about Hitler nor the Nazi Party.
"Darwin123" is so consumed by "Mein Kampf" wallpaper
that he does not comprehend that Hitler
was franchised by the German people to prevent the gang
that had assassinated the Russian Royal Family,
and co-opted the Russian government,
from doing to Germany, what they had done to the Russian people:
steal all their power and assets,
relegate the Native Russians to second class citizens,
and use their nation as the springboard to instigate
their Class Wars all over the Earth,
and implement policies that
caused the deaths of millions of native Russians.
And "Darwin123" does not comprehend that the German people
had to turn to Hitler to save them from the gang that was
instigating the Class Wars because the gang destroyed and intimidated
all the potential leaders who comprehended their evil game,
and tried to stop them, or call the public's attention to their game,
and Hitler was the only one around willing to take on the task.
As "Darwin123" has read all about Hitler and the Nazi Party,
no doubt he knows that the Nazi Party had to establish a
private police force to prevent War-for-Profit Goons
from destroying, beating, and killing their members,
and from breaking up their meetings,
a practice Jews use to this day.
And "Darwin123" does not comprehend that after the Nazi Party
gained power in Germany, that the economy of Germany soared,
while the economies of America, England, and the nations
who were yielding to the instigations of the Class War Instigators
were falling deeper and deeper into economic and cultural depressions.
The German people, and even Hitler did not want
to engage England and America in a deadly war.
As can be seen by reading HISTORY, rather than
being consumed by the words of ONE SYSTEMATICALLY DEMONIZED MAN,
England used Germany's attack on Poland as an excuse
to declare war on the German people.
The following web site graphically show what
Jews were doing to Germans before Germany
invaded Poland, and gave Churchill his excuse to
declare war on the German people.
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm
Hitler was working hard to get England and America
on his side to go after the Class War Instigators.
Rudolf Hess, Hitler's best friend,
flew a plane to Scotland on May 10, 1941,
on the eve of war with the Soviet Union,
an attempt to negotiate peace with England.
He was arrested, kept drugged, kept in isolation,
and never allowed to talk to the press or anyone,
as this would have exposed the fact
that high British politicians had sold out to
the gang that was instigating the Class Wars,
as FDR had done, and they were working to
con the English people to support the
terrorists who were instigating the Class wars.
If FDR had joined with the German people and gone after
the terrorists that had massacred the Russian Royal Family,
co-opted the Russian government,
and were using Russia as a base from where to
instigate the Class Wars of the 1900's,
WWII would have lasted six months,
and there would have been no Cold War, no nuclear weapons,
no Korean War, no Vietnam War, no 911, no Religious Wars, etc.
Fortunately for America and the world FDR died,
and as the Jews had not had time to "Jimmy Carter" the new leaders,
(Truman, Nixon, Hoover, McCarthy, etc.),
and Americans were sick of conflict and war,
the new leaders managed to prevent the takeover of America
by the War-for-profit gang.
A. Raven Thomson, London, in the periodical Nation Europa, issue 10/
II:
"Today the men in Britain's leadership are realizing more and more
what a mistake it was to attack Germany under American and Jewish
pressure. In their casual sports-based jargon, many of them now admit:
'We bet on the wrong horse.' They now feel that if Britain could not
resist waging a war, then she should have done so on the German rather
than on the Soviet side. Even Churchill expressed this realization in
terms he deemed fitting: 'We slaughtered the wrong pig.'
--
Tom Potter
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Ian Parker
Lenin to St. Petersburg in a sealed train? All crap snipped.
- Ian Parker
Darwin123
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family, nor anywhere where he even condemns the murderous atrocities
of the Communist party. Hitler does say that the Slavs are animals,
only fit to serve the needs of the German people. This I think would
include the Russian royal family, had they lived. The only
condemnation of socialism in Mein Kampf is the critique that it
distributes the poverty.
Hitler says in a very straightforward way that the conflict is not
between ideologies. The conflict is between peoples, not governments.
Certain peoples must be eliminated or enslaved. To allow the weak to
win would cause the earth to "spin on without people, as it did for
thousands of years before mankind was created." He did not say he was
afraid of Germans murdering Germans. He thought that about four fifths
of Germans should die in the coming war which would be started by the
Jews. The Jewish people would be destroyed totally, but four fifths of
Germans would be removed. Hitler was not talking about the German
royal family.
