Daily Spirit-guided thought for 11/24/07.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
On Nov 24, 7:57 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
Once again easy to compare the VATs of the 2 pound diet with hunger
versus other diets without hunger. That is the way doctors function
today, when Chung was trained as a doctor and for decades before.
The fact that it has not been done by Chung means he knows it is
not true or he has ceased to function as the way he was trained and no
longer practicing medicine in the standard and acceptable way. The
smart person should avoid medically unproven treatments.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/80781ff99d36540b?
>
> Once again easy to compare the VATs of the 2 pound diet with hunger
> versus other diets without hunger.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Suggested reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
> That is the way doctors function
> today, when Chung was trained as a doctor and for decades before.
My shape per LORD Almighty GOD remains as a cardiologist, an expert in
all matters of the heart, including the heart of the soul.
Laus Deo !
> The fact that it has not been done by Chung means he knows it is
> not true or he has ceased to function as the way he was trained and no
> longer practicing medicine in the standard and acceptable way.
More than 625,550 people over a period of more than 5 years have lost
all their harmful VAT by using the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/2PD-OMER
> The smart person should avoid medically unproven treatments.
It would then logically follow that all folks who are dieting are not
as intelligent as those using the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less...
... especially in light of the recently doubling of its guarantee to US
$2,000,000.00:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
More than 625,550 people over a period of more than 5 years have lost
all their harmful VAT by using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Chung -
You just recently started to call if an approach and not a diet -
whatever you call it, diet or approach, it is no different from other
diets or approaches that reduce calories and/or portion sizes.
Should be very easy to compare the loss of VAT in your approach/diet
with hunger versus all the other approaches/diets. It is hard to
imagine, with an MD, that you do not understand the way medical
science works and with a PhD you should know how to do it and
understand the scientific method. A simple study reviewed by other
doctors and published in a major medical journal, not a self-published
$10 booklet, would do far more in advancing your approach/diet than
what you are currently doing
You are not doing that and so the MD and PhD after your name are
misleading.
Who is JasondocMD?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Chung -
>
> You just recently started to call if an approach and not a diet -
Incorrect:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77f7e3996d700427?
Bottom line:
You are pathologically untruthful.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You remind me of our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
His inauspicious demise fulfilled Spirit-guided prophecy:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
You don't have much longer, either:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD
May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
J666
The title of what you quote says diet. Call it whatever you want, but
it is a diet.
All diets, even those whose purpose is to gain weight, can be called
an approach - whether it is calorie and/or portion restriction and
exercise. Using a fancy term does not change that it is basically a
diet without any medical evidence.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Two Pound Diet **Approach** Update" -title of page you cited.
**emphasis** added.
> The title of what you quote says diet.
The word **Approach** can not be ignored:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
convicted neighbor JasonDocMD (J666), otolaryngologist, wrote:
"You are "pathologically untruthful."
--------------
And you are "pathologically untruthful" in referring to me as Josh.
Will be interesting to see if the Holy Spirit lists you on your web
page.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> And you are "pathologically untruthful" in referring to me as Josh.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
One of us is untruthful.
Those with discerning hearts know who are untruthful.
May we, who are truthful, continue to pray for you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/JasonDocMD
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
"Those with discerning hearts know who are untruthful."
No, it is those with a functioning brain who will figure out who is
truthful.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> "Those with discerning hearts know who are untruthful." -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
>
> No, it is those with a functioning brain who will figure out who is
> truthful.
Incorrect.
Roman Governor Pontius Pilate had a functioning brain and yet was
unable to figure out who was truthful.
"What is the truth?" -- Governor Pontius Pilate (John 18:38)
May we, who are the Holy Spirit, Who is the Spirit of Truth, continue
crinoidgirl
> More than 625,550 people over a period of more than 5 years have lost
> all their harmful VAT by using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
at it?
V
Cary Kittrell
If you ask nicely, Andrew will cheerfully provide links to sites which
will not answer your question at all.
-- cary
Zen Cohen
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:fif3oo$1g9$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Or that will leave any sane person scratching his head. Didn't he arrive at
his 2-lb 'approach' by way of a biblical passage with 16:16 (thus 32 ozs.)
in it?
Cary Kittrell
It gets better: Biblical scholars think that the "omer" was a measure of
volume, and not of weight. Here's a typical definition, this one
from the OED:
1. In ancient Israel: a dry measure equal to a tenth of an ephah
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
> at it?
Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
Don Kirkman
<474b3bad$0$16532$4c36...@roadrunner.com>:
No, that was a late add-0n when he began adding numerology to his
arsenal. AFAICR the chronology was: alpine climbers' provisions (Imax
movie), supposed population and duration of the Hebrews' wandering in
the wilderness eating manna (but ignoring quails and other available
food), determining the omer (a dry measure, less than a gallon) to be
the "optimal" amount and proclaiming it to be two pounds, noticing that
the key verse was 16.16, discerned relationship between VAT and diabetes
and amount (not nutritional value) of food, $1,000,000 guarantee that
the diet works, and, today, apparently raising the pot to 2.0 million.
--
Don Kirkman
Don Kirkman
article
<9143e68d-1cff-47b9...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
>neighbor crinoidgirl wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/28799600d0646104?
>> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
>> at it?
>Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
>workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
>the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
(many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
days and nights and work days and holidays. Or does that automatic
enumeration eliminate the need for each individual to sign in? :-)
I assume your HMDPD counter is equally accurate.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >neighbor crinoidgirl wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/28799600d0646104?
>
> >> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
> >> at it?
>
> >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
> >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
> >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
>
> You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
> (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
> hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
> days and nights and work days and holidays.
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
You do not have long, dear Don:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your troubled
soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/DonKirkman
Cary Kittrell
You, sir, are clearly a scholar.
(and we already knew that you are a gentleman)
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >neighbor crinoidgirl wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/28799600d0646104?
> >
> > >> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
> > >> at it?
> >
> > >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
> > >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
> > >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
> >
> > You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
> > (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
> > hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
> > days and nights and work days and holidays.
