Porridge Oats
Ros
anybody else found porridge giving them the munchies?
At first I thought I was imagining it. Now, I only eat it about three
times a week, but have been thinking of eating it for supper instead of
breakfast, thus ridding myself of the hunger while asleep.
Ros
Julie Bove
"Ros" <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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How's your BG after you eat it? I can't eat it. My BG would be through the
roof if I had it. And that would make me hungry.
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Chris Malcolm
> After eating porridge for breakfast, I feel hungry all day long. Has
> anybody else found porridge giving them the munchies?
Absolutely, but it's not just porridge for breakfast, although that's
a particularly bad combination due to the extra carb sensitivity I have
in the morning.
Eating that much carbs at any meal starts me off on a roller coaster
of BG highs followed by hard to resist cravings for carby snacks
throughout the rest of the day. Porridge is probably the worst
breakfast I could have from the point of view of BG control. The only
worse breakfasts for me would be porridge plus even more carbs, such
as toast and orange juice.
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Roger Zoul
:: After eating porridge for breakfast, I feel hungry all day long. Has
Some people, like me, get set off on a "wanna eat" rampage when we get a
carb-blast that is too great. that's one reason I control my carb
consumption. You may wish to consider if you too are this type of person.
You might also try eating it in combination with something containing fat
and/or protein. That might lessen the BG rollercoaster you might be
experiencing.
Evelyn Ruut
"Ros" <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Hi Ros,
I also experienced that. I don't eat it anymore because of it. Hubby was
eating it for breakfast for a while and he noticed the same thing. He was
hungry like a bear, an hour or so later.
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Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
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That might work for you.
For me, if I eat a chunk of carbs like that, my bg comes back down in
12 hours or so, but it takes about 2 days for the hunger to go away.
If I eat carby stuff like that for a couple days, it takes a good week
for the hunger to go away. My bg stays up for 4-5 days, and it's
another day or two before the hunger goes away.
To the other poster who asked; yes this is about "real" porridge for
me. As in... whole wheat berries or oat groats cooked overnight in a
crockpot or such. We don't do much in the way of processed foods at my
house.
I've been diabetic about 15 years now. I used to tolerate small
amounts of fiberous carbs in a meal with fat and protein OK, but not so
much anymore. You have to find out what works for you.
Trinkwasser
wrote:
>In alt.support.diabetes Ros <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> After eating porridge for breakfast, I feel hungry all day long. Has
>> anybody else found porridge giving them the munchies?
>Absolutely, but it's not just porridge for breakfast, although that's
>a particularly bad combination due to the extra carb sensitivity I have
>in the morning.
>
>Eating that much carbs at any meal starts me off on a roller coaster
>of BG highs followed by hard to resist cravings for carby snacks
>throughout the rest of the day.
Yup, me too.
Check your BG every hour after eating it, you may well find it soars
up then drops rapidly, for me it's the rapid drops (even though the
amplitude may not be that great compared to say a Type 1's numbers)
which drive the hungers. This seems to be quite common.
>Porridge is probably the worst
>breakfast I could have from the point of view of BG control. The only
>worse breakfasts for me would be porridge plus even more carbs, such
>as toast and orange juice.
Such as listed on a recently recommended website, 54g carbs for
breakfast and diminishing amounts later in the day, the exact opposite
of how most of us seem to work.
I can still maintain nearly normal BG by limiting the carbs most
strictly at breakfast and adding them back in gradually during the
rest of the day. This also seems to be quite common.
mont...@lycos.com
unsaturated fat and cholesterol cooked while exposed to air can be
dangerous. I make oatmeal that is very runny, almost like a soup, so I
don't eat much of it at one time. I also eat a lot of cheese at the
same time (on the side). The meal is very satisfying. I have page on
my site that talks about my diet. You can see it at:
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/thebestpracticaldietandtheexplanationforit.msnw
You can also just go to:
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
and look through the essays and posts, since many are related to diet
and health.
Ros
I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
When my mother was diagnosed with diabetes, the nutritionist told her
to eat porridge every morning, and she did this her whole life and was
always overweight.
When my husband was borderline diabetic, his nutritionist told him to
eat more carbs, such as Italian foods. So, even though I don't like
pasta, we introduced it into our diet. Speghetti isn't too bad to
taste, but I can't stand ravioli and the rest of that sticky stuff!
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There's nothing wrong with feeling hungrier. It is an indication that
you are healthier.
(You are using the 2PD-OMER approach afterall)
Would be more concerned about your eating the porridge if you had
written that after eating it that it caused you to lose your appetite
for the rest of the day.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> mont...@lycos.com wrote:
> > Protein and fat will satisfy for longer periods of time, but
> > unsaturated fat and cholesterol cooked while exposed to air can be
> > dangerous. I make oatmeal that is very runny, almost like a soup, so I
> > don't eat much of it at one time. I also eat a lot of cheese at the
> > same time (on the side). The meal is very satisfying. I have page on
> > my site that talks about my diet. You can see it at:
> >
> > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/thebestpracticaldietandtheexplanationforit.msnw
> >
> > You can also just go to:
> > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
> >
> > and look through the essays and posts, since many are related to diet
> > and health.
