On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 16:50:06 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> Hell, on Windows I don't need to log into _any_ mother ship to do work.
> windows 11 home requires an msa account. it's *not* optional.
I'm on old equipment so I'm not allowed by M$ to be on Win11 yet. :)
But yes, nobody on Windows likes that Microsoft (as Apple has always done)
keeps tabs on them with the requirement for a login in Windows 11 now.
>> Same with Linux. And certainly the same with Android.
> android also requires a google id unless someone is willing to jump
> through numerous hoops and give up substantial functionality in doing
I'm going to try to be nicer to people like you, nospam, in the new year,
where it's amazing that you think something as simple as pressing "skip" is
"jumping through numerous hoops".
Just as with not having iTunes on a Windows computer gives you _more_
functionality than having it on your system, you're not capable of
understanding that _not_ having a Google Account set up on the phone gives
you _more_ privacy and functionality than you ever thought possible.
a. Google Play search filters become far _more_ functional.
b. YouTube functionality becomes _vastly_ more functional.
c. Your contacts and that of your children _remain_ private.
> you have claimed to have done that, except that not having a google id
> does absolutely nothing to stop google from tracking you. it actually
> has the opposite effect, for reasons you also do not understand.
Again, I'm going to be nicer to people like you who say idiotic things that
you have no concept of since you've _never_ even done something as simple as
hit the "skip" button in the Android setup, so I'll just refer you to the
fact that there are Google apps on your iOS device also, and, given it's
impossible on the crippled iOS to _not_ have to log into the mother ship to
obtain your apps, Apple has _better_ track of you than does Google in most
>> Why is it that _only_ on iOS you must log into the mother ship so that they
>> can track every app you download and what you do with that installed app?
> that is simply false.
> ios users do not 'log into the mother ship' and it's impossible for
> apple to track what someone does with 'that installed app', if they
> even cared (and they don't).
We've covered this in detail where Apple keeps _tons_ and tons and tons of
data about you which you simply can't avoid since with Android you can just
hit the "skip" button and you never need to log into a Google server again.
Back to the point of the mothership keeping tabs on the kids, not a single
parent has heard from the kids since 11 am where even then they weren't all
that chatty with us. They were descending down the mountain at 11 am so they
must have traversed a few ravines by now.
They have down sleeping bags, a closed-cell bedroll, small 1 and 2 man
tents, plastic bags as all-purpose tarps or raincoats, a very small amount
of water (they can drink from the creeks), a tiny bottle of pool bleach & an
eyedropper, wool socks and polypropylene wicking long johns, wool caps and
hats and cloth gloves, a second change of dry clothes in plastic bags, a
camp flint, a knife, a handle-free easy packing pot with a separate
collapsible pot holder, one set of climbing gear amongst the group with a
short length of about 50 feet or so of rope, and I had noticed vibram-soled
Justin boots for some of them, however most are in sneakers or light Merrels
but some were in sturdier Timberlands, almost all are using internal frame
backpacks (although my kid is using my external frame Jansport from the
seventies) which can hold a 3-person tent along the external upper rails and
the lighter sleeping gear on the lower rails, TP, etc.
> what you further fail to comprehend, despite having it been explained
> to you on more than one occasion, is that third party app developers on
> all platforms can and do use any of several analytics packages that
> *do* track what you do, and in some cases, with very fine granularity.
How is that Android app going to report back to the mother ship when the app
has no access to Internet via either the wi-fi or cellular on a app-by-app
basis by virtue of the fantastically functional NetGuard FOSS firewall that
iOS simply lacks the functionality of (all by its itty bitty self)?
* Simple to use
* No root required
* 100% open source
* No calling home
* No tracking or analytics
* No advertisements
* Actively developed and supported
* Android 5.1 and later supported
* IPv4/IPv6 TCP/UDP supported
* Tethering supported
* Optionally allow when screen on
* Optionally block when roaming
* Optionally block system applications
* Optionally notify when an application accesses the internet
* Optionally record network usage per application per address
It's only iOS (of all common consumer operating systems) which lacks the
basic functionality of a system wide firewall (all by its itty bitty self),
which is required in today's day & age what with telemetry data tracking.