>
> "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> Amen.
>
> You do not have long, dear Don:
Given Andrew's track record, dear Don, you may cancel your
life insurance policies -- you're immortal.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >neighbor crinoidgirl wrote:
> > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/28799600d0646104?
> > >
> > > >> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
> > > >> at it?
> > >
> > > >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
> > > >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
> > > >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
> > >
> > > You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
> > > (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
> > > hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
> > > days and nights and work days and holidays.
> >
> > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
> >
> > Amen.
> >
> > You do not have long, dear Don:
> >
>
> Given Andrew's track record, dear Don, you may cancel your
> life insurance policies -- you're immortal.
Only if you consider our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio to be
immortal:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
You really do not have much time left either, dear Cary.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your troubled
soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
You do not have long, dear Don:
Fear not Don, Chung was convicted years ago and so his list is not
true. He just does not yet he realize that he was convicted - sort of
like a lost soul
crinoidgirl
> In article <3487125e-6e76-446f-976a-a192b917b...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> crinoidgirl <virginialsm...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > <snippy>
> > > More than 625,550 people over a period of more than 5 years have lost
> > > all their harmful VAT by using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> > ></snippy>
>
> > This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
> > at it?
>
> If you ask nicely, Andrew will cheerfully provide links to sites which
> will not answer your question at all.
>
> -- cary
I wasn't expecting a truthful or scientifically valid answer, and I
didn't get it.
It was more like a rhetorical question. :)
V
Cary Kittrell
"Crinoid girl"?
Hey, my boyhood house in Cincinnati was pretty much built on crinoids.
And small shelly fauna of various types. Ordovidian limeston, the
Cincinnatian Series.
That kind of "crinoid"?
-- cary
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >neighbor crinoidgirl wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/28799600d0646104?
>> >> This is a huge number. I find it hard to believe. How do you arrive
>> >> at it?
>> >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
>> >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
>> >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
>> You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
>> (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
>> hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
>> days and nights and work days and holidays.
>"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
>-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Context: Jesus and the disciples were discussing how one could **enter
the Kingdom of Heaven**. Reacting to something Jesus said, the
disciples asked "Who then can be saved." ***"With men this is
impossible, but with God all things are possible."***
Not a word about everything being possible in a world of physical laws,
quantum mechanics, horrible physical calamities like typhoons and
earthquakes. And not a word about a horde of people being able to sign
on to a phantom Web counter by squeezing their posts through the
Internet at a rate faster than is physically possible. But nearly all
of us knew that already.
>You do not have long, dear Don:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
A couple of points:
First, anything about Bob Pastorio does not apply to me; we are/were
separate individuals following our own consciences and trying to bring
some sanity to the discussions you thrust into these groups. And your
inane "prophesies" apply to nobody at all. His death certainly had no
relationship to anything you may have fantasized.
Second, you have no power of prophecy, indeed no idea of the meaning of
prophecy in the Biblical culture. Nobody has made you God's surrogate
to determine the fate of mankind at large or individually. Take care for
your own soul and let God take care of the others.
--
Don Kirkman
Zen Cohen
"Don Kirkman" <don...@wavecable.com> wrote in message
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
>>You do not have long, dear Don:
>>
>>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
>
> A couple of points:
>
> First, anything about Bob Pastorio does not apply to me; we are/were
> separate individuals following our own consciences and trying to bring
> some sanity to the discussions you thrust into these groups. And your
> inane "prophesies" apply to nobody at all. His death certainly had no
> relationship to anything you may have fantasized.
>
> Second, you have no power of prophecy, indeed no idea of the meaning of
> prophecy in the Biblical culture. Nobody has made you God's surrogate
> to determine the fate of mankind at large or individually. Take care for
> your own soul and let God take care of the others.
Very nicely said, Don. Of course, it will fall on deaf ears.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The discerning know that with LORD Almighty GOD, "all" here in this
Scriptural verse (Matthew 19:26) means "everything" in every context.
It is the untruthful, such as yourself, who would attempt to limit
GOD's infinite power and might.
"Is MY arm too short?" -- LORD Almighty GOD
It is the discerning who are able to answer this question correctly
with "never."
> >You do not have long, dear Don:
> >
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
>
> A couple of points:
>
> First, anything about Bob Pastorio does not apply to me; we are/were
> separate individuals following our own consciences and trying to bring
> some sanity to the discussions you thrust into these groups.
The Holy Spirit has guided me to write that those who unwisely choose
to take the direction that our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
had taken are to be warned in the same manner...
... and so you will continue to be warned:
"You do not have long, dear Don."
> And your inane "prophesies" apply to nobody at all.
Bob was not a nobody nor are you. His inauspicious death is
irrefutable and continues to serve as a signpost from GOD to warn you
and others of the errors of Bob's ways:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
> His death certainly had no relationship to anything you may have fantasized.
His inauspicious death of metastatic cancer of "unknown origin" on
Fool's day is reality and not fantasy. You will not "wake up" from
this.
LORD Almighty GOD remains the Author of all reality including this
one:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
> Second, you have no power of prophecy, indeed no idea of the meaning of
> prophecy in the Biblical culture.
Prophecy is not a power but rather the description of a future event.
Such description is made possible by foreknowledge from GOD, Who is
the Source of all such knowledge.
> Nobody has made you God's surrogate
> to determine the fate of mankind at large or individually.
No such thing as fate when all that is ascribed to fate submits to
GOD's infinite will:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
> Take care for your own soul and let God take care of the others.
GOD's will be done and not my will.
HIS purpose for me here remains to inform and so you have been
informed.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:
tr...@is-best.com
"Bob was not a nobody nor are you. His inauspicious death is
irrefutable and continues to serve as a signpost from GOD to warn you
and others of the errors of Bob's ways:"
Oh he died alright, the simple truth is that you had absolutely nothing
even indirectly to do with it. This includes predicting it beyond the
obvious that all will die as the normal course of things.