>
> I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
> plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
> maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
Healthy and nutritious provided the banana is not spoiled. Little
wonder that your appetite increases after eating this.
Replace the fresh banana with a maggot infested one and your appetite
will no doubt be destroyed.
(It is possible that some lost soul like Vicki Beausoil will come and
take this sentence as meaning I am recommending that people start
eating maggot infested bananas as she did with my comment about
spritzing food with acetone to recreate the effects of appetite loss
during hyperketonemia from low-carbing)
> When my mother was diagnosed with diabetes, the nutritionist told her
> to eat porridge every morning, and she did this her whole life and was
> always overweight.
Proof that "eating right" does not bring about weight loss.
> When my husband was borderline diabetic, his nutritionist told him to
> eat more carbs, such as Italian foods. So, even though I don't like
> pasta, we introduced it into our diet. Speghetti isn't too bad to
> taste, but I can't stand ravioli and the rest of that sticky stuff!
Proof that your husband did not become borderline diabetic from eating
more carbs because he was actually eating less.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear
neighbor Ros whom I love unconditionally.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Ros wrote:
> > mont...@lycos.com wrote:
> > > Protein and fat will satisfy for longer periods of time, but
> > > unsaturated fat and cholesterol cooked while exposed to air can be
> > > dangerous. I make oatmeal that is very runny, almost like a soup, so I
> > > don't eat much of it at one time. I also eat a lot of cheese at the
> > > same time (on the side). The meal is very satisfying. I have page on
> > > my site that talks about my diet. You can see it at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/thebestpracticaldietandtheexplanationforit.msnw
> > >
> > > You can also just go to:
> > > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
> > >
> > > and look through the essays and posts, since many are related to diet
> > > and health.
> >
> > I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
> > plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
> > maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
>
> Healthy and nutritious provided the banana is not spoiled. Little
> wonder that your appetite increases after eating this.
Does that mean eating delicious tasting food increases appetite?
>
> Replace the fresh banana with a maggot infested one and your appetite
> will no doubt be destroyed.
>
> (It is possible that some lost soul like Vicki Beausoil will come and
> take this sentence as meaning I am recommending that people start
> eating maggot infested bananas as she did with my comment about
> spritzing food with acetone to recreate the effects of appetite loss
> during hyperketonemia from low-carbing)
Well, I understand you and don't need to take your words out of
context. I think some people avoid you because they do not want to
hear the truth about themselves and their eating habits, and perhaps
they feel threatened by the fear of 'just in case there is a God'.
>
> > When my mother was diagnosed with diabetes, the nutritionist told her
> > to eat porridge every morning, and she did this her whole life and was
> > always overweight.
>
> Proof that "eating right" does not bring about weight loss.
>
> > When my husband was borderline diabetic, his nutritionist told him to
> > eat more carbs, such as Italian foods. So, even though I don't like
> > pasta, we introduced it into our diet. Speghetti isn't too bad to
> > taste, but I can't stand ravioli and the rest of that sticky stuff!
>
> Proof that your husband did not become borderline diabetic from eating
> more carbs because he was actually eating less.
Actually, I hadn't thought of that. You're right. His BSL remain
normal now.
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear
> neighbor Ros whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
The Lord's blessings to you.
Ros
Mr. Natural-Health
Ros wrote:
> I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
> plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
> maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
Well, you do not have to restrict your diet to just porridge in the
morning.
I eat hot old fashion rolled oat oatmeal cooked in the microwave for 60
seconds. Could be that you are over cooking it.
Prior, to eating the oatmeal I drink a banana shake made from plain
water, one ripe peeled banana, and one scoop of whey protein powder.
I do not experience any hunger problems.
sharppointy1
I cannot eat oatmeal or bananas in the morning, let alone together. My
blood sugar races up to over 300 and then just as rapidly plunges to
40-50. As another poster said, it's the precipitous drop that turns on
my appetite, which then is over active all day from the rollercoaster
blood sugars.
Perhaps if you had some protein or fat? I tried adding flaxseed oil to
my oatmeal, with only a nasty taste and a slightly longer time 'til
peak BS as a result.
What works best for this diabetic is a small piece of whole wheat toast
and a protein/fat combo of 1 tablespoon peanut butter or some sliced
turkey with mayo, along with low fat sugar free yogurt and a small
amount of fruit (!/2 peach this morning).
Good Luck trying different things! I sometimes feel like a chemistry
experiment, but it feels great when I figure out something that works
for me.
Barbara
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > mont...@lycos.com wrote:
> > > > Protein and fat will satisfy for longer periods of time, but
> > > > unsaturated fat and cholesterol cooked while exposed to air can be
> > > > dangerous. I make oatmeal that is very runny, almost like a soup, so I
> > > > don't eat much of it at one time. I also eat a lot of cheese at the
> > > > same time (on the side). The meal is very satisfying. I have page on
> > > > my site that talks about my diet. You can see it at:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/thebestpracticaldietandtheexplanationforit.msnw
> > > >
> > > > You can also just go to:
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
> > > >
> > > > and look through the essays and posts, since many are related to diet
> > > > and health.
> > >
> > > I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
> > > plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
> > > maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
> >
> > Healthy and nutritious provided the banana is not spoiled. Little
> > wonder that your appetite increases after eating this.
>
> Does that mean eating delicious tasting food increases appetite?
Definitely. Your own experience should affirm this.
> > Replace the fresh banana with a maggot infested one and your appetite
> > will no doubt be destroyed.
> >
> > (It is possible that some lost soul like Vicki Beausoil will come and
> > take this sentence as meaning I am recommending that people start
> > eating maggot infested bananas as she did with my comment about
> > spritzing food with acetone to recreate the effects of appetite loss
> > during hyperketonemia from low-carbing)
>
> Well, I understand you and don't need to take your words out of
> context. I think some people avoid you because they do not want to
> hear the truth about themselves and their eating habits, and perhaps
> they feel threatened by the fear of 'just in case there is a God'.
Creatures of darkness are drawn to light even though they avoid
emerging from the darkness into the light.
It remains my choice to keep my lamp uncovered (i.e. be openly
Christian) despite the numerous protestations, complaints, and general
outcry that the light of the truth is offensive.
> > > When my mother was diagnosed with diabetes, the nutritionist told her
> > > to eat porridge every morning, and she did this her whole life and was
> > > always overweight.
> >
> > Proof that "eating right" does not bring about weight loss.
> >
> > > When my husband was borderline diabetic, his nutritionist told him to
> > > eat more carbs, such as Italian foods. So, even though I don't like
> > > pasta, we introduced it into our diet. Speghetti isn't too bad to
> > > taste, but I can't stand ravioli and the rest of that sticky stuff!
> >
> > Proof that your husband did not become borderline diabetic from eating
> > more carbs because he was actually eating less.
>
> Actually, I hadn't thought of that. You're right. His BSL remain
> normal now.
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know LORD Jesus Christ to be kind,
just, and right.
It is in HIS name, that anyone can be right.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD.
<snip>
> The Lord's blessings to you.
Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind thoughts.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with His living water, dear sister
Mr. Natural-Health
cooked to a creamy mushy way overcooked state.
I would try making hot oatmeal in the morning. And, keep the final
product looking like intact oats.
Proper cooking is an important part of a healthy diet.
Who says so? I do. :)
Evelyn Ruut
"sharppointy1" <sharpp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159887412.3...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Ros (and Evelyn :-) )
> I cannot eat oatmeal or bananas in the morning, let alone together. My
> blood sugar races up to over 300 and then just as rapidly plunges to
> 40-50. As another poster said, it's the precipitous drop that turns on
> my appetite, which then is over active all day from the rollercoaster
> blood sugars.
> Perhaps if you had some protein or fat? I tried adding flaxseed oil to
> my oatmeal, with only a nasty taste and a slightly longer time 'til
> peak BS as a result.
> What works best for this diabetic is a small piece of whole wheat toast
> and a protein/fat combo of 1 tablespoon peanut butter or some sliced
> turkey with mayo, along with low fat sugar free yogurt and a small
> amount of fruit (!/2 peach this morning).
> Good Luck trying different things! I sometimes feel like a chemistry
> experiment, but it feels great when I figure out something that works
> for me.
> Barbara
Hi Barbara,
Good approach. Oatmeal is just one of those things I am not going to force
myself to eat, no matter who says it is healthy or why. I know I don't do
well when I eat it, so I don't. There are lots of other things that I can
eat with no problem. Oatmeal isn't one. I feel so much better when I eat
some kind of protein and keep the carbs low in the morning, or else I am on
a hunger see saw all day long.
Mr. Natural-Health
Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live without
eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If anything it
causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
Evelyn Ruut
"Mr. Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1159913316.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I know how to cook it also, and yes, it does taste good. But it doesn't
like me. Simple as that.
Ros
I usually cook three lots at once and put two in the fridge because it
takes so long to cook and makes a mess of the saucepan (hate washing up
too). I don't use sugar either.
Maybe I'll cook for just 5 minutes next time as I really don't want to
give it up as *they* say it is good for us.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For losing weight/VAT, it is not what you eat but how much.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear
neighbor Ros whom I love unconditionally.
