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Michael Ejercito
Mar 26, 2023, 9:17:18 PM3/26/23
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
would lead to mixed messaging
Ian Sample Science editor
@iansample
Fri 24 Mar 2023 14.56 EDT
The government’s chief scientist warned a former incumbent not to
confuse the public during the Covid pandemic by naming an independent
expert panel after the group convened to advise ministers on the crisis.
Sir Patrick Vallance revealed the clash in an interview at the Institute
for Government on Friday, where he also said he would have told the
former prime minister Boris Johnson that the Covid rules were meant to
be followed by all.
Vallance chaired the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, or Sage,
throughout the pandemic and fed assessments from the expert committee
back to the prime minister and the rest of government.
In response to initial secrecy around Sage’s meetings and membership,
Sir David King, who was the government’s chief scientist a decade
earlier, created Independent Sage, a separate panel of experts that held
its meetings in public.
Speaking at the event, Vallance said King called early in the crisis and
declared his intention to set up the parallel group because of concerns
around Sage’s lack of transparency. “I did ask him not to call it Sage,
because I think that was very confusing,” Vallance said. “I think it’s a
pity that that happened.”
At the time, several senior scientists criticised King for the move and
warned that calling the group “Independent Sage” risked undermining
Britain’s pandemic response and muddying the waters around crucial
public health messages.
Sage’s membership was kept secret at the start of the pandemic, along
with data and research papers the group discussed, and minutes of the
meetings. Following an outcry over the lack of transparency, the
committee became more open, publishing the names of members who were
happy to be identified and releasing documents, though often several
weeks after the event.
The delay in releasing documents led to widespread alarm in October 2020
when it emerged that Sage had warned ministers three weeks earlier that
the country faced a “very large epidemic with catastrophic consequences”
unless it took immediate action by imposing a “circuit breaker”
lockdown. Instead, Boris Johnson introduced a three-tier Covid alert system.
Vallance, who steps down as chief scientific adviser next Friday, said
that while government departments had “very good” science advisers, the
civil service has lagged behind. When he took up the post in 2018, only
10% of entrants to the civil service fast stream held a science,
technology, engineering or maths degree. A target has since been set to
achieve 50%, he said.
Asked if the government’s chief scientist could ever be an artificial
intelligence, Vallance admitted that he had asked ChatGPT to write a
letter for the prime minister on a scientific issue to see what it would
churn out. “The concept was a bit ropey, but the structure was quite
good,” he said.
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On the advice he would have given Johnson over the events that led to
his grilling by the House of Commons’s privileges committee this week
over Partygate, Vallance added: “I’ve been pretty clear: the advice was
there for everybody and everybody should follow it.”
Dr Stephen Griffin, a co-chair of Independent Sage, said the group was
set up in the early stages of the pandemic because the attendance and
disclosure around Sage meetings was obscured. “It was in no way intended
to be in opposition to Sage, and never has been – much of our work has
been based upon, or in agreement with, recommendations later released in
Sage minutes, plus several of our group are Sage members.
“Especially during the early years of the pandemic, Indie Sage certainly
offered both scientific and science policy advice; several of our
members are in fact experts on the latter. Sadly, certain critics
confuse policy with politics, yet to offer scientifically informed
statements on subjects such as supported isolation, or countering
transmission, for example, in schools ought not to be controversial.”
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Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
would lead to mixed messaging
Ian Sample Science editor
@iansample
Fri 24 Mar 2023 14.56 EDT
The government’s chief scientist warned a former incumbent not to
confuse the public during the Covid pandemic by naming an independent
expert panel after the group convened to advise ministers on the crisis.
Sir Patrick Vallance revealed the clash in an interview at the Institute
for Government on Friday, where he also said he would have told the
former prime minister Boris Johnson that the Covid rules were meant to
be followed by all.
Vallance chaired the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, or Sage,
throughout the pandemic and fed assessments from the expert committee
back to the prime minister and the rest of government.
In response to initial secrecy around Sage’s meetings and membership,
Sir David King, who was the government’s chief scientist a decade
earlier, created Independent Sage, a separate panel of experts that held
its meetings in public.
