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Michael Ejercito
Feb 12, 2023, 11:33:52 AM2/12/23
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COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
boosters for young and healthy people
Published: February 10, 2023 11.41am EST
Author
Stephen Griffin
Associate Professor of Viral Oncology, University of Leeds
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The UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) recently
recommended that the current autumn booster campaign, offering
additional COVID vaccine doses to higher-risk groups, including people
with certain medical conditions and those aged over 50, will end on
February 12.
Vulnerable groups will be offered COVID boosters in autumn 2023, with
additional boosters in spring 2023 for those at highest risk. But, for a
large portion of people, there will be no more COVID vaccines.
The offer of third doses to everyone over 16 will be withdrawn after
February 12, with no indication it will be reinstated. The offer of
primary COVID vaccinations also looks likely to end during 2023 for most
people, including children.
So if you’re a non-vulnerable person aged under 50 who is yet to receive
a first, second, or third dose, come February 12 you may well have
missed your chance.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
In their statement, the JCVI highlight waning vaccine uptake, and note
rescinding the offer of third doses comes “as the transition continues
away from a pandemic emergency response”. Their message is that targeted
vaccination of the vulnerable is sufficient to allow us to “live” with
COVID.
This is shortsighted at best. It means that in the future,
paradoxically, most people will only obtain any immunity to SARS-CoV-2
(the virus causing COVID) by becoming infected. This contradicts the
fundamental premise of safe vaccination.
The pandemic remains unpredictable
In England there were roughly 135,000 direct COVID hospital admissions
in 2022, with around 33,000 deaths involving COVID (COVID was main
underlying cause in 66%).
Some 1.8 million people in the UK report suffering from long COVID for
at least 12 weeks, around 650,000 of whom developed the condition from
infections in 2022.
While endemic respiratory viruses cause one, or sometimes two, waves of
infection annually, SARS-CoV-2 isn’t seasonal, it’s pandemic and
perennial. 2022 saw five omicron waves in the UK, and another is starting.
Omicron has caused multiple waves because it evolves very quickly. This
allows SARS-CoV-2 to infect more people, despite vaccines and immunity
gained in previous waves, by evading prior antibody responses.
Read more: Six common COVID myths busted by a virologist and a public
health expert
Vaccination is better than infection – including in kids
Whether you have immunity from prior infection, vaccination, or both, a
growing narrative suggests it’s OK to catch SARS-CoV-2 unless you’re
“vulnerable”. But while both vaccination and prior infection reduce the
risk of serious consequences from COVID, they clearly don’t reduce it to
zero.
Also, protection wanes over time. Though no medicine is completely
risk-free, a booster vaccine can “top up” immunity safely, without the
considerable risks of an infection. And vaccines add significant
protection even if you’ve already had COVID.
Even in children, who are at reduced risk of severe COVID compared with
adults, vaccination has clear benefit. COVID is a major risk among
paediatric infections. Smaller risks are magnified when so many are
infected (as we saw in 2022, when the large majority of children under
11 caught COVID at least once). Vaccination also reduces the risk of
long COVID.
Strikingly, as many children under five are admitted to intensive care
with COVID as those aged between 45 and 54 (although the latter are now
mostly vaccinated). Risk declines in primary school-aged children, then
starts to build again through adolescence and into adulthood.
A child with a healthcare worker after receiving a vaccine.
The UK’s COVID vaccine rollout for children has been muddled.
FamVeld/Shutterstock
COVID vaccines provide children with excellent protection against severe
disease, though less so from infection. In the UK they’re only offered
to children who turned five before September 2022, making the UK an
outlier compared with many other wealthy countries, which offer COVID
vaccines consistently for children aged five and older.
COVID vaccines have also been approved in the UK for children under
five, but are not currently offered. This contrasts with a growing
number of countries including the US and Israel which now vaccinate this
youngest age group.
So it appears that children in the UK who were too young before
September 2022, or missed their primary doses, will soon have no
opportunity to get vaccinated against COVID unless they’re clinically
vulnerable. Instead, they face multiple infections.