"Chi" is a false empty teaching with no power to do anything. Scripture
tells us not to meddle in pagan teachings and practices, such as is
"chi".
vanity of vanities; all is vanity. Ecclesiastes 1:2
God bless and heal.
yama...@aol.com
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don, These ideas of reference that Chung has are classic schizophrenic
traits. The delusional belief that his thoughts somehow controlled
outside events. It's disgusting how he continually mentions Bob
Pastorio in this context, but just shows how far gone Chung is. I
remember during my medical training and psych rotation there were two
seperate, minor disasters in the area, a small earthquake and a
railroad bridge collapse. No one was killed or injured, just some
property damage. But some of my schizophrenic patients decompensated
and requested urgent meetings with me. "Doc, I'm sorry, I did
something bad...I was responsible for the earthquake..."
Another characteristic of schizophrenia is concrete thinking,
inability to grasp word play or metaphors. (Hey Chung...why is Zen
Cohen's name clever?)
Another characteristic is the fixed ideation and repetitive phrases.
Grandiosity is also one. (Hmm...the "unprecedented offer is now 2
million, no longer 1 million dollars) plus Behold in wide eyed
amazement that Andrew claims to have sold the domain www.emorycardiology.com.
One can contact his publicist per his own website's press release
(written, of course by Andrew himself). He still remains "lawful
steward." Apparently this sale of the domain name allowed him to
increase the offer from 1-2 million. Apparently this sale took place
sometime last week.
One never sees schizophrenics claiming to be the owner of a
laundramat. They are always Jesus or Mary or Queen Elizabeth or some
other grandiose figure from history.
Schizophrenics believe that they get special, privileged messages from
sources that normal people can't perceive. These messages may be
discerned from patterns of leaves or found in idiosyncratic
interpretations of standard bible passages, or messages on a dollar
bill, or via television announcers speaking in a code just for them.
They then claim the authority to misrepresent these messages as truth
that was unfolded to only them, as the special messenger for the rest
of mankind.
Google "Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc" My my...looks familiar. Why,
behold in slack jawed stupor! their phone number is Andrew's
publicist's phone number and Andrew's office phone number and
Andrew's answering service number and happens to be the phone number
of a residential house in Mableton, Georgia registered to....Andrew!
Unfortunately, as schizophrenia progresses intelligence deteriorates
as does ability to function normally in daily life, keep relationships
together, maintain steady employment...
MU
> Don, These ideas of reference that Chung has are classic schizophrenic
> traits.
I missed your medical degree again.
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
How tedious it gets trying to see even a glimmer of rationality and
comprehension in what you write these day.
>> >> >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
>> >> >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
>> >> >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
>> >> You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
>> >> (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
>> >> hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
>> >> days and nights and work days and holidays.
>> >"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
>> >-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>> Context: Jesus and the disciples were discussing how one could **enter
>> the Kingdom of Heaven**. Reacting to something Jesus said, the
>> disciples asked "Who then can be saved." ***"With men this is
>> impossible, but with God all things are possible."***
>> Not a word about everything being possible in a world of physical laws,
>> quantum mechanics, horrible physical calamities like typhoons and
>> earthquakes. And not a word about a horde of people being able to sign
>> on to a phantom Web counter by squeezing their posts through the
>> Internet at a rate faster than is physically possible. But nearly all
>> of us knew that already.
>The discerning know that with LORD Almighty GOD, "all" here in this
>Scriptural verse (Matthew 19:26) means "everything" in every context.
>It is the untruthful, such as yourself, who would attempt to limit
>GOD's infinite power and might.
Discernment is another of your false beliefs.
>"Is MY arm too short?" -- LORD Almighty GOD
No, it's YOUR arm and mind and common sense that fall far too short.
>> >You do not have long, dear Don:
>> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
>> A couple of points:
>> First, anything about Bob Pastorio does not apply to me; we are/were
>> separate individuals following our own consciences and trying to bring
>> some sanity to the discussions you thrust into these groups.
>The Holy Spirit has guided me to write that those who unwisely choose
>to take the direction that our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
>had taken are to be warned in the same manner...
You wouldn't know the Holy Spirit (and might be horribly surprised) if
it really began trying to guide you.
>... and so you will continue to be warned:
>"You do not have long, dear Don."
>> And your inane "prophesies" apply to nobody at all.
>Bob was not a nobody nor are you. His inauspicious death is
>irrefutable and continues to serve as a signpost from GOD to warn you
>and others of the errors of Bob's ways:
Another non sequitur feigning misunderstanding of what has been written.
>
>> His death certainly had no relationship to anything you may have fantasized.
>His inauspicious death of metastatic cancer of "unknown origin" on
>Fool's day is reality and not fantasy. You will not "wake up" from
>this.
As a doctor you probably knew at one time that there are still many
cancers of unknown origin. And April Fool's day is real--a day of make
believe and playing irrelevant tricks on people. It has nothing to do
with God, religion, or real life.
>> Second, you have no power of prophecy, indeed no idea of the meaning of
>> prophecy in the Biblical culture.
>Prophecy is not a power but rather the description of a future event.
You obviously haven't read the Bible. The prophets were men sent by God
to confront those in power, whether Hebrew/Jew or not, to repent of
their behavior and seek God and his kingdom. The Scriptures you rely
on, to the extent there's still any of that reliance in your mind, are
apocalypse, not prophesy--a highly symbolic style intended to hide the
message from the uninitiated while sometimes warning, sometimes
encouraging, the intended audience. The future you rely on so much is
symbolic and allegorical.
>Such description is made possible by foreknowledge from GOD, Who is
>the Source of all such knowledge.
Since such description is not what prophesy is about, we can ignore that
thesis. And God's "foreknowledge" is his, not mankind's--not any man's.
>> Nobody has made you God's surrogate
>> to determine the fate of mankind at large or individually.
>No such thing as fate when all that is ascribed to fate submits to
>GOD's infinite will:
Yet your whole belief system is rife with allusions to, threats of,
promises about, mankind's fate.