Speaking at the event, Vallance said King called early in the crisis and
declared his intention to set up the parallel group because of concerns
around Sage’s lack of transparency. “I did ask him not to call it Sage,
because I think that was very confusing,” Vallance said. “I think it’s a
pity that that happened.”
At the time, several senior scientists criticised King for the move and
warned that calling the group “Independent Sage” risked undermining
Britain’s pandemic response and muddying the waters around crucial
public health messages.
Sage’s membership was kept secret at the start of the pandemic, along
with data and research papers the group discussed, and minutes of the
meetings. Following an outcry over the lack of transparency, the
committee became more open, publishing the names of members who were
happy to be identified and releasing documents, though often several
weeks after the event.
The delay in releasing documents led to widespread alarm in October 2020
when it emerged that Sage had warned ministers three weeks earlier that
the country faced a “very large epidemic with catastrophic consequences”
unless it took immediate action by imposing a “circuit breaker”
lockdown. Instead, Boris Johnson introduced a three-tier Covid alert system.
Vallance, who steps down as chief scientific adviser next Friday, said
that while government departments had “very good” science advisers, the
civil service has lagged behind. When he took up the post in 2018, only
10% of entrants to the civil service fast stream held a science,
technology, engineering or maths degree. A target has since been set to
achieve 50%, he said.
Asked if the government’s chief scientist could ever be an artificial
intelligence, Vallance admitted that he had asked ChatGPT to write a
letter for the prime minister on a scientific issue to see what it would
churn out. “The concept was a bit ropey, but the structure was quite
good,” he said.
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On the advice he would have given Johnson over the events that led to
his grilling by the House of Commons’s privileges committee this week
over Partygate, Vallance added: “I’ve been pretty clear: the advice was
there for everybody and everybody should follow it.”
Dr Stephen Griffin, a co-chair of Independent Sage, said the group was
set up in the early stages of the pandemic because the attendance and
disclosure around Sage meetings was obscured. “It was in no way intended
to be in opposition to Sage, and never has been – much of our work has
been based upon, or in agreement with, recommendations later released in
Sage minutes, plus several of our group are Sage members.
“Especially during the early years of the pandemic, Indie Sage certainly
offered both scientific and science policy advice; several of our
members are in fact experts on the latter. Sadly, certain critics
confuse policy with politics, yet to offer scientifically informed
statements on subjects such as supported isolation, or countering
transmission, for example, in schools ought not to be controversial.”
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HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 26, 2023, 9:32:56 PM3/26/23
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COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) finding out at any given
moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to
call their doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of
stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the best while
preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations
and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu &
Delta lineage mutations combining via slip-RNA-replication to form
hybrids like http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current
COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Mar 26, 2023, 9:37:49 PM3/26/23
to
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 26, 2023, 10:18:43 PM3/26/23
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Mar 27, 2023, 9:09:21 AM3/27/23
to
On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:37:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
>>
>>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
No shit! ARE you, gook? Have another Happy Meal™ of freshly squeezed
jew diarrhoea!
--
Die Juden sind unser Unglück.
- Heinrich Gotthard Freiherr von Treitschke (1834-1896)
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>
>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>> would lead to mixed messaging
<b'ris>
>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>
>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>> would lead to mixed messaging
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
>>
>>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
jew diarrhoea!
--
Die Juden sind unser Unglück.
- Heinrich Gotthard Freiherr von Treitschke (1834-1896)
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Mar 27, 2023, 9:09:28 AM3/27/23
to
On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:17:03 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>
>Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>would lead to mixed messaging
What POSSIBLE relevance can this have to an illegal Flip like you
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>
>Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>would lead to mixed messaging
infesting Long Beach, California, gook?
If this has caused you some confusion, seek[sic][SIC!!! LOL]
clarification from your lovers Chrissie Morton and Roman the Foreskin
PEELER!
LOL
Michael Ejercito
Mar 27, 2023, 9:17:55 AM3/27/23
to
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:37:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
> <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>
>> HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>>
>>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>>> would lead to mixed messaging
>
> <b'ris>
>
>>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>>
>>> So how are you ?
