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Michael Ejercito
Mar 28, 2022, 10:12:03 PM3/28/22
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The ‘zero-Covid’ approach got bad press, but it worked – and it could
work again
Laura Spinney
The places that chose to pursue elimination suffered less overall.
Unfortunately, few had the determination to do so
A sign in front of UC Davis Medical Center.
‘Eighteen months into its No-Covid experiment, Davis, California, is
puzzled that other US towns haven’t followed suit.’ Photograph: Peter
Dasliva/EPA
Mon 28 Mar 2022 08.22 EDT
It was the alt-history, the policy that didn’t get enacted. No-Covid,
zero-Covid or elimination aimed to stamp out community transmission of
Covid-19 in a given area, rather than just reduce it to “manageable”
levels. Most of the world eschewed it, and it got bad press from the
start. Only autocratic regimes could pull it off, one mantra went.
Countries like China and ah, New Zealand and, oops, that notorious
police state Davis in California.
There was something of the self-fulfilling prophecy about this. Many
people thought No-Covid was impossible, but the handful of places that
embraced it proved them wrong. Now that some of those places are
themselves shifting to a reduction or mitigation strategy, countries
that opted for mitigation from the beginning are enjoying a “we told you
so” moment. But No-Covid’s early champions had to shift in part because
other countries let the virus rip. Even if their strategy didn’t remain
the optimal one, it bought them time to prepare others. It’s important
that we remember that when the next pandemic sidles along.
The power of language is terrifying sometimes. We talk about pandemics
“erupting” – I’ve done it myself – but sidling seems a more appropriate
verb for something that grows quietly in the dark before exploding into
the light. The concept of exponential growth is one we have trouble
grasping, yet grasping it empowers us. It means that for a time the
disease spread is limited and potentially controllable. It means that
explosive growth falls off rapidly once it is deprived of fuel. And it
means that not everybody has to pursue elimination for it to succeed –
as long as a critical mass do.
We’ve found one factor that predicts which countries best survive Covid
Thomas Hale
Read more
No-Covid was dogged by problems of definition. People confused
elimination with eradication, for example. Only one human disease,
smallpox, has been eradicated, but plenty have been eliminated. The UK
was measles-free until 2017, when partly, due to low vaccine uptake, it
lost that status. Elimination is not an unattainable dream, but it does
require a concerted effort. In the current pandemic, the word often
applied to such efforts was “restrictions”, as if the efforts themselves
deprived us of liberty. No. The virus deprives us of liberty; the
efforts preserve it. That’s why nobody in Davis is complaining, 18
months into their No-Covid experiment, and why they’re puzzled other US
towns haven’t followed suit.
Though lockdowns might have been necessary in the beginning, because we
had no other shields against the virus, they soon stopped being
synonymous with elimination. Cheap mass testing plus isolation of the
infected, ventilation, masking, distancing and – importantly – social
and financial support for those inconvenienced by these measures, became
the preferred tools, used most effectively in combination.
The claim that elimination exacerbates inequality is a red herring; it
doesn’t, with the right support. A circulating virus certainly does, on
the other hand, by preferentially encountering gig workers, keeping kids
out of school, and closing mental health clinics.
It’s true that some diseases are easier to eliminate than others. Many
western countries assumed that Covid would behave like flu, and decided
that elimination would be too difficult. China assumed that it would
behave like Sars, which it successfully beat 20 years ago. It actually
behaves a bit like both, but not exactly like either. Countries tended
to get the outcome they aimed for.
Last June, a study in The Lancet showed that those that chose
elimination over mitigation did a better job of protecting life, the
economy and civil liberties – the hat-trick. But no country is an island
to a highly transmissible virus – even those that are islands – and the
emergence of Delta and Omicron variants of the Sars-CoV-2 virus,
combined with the rollout of vaccines that protect against severe
disease and death, was bound to change the calculus. Some who favoured
elimination previously now think it has outlived its usefulness.
New Zealand, for example, has switched to a mitigation strategy.
Epidemiologist Michael Baker expects his country’s high levels of
vaccination will protect it from a wave of hospitalisations and deaths
as Omicron sweeps the country. Hong Kong, which also pursued No-Covid
until recently, has tragically not avoided that fate, due to its
relatively low vaccination rates.