>> Take care for your own soul and let God take care of the others.
>GOD's will be done and not my will.
Then you'd better start searching for God's will instead of willy-nilly
doing whatever you wish. :-)
>HIS purpose for me here remains to inform and so you have been
>informed.
No, receiving information implies receiving facts and evidence. You
scrupulously avoid providing any.
--
Don Kirkman
tr...@is-best.com
> traits.
"I missed your medical degree again."
Some months ago when you returned to this newsgroup you too were taken
aback by what you saw, it was during the time of the "fast". You tried
gently to steer the discussion back to some level less awkward but soon
realized the level of decompensation was so strong as to make that
impossible. You did not need a medical degree to understand what was
happening. The friend you knew previously was now in a very different
place and the changes too obvious to ignore.
yama...@aol.com
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:07:51 -0800 (PST), yamant...@aol.com wrote:
> > Don, These ideas of reference that Chung has are classic schizophrenic
> > traits.
>
> I missed your medical degree again.
I'm not surprised you missed my medical degree...again... There's a
lot you miss, MU
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> How tedious it gets trying to see even a glimmer of rationality and
> comprehension in what you write these day.
Feigning is tedious.
> >> >> >Thankfully, the database we are using resides on a computer
> >> >> >workstation and automatically enumerates just as the web counter for
> >> >> >the HeartMDPhD.com web site automatically enumerates.
>
> >> >> You must have a T1 line with a Cray on the end of it; 625,550 people
> >> >> (many of whom were probably not computer literate) divided by the 43,800
> >> >> hours in five years seems to work out to about 14 sign-ons per hour,
> >> >> days and nights and work days and holidays.
>
> >> >"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> >> >-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> >> Context: Jesus and the disciples were discussing how one could **enter
> >> the Kingdom of Heaven**. Reacting to something Jesus said, the
> >> disciples asked "Who then can be saved." ***"With men this is
> >> impossible, but with God all things are possible."***
>
> >> Not a word about everything being possible in a world of physical laws,
> >> quantum mechanics, horrible physical calamities like typhoons and
> >> earthquakes. And not a word about a horde of people being able to sign
> >> on to a phantom Web counter by squeezing their posts through the
> >> Internet at a rate faster than is physically possible. But nearly all
> >> of us knew that already.
>
> >The discerning know that with LORD Almighty GOD, "all" here in this
> >Scriptural verse (Matthew 19:26) means "everything" in every context.
> >It is the untruthful, such as yourself, who would attempt to limit
> >GOD's infinite power and might.
>
> Discernment is another of your false beliefs.
It remains a spiritual gift from GOD rather than a belief.
> >"Is MY arm too short?" -- LORD Almighty GOD
>
> No, it's YOUR arm and mind and common sense that fall far too short.
Such is the expected answer from the undiscerning such as you.
> >> >You do not have long, dear Don:
>
> >> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
>
> >> A couple of points:
>
> >> First, anything about Bob Pastorio does not apply to me; we are/were
> >> separate individuals following our own consciences and trying to bring
> >> some sanity to the discussions you thrust into these groups.
>
> >The Holy Spirit has guided me to write that those who unwisely choose
> >to take the direction that our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
> >had taken are to be warned in the same manner...
>
> You wouldn't know the Holy Spirit (and might be horribly surprised) if
> it really began trying to guide you.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >... and so you will continue to be warned:
>
> >"You do not have long, dear Don."
>
> >> And your inane "prophesies" apply to nobody at all.
>
> >Bob was not a nobody nor are you. His inauspicious death is
> >irrefutable and continues to serve as a signpost from GOD to warn you
> >and others of the errors of Bob's ways:
>
> Another non sequitur feigning misunderstanding of what has been written.
Without the LORD, your opinions are also meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >> His death certainly had no relationship to anything you may have fantasized.
>
> >His inauspicious death of metastatic cancer of "unknown origin" on
> >Fool's day is reality and not fantasy. You will not "wake up" from
> >this.
>
> As a doctor you probably knew at one time that there are still many
> cancers of unknown origin.
Actually, in most instances, the origin of the metastatic cancer is
known.
> And April Fool's day is real--a day of make
> believe and playing irrelevant tricks on people. It has nothing to do
> with God, religion, or real life.
"One of the earliest connections of the day with fools is Chaucer's
story the Nun's Priest's Tale (c.1400), which concerns two fools and
takes place "thritty dayes and two" from the beginning of March, which
is April 1. The significance of this is difficult to determine."
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fool's_Day
> >> Second, you have no power of prophecy, indeed no idea of the meaning of
> >> prophecy in the Biblical culture.
>
> >Prophecy is not a power but rather the description of a future event.
>
> You obviously haven't read the Bible.
Yours would be a conclusion reached using your less than fanciful
imagination.
> The prophets were men sent by God
> to confront those in power, whether Hebrew/Jew or not, to repent of
> their behavior and seek God and his kingdom.
Their power did not come from their prophecies but from GOD.
> The Scriptures you rely
> on, to the extent there's still any of that reliance in your mind, are
> apocalypse, not prophesy--a highly symbolic style intended to hide the
> message from the uninitiated while sometimes warning, sometimes
> encouraging, the intended audience. The future you rely on so much is
> symbolic and allegorical.
"Ever seeing but never perceiving" remains an apt description of you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
> >Such description is made possible by foreknowledge from GOD, Who is
> >the Source of all such knowledge.
>
> Since such description is not what prophesy is about, we can ignore that
> thesis.
The discerning won't ignore the truth.
> And God's "foreknowledge" is his, not mankind's--not any man's.
GOD gives HIS foreknowledge to HIS prophets and whomoever else HE may
choose.
> >> Nobody has made you God's surrogate
> >> to determine the fate of mankind at large or individually.
>
> >No such thing as fate when all that is ascribed to fate submits to
> >GOD's infinite will:
>
> Yet your whole belief system is rife with allusions to, threats of,
> promises about, mankind's fate.
