Whenever Jesus says anything, HIS words are Scripture.
Truth is simple.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear
neighbor Randy whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Noone would kill a person actually capable of miracle healing and raising
the dead.
Sure they would. You just proved it by calling Him a fraud!
Kurt's embarrassing himself is an adverse reaction to the awesome power
of intercessory prayers by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ made to
our heavenly Father lifting up those who have been convicted by the
Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear Terry
You need to improve your English. You can start by looking the word
'actually' up in the dictionary.
It is clear that Terry knows the meaning of "actually" and recognizes
that calling Jesus a fraud is name-calling:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose
to curse HIM) dear neighbor Kutchie whom I love unconditionally.
> Atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote:
> > terry wrote:
> >
> > > Kurt Gavin wrote in message ...
> > > >Jesus was known to be a fraud.
> > > >
> > > >Noone would kill a person actually capable of miracle healing and raising
> > > >the dead.
> > >
> > > Sure they would. You just proved it by calling Him a fraud!
> >
> > You need to improve your English. You can start by looking the word
> > 'actually' up in the dictionary.
>
> It is clear that Terry knows the meaning of "actually" and recognizes
> that calling Jesus a fraud is name-calling:
>
Saying that somebody who didn't exist is a fraud is not name-calling.
"Those who are compelled to call someone a fraud automatically reveal
that they believe that someone to exist." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Moron... I wasn't alive 1900 years ago when he was supposedly doing his
miracle works.
The Jewish priests and the Romans had their own intelligence sources telling
them what was happening among the people.
They never received any info that someone out there was ACTUALLY raising the
dead and doing miracle cures.
Your reply shows how stupid you people are.
Shithead. You couldn't figure out on your own why his reply was stupid.
>is an adverse reaction to the awesome power
There is and was no power to jesus, other than duping people.
If I'm wrong, bring him forward and let him prove his existence and power.
If you can't, then shut up.
>terry wrote:
>> Convicted Kurt Gavin wrote in message ...
>> >Jesus was known to be a fraud.
>> >
>> >Noone would kill a person actually capable of miracle healing and raising
>> >the dead.
>>
>> Sure they would. You just proved it by calling Him a fraud!
>
>Kurt's embarrassing himself is an adverse reaction to the awesome power
>of intercessory prayers by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ made to
>our heavenly Father lifting up those who have been convicted by the
>Holy Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
How is your kooky hate list evidence of your kooky assertion, Chunk?
And why am I *still* not on it?
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Really? We'll see.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Andrew B. Chung
> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>
> Really?
Yes.
> We'll see.
Ever seeing but not perceiving:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
> http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/LegalAgreement.aspx
Here I remain standing by the power and grace of LORD GOD Almighty.
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
Who are in the Holy Spirit here on usenet ?
You will know them by their real names seeing such boldness that you
know can only come from GOD, whom they will publicly profess to love
with all their hearts, souls, minds, and strengths.
Know that absolutely no one has lived to post anything here on usenet
that curses GOD, Who is the Creator of heaven and earth.
By this undeniable fact, you now know in your heart that GOD exists
though you may continue to deny HIM with your tongue and fingers on a
keyboard.
"Every knee will bend, every head will bow acknowledging that Jesus
Christ is KING of kings and LORD of lords." -- Holy Spirit
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose
to curse HIM as did psychologist Sigmund Freud when he died in
excruciating pain, overwhelming anxiety, and teeth gnashing panic) dear
neighbor Kutchie whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
You weren't alive during the Civil War, but does that mean it didn't
happen? Or at the origin of the Cosmos, but did it happen?
>
>The Jewish priests and the Romans had their own intelligence sources
telling
>them what was happening among the people.
The early Christian believers WERE Jewish!!
>
>They never received any info that someone out there was ACTUALLY raising
the
>dead and doing miracle cures.
Yes, it was well known! This just reveals you are interested in argument
for arguments sake and not a student of history.
>
>Your reply shows how stupid you people are.
