Re: Androcles, Y. Porat will explain Einstein
Y.Porat
> On Sep 8, 8:38 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:ce7f3e5e-ef98-4bac...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...> hanson wrote:
>
> > h
>
> > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote
> > i told you that i can explain to you
> > why SR is right
> > and GR is wrong
> > it is not praying it is physics new arguments
> > if you dont like i will not explain
> > btw
> > my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
>
> > hanson wrote:
>
> > Yehi, I see you are itching to explain. But I have
> > discussed all what I wanted to discuss with you.
> > So I am out of the loop. Thanks again, my friend.
>
> > However, Androcles, whose website you cited at the
> > beginning of this thread, will be more than willing to
> > hear "why SR is right & and GR is wrong" according to
> > you, which "is not praying it is physics new arguments"
>
> > So, Yehi, bring on your new arguments for Androcles,
> > who, I am certain, lend you an ear.
> > Androcles... over to you.....
> > hanson
>
> ---------------
> thank you Hanson my friend
> from promoting me
>
> (btw why are you afraid of an apposite
> physics discussion??)
>
> so here we go in short as possible
> and as i said before
> the inorganic world is not cleave enough to learn
> the 'sophisticated ' complexities that
> smart 'physicists' do:
>
> so we have to start and agree about
> some basic postulates or understandings
> in order of having a common base
> for discussion:
>
> 1
> motion or translation
> are RELATIVE TO SOME
> * MOTION CHOSEN REFERENCE *
>
> 2
> velocity is the next out come of it
> we have to compare our tested object
> with some 'velocity reference '
> we cannot detect or measure it
> unless comparing it to the motion or velocity
> reference
> so just here starts the 'relativity' business
>
> 3
> in our world there is some maximum velocity
> of any object !!
> (please wait for the next postulate
> and you will understand why !!)
>
> 4
> we cant deal with the whole real picture
> without understanding the *dynamic part'
> behind it :
> we cannot change velocity unless
> there is some force involved in it !!
> 5
> force is done by some *force agents **
> by collision of them with the tested object.
>
> 6
> those force agents have some** maximum
> velocity** (no matetr what is that maximum
> of else you could ask
> if there is no maximum than what was
> the** reason** for having***a new then maximum*
> velocity
> (than it was before )
> 7
> since those force agents have a maximum
> velocity
> **they cannot transfere to the tested object
> more velocity than their own velocity.
>
> 8
> Time is a human invention to describe
> *relative motion* compared to some
> 'motion reference'
> 9
> since force agents are the ones
> that add or diminish velocity
> angd since their own velocity is limited
> *it becomes more and more difficult
> for them to haunt the tested object and add velocity
> to it *
> iow
> you need more and more of them
> until the 'stock of force agents is exhausted '
> and that is the point of just seemingly
> growing mass until 'infinity'
> it is not mass that waas growing
> it is the needed energy
>
> F'/Gamma =m a (not F=gamma m a )
> The Einstein formula using gamma
> **is right **
> it is only its **interpretation* that is wrong!!
> 10
> from here on
> stems out
> all that business of shortening of length
> or time starts on
> provided you understand properly
> all the above
> *and how it influences our measurements *
>
> so
> it is some 10 points (:-)
>
> not yet
> now we have the point No 11
> unlike SR that is right
> GR is nonsese
> i explained it in past more than once
> if asked i will do it again and again
>
> copyright explanation about why SR is right
>
> and GR is nonsense Y.Porat 8-09-2008
>
> ATB
> ----------------------------------
just allow me to expand the thread to more NGs
see above quoted text
now to point 11
if it is force messengers that make attraction force
than there i s no need for 'curved space time'
TIA
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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> news:uT2xk.844$Wd.401@trnddc01...
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>
> > about being Jewish and SR/GR many times now...
> > and if you repeat it every day, like a daily prayer, then
> > it will become reality in your own mind and it will evoke
> > the contrary effect in other folks perceptions & mentation
> > ahahaha... So, if that is what you want, Yehi, then that's
> > cool by me... ahahaha... That's Jewish intelligence at
> > its best, Yehi... hahahahaha...
>
> > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote
> > i told you that i can explain to you
> > why SR is right
> > and GR is wrong
> > it is not praying it is physics new arguments
> > if you dont like i will not explain
> > btw
> > my stile is tobe short .......and apposite .....
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
>
> > hanson wrote:
> > Yehi, I see you are itching to explain. But I have
> > discussed all what I wanted to discuss with you.