Chris Malcolm
It *is* very good for us. That's why it's such a shame so many of us
can't eat because it also happens, for other reasons, to be so bad for
some of us as well as so good. Other reasons? A damagingly high BG
spike after eating it, especially if eaten for breakfast.
It was actually my BG response to morning oats (in the form of muesli)
which caused me to get diagnosed in the first place. A post muesli BG
spike of over 220. And that was muesli without any added sugar or
fruit, because I'd cut out the sugar years ago when my mother
developed diabetes. Of course I could still enjoy the benefits of
eating muesli (or porridge) for breakfast if I took a shot of insulin
to keep the BGs down. H'ever, since I'm lucky enough to be able to
manage well without meds, just by diet and exercise and losing weight,
I prefer not to start meds just so I can eat porridge or muesli for
breakfast.
It's arguable I might be even better off, in terms of long term
prognosis, if I took meds and ate porridge for breakfast. Personal
preference. YMMV. My doc and I are happy with the A1C of 5.6, fbgs
under 110, and slowly lowering weight and blood pressure, that I'm
getting without meds, even though I do have to give up the otherwise
healthy breakfast oats to be able to do that.
By the way, note that my BG spike of over 220 was in response to eating
*uncooked* oats.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> In alt.support.diabetes Ros <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> >> Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
> >> forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live without
> >> eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If anything it
> >> causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
> >>
> >> Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
>
> > I usually cook three lots at once and put two in the fridge because it
> > takes so long to cook and makes a mess of the saucepan (hate washing up
> > too). I don't use sugar either.
>
> > Maybe I'll cook for just 5 minutes next time as I really don't want to
> > give it up as *they* say it is good for us.
>
> It *is* very good for us. That's why it's such a shame so many of us
> can't eat because it also happens, for other reasons, to be so bad for
> some of us as well as so good.
Yes, some people do not like oatmeal and lose their appetite if they
have to eat it.
> Other reasons? A damagingly high BG
> spike after eating it, especially if eaten for breakfast.
If there is an excessively high BG spike after eating it, then the
quantity eaten was excessive.
> It was actually my BG response to morning oats (in the form of muesli)
> which caused me to get diagnosed in the first place. A post muesli BG
> spike of over 220.
You could have decreased the amount eaten until the spike was less than
200.
> And that was muesli without any added sugar or
> fruit, because I'd cut out the sugar years ago when my mother
> developed diabetes.
Yes, you inherited the predispostion to develop insulin resistance.
> Of course I could still enjoy the benefits of
> eating muesli (or porridge) for breakfast if I took a shot of insulin
> to keep the BGs down.
Wiser to simply reduce the amount of muesli.
> H'ever, since I'm lucky enough to be able to
> manage well without meds, just by diet and exercise and losing weight,
> I prefer not to start meds just so I can eat porridge or muesli for
> breakfast.
Nothing happens by luck because everything happens by GOD (Proverbs
16:33).
> It's arguable I might be even better off, in terms of long term
> prognosis, if I took meds and ate porridge for breakfast.
It would be untrue.
Your would definitely be better off by reducing the amount of porridge
for breakfast and have a healthier appetite from eating less of what
you enjoy to keep from spiking past 200.
> Personal preference. YMMV.
Wisdom is preferable.
> My doc and I are happy with the A1C of 5.6, fbgs
> under 110, and slowly lowering weight and blood pressure, that I'm
> getting without meds, even though I do have to give up the otherwise
> healthy breakfast oats to be able to do that.
There is no doubt that you could reduce the amount until you do not
spike past 200.
> By the way, note that my BG spike of over 220 was in response to eating
> *uncooked* oats.
When you lose the VAT, you will lose the insulin resistance and be able
to again eat your usual amount without spiking. Until then, if you
wish to have it for breakfast, it will have to be less.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chris whom I love unconditionally.
Juhana Harju
: In alt.support.diabetes Ros <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
:
:: Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
::: Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
::: forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live
::: without eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If
::: anything it causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
:::
::: Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
:
:: I usually cook three lots at once and put two in the fridge because
:: it takes so long to cook and makes a mess of the saucepan (hate
:: washing up too). I don't use sugar either.
:
:: Maybe I'll cook for just 5 minutes next time as I really don't want
:: to give it up as *they* say it is good for us.
:
: It *is* very good for us. That's why it's such a shame so many of us
: can't eat because it also happens, for other reasons, to be so bad for
: some of us as well as so good. Other reasons? A damagingly high BG
: spike after eating it, especially if eaten for breakfast.
:
: It was actually my BG response to morning oats (in the form of muesli)
: which caused me to get diagnosed in the first place.
Oats can hardly be the_cause_ of diabetes as eating a breakfast consising of
whole grains is actually associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes.
“We have started looking at what people are eating when they eat breakfast,
which led to our finding that eating whole-grain cereal each day was
associated with a 15 percent reduction in risk for the insulin resistance
syndrome.”
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3009715
--
Juhana
Alan S
Hello Juhana
I have no difficulty agreeing that a better, more balanced
diet with appropriate whole grains when I had no insulin
resistance and a fully functioning pancreas may have delayed
my membership of alt.support.diabetes. However, once I
passed the membership test, everything changed.
If you read it again you'll see that no-one said it caused
diabetes, not that that general study is relevant to
post-diagnosis diabetics in any case.
Chris was talking about what led to the high blood glucose
numbers which led to his diagnosis. Once diagnosed it's a
little late to worry about causes. And I can assure you that
the whole equation then changes for diabetics without a
suitable insulin response to the high BG load that starches,
whether whole grains or not, place on our system.
Please cut the diabetes groups from your future x-posts, as
I have. Unless you drop in over here I won't see a response.
But don't worry, I can live with that deprivation.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
Mr. Natural-Health
What a load of crap coming from a so-called MD no less. :(
What history has shown us is that give so-called religious people a
little bit of power and they will start killing anybody who does NOT
agree with their insanity.
Every hear of the Biblical concept of stoning? Or, how about the
modern day Blue Laws. All you really want to do is control people.
Your insanity has my condolences.
Mr. Natural-Health
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> message news:1159913316.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
> > forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live without
> > eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If anything it
> > causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
> >
> > Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
>
> I know how to cook it also, and yes, it does taste good. But it doesn't
> like me. Simple as that.
Excuse me, but there is nothing simple about that.
Research shows that Whole-Grains are in fact good for everyone.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
So, the question that I come up with is why do some people have
problems with oatmeal? Method of cooking and food preparation comes to
my mind.
Some people manage to engage in the most bizarre of all practices. You
cannot communcate with people, unless you communicate with someone what
you are talking about precisely in the extreme.
Eating cooked oatmeal where the oats are largely still intact means
that the oatmeal will take longer to be digested.
And, you appear to be an extreme case of closed mindedness.
Your close mindedness has my condolences.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Profanity simply shows that you are lost.
> coming from a so-called MD no less.
That is how GOD has shaped me.
> :(
Without the LORD, there can be only despair.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor John whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Juhana Harju
: On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:15 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
: <spamshantigirio...@gmail.com> wrote:
:
:: Chris Malcolm wrote:
::: In alt.support.diabetes Ros <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
:::
:::: Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
::::: Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
::::: forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live
::::: without eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If
::::: anything it causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
:::::
::::: Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
:::
:::: I usually cook three lots at once and put two in the fridge because
:::: it takes so long to cook and makes a mess of the saucepan (hate
:::: washing up too). I don't use sugar either.
:::
:::: Maybe I'll cook for just 5 minutes next time as I really don't want
:::: to give it up as *they* say it is good for us.
:::
::: It *is* very good for us. That's why it's such a shame so many of us
::: can't eat because it also happens, for other reasons, to be so bad
::: for some of us as well as so good. Other reasons? A damagingly high
::: BG spike after eating it, especially if eaten for breakfast.
:::
::: It was actually my BG response to morning oats (in the form of
::: muesli) which caused me to get diagnosed in the first place.
::
:: consisting of whole grains is actually associated with reduced risk
:: of type 2 diabetes.
::
:: "We have started looking at what people are eating when they eat
:: breakfast, which led to our finding that eating whole-grain cereal
:: each day was associated with a 15 percent reduction in risk for the
:: insulin resistance syndrome."
::
:: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3009715
:
: Hello Juhana
:
: I have no difficulty agreeing that a better, more balanced
: diet with appropriate whole grains when I had no insulin
: resistance and a fully functioning pancreas may have delayed
: my membership of alt.support.diabetes. However, once I
: passed the membership test, everything changed.
Here I agree.
: If you read it again you'll see that no-one said it caused
: diabetes, not that that general study is relevant to
: post-diagnosis diabetics in any case.
:
: Chris was talking about what led to the high blood glucose
: numbers which led to his diagnosis.
I understood it somewhat differently than you did.
: Once diagnosed it's a
: little late to worry about causes.
Finding the reasons might help others in preventing it.
: And I can assure you that
: the whole equation then changes for diabetics without a
: suitable insulin response to the high BG load that starches,
: whether whole grains or not, place on our system.
I agree that glycemic control is important.
--
Juhana
Roger Zoul
Folks. There is no proof that porridge, no matter how it's cooked, is some
miracle food. The same can be said for any food, BTW.
Roger Zoul
"Associated with" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
::::
:::: "We have started looking at what people are eating when they eat
:::: breakfast, which led to our finding that eating whole-grain cereal
:::: each day was associated with a 15 percent reduction in risk for the
:::: insulin resistance syndrome."
::::
:::: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3009715
:::
::: Hello Juhana
:::
::: I have no difficulty agreeing that a better, more balanced
::: diet with appropriate whole grains when I had no insulin
::: resistance and a fully functioning pancreas may have delayed
::: my membership of alt.support.diabetes. However, once I
::: passed the membership test, everything changed.
::
:: Here I agree.
::
::: If you read it again you'll see that no-one said it caused
::: diabetes, not that that general study is relevant to
::: post-diagnosis diabetics in any case.
:::
::: Chris was talking about what led to the high blood glucose
::: numbers which led to his diagnosis.
::
:: I understood it somewhat differently than you did.
But you understood it incorrectly. His words were clear.
::
::: Once diagnosed it's a
Mr. Natural-Health
Roger Zoul wrote:
> Folks. There is no proof that porridge, no matter how it's cooked, is some
> miracle food.
Folks. There is no proof that anybody said that.
Could be because nobody said that?
Try reading the thread next time, buddy.
Just thought that you might want to know.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In truth, Chris has not made any claim that it were.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Roger whom I
Trinkwasser
<spamshantigirio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Oats can hardly be the_cause_ of diabetes as eating a breakfast consising of
>whole grains is actually associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes.
Oats are not the *cause* of diabetes but it you have diabetes they can
be the *cause* of high blood glucose as can all carbs
>“We have started looking at what people are eating when they eat breakfast,
>which led to our finding that eating whole-grain cereal each day was
>associated with a 15 percent reduction in risk for the insulin resistance
>syndrome.”
>
>http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3009715
Yet many if not most Type 2 diabetics have worse insulin resistance in
the morning which makes it the worst time to eat carbs.
In my case wheat is the worst culprit by far, about as bad as white
sugar for causing BG spikes. I can just about get away with small
quantities of muesli by the evening, but for breakfast my absolute
maximum is around 15g *slow* (low glycemic) carbs, such as two
oatcakes, mixed with other stuff such as protein and fat: by evening I
can manage about twice the quantity without harm. Others have an even
greater change through the day, no more than 5g am but 40g in the
evening.
It took me years to discover that it was my high carb breakfasts that
were making me feel like crap the rest of the day, screwing up my
lipids and raising my blood pressure as well as the direct effects on
BG.
It is not impossible that high carb breakfasts work for some people
but for a lot they are pretty much poison.
One Size Does Not Fit All
Juhana Harju
: On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:15 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
I agree with you.
--
Juhana
Mr. Natural-Health
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Are YOU lost?
The topic of this thread is nutrition.
Just thought that the mentally ill person might want to know.
Mr. Natural-Health
Trinkwasser wrote:
> It is not impossible that high carb breakfasts work for some people
> but for a lot they are pretty much poison.
>
> One Size Does Not Fit All
As long as you are insist on talking like a 3rd grader, you are never
going to communicate anything of value to anyone.
Just thought that you might want to take your head out of the sandbox.
Evelyn Ruut
I am posting from alt.support.diabetes
That should explain it for you.
For everybody else, please enjoy your oatmeal.
Cheri
Mr. Natural-Health wrote in message
<1160006681.1...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
"As long as you are insist on talking like a 3rd grader?" Don't you just
hate when that happens? LOL
--
Cheri
Mr. Natural-Health
Hello? Anybody home in that very thick head of yours.
Whole-Grains have been proven to prevent diabetes, to help cure
Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diatetes, as well as help manage
diabetes.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
Evelyn Ruut
"Mr. Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1160012690.2...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps you ought to be asking each individual diabetic exactly what their
blood glucose readings are one hour after eating a high carbohydrate
breakfast, and at two hours also.
Some can eat oatmeal and some can't. We are always advised to "eat to
your meter" and that goes for whole grains as well. I can see that you are
the same rude and abusive idiot I spoke to a few years ago. No more
replies to you. This is a support group.
Plonk.
Mr. Natural-Health
Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?
The research indiciates that whole-grains can be successfully used to
managed full blown diabetes. Got that?
Therefore, if a given diabetic has problems with oatmeal. It is
totally acceptable to asked some detail adult level questions. There
is absolutely nothing rude about it. The problem happems to be YOU.
You are the person who has a mental breakdown everytime somebody asks a
simple rational question.
And, I will repeat it yet again. One of the very possible varibles as
to why a given diabetic might be having problems with oatmeal is
a)method of food preparation and b)method of cooking.
If you are anti-social, or a mental case, which you apparently are.
Then Do NOT add smn to the thread, MORON.
I live in smn. You already know this. So, YOU own the problem. :)
Cheers ...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
> The topic of this thread is nutrition.
Correct.
> Just thought that the mentally ill person might want to know.
Roger Zoul does not appear to be mentally ill.
Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
suffering from delusions of grandeur.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor John whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Mr. Natural-Health
Oh! Is that a threat?