Read more: COVID vaccine: children in England turning five will no
longer be offered a jab – here's why that’s bad news
Mixed messages
One-quarter of the English population remains unvaccinated. Most are
children, but this also includes nearly 30% of adults under 40. As well
as age, uptake varies with social deprivation and ethnicity,
exacerbating health inequalities.
Inconsistent messaging from politicians and health leaders, including
presenting infection in children as preferable to vaccination, has
probably played a key role in reducing vaccine uptake. The JCVI has been
at best lukewarm in its endorsement of vaccines for children.
In the face of this mixed messaging, it’s somewhat ironic they cite low
uptake as a reason for withdrawing current offers.
Removing choice from those who are as yet unvaccinated to come forward
is highly unusual and doesn’t occur for any other UK vaccine programme
we know of.
It also positions the UK apart from other wealthy countries which are
offering continual booster programmes. For example, Australia has been
offering fourth doses for some time and is shortly going to make fifth
doses available widely for adults. The US is also planning free annual
boosters for healthy adults and, crucially, continues vaccinations for
preschool children.
Vulnerable people will remain at risk
Paradoxically, those JCVI would seek to protect via targeted vaccination
are those least likely to respond well to vaccines. There is also a
dwindling number of therapeutics available in the UK to protect this
vulnerable group from serious disease if they do become infected.
Offering boosters and maintaining primary vaccines in the wider
population, ideally from preschool, would give added protection to
younger people or those currently unvaccinated. It would also indirectly
protect those who are vulnerable by reducing infections and onward
community transmission.
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COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
boosters for young and healthy people
Published: February 10, 2023 11.41am EST
Author
Stephen Griffin
Associate Professor of Viral Oncology, University of Leeds
Disclosure statement
Stephen Griffin is affiliated with Independent SAGE and is a Champion
for the Long COVID Kids Charity. Stephen would like to thank Christina
Pagel for her comments on an earlier draft of this article.
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University of Leeds
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Conversation UK.
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The UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) recently
recommended that the current autumn booster campaign, offering
additional COVID vaccine doses to higher-risk groups, including people
with certain medical conditions and those aged over 50, will end on
February 12.
Vulnerable groups will be offered COVID boosters in autumn 2023, with
additional boosters in spring 2023 for those at highest risk. But, for a
large portion of people, there will be no more COVID vaccines.
The offer of third doses to everyone over 16 will be withdrawn after
February 12, with no indication it will be reinstated. The offer of
primary COVID vaccinations also looks likely to end during 2023 for most
people, including children.
So if you’re a non-vulnerable person aged under 50 who is yet to receive
a first, second, or third dose, come February 12 you may well have
missed your chance.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
In their statement, the JCVI highlight waning vaccine uptake, and note
rescinding the offer of third doses comes “as the transition continues
away from a pandemic emergency response”. Their message is that targeted
vaccination of the vulnerable is sufficient to allow us to “live” with
COVID.
This is shortsighted at best. It means that in the future,
paradoxically, most people will only obtain any immunity to SARS-CoV-2
(the virus causing COVID) by becoming infected. This contradicts the
fundamental premise of safe vaccination.
The pandemic remains unpredictable
In England there were roughly 135,000 direct COVID hospital admissions
in 2022, with around 33,000 deaths involving COVID (COVID was main
underlying cause in 66%).
Some 1.8 million people in the UK report suffering from long COVID for
at least 12 weeks, around 650,000 of whom developed the condition from
infections in 2022.
While endemic respiratory viruses cause one, or sometimes two, waves of
infection annually, SARS-CoV-2 isn’t seasonal, it’s pandemic and
perennial. 2022 saw five omicron waves in the UK, and another is starting.
Omicron has caused multiple waves because it evolves very quickly. This
allows SARS-CoV-2 to infect more people, despite vaccines and immunity
gained in previous waves, by evading prior antibody responses.
Read more: Six common COVID myths busted by a virologist and a public
health expert
Vaccination is better than infection – including in kids
Whether you have immunity from prior infection, vaccination, or both, a
growing narrative suggests it’s OK to catch SARS-CoV-2 unless you’re
“vulnerable”. But while both vaccination and prior infection reduce the
risk of serious consequences from COVID, they clearly don’t reduce it to
zero.
Also, protection wanes over time. Though no medicine is completely
risk-free, a booster vaccine can “top up” immunity safely, without the
considerable risks of an infection. And vaccines add significant
protection even if you’ve already had COVID.
Even in children, who are at reduced risk of severe COVID compared with
adults, vaccination has clear benefit. COVID is a major risk among
paediatric infections. Smaller risks are magnified when so many are
infected (as we saw in 2022, when the large majority of children under
11 caught COVID at least once). Vaccination also reduces the risk of
long COVID.
Strikingly, as many children under five are admitted to intensive care
with COVID as those aged between 45 and 54 (although the latter are now
mostly vaccinated). Risk declines in primary school-aged children, then
starts to build again through adolescence and into adulthood.
A child with a healthcare worker after receiving a vaccine.
The UK’s COVID vaccine rollout for children has been muddled.
FamVeld/Shutterstock
COVID vaccines provide children with excellent protection against severe
disease, though less so from infection. In the UK they’re only offered
to children who turned five before September 2022, making the UK an
outlier compared with many other wealthy countries, which offer COVID
vaccines consistently for children aged five and older.
COVID vaccines have also been approved in the UK for children under
five, but are not currently offered. This contrasts with a growing
number of countries including the US and Israel which now vaccinate this
youngest age group.
So it appears that children in the UK who were too young before
September 2022, or missed their primary doses, will soon have no
opportunity to get vaccinated against COVID unless they’re clinically
vulnerable. Instead, they face multiple infections.
Read more: COVID vaccine: children in England turning five will no
longer be offered a jab – here's why that’s bad news
Mixed messages
One-quarter of the English population remains unvaccinated. Most are
children, but this also includes nearly 30% of adults under 40. As well
as age, uptake varies with social deprivation and ethnicity,
exacerbating health inequalities.
Inconsistent messaging from politicians and health leaders, including
presenting infection in children as preferable to vaccination, has
probably played a key role in reducing vaccine uptake. The JCVI has been
at best lukewarm in its endorsement of vaccines for children.
In the face of this mixed messaging, it’s somewhat ironic they cite low
uptake as a reason for withdrawing current offers.
Removing choice from those who are as yet unvaccinated to come forward
is highly unusual and doesn’t occur for any other UK vaccine programme
we know of.
It also positions the UK apart from other wealthy countries which are
offering continual booster programmes. For example, Australia has been
offering fourth doses for some time and is shortly going to make fifth
doses available widely for adults. The US is also planning free annual
boosters for healthy adults and, crucially, continues vaccinations for
preschool children.
Vulnerable people will remain at risk
Paradoxically, those JCVI would seek to protect via targeted vaccination
are those least likely to respond well to vaccines. There is also a
dwindling number of therapeutics available in the UK to protect this
vulnerable group from serious disease if they do become infected.
Offering boosters and maintaining primary vaccines in the wider
population, ideally from preschool, would give added protection to
younger people or those currently unvaccinated. It would also indirectly
protect those who are vulnerable by reducing infections and onward
community transmission.
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HeartDoc Andrew
Feb 12, 2023, 1:09:16 PM2/12/23
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the UK & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://WonderfullyHungry.org
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Michael Ejercito
Feb 12, 2023, 2:03:25 PM2/12/23
to
Michael
HeartDoc Andrew
Feb 12, 2023, 4:54:01 PM2/12/23
to
Michael Ejercito wrote:
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward
(John 15:12 as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all
glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba,
DEO), in the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward
(John 15:12 as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all
glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba,
DEO), in the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Suggested further reading:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ
Shorter link:
http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
(Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Feb 12, 2023, 4:59:57 PM2/12/23
to
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 08:33:38 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-why-the-uk-needs-to-rethink-its-decision-to-stop-boosters-for-young-and-healthy-people-199044
>
>
>COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
>boosters for young and healthy people
It's gooks like you who introduced COVID to the UK in the first place,
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-why-the-uk-needs-to-rethink-its-decision-to-stop-boosters-for-young-and-healthy-people-199044
>
>
>COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
>boosters for young and healthy people
gook!
--
Die Juden sind unser Unglück.