Not to the discerning.
> >> Take care for your own soul and let God take care of the others.
>
> >GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
> Then you'd better start searching for God's will instead of willy-nilly
> doing whatever you wish. :-)
In the Holy Spirit, I know GOD's perfect and infinite will.
"These who do the will of MY Father are My brethren." -- LORD Jesus
Christ.
Amen.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your endangered
soul:
MU
I have no idea what you are talking about so why hot restart that supposed
issue and let's have at it.
Hm?
MU
I agree.
Now, about your medical degree, uptime me on it.
Thanks.
Archie Leach
>> And God's "foreknowledge" is his, not mankind's--not any man's.
>
>GOD gives HIS foreknowledge to HIS prophets and whomoever else HE may
>choose.
God certainly does that.
So are you one of His Prophets, Jesus the Chung?
Or are you just merely one of His "Informers"?
MU
Are you, Archie Leach, one of the truly interested or truly hypocritical in
asking?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >>> And God's "foreknowledge" is his, not mankind's--not any man's.
> >>
> >>GOD gives HIS foreknowledge to HIS prophets and whomoever else HE may
> >>choose.
> >
> > God certainly does that.
> >
> > So are you one of His Prophets, Jesus the Chung?
> >
> > Or are you just merely one of His "Informers"?
>
> Are you, Archie Leach, one of the truly interested or truly hypocritical in
> asking?
It is simply a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) since unwisely choosing to
blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Such is the sad state of the
eternally condemned.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Archie Leach
"Jesus The Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>sockpuppet MU wrote:
>> Archie Leach, who Chung calls "satan via a sockpuppet" because Chung is a gutless coward, wrote:
>> > Andrew, convicted by the Holy Spirit, unboldly wrote:
>> >
>> >>> And God's "foreknowledge" is his, not mankind's--not any man's.
>> >>
>> >>GOD gives HIS foreknowledge to HIS prophets and whomoever else HE may
>> >>choose.
>> >
>> > God certainly does that.
>> >
>> > So are you one of His Prophets, Jesus the Chung?
>> >
>> > Or are you just merely one of His "Informers"?
>>
>> Are you, Archie Leach, one of the truly interested or truly hypocritical in
>> asking?
>
>It is simply a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) since unwisely choosing to
>blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Such is the sad state of the
>eternally condemned.
>
>Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Andrew <><
Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
crinoidgirl
Yup, that kind. My favorite fossil. And some of the living ones are
gorgeous.
V
MU
> Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
> anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> > Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
> > anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
>
> Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
> interested or truly hypocritical in asking?
It has no free will to do anything since its soul died from
blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, Who is GOD.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
Archie Leach
I'm truly interested in seeing Dr. Andy cobble together some
cockamamie rationalization for his claim that Einstein's equation
relates to human metabolism.
But of course, Dr. Andy won't, because he's a coward, and besides,
he's already labelled me "sockpuppet of satan", which he does to those
who expose his fraudulence all too clearly.
Archie Leach
by the Holy Spirit as well as Just Plain Logic, unboldly wrote:
>sockpuppet MU wrote:
>> Archie Leach boldly wrote:
>>
>> > Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
>> > anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
>>
>> Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
>> interested or truly hypocritical in asking?
>
>It has no free will to do anything since its soul died from
>blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, Who is GOD.
If you think my soul is dead, then you truly are delusional.
But your delusions (such as metabolism releasing nuclear potential
energy) have been established, anyhow. Your pride and hubris will be
unmasqued to your true "self" someday.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> brother MU <m...@moo.com> wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) feebly hissed:
> >
> >> Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
> >> anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
> >
> >Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
> >interested or truly hypocritical in asking?
>
> I'm truly interested in seeing Dr. Andy cobble together some
> cockamamie rationalization for his claim that Einstein's equation
> relates to human metabolism.
Did not make any such claim:
"Afterall, the energy contained in all matter is solely dependent on
the mass.
E=MC**2" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f59bcaacf6737b06?
Truth is simple...
... and will defeat the untruthful every time.
In the gloriously awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I rebuke you yet
again before an ever-growing cloud of witnesses, satan.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
Mark K. Bilbo
Since I have Chunkers in the killfile, I missed that one. Maybe I should
take him out for a laugh?
I take it he was yapping about e=mc^2? That would be particularly funny
as it would mean when you ate, you'd nuke a city...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.
But how much nobler it would be if men died for
ideas that were true!”
- H. L. Mencken
Cary Kittrell
Yep. Trying to tie the idea of weighing your food (for the
2PD-OMER non-diet) in with the fact that the mass of
a substance is a measure of its energy content.
It's a side effect of the mockery he receives for declaring
that knowing the calorie ratings of foods is worthless.
Why? Because if you eat the food, then you can't
also burn that same food in a bomb calorimeter to detrmine its
caloric value. Get it? If your table of calories
lists a pound of butter at 3000 calories, that's
worthless information -- because the pound of
butter they tested isn't the pound of butter
you consumed.
No, I am not making this up. Chung's most gifted
and creative detractors could not come with something
this whack.
Getting back to his dragging e=mc^2 into all this,
immodesty compels me to re-post my response <ahem>
<ahem>:
"archie leach" had written:
> E=MC^2 would be relevant to human metabolism only if the human stomach
> were, say, a nuclear reactor.
> I'm no organic chemist nor am I a biologist, but I know enough to know
> that it is caloric energy content and not total nuclear potential
> energy which fuels metabolism, and that caloric energy content is not
> absolutely and strictly related to simply the mass of the food only.
Now, now, don't try to fight it; The Chung has spoken --
your good old reliable ""The Doctors Pocket Calorie, Fat &
Carbohydrate Counter" will henceforth be required to
add relativistic corrections. For example, a 70-gram
apple which formerly listed in at 100 calories will
now, given the energy implicit in its mass at rest,
be listed as containing
14,946,770,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 calories.
Of coure, since it still weighs only 70 grams, under the
2PD-OMER approach you will be allowed to eat 13 of these
apples a day, for a daily nutritional allowance of
194,308,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 calories.
Even the worst glutton could hardly complain about
restrictions such as that.
-- cary
Archie Leach
Yes, he is trying to pass that off as support for his contention that
the energy in food is strictly related to its mass.
Apparently, Chungles is unable to tell the difference between the
nuclear potential energy that e=mc^2 describes, and chemical potential
energy which is the caloric content of food.
Now, as I stated previously, I'm no biochemist myself, and to describe
the specific chemical reactions that take place in the process of
human (or any other living entity) metabolism is way, way beyond my
ken. That being said, I know enough to know that metabolism entails
the breakdown (and reassembly) of organic molecules, and has nothing
to do with e=mc^2, except in the occasion that there exists an entity
whose stomach consists of a nuclear supecollider.
That someone with allegedly an MD and a PhD would try to make such a
justification in support of his 2 PD OMER diet^H^H^H^H "APPROACH"
indicates a rather disturbing laziness and incompetence ever-present
in his analytical processes.
Archie Leach
>satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) feebly hissed:
>> brother MU <m...@moo.com> wrote:
>> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) feebly hissed:
>> >
>> >> Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
>> >> anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
>> >
>> >Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
>> >interested or truly hypocritical in asking?
>>
>> I'm truly interested in seeing Dr. Andy cobble together some
>> cockamamie rationalization for his claim that Einstein's equation
>> relates to human metabolism.
>
>Did not make any such claim:
>
>"Afterall, the energy contained in all matter is solely dependent on
>the mass.
>
>E=MC**2" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
>
>Source:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f59bcaacf6737b06?
Thereby showing that either you have absolutely NO concept of the
actual process of metabolism, or else you are willfully ignoring what
you must have learned many, many times in the biology and organic
chemistry courses that I'm assuming you must have been required to
take along the way towards getting your MD and PhD.
Furthermore, this attempt to rationalize your theory, that energy in
matter is strictly related to its mass, by using Einstein's equation
shows you have no concept of the idea of nuclear potential energy,
which should also have been drilled into your thick skull repeatedly
during at least one (if not all) of the physics courses I'm sure you
were required to take as an undergrad also.
I'm sure the Medical Board for the State of Georgia would be very
concerned to see one of its physicians spouting in public such
irresponsibly dishonest interpretations of known scientific processes.
(And never mind getting banned from SERNO after two weeks......)
>Truth is simple...
Just keep telling yourself that, Jesus The Chung.
>... and will defeat the untruthful every time.
Which is why you'll win another Weird Science award if you keep this
up, Chungles.
>In the gloriously awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I rebuke you yet
>again before an ever-growing cloud of witnesses, satan.
Rebuke away. It's not going to magically turn anyone's stomach into a
nuclear generator.
Archie Leach
What's more, the most disturbing aspect is that, presumably, in the
process of getting his various degrees, Chung most certainly would
have taken at the very least one organic chemistry course, which would
entail not only doing textbook exercises demonstrating an amount of
energy captured or released, respectively, in an endothermic or
exothermic reaction--he would have done numerous laboratory
experiments thereby experiencing tangibly such reactions, and then
quantifying the data by recording it in the required lab report
writeup.
It shows either further evidence of a clear and deteriorating
psychotic break, or else complete and utter intellectual dishonesty.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) feebly hissed:
> >> brother MU <m...@moo.com> wrote:
> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) feebly hissed:
> >> >
> >> >> Still waiting for your explanation about how Einstein's equation has
> >> >> anything to do whatsoever with human metabolism, Chungquake.
> >> >
> >> >Still waiting for you, Archie Leach, to answer are you one of the truly
> >> >interested or truly hypocritical in asking?
> >>
> >> I'm truly interested in seeing Dr. Andy cobble together some
> >> cockamamie rationalization for his claim that Einstein's equation
> >> relates to human metabolism.
> >
> >Did not make any such claim:
> >
> >"Afterall, the energy contained in all matter is solely dependent on
> >the mass.
> >
> >E=MC**2" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
> >
> >Source:
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f59bcaacf6737b06?
>
> Thereby showing that either you have absolutely NO concept of the
> actual process of metabolism, or else you are willfully ignoring what
> you must have learned many, many times in the biology and organic
> chemistry courses that I'm assuming you must have been required to
> take along the way towards getting your MD and PhD.
Did not write that the equation predicted the amount of potential
chemical energy in food. Instead, it remains illustrative of the
utility of knowing mass (i.e. weight) of all matter, which includes
food, in the setting of measuring quantity.
Bottom line:
Lying remains your native language, satan.
May your suffering be excruciatingly and infinitely worse that you
ever imagined possible for the rest of eternity when you are thrown
into that lake of fire that is being prepared for you.
Thus, in the gloriously holy and awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I
rebuke you yet again before an ever growing cloud of witnesses who are
cheering both here and in heaven.
All the glory here is being given to LORD Almighty GOD.
May your situation serve well as a warning to those who are unwisely
considering your pattern of foolishly blaspheming against the Holy
Spirit.
Archie Leach
You certainly __implied__ it, and to deny that this is an implication
is gross dishonesty.
>Instead, it remains illustrative of the
>utility of knowing mass (i.e. weight) of all matter, which includes
>food, in the setting of measuring quantity.
Huh??
Science, as opposed to literature, or even theology, is not based
simply upon illustrative metaphors, except in those cases where there
is overwhelming empirical evidence to support such a metaphor.
The amount of caloric energy in food correlates with the nature and
amount of chemical bonds in the molecules of the food digested, and
not with the mass of the food digested.
This is basic organic chemistry, Chung. If you can't grasp the
concepts of organic chemistry, then how dare you pass yourself off as
a competent cardiologist?
>Bottom line:
"My posts have not been repetitous."--A. B. Chung, 2007
>Lying remains your native language, satan.