Okay. Since you want to be cute. I will file a complaint with whoever
is licensing you to practice medicine. Becuase you are obviously
mentally unfit to come near any patient, IMHO.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No. An observation.
> Okay. Since you want to be cute. I will file a complaint with whoever
> is licensing you to practice medicine.
Sorry my observation bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Becuase you are obviously mentally unfit to come near any patient, IMHO.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep you heart beating, dear neighbor John whom I
Mr. Natural-Health
> > >> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> > >> >
> > >> > So, the question that I come up with is why do some people have
> > >> > problems with oatmeal? Method of cooking and food preparation comes to
> > >> > my mind.
> > >
> > > Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diatetes, as well as help manage
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> >
> to why a given diabetic might be having problems with oatmeal is
> a)method of food preparation and b)method of cooking.
Other variables totally under control of the diabetic would be: Body
Weight or BMI, and Amount of Regular Physical Exercise.
Obese diabetics, and those who do not exercise regularly, might be more
adversely affected by oatmeal than those of normal weight.
Mr. Natural-Health
> > >> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> > >> >
> > >> > So, the question that I come up with is why do some people have
> > >> > problems with oatmeal? Method of cooking and food preparation comes to
> > >> > my mind.
> > >
> > > Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diatetes, as well as help manage
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> >
> to why a given diabetic might be having problems with oatmeal is
> a)method of food preparation and b)method of cooking.
Other variables totally under control of the diabetic would be: Body
Mr. Natural-Health
> > >> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> > >> >
> > >> > So, the question that I come up with is why do some people have
> > >> > problems with oatmeal? Method of cooking and food preparation comes to
> > >> > my mind.
> > >
> > > Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diatetes, as well as help manage
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> >
> to why a given diabetic might be having problems with oatmeal is
> a)method of food preparation and b)method of cooking.
Other variables totally under control of the diabetic would be: Body
Mr. Natural-Health
> > >> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> > >> >
> > >> > So, the question that I come up with is why do some people have
> > >> > problems with oatmeal? Method of cooking and food preparation comes to
> > >> > my mind.
> > >
> > > Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diatetes, as well as help manage
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
> > > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> >
> to why a given diabetic might be having problems with oatmeal is
> a)method of food preparation and b)method of cooking.
Other variables totally under control of the diabetic would be: Body
Trinkwasser
<spamshantigirio...@gmail.com> wrote:
<grins>
there's a first
IMNSHO a lot of these "studies" start with the asumption of a uniform
or bell curve population.
It's my belief that Type 2 diabetes (including the MODY types)
probably consists of several overlapping diseases caused by different
genes, and the populations that inherit one or more of these genes
will have a predisposition to diabetes if they overcarb themselves.
What would be really really good would be for some dietary studies
looking at the effects of different diets on these different
populations.
Maybe lotsa oats is good for 70% of the population but not for the
other 30%
Juhana Harju
: On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:01:53 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
I agree. Also it might be possible that some dietary deficiency or excess
makes some of these susceptible individuals prone to diabetes if they eat a
lot of carbs (e.g. vitamin D deficiency could be one underlying factor as
vitamin D has been shown to improve insulin sensitivity). Who knows.
--
Juhana
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
>suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Now THAT was funny!
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Gratefully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspertame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2006. All rights reserved.
Mr. Natural-Health
diabetes, to help cure Syndrom-X, pre-diabetes or borderline diabetes,
as well as help manage diabetes.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/home/healthy-living.html
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
Some of the possible varibles as to why a given diabetic might be
having problems with oatmeal are:
a)method of food preparation
b)method of cooking.
c)body weight or BMI, and
d)amount of regular physical exercise.
Obese diabetics, and those who do not exercise regularly, might be more
adversely affected by oatmeal than those of normal weight and who are
physically fit.
Thanks for the compliment. :)
No, I am NOT a physician. I just like to communicate like an adult.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
> >suffering from delusions of grandeur.
>
> Now THAT was funny!
Only the lost would laugh at others who are lost.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> >Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
>> >suffering from delusions of grandeur.
>> Now THAT was funny!
>
>Only the lost would laugh at others who are lost.
Now Mr. Chung, you aren't lost. You are just a lonely kid who tries
to get the attention he needs by pretending to be a doctor and
trolling on Usenet.
>May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
>neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
>
May your common sense heal your mind by curing your loneliness, dear
quack Mr. Chung whom I laugh at unceasingly.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
> >> >suffering from delusions of grandeur.
> >> Now THAT was funny!
> >
> >Only the lost would laugh at others who are lost.
>
> Now Mr. Chung, you aren't lost.
Correct.
However, John is lost as evident in his predilection to name-calling,
which you share with him.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>However, John is lost as evident in his predilection to name-calling,
>which you share with him.