The lesson from Hong Kong is not that elimination doesn’t work, it’s
that you need a plan B in case the context changes. Baker and economist
Donald Low, who has chronicled Hong Kong’s experience, agree that
elimination was the right strategy for the first 18 months of the
pandemic. Baker stands by his analysis of December 2020 that,
“Elimination might be the preferred strategy for responding to new
emerging infectious diseases with pandemic potential and moderate to
high severity, particularly while key parameters are being estimated.”
What we’re learning about long Covid – or post-Covid-19 condition as the
World Health Organization (WHO) now calls it – only strengthens that
case, since it’s looking increasingly likely that countries that
tolerated high infection rates, including the UK, are facing a sizeable
burden of long-term disability. The vaccines do not stop transmission
completely, and by abandoning the non-pharmaceutical interventions that
do, those countries also increase the likelihood – far from trivial, as
scientists highlighted again this month – that a variant more severe
than Omicron or its “stealth” subvariant could arise.
These emerging facts demonstrate how pointless it is to cost
elimination, or any other containment strategy. How do you measure what
it has saved you? In speculative fiction terms, what’s the counterfactual?
The right way to respond to an unknown disease is to fix a goal and work
towards it, adjusting your strategy as you learn. Because there’s
another unknown in the equation, human determination, no response should
be ruled out initially. As Nelson Mandela said, and the WHO itself likes
to quote: “It’s only impossible until it’s done.”
Laura Spinney is a science journalist and the author of Pale Rider: The
Spanish Flu of 1918 and How it Changed the World
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The ‘zero-Covid’ approach got bad press, but it worked – and it could
work again
Laura Spinney
The places that chose to pursue elimination suffered less overall.
Unfortunately, few had the determination to do so
A sign in front of UC Davis Medical Center.
‘Eighteen months into its No-Covid experiment, Davis, California, is
puzzled that other US towns haven’t followed suit.’ Photograph: Peter
Dasliva/EPA
Mon 28 Mar 2022 08.22 EDT
It was the alt-history, the policy that didn’t get enacted. No-Covid,
zero-Covid or elimination aimed to stamp out community transmission of
Covid-19 in a given area, rather than just reduce it to “manageable”
levels. Most of the world eschewed it, and it got bad press from the
start. Only autocratic regimes could pull it off, one mantra went.
Countries like China and ah, New Zealand and, oops, that notorious
police state Davis in California.
There was something of the self-fulfilling prophecy about this. Many
people thought No-Covid was impossible, but the handful of places that
embraced it proved them wrong. Now that some of those places are
themselves shifting to a reduction or mitigation strategy, countries
that opted for mitigation from the beginning are enjoying a “we told you
so” moment. But No-Covid’s early champions had to shift in part because
other countries let the virus rip. Even if their strategy didn’t remain
the optimal one, it bought them time to prepare others. It’s important
that we remember that when the next pandemic sidles along.
The power of language is terrifying sometimes. We talk about pandemics
“erupting” – I’ve done it myself – but sidling seems a more appropriate
verb for something that grows quietly in the dark before exploding into
the light. The concept of exponential growth is one we have trouble
grasping, yet grasping it empowers us. It means that for a time the
disease spread is limited and potentially controllable. It means that
explosive growth falls off rapidly once it is deprived of fuel. And it
means that not everybody has to pursue elimination for it to succeed –
as long as a critical mass do.
We’ve found one factor that predicts which countries best survive Covid
Thomas Hale
Read more
No-Covid was dogged by problems of definition. People confused
elimination with eradication, for example. Only one human disease,
smallpox, has been eradicated, but plenty have been eliminated. The UK
was measles-free until 2017, when partly, due to low vaccine uptake, it
lost that status. Elimination is not an unattainable dream, but it does
require a concerted effort. In the current pandemic, the word often
applied to such efforts was “restrictions”, as if the efforts themselves
deprived us of liberty. No. The virus deprives us of liberty; the
efforts preserve it. That’s why nobody in Davis is complaining, 18
months into their No-Covid experiment, and why they’re puzzled other US
towns haven’t followed suit.