There is nowhere Hitler says, "Communism kills many people. I want
everyone to avoid Communism because it creates disaster." The party is
called the National Socialists. He funded a public works program every
bit as ambitious as the work program by FDR. That is how the Autobohn
was built. The issue was not Socialism, it was people. The issue as
stated by Hitler was "living space." There wasn't enough room on earth
for Germans and other people. There wasn't a single massacre ever
condemned by Hitler. He categorically states that all armed conflict
was good, and hand to hand combat even better.
Hitler was no hypocrite. The same can't be said for all the people
who supported his program. I believe that most of the Gestapo were
honest Germans. If you read Mein Kampf, or read Hitler's speeches, you
should be able to figure out what his program was all about. Then you
can tell us, citing quotations from Saint Hitler, that leave us with
little doubt about what he was trying to do.
We can never be sure what the Germans who supported Hitler really
saw in the Nazi party. The Communists did murder many people. There
was certainly a lot to fear from the Commies. However, the franchise
given to Hitler was not about avoiding individual death. His program
involved boycotting and isolating Jewish merchants, Jewish physics,
and living space. He hardly seemed concerned with Communist agents at
all. The issue was living space. The German people need more living
space. The special franchise was about eliminating other people and
their families and then acquiring their living space. In terms of that
program espoused by Hitler, the elimination of the Russian royal
family seemed rather mild. I am sure that is how the plurality of
Germans who voted him in felt.
Just to be fair, I am specifying the plurality of Germans who
voted him in. I am sure most Germans thought he was crazy.
Furthermore, I am sure basically good people were forced into his
service. However, please do Hitler the honor of presenting his views
honestly. No phony "franchise."
Eric Gisse
[snip]
Why are you arguing with crackpotter? Just leave him to his anti-
science and antisemitism.
Darwin123
> On Sep 7, 1:32 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
>
> How do we know those photos of starved out prisoners were not the 1
> million German POWs starved to death by Jewish Einsenhower?
1) Because many of the people in those pictures were Jews and have
recorded testimony on what went on.
2) Because a lack of physical evidence for those German POWs
starved, which would include either the bodies or the equipment to
eliminate the bodies.
-I suspect some of the starving German POW is true. However, most
German prisoners in the United States through most of the war were
treated well. What happened in the confusion just after the war I
can't be sure about.
3) Because many of those starving faces were women and children who
were not a major part of the German forces at that time.
4) Because I know Jewish survivors from those extermination camps
complete with the number tattoos who will vouch for the reality of the
extermination camps.
5) Because you don't know any German POW survivors from the
extermination camps you claim existed.
6) Because there is testimony from Jews and other people who
suffered in those extermination camps, some of whom were forced to
destroy the bodies of other people in the camp.
7) Because Mein Kampf and other German propaganda encourages the
elimination and brutalization of nonGermans, and nothing publicaly
stated by FDR or Churchill encourages genocide.
8) Because most of the Holocaust Denial fairytale involves false
statement of scientific fact, such as the idea that wood is always
necessary to burn bodies.
9) Because the actual German's who survive from this period do not
deny the possibility of mass murder of nonGerman's in WWII. Most of
this Holocaust Denial is coming from second generation Germans and
nonparticipants who have no way of knowing what happened. There is no
convincing testimony from people involved in the Gestapo or the
Eisenggruppen or the "fake" extermination camps who will get up and
say this is all a fabrication. The only defense presented is the idea
that they were under orders, or that this was necessary in some way.
-This by the way is one reason I am against wholesale elimination
of the technicians who instigated this horror. The people who did
these things are the best witnesses for what happened. The bigoted
Mideast and Russian stooges are not good historians.
>
> Jewish David Cole who courageously stood up to his blood-thirsty
> leadership exposed the Holohoax:
Using a Nazi wannabee who wasn't there, and doesn't even claim
to be there? Jews are not always good witnesses. I suspect if Hitler
hadn't gone psycho on Jews, there would have been a lot more Jewish
Nazis. My comments about spoiled, stupid second generation Nazis
applies double for spoiled, stupid Jews of later generations.
Go to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. If you don't believe
the recorded testimony of Jews and other people who were there, try
asking some of the old docents who are there. Many holocaust survivors
are docents at the Holocaust Museum. I am sure they would have a lot
to say to you if you call them liars.
Only hurry. They are getting old and are dying. If you wait a few
years, they will disappear completely. And then we will all know you
are a coward, that you can't face the victims of this insanity. For my
part, I would like to meet some Nazi POWs who were starved at the
latter part of WWII. I am sure they will be much more insightful than
a spoiled nitwit who doesn't bother to check his facts. Please tell me
where to find them, I promise to be polite.