>
>
You obviously haven't read the historical accounts (from inside and outside
the Church) about Christ. So while you want to throw out slurs and
infantile statements, you reveal the old truth that 'rudeness is a weak
man's substitute for strength, and cursing is an ignorants man's substitute
for knowledge.' So continue on your own in your rudeness and cursing. Just
remember, the one you mock will one day judge you according to *your
works.* And today, those who are responsible men, regardless of Christian
or non-christian, will judge you, by your pitiful attempt of dialogue, as a
fool.
Terry Ivy
Not all.
It remains my personal choice to refrain from judging others per the
kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love just a little bit more, dear Terry whom I love
Again - you show how stupid you are by not even understanding the argument.
Moron, the people living in the US during the Civil War were very aware of
the events, and they acted accordingly.
Moron, the point is that people with information WHILE JESUS WAS ALIVE,
obviously had no information that he was able to do mircle cures or raise
the dead. They had him executed - they would not have done that if their
information from infoments indicated he was actually able to do these
things.
By the way, moron, the Romans were superstitious people who were open to
religions they encountered. They would have been far more open minded about
"miracles" than the average person today.
>>
>>The Jewish priests and the Romans had their own intelligence sources
> telling
>>them what was happening among the people.
>
>
> The early Christian believers WERE Jewish!!
You are an idiot.
>Convicted atheist Kutchie wrote:
>
>http://redacted-kooklink
>
Still post editing and spamming your kooklink, Chunk?
> >
> > I do not recall wishing anything bad on you, I only fear that you be
> > distracted and distressed by issues that you do not need to deal with
> > at this time! I assure you that I only wish that you would know the
> > Love of God that passes understanding! He Loves you!
> >
> > The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
> > come in!
> >
> > Gatekeeper
> >
>
> sensi:
> Anyone who is *SECURE* in their relationship with God should
> always desire to learn more about other peoples experiences
> rather than just a handful of people. IF you are afraid
> to have your own experiences than by all means stick to the
> one basic law.
>
> God is love.
>
> And don't let anyone tell you different or tell you that the
> more you learn the easier it is to be distracted and
> distressed cause when they do it's them who are afraid to
> learn and grow and are the UN-believers of a magnificence
> love that far outshines the human desire to remain ignorant
> of many multitudes of things God is quite capable of showing
> you.
GOD is love ...
... kind ...
... just ...
... right ...
... spirit ...
... the way ...
... the truth ...
... the life ...
... omniscient ...
... omnipresent ...
... omnipotent ...
... infinite ...
... awesome ! ! !
HE is an infinite number of good superlatives :-)
It remains my choice to love HIM with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
It remains wise to reverently fear HIM so that HE will help you not
dread anything that is of this word:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love others a little bit more and HIM a lot more, dear sister Sensi
sensi:
Amen Andrew, and although you wrote down a list it doesn't
stop there. And for them to tell her He's less than any of
those things is because they don't believe in that kind of
awesome power. Thanks!
Correct.
If I attempted to write down everything that GOD is, all bandwidth on
usenet would be consumed and the atheists would then blame GOD :-)
> And for them to tell her He's less than any of
> those things is because they don't believe in that kind of
> awesome power.
It is our sinful nature to put GOD in the limited black box that is our
mind and not in the heart of our souls where HIS love creates the room
that we need to appreciate HIM.
> Thanks!
You are welcome :-)
All thanks, praises and glory to LORD Jesus Christ, Whom we love with
all our hearts, souls, minds, and strengths:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/love.asp
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love others a little be more and HIM a lot more, dear sister Sensi
===>Of course you do.
It is a "God" you created ion your own mind! -- L.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
> ===>Of course you do.
> It is a "God" you created ion your own mind! -- L.
If that were true, HE would not predate me.
It is clear that GOD has not blessed you with the gray matter required
for logic.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love others a little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more,
dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
===>"He" doesn't.
But, of course, you imagine that it is a "he",
and that "he" does.
Exactly as I stated.
>
> It is clear that GOD has not blessed you with the gray matter required
> for logic.
===>Of course not.
Your "god" had nothing to do with the excellent,
logical gray matter given by Nature through Evolution,
that resides in my head,
INSTEAD OF an imaginary deity, as found in yours.
You are truly one of the "fools for Chris"
(MOROI DIA CHRISTON - 1 Cor. 4:10). -- L.