Your pretending to be a physician, however, suggests that you are
suffering from delusions of grandeur.
--
W. Baker
: Ros wrote:
: > I've been eating the 'real' porridge, cooked for ten minutes on the top
: > plate. Have had banana with it, but don't think it has any fat in it -
: > maybe protein? Will have to look that up.
: Well, you do not have to restrict your diet to just porridge in the
: morning.
: I eat hot old fashion rolled oat oatmeal cooked in the microwave for 60
: seconds. Could be that you are over cooking it.
: Prior, to eating the oatmeal I drink a banana shake made from plain
: water, one ripe peeled banana, and one scoop of whey protein powder.
: I do not experience any hunger problems.
If you were diabetic, tht would, most likely send you to very high bg
spike territory. 1/2 banana is usually more that we can manage and keep
teh bgs in line. Some can handle undercooked, or overcooked oatmeal and
most can't. When I was able to walk decently, I could handle the oatmeal
if I walked a mile after breakfast. without the wlak I hav eha dto give
it up. The banana would be out of the question.
Wendy
Gantlet
"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:eg98n2$8nn$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> If you were diabetic, tht would, most likely send you to very high bg
> spike territory. 1/2 banana is usually more that we can manage and keep
> teh bgs in line.
wrong. it is totaly a YMMV thing you have no way of knowing what most can
do.
Some can handle undercooked, or overcooked oatmeal and
> most can't. When I was able to walk decently, I could handle the oatmeal
> if I walked a mile after breakfast.
or you could just be more active during the day and more healthy.
> without the wlak I hav eha dto give
> it up.
lost me here.
>The banana would be out of the question.
>
> Wendy
sorry to hear that. i love banana and now can handle it very easy.
Chris Malcolm
> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:eg98n2$8nn$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>> If you were diabetic, tht would, most likely send you to very high bg
>> spike territory. 1/2 banana is usually more that we can manage and keep
>> teh bgs in line.
> wrong. it is totaly a YMMV thing you have no way of knowing what most can
> do.
Well, maybe not most, but many have posted their difficulties with
bananas to this newsgroup.
> i love banana and now can handle it very easy.
What's "very easy"? What's your one hour post-banana BG reading?
--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Mr. Natural-Health
>
> > "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:eg98n2$8nn$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>
> >> If you were diabetic, tht would, most likely send you to very high bg
> >> spike territory. 1/2 banana is usually more that we can manage and keep
> >> teh bgs in line.
>
> > wrong. it is totaly a YMMV thing you have no way of knowing what most can
> > do.
>
> Well, maybe not most, but many have posted their difficulties with
> bananas to this newsgroup.
I did NOT say that I drank a banana each morining. I wrote banana + a
scoop of high protein powder, as in PROTEIN.
Add real milk, and you got real fat. ADD, more protein powder and you
got MORE protein than banana.
Trinkwasser
wrote:
>sorry to hear that. i love banana and now can handle it very easy.
>
But do you eat it as well?
Dusty
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
> : In alt.support.diabetes Ros <mo...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> :
> :: Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> ::: Personally, I just love eating hot oatmeal in the morning. Nobody
> ::: forces me to do so. It is a basic staple that I couldn't live
> ::: without eating. And, I eat it both with or without sugar. If
> ::: anything it causes me NOT to have a sugar rush in the morning.
> :::
> ::: Of course, I do know how to cook it. :)
> :
> :: I usually cook three lots at once and put two in the fridge because
> :: it takes so long to cook and makes a mess of the saucepan (hate
> :: washing up too). I don't use sugar either.
> :
> :: Maybe I'll cook for just 5 minutes next time as I really don't want
> :: to give it up as *they* say it is good for us.
> :
> : It *is* very good for us. That's why it's such a shame so many of us
> : can't eat because it also happens, for other reasons, to be so bad for
> : some of us as well as so good. Other reasons? A damagingly high BG
> : spike after eating it, especially if eaten for breakfast.
> :
> : It was actually my BG response to morning oats (in the form of muesli)
> : which caused me to get diagnosed in the first place.
>
> whole grains is actually associated with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes.
>
> associated with a 15 percent reduction in risk for the insulin resistance
> syndrome.”
>
> http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3009715
>
A reduction in risk is a nonsense statement. It also refers to someone
in whom insulin resistance does not yet exist.
A rist of this nature can hardly be quantified, however much you juggle
the statistics.
Can you not comprehend that sugar and STARCH are lethal to certain
people? Diabetics would be a whole lot better off with a zero starch
diet and lower (perhaps no) meds.
Can't you just dance off into the sunset with your whole grain
starchiness and be happy that you have them without trying to foist them
off on people for whom starches are poison? Get the mud out of your EARS
and listen to what live humans with real (bad grain) experiences are
telling you?
Juhana Harju
I guess you have not read my later messages in this thread.
--
Juhana