- Heinrich Gotthard Freiherr von Treitschke (1834-1896)
The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
Feb 12, 2023, 5:02:07 PM2/12/23
to
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:03:22 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
<b'rissed>
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
>>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
Really? No shit, gook!
Is this a typical banal 'conversation' between two gooks?
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>HeartQuack Andrew wrote:
>> NOT Michael Ejercito wrote:
<b'rissed>
>> Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
>>
>> So how are you ?
>>
> I am wonderfully hungry!
Is this a typical banal 'conversation' between two gooks?
HeartDoc Andrew
Feb 12, 2023, 5:15:13 PM2/12/23
to
(Christina) 02/12/23 REAL/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
> Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
> He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
these:
>
> '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
> Psalms
> 81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
> open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
> Proverbs
> 13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
stomach of
> the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
> Joel
> 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
> the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
> people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
> Psalms
> 107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
> Acts
> 14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
> giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
> your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
his
word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ
Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ
"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."
Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:
(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ
(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M
(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM
(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM
(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ
... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ
Laus DEO !
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ
<begin trichotomy>
(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).
(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.
(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.
<end trichotomy>
Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
> Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.
The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
> He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
these:
>
> '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.
That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."
Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.
Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.
It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."
No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."
Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.
All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.
Laus DEO !
+++
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
> Psalms
> 81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
> open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.
Laus DEO !
> Proverbs
> 13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
stomach of
> the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
> Joel
> 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
> the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
> people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.
Laus DEO ! !
> Psalms
> 107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
> Acts
> 14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
> giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
> your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ
+++
> someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
>> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
>>
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
>> Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
>> John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
>> status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
>> 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is
>> not in us.
>>
>> 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins,
>> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>
>> 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
his
word is
>> not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:
"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)
And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.
Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ
While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO ! ! !
Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.
Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Again, this is done ...
Peeler
Feb 12, 2023, 5:32:23 PM2/12/23
to
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 21:59:55 +0000, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "The REAL Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe", farted again:
>>https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-why-the-uk-needs-to-rethink-its-decision-to-stop-boosters-for-young-and-healthy-people-199044
>>
>>
>>COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
>>boosters for young and healthy people
>
> It's gooks like you who introduced COVID to the UK in the first place,
> gook!
More psychopathic NONSENSE, psychopathic pedo swine!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia? Do you
seriously think that a 12-year old who spends 15 hours a day on Facebook
doesn't know what's going on?"
MID: <FnMUE.676068$H25.2...@usenetxs.com>
So 12-year-olds are your thing, filthy old pedo swine?
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "The REAL Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe", farted again:
>>https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-why-the-uk-needs-to-rethink-its-decision-to-stop-boosters-for-young-and-healthy-people-199044
>>
>>
>>COVID vaccines: why the UK needs to rethink its decision to stop
>>boosters for young and healthy people
>
> It's gooks like you who introduced COVID to the UK in the first place,
> gook!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia? Do you
seriously think that a 12-year old who spends 15 hours a day on Facebook
doesn't know what's going on?"
MID: <FnMUE.676068$H25.2...@usenetxs.com>
So 12-year-olds are your thing, filthy old pedo swine?
Peeler
Feb 12, 2023, 5:35:12 PM2/12/23
to
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 22:02:03 +0000, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
psychopath Razovic herself, Usenet's most "famous" sexual cripple! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia?"
MID: <FnMUE.676068$H25.2...@usenetxs.com>
You will NEVER understand it, eh, filthy old pedo swine?
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "The REAL Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe", farted again:
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "The REAL Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe", farted again:
>> I am wonderfully hungry!
>
> Really? No shit, gook!
>
> Is this a typical banal 'conversation' between two gooks?
...projects, of course, the grand-master of banality, pedophilic serb
>
> Really? No shit, gook!
>
> Is this a typical banal 'conversation' between two gooks?
psychopath Razovic herself, Usenet's most "famous" sexual cripple! LOL
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia?"
You will NEVER understand it, eh, filthy old pedo swine?
HeartDoc Andrew
Feb 12, 2023, 5:41:04 PM2/12/23
to
(Christina) 02/12/23 Again greeting (Matt 5:47) Peeler here ...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/SgbSB5UVar4/m/bwzAGiroDAAJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/SgbSB5UVar4/m/bwzAGiroDAAJ
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