>>>
>>>
>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>
> No shit! ARE you, gook? Have another Happy Meal™ of freshly squeezed
> jew diarrhoea!
>
There you go again with the diarrhoea!
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:37:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
> <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>
>> HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>>
>>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>>> would lead to mixed messaging
>
> <b'ris>
>
>>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>>
>>> So how are you ?
>>>
>>>
>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>
> No shit! ARE you, gook? Have another Happy Meal™ of freshly squeezed
> jew diarrhoea!
>
Mangina, try being wonderfully hungry. Then you can be rapture ready!
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you
can not measure up.
You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.
You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.
You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
Socialism.
Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you… which is why you choose minor children
as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
consensually sexual way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a
helpless victim, be it a prepubescent boy, or a patient in a mental
hospital.
That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest
about it.
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 27, 2023, 9:29:21 AM3/27/23
to
(Sage) 03/27/23 Again praying w/ Michael here ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/wbjp2UZN-eQ/m/IqQeFtwFAwAJ
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/wbjp2UZN-eQ/m/IqQeFtwFAwAJ
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 27, 2023, 9:31:22 AM3/27/23
to
(Sage) 03/27/23 Again, here it is ..
>> http://tinyurl.com/WanderingSheep
>>
>> "See that you do not despise one of these little ones (who are
>> wonderfully hungry). For I tell you that their angels in Heaven always
>> see the face of My Father in Heaven. What do you think? If a man owns
>> a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away (looking for more food),
>> will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the
>> one that wandered off? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is
>> happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not
>> wander off. In the same way your Father in Heaven is not willing that
>> any of these ( http://WonderfullyHungry.org ) little ones should
>> perish." (Matthew 18:10-14 w/parenthetical clarification)
>>
>> Source:
>> https://www.bible.com/bible/111/MAT.18.10-14.NIV
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones (who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org ); for I say unto you, That in heaven
their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in
heaven. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How
think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone
astray (looking for more food), doth he not leave the ninety and nine,
and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more
of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even
so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of
these (wonderfully hungry) little ones should perish." (Matt 18:10-14
w/parenthetical clarification)
Source:
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/MAT.18.10-14.KJV
>> Here is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) example of one of these wonderfully
>> hungry "little ones" (Matt 18:10-14) who are despised by those who are
>> http://bit.ly/h_angry (Genesis 25:32):
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/AfricaRenee
>>
>> It is written that all of Heaven rejoices when the lost/prodigal find
>> their way back to GOD so that witnessing to them makes us like the 5
>> virgins who are considered wise (Proverbs 11:30) in the parable of the
>> http://tinyurl.com/TenVirgins1737
>>
>> "For we are GOD’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus (
>> http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) to do good (Matthew 19:17) works, which GOD
>> prepared in advance for us to do." (Ephesians 2:10 w/ parenthetical
>> clarification)
>>
>> Source:
>> https://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-10.htm
>>
>> Suggested further reading:
>> http://tinyurl.com/EightTalents
>>
>> So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
>> http://tinyurl.com/ChrINOtrump or else we'll most certainly die a
>> http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
>>
>> Instead, let's http://tinyurl.com/TrulyLove (John 15:12) others as
>> our LORD Jesus truly loves (John 15:13) us.
>>
>> This is **not** what http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew wants but rather
>> what LORD Jesus wants:
>>
>> http://WDJW.net
>>
>> BTW (John 14:6), "what would Jesus have us do" is false teaching
>> because it's past tense and restricted to action (i.e. does **not**
>> include behavior/attitude) while "what does Jesus want" is both
>> present tense **and** all-inclusive.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/WhatDoesJesusWantFor2023
>>
>> Therefore, http://tinyurl.com/BeHungrier , which really is wonderfully
>> http://tinyurl.com/WanderingSheep
>>
>> "See that you do not despise one of these little ones (who are
>> wonderfully hungry). For I tell you that their angels in Heaven always
>> see the face of My Father in Heaven. What do you think? If a man owns
>> a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away (looking for more food),
>> will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the
>> one that wandered off? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is
>> happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not
>> wander off. In the same way your Father in Heaven is not willing that
>> any of these ( http://WonderfullyHungry.org ) little ones should
>> perish." (Matthew 18:10-14 w/parenthetical clarification)
>>
>> Source:
>> https://www.bible.com/bible/111/MAT.18.10-14.NIV
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones (who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org ); for I say unto you, That in heaven
their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in
heaven. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How
think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone
astray (looking for more food), doth he not leave the ninety and nine,
and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more
of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even
so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of
these (wonderfully hungry) little ones should perish." (Matt 18:10-14
w/parenthetical clarification)
Source:
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/MAT.18.10-14.KJV
>> Here is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) example of one of these wonderfully
>> hungry "little ones" (Matt 18:10-14) who are despised by those who are
>> http://bit.ly/h_angry (Genesis 25:32):
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/AfricaRenee
>>
>> It is written that all of Heaven rejoices when the lost/prodigal find
>> their way back to GOD so that witnessing to them makes us like the 5
>> virgins who are considered wise (Proverbs 11:30) in the parable of the
>> http://tinyurl.com/TenVirgins1737
>>
>> "For we are GOD’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus (
>> http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) to do good (Matthew 19:17) works, which GOD
>> prepared in advance for us to do." (Ephesians 2:10 w/ parenthetical
>> clarification)
>>
>> Source:
>> https://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-10.htm
>>
>> Suggested further reading:
>> http://tinyurl.com/EightTalents
>>
>> So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
>> http://tinyurl.com/ChrINOtrump or else we'll most certainly die a
>> http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
>>
>> Instead, let's http://tinyurl.com/TrulyLove (John 15:12) others as
>> our LORD Jesus truly loves (John 15:13) us.
>>
>> This is **not** what http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew wants but rather
>> what LORD Jesus wants:
>>
>> http://WDJW.net
>>
>> BTW (John 14:6), "what would Jesus have us do" is false teaching
>> because it's past tense and restricted to action (i.e. does **not**
>> include behavior/attitude) while "what does Jesus want" is both
>> present tense **and** all-inclusive.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/WhatDoesJesusWantFor2023
>>
>> Therefore, http://tinyurl.com/BeHungrier , which really is wonderfully
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Mar 27, 2023, 9:45:35 AM3/27/23
to
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 06:17:43 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
> Mangina, try being wonderfully hungry. Then you can be rapture ready!
Gook, try giving up freshly squeezed jew diarrhoea for Lent. And you
have been ready for rapture and deportation by the ICE 5-0 for YEARS!
> You are a Nazi.
You are a gook.
> As a Nazi, you are, above all else
As a craven gook who zsuckles jew ani, you are, below all else
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:37:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
>> <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>>>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>>>
>>>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>>>> would lead to mixed messaging
>>
>> <b'ris>
>>
>>>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>>>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>>>
>>>> So how are you ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>>
>> No shit! ARE you, gook? Have another Happy Meal™ of freshly squeezed
>> jew diarrhoea!
>>
> There you go again with the diarrhoea!
There you go again with the anus zsuckling!
>The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:37:50 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
>> <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>>>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/24/sage-warned-independent-sage-name-would-cause-confusion-patrick-vallance-david-king
>>>>>
>>>>> Sage warned Independent Sage its name would cause confusion, says Vallance
>>>>> Chief scientist told former incumbent Sir David King the similarity
>>>>> would lead to mixed messaging
>>
>> <b'ris>
>>
>>>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>>>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>>>
>>>> So how are you ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>>
>> No shit! ARE you, gook? Have another Happy Meal™ of freshly squeezed
>> jew diarrhoea!
>>
> There you go again with the diarrhoea!
> Mangina, try being wonderfully hungry. Then you can be rapture ready!
have been ready for rapture and deportation by the ICE 5-0 for YEARS!
> You are a Nazi.
You are a gook.
> As a Nazi, you are, above all else
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 27, 2023, 9:52:36 AM3/27/23
to
(Sage) 03/27/23 REALIdiot/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
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