Though lockdowns might have been necessary in the beginning, because we
had no other shields against the virus, they soon stopped being
synonymous with elimination. Cheap mass testing plus isolation of the
infected, ventilation, masking, distancing and – importantly – social
and financial support for those inconvenienced by these measures, became
the preferred tools, used most effectively in combination.
The claim that elimination exacerbates inequality is a red herring; it
doesn’t, with the right support. A circulating virus certainly does, on
the other hand, by preferentially encountering gig workers, keeping kids
out of school, and closing mental health clinics.
It’s true that some diseases are easier to eliminate than others. Many
western countries assumed that Covid would behave like flu, and decided
that elimination would be too difficult. China assumed that it would
behave like Sars, which it successfully beat 20 years ago. It actually
behaves a bit like both, but not exactly like either. Countries tended
to get the outcome they aimed for.
Last June, a study in The Lancet showed that those that chose
elimination over mitigation did a better job of protecting life, the
economy and civil liberties – the hat-trick. But no country is an island
to a highly transmissible virus – even those that are islands – and the
emergence of Delta and Omicron variants of the Sars-CoV-2 virus,
combined with the rollout of vaccines that protect against severe
disease and death, was bound to change the calculus. Some who favoured
elimination previously now think it has outlived its usefulness.
New Zealand, for example, has switched to a mitigation strategy.
Epidemiologist Michael Baker expects his country’s high levels of
vaccination will protect it from a wave of hospitalisations and deaths
as Omicron sweeps the country. Hong Kong, which also pursued No-Covid
until recently, has tragically not avoided that fate, due to its
relatively low vaccination rates.
The lesson from Hong Kong is not that elimination doesn’t work, it’s
that you need a plan B in case the context changes. Baker and economist
Donald Low, who has chronicled Hong Kong’s experience, agree that
elimination was the right strategy for the first 18 months of the
pandemic. Baker stands by his analysis of December 2020 that,
“Elimination might be the preferred strategy for responding to new
emerging infectious diseases with pandemic potential and moderate to
high severity, particularly while key parameters are being estimated.”
What we’re learning about long Covid – or post-Covid-19 condition as the
World Health Organization (WHO) now calls it – only strengthens that
case, since it’s looking increasingly likely that countries that
tolerated high infection rates, including the UK, are facing a sizeable
burden of long-term disability. The vaccines do not stop transmission
completely, and by abandoning the non-pharmaceutical interventions that
do, those countries also increase the likelihood – far from trivial, as
scientists highlighted again this month – that a variant more severe
than Omicron or its “stealth” subvariant could arise.
These emerging facts demonstrate how pointless it is to cost
elimination, or any other containment strategy. How do you measure what
it has saved you? In speculative fiction terms, what’s the counterfactual?
The right way to respond to an unknown disease is to fix a goal and work
towards it, adjusting your strategy as you learn. Because there’s
another unknown in the equation, human determination, no response should
be ruled out initially. As Nelson Mandela said, and the WHO itself likes
to quote: “It’s only impossible until it’s done.”
Laura Spinney is a science journalist and the author of Pale Rider: The
Spanish Flu of 1918 and How it Changed the World
… we have a small favour to ask. Tens of millions have placed their
trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing
200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty,
solidarity and hope. More than 1.5 million supporters, from 180
countries, now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and
fiercely independent.
Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire
owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global
reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting
like this is vital for democracy, for fairness and to demand better from
the powerful.
And we provide all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this
because we believe in information equality. Greater numbers of people
can keep track of the global events shaping our world, understand their
impact on people and communities, and become inspired to take meaningful
action. Millions can benefit from open access to quality, truthful news,
regardless of their ability to pay for it.
If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution,
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HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 28, 2022, 11:28:52 PM3/28/22
to
the UK & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Freedom for Gaza
Mar 29, 2022, 1:24:23 PM3/29/22
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He's absolutely RAVENOUS for freshly-squeezed jew diarrhoea!
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 29, 2022, 1:31:02 PM3/29/22
to
"Freedom" on 03/29/22 tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
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someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
>Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
>He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
>
>'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
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someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
>Psalms
>81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
>open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
>Proverbs
>13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
>the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
>Joel
>2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
>the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
>people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
>Psalms
>107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
>Acts
>14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
>giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
>your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
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> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
Peeler
Mar 29, 2022, 2:37:07 PM3/29/22
to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:24:21 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Freedom for Gaza", farted
again:
> How many fucking times does he have to tell you, gook?
>
> He's absolutely RAVENOUS for freshly-squeezed jew diarrhoea!
Stop projecting, you deviated sexual cripple!
--
Gay anal serb peasant Goran ("Gordon" LOL) Razovic and the "Latin" she
learned from her limey priests:
"Caco ergo sum."
MID: <na43ich1glkrrsenv...@4ax.com>
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Freedom for Gaza", farted
again:
> How many fucking times does he have to tell you, gook?
>
> He's absolutely RAVENOUS for freshly-squeezed jew diarrhoea!
--
Gay anal serb peasant Goran ("Gordon" LOL) Razovic and the "Latin" she
learned from her limey priests:
"Caco ergo sum."
MID: <na43ich1glkrrsenv...@4ax.com>
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 29, 2022, 2:50:54 PM3/29/22
to
I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) and
hope you, Peeler, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
hope you, Peeler, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
Costas Skatadopoulopoulos
Mar 29, 2022, 3:42:56 PM3/29/22
to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 14:51:30 -0500, HeartQuack Andrew
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) and
>hope you, Peeler, also have a healthy appetite too.
>
>So how are you ?
The Foreskin PEELER, like his gook fiancee Miguel ("Michael"! LOL)
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) and
>hope you, Peeler, also have a healthy appetite too.
>
>So how are you ?
Ejershito, has an INSATIABLE appetite for freshly squeezed jew
diarrhoea, gook!
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 29, 2022, 4:13:34 PM3/29/22
to
"Costas" on 03/29/22 tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
Peeler
Mar 29, 2022, 4:43:44 PM3/29/22
to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:42:55 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
farted again:
> The Foreskin PEELER, like his gook fiancee Miguel ("Michael"! LOL)
> Ejershito, has an INSATIABLE appetite for freshly squeezed jew
> diarrhoea, gook!
Stop projecting your OWN deviations onto all those that you feel are
superior to you and straight unlike you, you sexually crippled perv!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Costas Skatadopoulopoulos",
farted again:
> The Foreskin PEELER, like his gook fiancee Miguel ("Michael"! LOL)
> Ejershito, has an INSATIABLE appetite for freshly squeezed jew
> diarrhoea, gook!
superior to you and straight unlike you, you sexually crippled perv!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$Szs1....@usenetxs.com>
ONLY in your wildest gay dreams, gay anal Razovic!
Costas Skatadopoulopoulos
Mar 29, 2022, 5:58:09 PM3/29/22
to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:13:59 -0500, HeartQuack Andrew
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
><begin trichotomy>
Never mind trichotomy, gook...try a penectomy!
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
><begin trichotomy>
Never mind trichotomy, gook...try a penectomy!
Peeler
Mar 29, 2022, 6:17:34 PM3/29/22
to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 22:58:08 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
sexual cripple! FAT chance! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$DQ1.1...@usenetxs.com>
NO, it isn't, you filthy old pedo swine!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Costas Skatadopoulopoulos",
farted again:
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Costas Skatadopoulopoulos",
farted again:
>><begin trichotomy>
>
> Never mind trichotomy, gook...try a penectomy!
You REALLY everyone would have the same fate as you, eh, you miserable
>
> Never mind trichotomy, gook...try a penectomy!
sexual cripple! FAT chance! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$DQ1.1...@usenetxs.com>
NO, it isn't, you filthy old pedo swine!
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 29, 2022, 6:26:19 PM3/29/22
to
"Costas" on 03/29/22 haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
Michael Ejercito
Mar 30, 2022, 11:27:57 PM3/30/22
to
You are still jealous of the woman in this picture.
http://www.instagram.com/p/B3BTZyAAckP/
She got what you CRAVE!
Michael
Michael Ejercito
Mar 30, 2022, 11:29:05 PM3/30/22
to
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Mar 31, 2022, 12:20:40 AM3/31/22
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
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