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Michael Ejercito
Jun 8, 2023, 12:05:50 PM6/8/23
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NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
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By Jim Reed
Health reporter
The NHS is struggling to provide safe and effective care for all cancer
patients, say senior doctors.
The Royal College of Radiologists is warning that all four UK nations
are facing "chronic staff shortages", with patients waiting too long for
vital tests and treatments.
Half of all cancer units are now reporting frequent delays for both
radiotherapy and chemotherapy.
Ministers say a workforce strategy for the NHS in England is due shortly.
The plan, which is meant to spell out how the government will plug
staffing gaps over the next 15 years, has been repeatedly delayed, to
the frustration of some in the health service.
It comes as new figures show 22,533 patients in England were waiting
more than two months for either cancer diagnosis or treatment at the end
of April, up from 19,023 at the end of March.
The wider NHS waiting list, which includes cancer and non-cancer
treatment, also increased further to 7.4 million people, the highest
number since records began in 2007.
Carol Fletcher
Image caption,
Carol Fletcher, 57, from Usk in South Wales, says she has faced multiple
delays for cancer treatment since being diagnosed last summer.
In June 2022, Carol Fletcher, from South Wales, finally had her routine
screening appointment for breast cancer, which was itself overdue.
"It took another eight weeks after my mammogram before I was told there
might be something wrong," she said.
Since her cancer diagnosis, there have been more waits - for scans,
tests, surgery and then chemo.
"I was told that I might not get results back [quickly] after my
mastectomy because they haven't got enough pathologists, so there was
another eight-week delay for chemotherapy," she said.
"I can't plan for the future and it's had a huge impact on my family."
Presentational grey line
NHS services across the whole UK have been struggling to meet cancer
targets since well before Covid.
The pandemic increased the backlog, with scans and treatment disrupted
by lockdowns.
Across England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, one key target is to
start treatment within two months of an urgent referral by a GP.
In Wales the measure is slightly different as it includes all urgent and
non-urgent referrals.
Graph showing UK cancer performance
All four nations are operating well below those levels. In England just
61% of patients start treatment in that time against a target of 85%.
Growing delays are, in part, the flip side of a medical success story.
Scientific progress in cancer care has been remarkable, with
cutting-edge drugs offering hope where previously there was little that
could be done.
New techniques are more effective but often far more complex for doctors
to deliver.
At the same time the UK population is getting older - and as cancer risk
is strongly linked to age it means more more demand for expensive
scanners, along with more staff to analyse those scans, and more
specialist doctors and nurses.
The Royal College of Radiologists (RCR) describes the situation as a
perfect storm - and says the workforce is struggling to keep up.
Graph showing predicted shortfall in senior doctors
Across the four UK nations, it calculates there is now a 15% shortfall
of specialist cancer doctors - or clinical oncologists - who deliver
chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
Without action, it says this gap will grow to 25% - or a shortage of 368
full-time consultants - by 2027.
Just as concerning is an even larger shortage of consultant radiologists
- highly trained doctors who interpret scans to diagnose cancer or
monitor its progression.
'Perfect storm'
The RCR says for each month a patient waits to start cancer treatment,
the risk of death is increased by about 10%.
In its annual survey, 44% of cancer service managers say they are now
"highly concerned" about patient delays, up from 29% in the previous year.
"There are examples in almost every cancer centre where parts of the
service just aren't running as well as we would like," said Dr Tom
Roques, a consultant oncologist and vice-president of the RCR.
"We're having to tell patients all the time that we can't quite treat
them as quickly as we would like, or in the way that we'd like, and
that's a stressful thing to have to do."
Keith photo
Image caption,
Kevin O'Hara was diagnosed with kidney cancer after a motorbike accident.
Kevin O'Hara, 60, from County Durham, broke five ribs in a motorbike
accident last November.
A scan of his upper body also picked up a shadow near one of his kidneys
that was later diagnosed as cancer.
He was offered drug treatment meant to slow the growth of the tumour and
- in early February - was told the waiting list for surgery would be
three to four months.
That period has now been and gone but he is still waiting for a date for
his operation.
"Every day you are waiting and waiting and nothing changes," he said.
"I come home from work and go to the door and, when there's no envelope
that says NHS on the top, I just get so depressed."
Graph showing cancer referrals in England
There is another trend in cancer care which is often overlooked.
The last decade has seen a dramatic increase in people coming forward to
get checked after spotting a possible symptom such as an unusual lump,
strange mole or unexplained weight loss.
The reasons for that are complex and include a bounceback in demand
since Covid, stronger guidance for GPs to refer to cancer specialists,
major NHS publicity drives and the work of campaigners such as
"Bowelbabe" Deborah James.
Cancer doctors view the spike in demand as a "very good thing", as a
growing proportion of patients are now diagnosed earlier when cancer is
easier to treat.
But it also puts more pressure on NHS services, with waiting times for
diagnosis and other scans one of the key bottlenecks in the system.
Since Christmas there have been some signs of progress, with the NHS in
England reducing the backlog of long waits for treatment and hitting one
of its other standards - for faster diagnosis - for the first time.
Media caption,
In Blackpool, the NHS has hit its skin cancer targets by changing the
way patients are diagnosed, in an approach which is now being rolled out
across England.
The RCR also says there is a "chink of light" - with recruitment of
oncologists rising over the last three years, particularly in parts of
the country with the worst staff shortages.
It wants each UK nation to increase medical school places and training
posts, and says more also needs to be done to stop experienced staff
cutting their hours or leaving the profession early.
The Department of Health said that the total number of full-time staff
in the cancer workforce in England had risen by 51% to 33,093 since 2010.
A spokesman added: "We want to build on this progress and will publish a
workforce plan shortly to ensure we have the right numbers of staff,
with the right number of skills."
The Scottish government is also expected to publish its new 10-year
cancer strategy within weeks, setting out ways to attract and retain
more staff.
The Welsh government recently published a cancer improvement plan and
says it is now investing heavily to train more staff and build more
diagnostic and treatment centres.
In Northern Ireland, the health department said it is "extremely
disappointing" that cancer targets are being missed. It has recently
opened two new rapid diagnostic centres and started a "cancer strategy
workforce review".
Data visualisation by Liana Bravo.
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NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
Published
6 hours ago
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Stock photo of a radiologist looking at a brain scan image on a computer
screen
IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES
By Jim Reed
Health reporter
The NHS is struggling to provide safe and effective care for all cancer
patients, say senior doctors.
The Royal College of Radiologists is warning that all four UK nations
are facing "chronic staff shortages", with patients waiting too long for
vital tests and treatments.
Half of all cancer units are now reporting frequent delays for both
radiotherapy and chemotherapy.
Ministers say a workforce strategy for the NHS in England is due shortly.
The plan, which is meant to spell out how the government will plug
staffing gaps over the next 15 years, has been repeatedly delayed, to
the frustration of some in the health service.
It comes as new figures show 22,533 patients in England were waiting
more than two months for either cancer diagnosis or treatment at the end
of April, up from 19,023 at the end of March.
The wider NHS waiting list, which includes cancer and non-cancer
treatment, also increased further to 7.4 million people, the highest
number since records began in 2007.
Carol Fletcher
Image caption,
Carol Fletcher, 57, from Usk in South Wales, says she has faced multiple
delays for cancer treatment since being diagnosed last summer.
In June 2022, Carol Fletcher, from South Wales, finally had her routine
screening appointment for breast cancer, which was itself overdue.
"It took another eight weeks after my mammogram before I was told there
might be something wrong," she said.
Since her cancer diagnosis, there have been more waits - for scans,
tests, surgery and then chemo.
"I was told that I might not get results back [quickly] after my
mastectomy because they haven't got enough pathologists, so there was
another eight-week delay for chemotherapy," she said.
"I can't plan for the future and it's had a huge impact on my family."
Presentational grey line
NHS services across the whole UK have been struggling to meet cancer
targets since well before Covid.
The pandemic increased the backlog, with scans and treatment disrupted
by lockdowns.
Across England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, one key target is to
start treatment within two months of an urgent referral by a GP.
In Wales the measure is slightly different as it includes all urgent and
non-urgent referrals.
Graph showing UK cancer performance
All four nations are operating well below those levels. In England just
61% of patients start treatment in that time against a target of 85%.
Growing delays are, in part, the flip side of a medical success story.
Scientific progress in cancer care has been remarkable, with
cutting-edge drugs offering hope where previously there was little that
could be done.
New techniques are more effective but often far more complex for doctors
to deliver.
At the same time the UK population is getting older - and as cancer risk
is strongly linked to age it means more more demand for expensive
scanners, along with more staff to analyse those scans, and more
specialist doctors and nurses.
The Royal College of Radiologists (RCR) describes the situation as a
perfect storm - and says the workforce is struggling to keep up.
Graph showing predicted shortfall in senior doctors
Across the four UK nations, it calculates there is now a 15% shortfall
of specialist cancer doctors - or clinical oncologists - who deliver
chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
Without action, it says this gap will grow to 25% - or a shortage of 368
full-time consultants - by 2027.
Just as concerning is an even larger shortage of consultant radiologists
- highly trained doctors who interpret scans to diagnose cancer or
monitor its progression.
'Perfect storm'
The RCR says for each month a patient waits to start cancer treatment,
the risk of death is increased by about 10%.
In its annual survey, 44% of cancer service managers say they are now
"highly concerned" about patient delays, up from 29% in the previous year.
"There are examples in almost every cancer centre where parts of the
service just aren't running as well as we would like," said Dr Tom
Roques, a consultant oncologist and vice-president of the RCR.
"We're having to tell patients all the time that we can't quite treat
them as quickly as we would like, or in the way that we'd like, and
that's a stressful thing to have to do."
Keith photo
Image caption,
Kevin O'Hara was diagnosed with kidney cancer after a motorbike accident.
Kevin O'Hara, 60, from County Durham, broke five ribs in a motorbike
accident last November.
A scan of his upper body also picked up a shadow near one of his kidneys
that was later diagnosed as cancer.
He was offered drug treatment meant to slow the growth of the tumour and
- in early February - was told the waiting list for surgery would be
three to four months.
That period has now been and gone but he is still waiting for a date for
his operation.
"Every day you are waiting and waiting and nothing changes," he said.
"I come home from work and go to the door and, when there's no envelope
that says NHS on the top, I just get so depressed."
Graph showing cancer referrals in England
There is another trend in cancer care which is often overlooked.
The last decade has seen a dramatic increase in people coming forward to
get checked after spotting a possible symptom such as an unusual lump,
strange mole or unexplained weight loss.
The reasons for that are complex and include a bounceback in demand
since Covid, stronger guidance for GPs to refer to cancer specialists,
major NHS publicity drives and the work of campaigners such as
"Bowelbabe" Deborah James.
Cancer doctors view the spike in demand as a "very good thing", as a
growing proportion of patients are now diagnosed earlier when cancer is
easier to treat.
But it also puts more pressure on NHS services, with waiting times for
diagnosis and other scans one of the key bottlenecks in the system.
Since Christmas there have been some signs of progress, with the NHS in
England reducing the backlog of long waits for treatment and hitting one
of its other standards - for faster diagnosis - for the first time.
Media caption,
In Blackpool, the NHS has hit its skin cancer targets by changing the
way patients are diagnosed, in an approach which is now being rolled out
across England.
The RCR also says there is a "chink of light" - with recruitment of
oncologists rising over the last three years, particularly in parts of
the country with the worst staff shortages.
It wants each UK nation to increase medical school places and training
posts, and says more also needs to be done to stop experienced staff
cutting their hours or leaving the profession early.
The Department of Health said that the total number of full-time staff
in the cancer workforce in England had risen by 51% to 33,093 since 2010.
A spokesman added: "We want to build on this progress and will publish a
workforce plan shortly to ensure we have the right numbers of staff,
with the right number of skills."
The Scottish government is also expected to publish its new 10-year
cancer strategy within weeks, setting out ways to attract and retain
more staff.
The Welsh government recently published a cancer improvement plan and
says it is now investing heavily to train more staff and build more
diagnostic and treatment centres.
In Northern Ireland, the health department said it is "extremely
disappointing" that cancer targets are being missed. It has recently
opened two new rapid diagnostic centres and started a "cancer strategy
workforce review".
Data visualisation by Liana Bravo.
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HeartDoc Andrew
Jun 8, 2023, 12:26:53 PM6/8/23
to
GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use
Apostle Paul's secret (http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ). Though masking
is less protective, it helps us avoid the appearance of doing the evil
of spreading airborne pathogens while there are people getting sick
because of not being 100% protected. It is written that we're to
"abstain from **all** appearance of doing evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22
w/**emphasis**).
