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Michael Ejercito
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Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster
Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
hoof and based on questionable advice
Jonathan Sumption
Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a
remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
being acknowledged.
Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign
and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in
mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
public messaging.
Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World
Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
(so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil
Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London published its notorious
“Report 9”. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a
measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
before the lockdown was announced.
And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective
vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months
on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges
from Sunak’s interview is that the government refused to take them into
account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In
government the issues were not even discussed. Sunak’s own attempts to
raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
buck-passing, claiming to be “following the science”.
Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political
question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think
about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one else’s job.
We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP
fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a
century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public
finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
£400 billion, or about £6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working
and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on
compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
£330 billion, a peacetime record.
Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went
undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and
dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast
backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than
Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal
Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between £90
billion and £350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be
permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime
minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective
responsibility.
Sunak blames the government’s hysterical public messaging for
aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not
stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
contributed to making the UK’s recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
dissent and inhibit discussion.
The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
prime minister’s political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that
emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel.
Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice
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Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster
Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
hoof and based on questionable advice
Jonathan Sumption
Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a
remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
being acknowledged.
Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign
and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in
mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
public messaging.
Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World
Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
(so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil
Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London published its notorious
“Report 9”. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a
measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
before the lockdown was announced.
And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective
vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months
on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges
from Sunak’s interview is that the government refused to take them into
account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In
government the issues were not even discussed. Sunak’s own attempts to
raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
buck-passing, claiming to be “following the science”.
Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political
question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think
about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one else’s job.
We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP
fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a
century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public
finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
£400 billion, or about £6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working
and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on
compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
£330 billion, a peacetime record.
Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went
undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and
dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast
backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than
Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal
Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between £90
billion and £350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be
permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime
minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective
responsibility.
Sunak blames the government’s hysterical public messaging for
aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not
stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
contributed to making the UK’s recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
dissent and inhibit discussion.
The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
prime minister’s political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that
emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel.
Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice
--
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www.avg.com
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 28, 2022, 11:12:20 PM8/28/22
to
the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Aug 28, 2022, 11:53:51 PM8/28/22
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Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 29, 2022, 12:08:11 AM8/29/22
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
(Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
Z Crazy
Aug 29, 2022, 12:59:56 AM8/29/22
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HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 29, 2022, 5:31:19 AM8/29/22
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"Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 16:16, and Revelation 6:6)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> +++
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, behold ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, here's how to stop sinning ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What about the serpent (aka satan) ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> overeat.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> allowed to confess it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Suggested background reading:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (1) What does Jesus want ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://WDJW.net
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> marathon runner)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source video from 2012:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More recent video from 2020:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bless you, Dr.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> right now too.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> So how are you?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > I'm fine, Doc...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
>> >> >> >> >> >> cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
>> >> >> >> >> >> 9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
>> >> >> >> >> >> both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
>> >> >> >> >> >> red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
>> >> >> >> >> >> attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
>> >> >> >> >> >> pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
>> >> >> >> >> >> try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
>> >> >> >> >> >> here that you are:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> So now how are you ?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Doing great, Doc...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're
>> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'm disappointed ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that
>> >> >> >> you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I am going out tonight ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> >> >> that you are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >
>> >> > I didn't ...
>> >>
>> >> Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> >> that you are:
>> >>
>> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >
>> > I just want ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ
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>> Again, I really advise a 22nd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
> That's good ...
Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
that you are:
So now again, how are you ?
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> >> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 16:16, and Revelation 6:6)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> +++
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, behold ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, here's how to stop sinning ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What about the serpent (aka satan) ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> overeat.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> allowed to confess it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Suggested background reading:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (1) What does Jesus want ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://WDJW.net
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> marathon runner)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source video from 2012:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More recent video from 2020:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bless you, Dr.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Source:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> right now too.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> So how are you?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > I'm fine, Doc...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
>> >> >> >> >> >> cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
>> >> >> >> >> >> 9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
>> >> >> >> >> >> both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
>> >> >> >> >> >> red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
>> >> >> >> >> >> attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
>> >> >> >> >> >> pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
>> >> >> >> >> >> try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
>> >> >> >> >> >> here that you are:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> So now how are you ?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Doing great, Doc...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're
>> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'm disappointed ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that
>> >> >> >> you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I am going out tonight ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> >> >> that you are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >> >
>> >> > I didn't ...
>> >>
>> >> Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> >> that you are:
>> >>
>> >> So now again, how are you ?
>> >
>> > I just want ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ
<intervening greetings and replies snipped>
>> Again, I really advise a 22nd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
> That's good ...
Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
that you are:
So now again, how are you ?
Z Crazy
Aug 29, 2022, 11:08:39 PM8/29/22
to
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 29, 2022, 11:53:37 PM8/29/22
to
>> Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
> I'm wonderfully horny ...
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
Again, I really advise a 24th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
Z Crazy
Aug 30, 2022, 3:00:01 PM8/30/22
to
HeartDoc Andrew
Aug 30, 2022, 3:09:52 PM8/30/22
to
>> Again, I really advise a 24th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
> What ...
>> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
>> that you are:
>>
>> So now again, how are you ?
>
Again, I really advise a 25th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
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