> > So I am out of the loop. Thanks again, my friend.
>
> > However, Androcles, whose website you cited at the
> > beginning of this thread, will be more than willing to
> > hear "why SR is right & and GR is wrong" according to
> > you, which "is not praying it is physics new arguments"
>
> > So, Yehi, bring on your new arguments for Androcles,
> > who, I am certain, lend you an ear.
> > Androcles... over to you.....
> > hanson
>
> http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
> Bless you and all who sail in her.
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what is your question about my above explanations
do you find something wrong in it ???
btw
please note that i ddint say that th e maximum possible velocity
that exists
is c
we can only say that
c is a maximum according to the **known experiments*
if you show me more than that it will still not contradict my claim
that there is a maximum velocity (at the end of the day)
and what counts is what experiments show !!
TIA
Y.Porat
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gl...@aol.com
<Since those force agents have a maximum velocity they cannot
transfer to the tested object more velocity than their own velocity.>
F = ma = m(dv/dt). If, then, F = 10 grams and m = 8 grams,
what is the value of v if a = 10 cm/sec/sec and t = 1 second?
What is the value if m = 4 grams, or 1 gram?
glird
Y.Porat
> On Sep 8, 4:49 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <Since those force agents have a maximum velocity they cannot
> transfer to the tested object more velocity than their own velocity.>
>
> F = ma = m(dv/dt). If, then, F = 10 grams and m = 8 grams,
if as above
you get
10=8 times a
so a is 10/8 cm /sec^2
right ?
> what is the value of v if a = 10 cm/sec/sec and t = 1 second?
v = a times t
so v= 10 tomes 1 = 10 cm/second
but that is in low velocities
> What is the value if m = 4 grams, or 1 gram?
value of what ?? are you joking ??
Y.P
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>
> glird
hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/81164b60542b132a?hl=en
>
hanson wrote:
Yehi, I have good news for you, which would be even
better, if you would not constantly snip this preamble:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/234f1ca7e06bac07?hl=en
>
So, since Androcles has only shown marginal & feeble
interest in you and has answered your question with one
of his own [A], a query that challenges your assertions &
assumes that his Goyim Newton Weltbild prevails over
yours, let me correct that and do the honors for you:...
>
Yehiel, you may consider yourself standing on the podium
of the Physics Olympiad to receive the Ig-Nobel/Gold
medal, where with global prime time TV coverage, history
will record that Yehiel Porat has published that
>
::Porat:: F'/Gamma =m a (not F=gamma m a )
::Porat:: copyright explanation about why SR is right
::Porat:: and GR is nonsense Y.Porat 8-09-2008
>
followed by these accolades from Ig-Nobel:
= Yehiel Porat's seminal work, in one stroke of pure Jewish
= genius of profound and incisive insight has risen & is
= soaring high above his many prior Yiddishe street corner
= performances. Yehiel's latest accomplishment (above)
= must be honored as of a state of the art work, performed
= by him in a noble dance as a Semitic Einstein Dingleberry,
= a true testament of the superiority of Jewish Intelligence.
>
hanson comments:
Bravo, Yehi, it can't get any better than that. You are a true
blossom of Jewish culture and intelligence. Congratulations,
and MOST of all, Yehi... Thanks for the laughs... AHAHAHA
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... Your old friend hanson.
>
PS:
Yehi, I just love your acceptance speech which you just
directed at Dr Henry Wilson, your Ig-Gold medal presenter:
>
Porat to Dr. Wilson in a concurrent post:
::Porat:: why dont you old demogue moron crook inbecile
::Porat:: crackpoter learn physics and some decency
::Porat:: and human behaviour ? and speak physics and
::Porat:: not personal demagogism you cant cheat
::Porat:: everybody forever Mr imbecile that is unable to
::Porat:: learn anything new eccept parroting
::Porat:: BYE Y.Porat
>
.... ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....
AHAHAHAHA....ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha...
That's some fantastic yiddishe street corner act, Yehi!
.... ahahahahahaha... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....