Source:
https://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-22.htm
Meanwhile, the only *perfect* (Matt 5:47-8) way to eradicate the
COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) finding out at any given
moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12) for them to
call their doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of
stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the best while
preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations
and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu &
Delta lineage mutations combining via slip-RNA-replication to form
hybrids like http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current
COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Jun 8, 2023, 1:25:30 PM6/8/23
to
Michael
REAL Tall Henry
Jun 8, 2023, 2:09:33 PM6/8/23
to
On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:05:34 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1442my4/nhs_struggling_to_provide_safe_cancer_care_say/
>
>NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
>Published
Why are you sharing this, gook? It's IRRELEVANT to a slant eyed
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1442my4/nhs_struggling_to_provide_safe_cancer_care_say/
>
>NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
>Published
mongoloid like you who isn't even ELIGIBLE for NHS care!
#gookejershito
--
Die Juden sind unser Unglück.
- Heinrich Gotthard Freiherr von Treitschke (1834-1896)
REAL Tall Henry
Jun 8, 2023, 2:11:23 PM6/8/23
to
On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 10:25:29 -0700, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
No SHIT, gook! Have some more freshly squeezed jew diarrhoea!
#gookchung
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
#gookchung
HeartDoc Andrew
Jun 8, 2023, 2:39:31 PM6/8/23
to
(Carol) 06/08/23 Real/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://WonderfullyHungry.org like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 ) with
all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://WonderfullyHungry.org (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His compelling you
to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition
which is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you
more than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://WDJW.great-site.net/Redeemed want even more, so that
we're even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
Peeler
Jun 8, 2023, 2:45:15 PM6/8/23
to
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 19:11:20 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "REAL Tall Henry", farted
again:
>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>
> No SHIT, gook! Have some more freshly squeezed jew diarrhoea!
I doubt he, or anyone else, shares your diet, shiteating sexually crippled
psychopathic swine!
> #gookchung
> #gookejershito
Another gratuitous display of your congenital idiocy and legendary
retardation, poor psychopathic sod? LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "REAL Tall Henry", farted
again:
>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>
> No SHIT, gook! Have some more freshly squeezed jew diarrhoea!
psychopathic swine!
> #gookchung
> #gookejershito
Another gratuitous display of your congenital idiocy and legendary
retardation, poor psychopathic sod? LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
Peeler
Jun 8, 2023, 2:49:11 PM6/8/23
to
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 19:09:30 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
degenerate perverted psychopathic swine like you?
> #gookejershito
Another gratuitous display of your congenital idiocy and legendary
retardation, poor psychopathic sod? LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$DQ1.1...@usenetxs.com>
NO, it isn't, you filthy old pedo swine!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "REAL Tall Henry", farted
again:
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "REAL Tall Henry", farted
again:
>>https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1442my4/nhs_struggling_to_provide_safe_cancer_care_say/
>>
>>NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
>>Published
>
> Why are you sharing this, gook? It's IRRELEVANT to a slant eyed
> mongoloid like you who isn't even ELIGIBLE for NHS care!
What POSSIBLE relevance could a TRUE HUMAN'S posts have to a subnormal
>>
>>NHS struggling to provide safe cancer care, say senior doctors
>>Published
>
> Why are you sharing this, gook? It's IRRELEVANT to a slant eyed
> mongoloid like you who isn't even ELIGIBLE for NHS care!
degenerate perverted psychopathic swine like you?
> #gookejershito
Another gratuitous display of your congenital idiocy and legendary
retardation, poor psychopathic sod? LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$DQ1.1...@usenetxs.com>
NO, it isn't, you filthy old pedo swine!
HeartDoc Andrew
Jun 8, 2023, 2:58:45 PM6/8/23
to
(Carol) 06/08/23 Again greeting (Matt 5:47) Peeler ...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/SgbSB5UVar4/m/bwzAGiroDAAJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/SgbSB5UVar4/m/bwzAGiroDAAJ
Michael Ejercito
Jun 8, 2023, 3:23:28 PM6/8/23
to
Dr. Chung gooks.
Try being wonderfully hungry. Then you can be rapture reaDY!
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you
can not measure up.
You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.
You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.
You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
Socialism.
Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you… which is why you choose minor children
as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
consensually sexual way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a
helpless victim, be it a prepubescent boy, or a patient in a mental
hospital.
That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest
about it.
HeartDoc Andrew
Jun 8, 2023, 4:50:49 PM6/8/23
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to
http://WDJW.great-site.net/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12 as shown by
http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://WDJW.great-site.net/VAT from around the heart
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