*Tech Giants Apple and Google Track User Telemetry Data Without Consent*
"Both devices connect to their back-end servers every 4.5 minutes."
The difference is Apple _requires_ the poor unsuspecting iOS users to have
that easily tracked mothership account; Google can't.
> since you don't understand how any of that works, you are unable to
> block it, which means you *are* being tracked and data mined, despite
> thinking you are not. your ignorance actually puts you in a worse
> position than you otherwise would have been had you done nothing.
In the new year I will simply note that you Apple apologists can't fathom
that it's _only_ iOS (of all common consumer operating systems) that lacks
the system-wide functionality of a FOSS firewall such as NetGuard provides.
With respect to GPS location radios, you apologists _hate_ that iOS can't do
something as simple as set a mock location in the system settings (all by
its itty bitty self) which Android easily does as of the past few releases.
Can you imagine _Apple_ giving you that power to fake your location so
easily using the phone all by its itty bitty self working with the OS?
The fact you hate is that Apple tracks your location without your consent.
*How Apple tracks your location without consent, and why it matters*
Heck, no other system but iOS requires an entire second computer just to do
something as simple and basic as list all the user-installed apps into an
editable text file, to give you an idea of how crippled Apple made iOS.
For some reason you apologists _hate_ that Apple's crippled iOS can't do
even these, the simplest of basic tasks that _every_ other common consumer
operating system easily does (even that expensive Apple PC can do what
Android easily does - which shows it's just iOS which is crippled by Apple).
Bear in mind the iPhone hardware isn't all that far behind the Android
hardware in terms of functionality (save for the missing essentials such as
jacks and expansion memory) but it's simply that Apple cripples what apps
the user can put on the phone (such as spoofing your actual location).
*Apple Apps Continuing to Track Users Despite Apple's Privacy Prompt*
Google can't stop the user from installing apps that Google themselves hates
so much that they won't allow them on the Google Play repository, such as
this YouTube app or this Google Play client or even the fully functional
ad-blocking NetGuard firewall (the Google Play version is crippled).
YouTube on steroids <https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe
App Manager on steroids <https://github.com/MuntashirAkon/AppManager
Firewall on steroids <https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard
Google Play on steroids <https://github.com/whyorean/AuroraStore
>> Why can't iOS work with the privacy inherent in _every_ other common OS?
> because that would be a step backwards, making it *less* secure, the
> very opposite of what you claim to want.
The fact remains that Apple _requires_ you to have their cloud account which
they keep tabs on and whose information even Apple admits they provide to
others as they see fit for profit or for reporting purposes, whereas on
Android, the fact remains you simply hit the "skip" button and the phone
works just fine without an account on the mothership keeping track of you
like Apple does in spades.
*Apple Apps Track User Despite Refusing Consent - Here's Why*
Back on topic since the purposefully unhelpful fear mongering Apple
apologists _hate_ that Android has so much free, ad free, login free, FOSS
app functionality, the news so far is the kids are, at this very moment, on
the mountain somewhere, almost certainly in a ravine (gravity rules),
enjoying their 3-day backpacking adventure in the hundred acre wood.
No parent has heard from any of them (to my knowledge) since 11am when they
were still on the side of the mountain, but luckily the night is relatively
calm and clear at the Mount Umunhum (aka hummingbird) weather station
with lows in the 30s and 40s (which is no problem if they're dry).
Happy New Year and thanks go out to all the purposefully helpful
good-hearted people who simply wanted to help out in suggesting fully
functional free ad free login free offline iOS & Android navigation apps.
Given our children and grandchildren are on both iOS and Android, the two
cross platform nav apps which seem to be keepers (since they can work on
almost any map that you have in your possession) seem to be "Avenza" and
"Paper Maps", but certainly more testing is needed for me to confirm which
is better for back country off road off trail hiking navigation purposes.
iOS/Android *Avenza* <https://www.avenza.com/avenza-maps/
iOS/Android *Paper Maps* <https://www.paper-maps.com/