Y.Porat
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Hi Hanson
i am not about how you are serious and how you are joking
anyway
about my clash with Wilson:
before aserting my nasty words
you should notince waht was [receding it
by the crook Wilson:
instead answering my claimes
becausde he could not answer
he is telling me and actually tothe other
readers
thati have to learn basics of physics
while the situation is that he is the one to learn basics of
physics
fo rinstance
while i show it that
F=Gamma m a
can be presented in two equivalent amthematical forms
but very different physical meaning
he tells me to leran physics
you see
if someone is a lier (on your expense)
you cant sit indifferent and let alier demagogue win
btw
androcless does not find interest in my claimes
because
a he does not probably understand it
b
he cant refute it
he cannt deny that it becomes more difficuly
to add velocity to mass
yet thr reason for that is formated bythe
Gamma factor that Einstein introduced
with a 'slight' different but meaning ful
interpretation:
it is not mass that growes
**it i sthe needed grwing energy to do it !!
and while abolishing the stupid paradigm
that mass'inflates'
i think i really did service to science
not to menstion my Circlon idea
and my Model of thje Atom and nuc
ps i have no delustions about standing on any
podium .......
except that future will be on my side
thats how our world works
ATB
Y.Porat
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hanson
thats how our world works -- ATB -- Y.Porat
>
hanson wrote:
There you go, Yehi. For that healthy confidence
and self-esteem you ought to get another "Gold".
But don't kill your Ig-Nobel now with overdoing it.
So here it is one more time for you to celebrate:
Y.Porat
> -- ahaha... VERY GOOD, YEHI... AHAHHAHA... --
>
Thank you Hanson!!
btw i keep on snipping big parts
because no one is goping to read jsut now
all of you longish recordings
we must be sharp and concscise
that is how an multy public mass media discussion is going on
by our 'instant media'
you told me not to take myself too serious in this ng
remember ?? (:-)
ps
i am not done yet with my explanations about SR
i am taking my time fo rpeople to digest it
later i will comment about
all those 'time' or length shortenings
o
ATB
Y.Porat
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hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
thenhanson wrote:
Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
Even if you think that you having the last word does.
hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
Androcles
Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations"
Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS UP YOUR ARSE,
can I have a fucking ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know, you idle
skinflint.
I'll ask grandpa."
Y.Porat
> hanson wrote:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93a...
> then
>
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i am not done yet with my explanations
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
may be
anyway my next explanations will be about
'shortening of length or Time '
keeping in mind that
the moving frame is not a theoretic 'sterile ' frame
but something that is riding on the back of some mass !!
and acted by force agents!!
ATB
Y.Porat
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hanson
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> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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>> hanson wrote:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
>> then
>>>
>> "Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
>> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
>> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>>
>>
and wrote:
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
.... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
hanson
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>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93a...
> then
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hanson wrote:
> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>
may be
anyway my next explanations will be about
'shortening of length or Time '
keeping in mind that
the moving frame is not a theoretic 'sterile ' frame
but something that is riding on the back of some mass !!
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... HAHAHAHAHA... hahahaha...
But Yehi,... Me, hanson, I am NOT interested at all
in hearing over and over again re-explanations of
trivial basic physics-theories of centuries long
gone and passed. You must take that subject up
with Androcles who is deep into stuff like that.
Androcles even challenged and mocked you
in a concurrent post with this:
>
Androcles (= little girl) wrote to (daddy=) Porat:
>
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... hahahahaha... ahahahanson
Androcles
You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
hanson
>>>>
hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/e26edd2c93ae32ab?hl=en
then
"Y.Porat" <y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
i am not done yet with my explanations ... [YP]
>>>>>
hanson wrote:
Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
Even if you think that you having the last word does.
hahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahahanson
>>>>
Androcles as "Little girl" spoke upon "Daddy" Porat
and wrote:
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, can I have an ice-cream?"
::A::Daddy: "I am not done yet with my explanations" ... [YP]
::A::Little girl: "Daddy, STICK YOU EXPLANATIONS
::A:: UP YOUR ARSE, can I have a fucking
::A:: ice-cream, you ignorant bastard?"
::A::Daddy: "Sorry darling, daddy can't afford it."
::A::Little girl: " Ok, thanks, that's all I needed to know,
you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>>>
hanson wrote:
.... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
>>
You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
>
ahahahahaha... Don't be so mean with "parrot" Porat.
Yehi said that he was the inventor of "parroting", he being
the dude who first brought it to sci.physics... ahahaha...
>
Now as far a "speed parrot"... hahahaha... assuming
you mean Porat's "unconventional" spelling... ahahaha...
about which, when he got bitched at, Yehi laconically
declared ~ "So what? You know fucken-A-well what I
mean and talk about. "... ahahahaha...
First, I thought that Yehi just retorted in anger but there
is more to it like here... in this e-mail that's making the
circuits now again:
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Battens <K...@I-INSTALL-IT.com>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Sent: Sat Sep 06 22:53:45 2008
>
Only great minds can read this. This is weird, but
interesting!