There are none, except for a passage in Josephus that is obviously
forged.
> So while you want to throw out slurs and
> infantile statements, you reveal the old truth that 'rudeness is a weak
> man's substitute for strength, and cursing is an ignorants man's substitute
> for knowledge.' So continue on your own in your rudeness and cursing. Just
> remember, the one you mock will one day judge you according to *your
> works.* And today, those who are responsible men, regardless of Christian
> or non-christian, will judge you, by your pitiful attempt of dialogue, as a
> fool.
Judge not that Ye shall not be be judged, Terry. If he speaks with
sincerity and conviction and you speak from pride, it will be he who
rises to the Right Hand and you who are thrown to the firey lake. Pray
for humility and forebearance.
>
> Terry Ivy
If that were true, I would be GOD.
Bottomline: You are untruthful.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of
depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a little more
and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Libertarius whom I love
===>NON SEQUITUR.
Nothing you can possibly come up with could possibly
predate YOU!
If the god you produced in your mind did not predate you,
YOU would be "GOD"?
How does that follow?
Do you at least know the meaning of LOGIC? -- L.
Hardly.
> Nothing you can possibly come up with could possibly
> predate YOU!
Most assuredly, without doubt, my parents predate me.
Therefore, GOD, Creator of heaven and earth and my parents, predates
me.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of
depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our neighbors a
little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Libertarius
whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
> If the god you produced in your mind did not predate you,
[piggybacking]
>terry wrote:
>> Kurt Gavin wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >"terry" <sitting@hisdesk> wrote in message
>> >news:TsednZeO3KSxAPHY...@netdoor.com...
>> >>
>> >> Kurt Gavin wrote in message ...
>> >>>Jesus was known to be a fraud.
>> >>>
>> >>>Noone would kill a person actually capable of miracle healing and
>> raising
>> >>>the dead.
>> >> Sure they would. You just proved it by calling Him a fraud!
>> >
>> >Moron... I wasn't alive 1900 years ago when he was supposedly doing his
>> >miracle works.
>> You weren't alive during the Civil War, but does that mean it didn't
>> happen? Or at the origin of the Cosmos, but did it happen?
If the universe didn't exist we wouldn't be having this conversation.
However, that doesn't mean the sun was pulled across the sky by a space
travelling chariot and horses.
>> >The Jewish priests and the Romans had their own intelligence sources
>> telling
>> >them what was happening among the people.
>> The early Christian believers WERE Jewish!!
>> >They never received any info that someone out there was ACTUALLY raising
>> the
>> >dead and doing miracle cures.
>> Yes, it was well known! This just reveals you are interested in argument
>> for arguments sake and not a student of history.
[howling with mirth at the projectionist]
Translation: I can't rationally address points made so I must furiously
wave my arms, stomp my little feet, and red-faced project my status upon
others.
>> >Your reply shows how stupid you people are.
>> You obviously haven't read the historical accounts (from inside and outside
>> the Church) about Christ.
>
>There are none, except for a passage in Josephus that is obviously
>forged.
And, my understanding, is it addresses followers not 'Jesus.'
>> So while you want to throw out slurs and
>> infantile statements, you reveal the old truth that 'rudeness is a weak
>> man's substitute for strength, and cursing is an ignorants man's substitute
>> for knowledge.'
You've hoisted yourself on your own petard, infant.
>So continue on your own in your rudeness and cursing. Just
>> remember, the one you mock will one day judge you according to *your
>> works.* And today, those who are responsible men, regardless of Christian
>> or non-christian, will judge you, by your pitiful attempt of dialogue, as a
>> fool.
Wonderful self-description, Terry.
>Judge not that Ye shall not be be judged, Terry. If he speaks with
>sincerity and conviction and you speak from pride, it will be he who
>rises to the Right Hand and you who are thrown to the firey lake. Pray
>for humility and forebearance.
>
>
>>
>> Terry Ivy
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
Stoney, I'm not sure which comic book classic you've been reading lately,
but your take on the Christian position is, should we say, grossly
erroneous! :^) BTW, what do you attribute the origin of the universe to??
[snip]
>--
>Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
>shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
>at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
>be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
Now, Stoney, surely you do not expect anyone who is a Christian to take you
seriously while posting this type of hateful speech in your sig do you?