"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
>May your suffering be excruciatingly and infinitely worse that you
>ever imagined possible for the rest of eternity when you are thrown
>into that lake of fire that is being prepared for you.
Wanting me to burn in hell is entirely unrelated to your shoddy
science, Chung.
>Thus, in the gloriously holy and awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I
>rebuke you yet again before an ever growing cloud of witnesses who are
>cheering both here and in heaven.
>
>All the glory here is being given to LORD Almighty GOD.
>
>May your situation serve well as a warning to those who are unwisely
>considering your pattern of foolishly blaspheming against the Holy
>Spirit.
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Andrew <><
Well, enough of Chung's shenanigans. This is a nomination of the
double doctor, based on his latest scientific revelation, using
e=mc^2, for the VVF. Seconds?
Cary Kittrell
As far as that "cheering" cloud of witnesses "here" goes, I think you
want the voiced palato-alveolar affricate instead of the voiceless
one.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Chung for yet another Weird Science Kook Award? Isn't that like
nominating Barry Bonds for Least Popular Holder of a Major Baseball
Record?
But I'll second.
-- cary
flyingrat
@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, heart...@emorycardiology.com says...
> Lying remains your native language, satan.
>
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (#
being a number) or others from his vanity domain emorycardiology.com
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
Archie Leach
I'll leave it to the FNVW's discretion as to whether this case of
Chung's scientific k00k3ry is distinct enough from his previous
claims.
I contend that his trying to use Einstein's equation as justification
and proof for his 2PD OMER Diet is a new thing--a nadir, if you will.
Now, in that infamously evasive way that Chung can present
information, he is vague as to whether e=mc^2 actually has an impact
on energy release and production by the stomach, or else if he's
merely using that as an "illustrative metaphor".
In the case of the former, the science is so obviously bad that it
needn't be explained.
In the case of the latter--"As Above, So Below" is a philosophical
method of justification by inference. It is -not- science. It is
-not- empirical evidence of the sort required by legitimate scientific
inquiry. It is -not- any kind of scientific methodology, except only
in the most abstract sense of providing a possible direction for
scientists to create a hypothesis, and then prove or disprove it with
experimental data and results.
If anything, it's a non-sequitur:
Premise: Energy (of the nuclear potential sort) is equivalent to the
mass multipled by the square of the speed of light.
Conclusion: The amount of energy (of the chemical, caloric potential
sort) in food is strictly related to its mass and not the nature and
amount of its chemical bonds and its constituent molecules.
Bottom line:
The conclusion does not follow from the premise.
flyingrat
arc...@antispam.ham says...
or in Chung's case, both.
FR
--
"The ejaculate from satan has the consistency and smell of emesis." --
Andrew B Chung confirming he has sucked the Devil's cock
Message-ID: <1165858390....@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Mark K. Bilbo
Not sober.
> If your table of calories lists a
> pound of butter at 3000 calories, that's worthless information --
> because the pound of butter they tested isn't the pound of butter you
> consumed.
>
> No, I am not making this up.
Oh, I believe you. I had Chunkers in the killfile for some time now and
only just thought of seeing how far off the cliff of sanity he's gone now.
Apparently, he's losing his mind at relativistic speeds now.
14,946,770,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 calories!
Don't tell the TSA...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar
doctrine that age brings wisdom.”
- H. L. Mencken
MU
> It's a side effect of the mockery he receives for declaring
> that knowing the calorie ratings of foods is worthless.
Practically, it is. Since there is no such thing as certified caloric
intakes.
> Why? Because if you eat the food, then you can't
> also burn that same food in a bomb calorimeter to detrmine its
> caloric value. Get it?
Yes, true, next.....
> If your table of calories
> lists a pound of butter at 3000 calories, that's
> worthless information -- because the pound of
> butter they tested isn't the pound of butter
> you consumed.
Could very well be the case. Did the entire pound enter the body for calorc
use? Do you chemically analyze your poo-poo?
> No, I am not making this up. Chung's most gifted
> and creative detractors could not come with something
> this whack.
Count me in. Feel free to disqualify anything I have posted here. you won't
b/c you can't.
> Getting back to his dragging e=mc^2 into all this,
> immodesty compels me to re-post my response <ahem>
> <ahem>:
Go ahead. Surely it's better than school yard name-calling, honest argument
is.
If you are honest. and you are not.
Art Deco
There are no limits to the ultimate number of VVFWS awards a kook can
win, they only have to be for distinct "theories", and the 3 year
maximum limit applies, AIU.
>>
>>But I'll second.
>>
>>
>>-- cary
>>
>
>I'll leave it to the FNVW's discretion as to whether this case of
>Chung's scientific k00k3ry is distinct enough from his previous
>claims.
The two-pound fat diet has already been recognized for its scientific
breakthrough value.
>
>I contend that his trying to use Einstein's equation as justification
>and proof for his 2PD OMER Diet is a new thing--a nadir, if you will.
>
>Now, in that infamously evasive way that Chung can present
>information, he is vague as to whether e=mc^2 actually has an impact
>on energy release and production by the stomach, or else if he's
>merely using that as an "illustrative metaphor".
>
>In the case of the former, the science is so obviously bad that it
>needn't be explained.
He is now claiming that the Einsteinian mass-energy equivalence is an
example of mass being indicative of energy content, which therefore
must imply that the two-pound fat diet has a scientific basis.
>
>In the case of the latter--"As Above, So Below" is a philosophical
>method of justification by inference. It is -not- science. It is
>-not- empirical evidence of the sort required by legitimate scientific
>inquiry. It is -not- any kind of scientific methodology, except only
>in the most abstract sense of providing a possible direction for
>scientists to create a hypothesis, and then prove or disprove it with
>experimental data and results.
>
>If anything, it's a non-sequitur:
Correct.
>
>Premise: Energy (of the nuclear potential sort) is equivalent to the
>mass multipled by the square of the speed of light.
>
>Conclusion: The amount of energy (of the chemical, caloric potential
>sort) in food is strictly related to its mass and not the nature and
>amount of its chemical bonds and its constituent molecules.
>
>Bottom line:
>
>The conclusion does not follow from the premise.
Also correct, but it sounds all techy and scientific and stuff to
unsuspecting rubes who might not see the idiocy of his stupid claim
right off the bat.
I think it has a good chance of being accepted.
The bottom line is -- St. Chung the Chaste and Starving refuses to
acknowledge that the amount of useful energy stored in chemical bonds
varies greatly, especially per kilogram of mass.
There is also that little endothermic/exothermic gotcha.
Hey Andy, what is the useful food energy available in a gram of butter
versus a one gram block of copper?
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
COOSN-266-06-39716
Art Deco
Hydrogen bonds versus hydrogen fusion -- do you think Andy's empty
stomach can tell the difference?
My theory is that low blood sugar due to inadequate nutrition has
severely impaired his already limited reasoning capacity.
Art Deco
Did Andy bother to post a refutation of this 33 order-of-magnitude
discrepancy?
Art Deco
But the basics are easy to find via electronic means, of course.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density>
>That being said, I know enough to know that metabolism entails
>the breakdown (and reassembly) of organic molecules, and has nothing
>to do with e=mc^2, except in the occasion that there exists an entity
>whose stomach consists of a nuclear supecollider.
>
>That someone with allegedly an MD and a PhD would try to make such a
>justification in support of his 2 PD OMER diet^H^H^H^H "APPROACH"
>indicates a rather disturbing laziness and incompetence ever-present
>in his analytical processes.
He obviously doesn't care if the advice he tries to shove down people's
throats is correct or not:
"I'm a PhD and an MD! Listen to me! I know what I'm talking about!"
Mark K. Bilbo
> What's more, the most disturbing aspect is that, presumably, in the
> process of getting his various degrees, Chung most certainly would have
> taken at the very least one organic chemistry course, which would entail
> not only doing textbook exercises demonstrating an amount of energy
> captured or released, respectively, in an endothermic or exothermic
> reaction--he would have done numerous laboratory experiments thereby
> experiencing tangibly such reactions, and then quantifying the data by
> recording it in the required lab report writeup.
>
> It shows either further evidence of a clear and deteriorating psychotic
> break, or else complete and utter intellectual dishonesty.
You must be a new viewer of the Chung Comedy Hour. <g>
Years back, when he first showed up after being canned in Florida, he
sounded pretty rational if a bit of a religious freak. And, for that
matter, in the year or so I've had him killfiled, he's apparently just
gotten loopier.
The whole thing looks like schizophrenia which, I understand (but I'm no
shrink) isn't that unusual to begin in the 20s in males. Based on what
little his former (and only) employers had to say, I'd bet it started--
but went undiagnosed--in his grad school years or there abouts.
His Usenet trip has been one long, strange ride...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is
fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable.
What he wants above everything else is safety.”
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
> That someone with allegedly an MD and a PhD would try to make such a
> justification in support of his 2 PD OMER diet^H^H^H^H "APPROACH"
> indicates a rather disturbing laziness and incompetence ever-present in
> his analytical processes.
You mean "a disturbing lack of treatment for his growing schizophrenia".
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
Cary Kittrell
Not to the discerning.
-- cary
Archie Leach
>On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:14:58 +0000, Archie Leach wrote:
>
>> That someone with allegedly an MD and a PhD would try to make such a
>> justification in support of his 2 PD OMER diet^H^H^H^H "APPROACH"
>> indicates a rather disturbing laziness and incompetence ever-present in
>> his analytical processes.
>
>You mean "a disturbing lack of treatment for his growing schizophrenia".
That too.
Ferd Farkel
>
> Hydrogen bonds versus hydrogen fusion -- do you think Andy's empty
> stomach can tell the difference?
>
> My theory is that low blood sugar due to inadequate nutrition has
> severely impaired his already limited reasoning capacity.
Protein deficiency. The body consumes itself to stay alive,
starting with those organs least essential for survival.
Art Deco
>On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:07:59 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
>> It's a side effect of the mockery he receives for declaring
>> that knowing the calorie ratings of foods is worthless.
>
>Practically, it is. Since there is no such thing as certified caloric
>intakes.
A strawman. The existence or non-existence of any certifications for
the energy densities of food is irrelevant to the fact that energy
densities of food vary greatly.
>
>> Why? Because if you eat the food, then you can't
>> also burn that same food in a bomb calorimeter to detrmine its
>> caloric value. Get it?
>
>Yes, true, next.....
>
>> If your table of calories
>> lists a pound of butter at 3000 calories, that's
>> worthless information -- because the pound of
>> butter they tested isn't the pound of butter
>> you consumed.
>
>Could very well be the case. Did the entire pound enter the body for calorc
>use? Do you chemically analyze your poo-poo?
Which has nothing to do with Chung's bogus claims that being constantly
hungry automatically results in complete health and supplies the energy
needed for elite-level endurance sports.
>
>> No, I am not making this up. Chung's most gifted
>> and creative detractors could not come with something
>> this whack.
>
>Count me in. Feel free to disqualify anything I have posted here. you won't
>b/c you can't.
>
>> Getting back to his dragging e=mc^2 into all this,
>> immodesty compels me to re-post my response <ahem>
>> <ahem>:
>
>Go ahead. Surely it's better than school yard name-calling, honest argument
>is.
>
>If you are honest. and you are not.
<tholen>
How ironic.
</tholen>
Archie Leach
MU
> Protein deficiency. The body consumes itself to stay alive,
> starting with those organs least essential for survival.
What a bunch of hogwash trying to pass this hokey off for being a eunuch.
Art Deco
Hi, Tholen!
MU's Sockpuppet
Archie Leach
Art Deco
Hi, Tholen!
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:011220071813249713%er...@caballista.org...
Hi, Pedo Deco!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
John "C"
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:d934501b-12a0-4223...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
I apologize for the actions of Art Deco!
He is out of control and needs our prayers!
John C.