>
fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too
Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd
waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres
in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit
and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a
pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt!
>
Andro, see:...
*** DIFFERENT STROKES BY DIFFERENT FOLKS ***
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Androcles
http://cdn.liveleak.com/14/media14/2007/Aug/20/LiveLeak-dot-com-84466-BiggieBear.jpg
Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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you called what he wrote
a physical discussion ??!!
let me use your your copyright
HAHAHA
2
i started above an unprecedented claim:
ie
The moving frame that is tested actually in real experiments
is
A FRAME** MOUNTED ON SOME MASS !!!**
no mass no real physics remember ???
(it is** not **a fantastic spooky frame but mass connected one )
moreover
that frame is in a force field ie acted by force messengers
that have an **upper limit **for their velocity !!
no matter what is that upper limit as long as it is
*an upper limit * !!
3
you ddint notice that me and Androcles AND YOU HANSON ....
are **not** in dispute that ::----
---- GR (curved space time ) - is nonsense !!
iow
we think the same about it
the difference is about SR and only pats of it
i dont get some of its ** interpretations **
that mass is inflating
i dont accept that photons do not have mass etc etc
and now i introduced my new above claim
that might even diminish the diffrences between
me and Andro
ATB
Y.Porat
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hanson
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> Byte my bear arse.
>
> http://cdn.liveleak.com/14/media14/2007/Aug/20/LiveLeak-dot-com-84466-BiggieBear.jpg
>
.... ahahahaha... WHY?... Why me? ... Porat though
might wanna do it... said he in his concurrent post:
>
::P:: and now i introduced my new above claim
::P:: that might even diminish the diffrences between
::P:: me and Andro
>
Maybe Yehi has a fat ass too... ahahahaha... hahaha..
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Androcles
No, no, my ass is fine, I said to bite my bare misspelt arse.
'Tis true, though, one can make sense if one employs
word recognition and context sensitivity instead of mere
character recognition, clearly the next layer in artificial
intelligence.
You can tell Mr. Porridge that the differences between he
and I are insurmountable, though, for I have a brain.
hanson
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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Andro wrote:
> No, no, my ass is fine, I said to bite my bare misspelt arse.
>
> 'Tis true, though, one can make sense if one employs
> word recognition and context sensitivity instead of mere
> character recognition, clearly the next layer in artificial
> intelligence.
>
> You can tell Mr. Porridge that the differences between he
> and I are insurmountable, though, for I have a brain.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... never mind the brain
for the moment, but mind your ass, whether bare, furred or
fat... that you don't get any hemmies because of / over this...
Thanks for the laughs, Andro... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Androcles
Sheesh...
If you don't learn the difference you might get kick in the goolies when
poking it.
this is an ass:
http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg
and this is an arse:
http://www.pissfunny.com/scripts/vauthenticate/members/resources/148052862_b6474626b8.jpg
hanson
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> Sheesh...
> If you don't learn the difference you might get kick in the goolies when
> poking it.
> this is an ass:
> http://www.explorecrete.com/albums/album19/donkey.jpg
> and this is an arse:
http://www.pissfunny.com/scripts/vauthenticate/members/resources/148052862_b6474626b8.jpg
>
... ahahahaha.. what "Sheesh"?... see, that's where the
brain comes back in, especially for the latter one which
is not only beautiful but classified as "resources"... ahaha...
which makes it irrelevant whether you call it ass or arse.
Androcles
aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy (home of
Stevie Wonder Hawking, theoretical physicist in a space-age
wheelchair) it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are,
the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae.
if you try poking your dick in an ass. Only ever poke an arse
and even then be careful, the inlet is very close to the exhaust.
Y.Porat
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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>
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> >> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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> >>> hanson wrote:
> >>> then
>
> >>> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> i am not done yet with my explanations ... [YP]
>
> >>> hanson wrote:
> >>> Yehi, don't be so anxious. The story NEVER ends.
> >>> Even if you think that you having the last word does.
> > you idle skinflint. I'll ask grandpa."
>
> > hanson wrote:
> > .... hahahaha... Don't tattle-tale to me, Little girl. Go
> > tell that directly to Daddy Porat.. why the hang up?
> > You are not afraid of him or are you?.... ahahaha
>
> You think I'd waste my time with a cretin that can't speed "parrot"?
> He's all yours, I'm just having a laugh. Ask him the question.
i am not familiar with your question
may be describe it in detail to me
than may be i can answer
keeping in mind that the
TIA
Y.Porat
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