I've discussed things with you and many other athiests and agnostics within
'alt.atheism' in the past, and have enjoyed many respectful conversations
with those from differing worldviews. So, my question to you is, do you
look for respectful dialogue with anyone with an opposing worldview, or do
you only engage respectully with those who already agree with you?
Terry Ivy
I am sincerely interested in where you got the following quote:
> "Those who are compelled to call someone a fraud automatically reveal
> that they believe that someone to exist." -- Holy Spirit
>
I'm very conversant with the Bible and I cannot find any passage that
resembles that at all.
The attribution is as given.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Mike whom I love unconditionally.
Your answer is unclear. Do you claim to receive direct revelation?
If so I might have to take what you say another way.
Not for those with discerning hearts:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/discern.asp
> Do you claim to receive direct revelation?
No:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/scholarly.asp
> If so I might have to take what you say another way.
"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you
cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with
everyone born of the Spirit." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 3:8)
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
If so I might have to take what you say another way."
He teaches a heresy of his own invention. He mixes the taoist false
religion with christianity. In that false religion what is known as
"chi" he says is the Holy Spirit. When properly applied "chi" is said
to provide magical powers, including a "magical discernment" not shared
by others. When he speaks in the name of the Holy Spirit this is what
he means.
He also teaches that the Holy Trinity are 3 spirits in a system of 7
spirits and that all objects in the creation including stones and trees
have free will and souls. How does he know, "magical discernment" as
above.
Ah Ha! So he makes it up as he goes and claims authority of the Holy
Spirit.
That is what demon MWP would have you believe ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/16c279ece5fbd098?
... so that you would be tempted to unwisely blaspheme the Holy Spirit
as he has done and become totally consumed by holy fire from heaven as
has happened the AUK netcabal.com web site and to demon KG:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/859257a3ce7442dd?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
Chopping wood helps too. ;-B
It is not so straight forward as that. He seems to believe his internal
mental states and reactions to them are real. If one follows his
writings long enough a cycle appears that is better understood from a
clinical perspective and not a theological one.
I bother to respond to him because I don't want some new reader thinking
he is onto something new or valid from a spiritual perspective. Most
come to see this in time on their own because he will not tolerate any
questioning of his fixed belief system even from a sincere believer.
He then attacks them personally and accuses them of being demons etc.
because he has a pipeline to God using his "chi magical disernment".
>"Your answer is unclear. Do you claim to receive direct revelation?
What answer? Please learn to quote people,
when you respond to them. Do you really think
that the other person has no other messages to
read and is waiting around for yours and made
sure to memorize the previous messages? :)
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
.
He is needing voice recognition software to even quote himself these
days:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a86f8419ae04e337?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Dave whom I love unconditionally.
Those of this world are intent on crucifying the brethren of LORD Jesus
Christ just as they did the Messiah Himself.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Mack whom I love unconditionally.
Thanks. I'll stick to science especially as it comes to my health.
Demons won't bother me. trust me on this.
Thanks be to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength.
> I'll stick to science especially as it comes to my health.
Science is a false god for many and has healed no one.
> Demons won't bother me.
Actually, demon MWP has already bothered with you.
> trust me on this.
It remains my choice to trust only GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our neighbors a
Don't worry. The demon aboslutly can't harm me. Don't worry. Science
is not a god to those who truly understand science.
The demon absolutely can't harm me.
It remains my choice not to worry.
> The demon aboslutly can't harm me.
Correct if GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, does not allow it.
> Don't worry.
Your repeating this betrays the worry in your heart.
> Science
> is not a god to those who truly understand science.
Only those who truly know GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, truly
understand science.
> The demon absolutely can't harm me.
Your repeating this betrays the dread in your heart.
If you choose to reverently fear GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, HE
will help you dread nothing (especially not demons) that is of this
world:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
He seems to be trying to convince himself out of something he truly fears.
Indeed, the demons loitering here on usenet are feeding off the dread
that he has in his heart for things that are of this world:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
Fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not demons) that is of this
world:
The Evil dead are coming out because they fear the power of Christ during
this spiritual time of year.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote: