Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
Roger Coppock
Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
By LEE BIDGOOD
We face worldwide climate catastrophes, yet Americans generally rank
climate change low on their list of critical issues. Europeans scoff at
our indifference, but worry because the United States is the worst
emitter of greenhouse gases causing the problem, and our government's
inaction reflects grassroots opinion.
A writer for the Miami Herald puzzled why Americans neglect the climate
issue and concluded that something in our nature refuses to believe
that no matter what the threat, nothing really, really bad can happen.
The writer cited two examples: Terrorists alerted us in 1993 when they
bombed the World Trade Center, and subsequently, our intelligence
agencies learned that terrorists were taking flying lessons, but Sept.
11 surprised us. For decades, scientists and even tour guides pointed
out that New Orleans could be flooded and destroyed by a major
hurricane, but we did nothing before Katrina. Perhaps we have been
spoiled by a bland climate.
For only the last 12,000 years, Earth's climate has been relatively
stable and temperate. During this span, civilization began and
blossomed. The human population exploded and soon dominated all other
species. Prior to that stable climate period, our hunter-gatherer
ancestors survived oscillating ice ages and warm spells. Climate
stability in the past 12 millennia has depended on a steady low
concentration of greenhouse gases.
Carbon dioxide, methane and water vapor (not water droplets in clouds,
but invisible water vapor or humidity) plus a few other gases control
climate. Climatologists have learned about Earth's prehistoric climate
by studying air bubbles frozen in ancient ice cores extracted from
glaciers. Those studies combined with analyses of ancient sediments
from ocean and lake bottoms and tree-ring analyses have clarified our
picture of prehistoric climate and atmospheric greenhouse gas
variations. Atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations and the global
climate have been clearly linked for at least 650,000 years.
Mankind's success in achieving material-rich lifestyles threatens the
climate stability that facilitated our rise to power and domination. In
the last two centuries we have been burning ever-larger amounts of
fossil fuels and releasing growing tonnages of carbon dioxide
greenhouse gas. Deforestation adds to the emissions. As a result,
global temperatures are rising as carbon dioxide levels climb.
Ominous signs warn that we are destroying climate stability.
Temperature extremes around the rising average pose great danger. Hot
and cold spells are becoming more severe, frequent and destructive.
Precipitation has been arriving more often as deluges or blizzards,
between destructive droughts.
[ . . . ]
One reason Americans remain unconcerned about the global warming threat
is skillful lobbying and propaganda by industries that view greenhouse
gas emissions as essential to their profits. This July, coal-burning
utilities donated $150,000 to a professor who belittles global warming.
Another theme of fossil fuel profiteers is that greenhouse gas emission
limits would cost millions of jobs and wreck our economy. That is
nonsense. Britain's economy has grown 40 percent since 1990, while
cutting greenhouse gas emissions 14 percent during the same period.
Switching to renewable energy brings jobs.
[ . . . ]
We can only hope there is still time to prevent a climate catastrophe,
but we must persuade government to act promptly.
Bidgood, a retired chemist, lives in New Smyrna Beach.
Nosmo King .
@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
One concern that I don't see voiced that often, or often enough, is the
consequences of the melting of the North Polar Ice cap. Not just the
Greenland glaciers, but the sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean. The
consequences of the disruption of the ocean currents and rising sea level
notwithstanding, it is a prime factor in the "air conditioning" of the
Northen Hemishpere. To loose it, just think of your car air conditioner
going out because it lost it's coolant or the compressor went out.
Evidence now suggests that it's happening now, and when the ice is gone,
you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to heat waves.
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garbonzo
"Nosmo King ." <Marlboro@WinstonSalem,.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981549A48B...@38.119.97.2...
> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in news:1154677151.683035.44850
<snip>
>
> One concern that I don't see voiced that often, or often enough, is the
> consequences of the melting of the North Polar Ice cap. Not just the
> Greenland glaciers, but the sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean. The
> consequences of the disruption of the ocean currents and rising sea level
> notwithstanding, it is a prime factor in the "air conditioning" of the
> Northen Hemishpere. To loose it, just think of your car air conditioner
> going out because it lost it's coolant or the compressor went out.
> Evidence now suggests that it's happening now, and when the ice is gone,
> you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to heat waves.
One point. The melting of "sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean" will not
cause any increase in sea level. Only the melting of ice that is on land -
glaciers, much of antarctic, and so on, can cause sea level changes. The
effect of melting on salinity is another point to be concerned with.
Ryan.M...@gmail.com
are in bed with the government and nothing is moving at any real pace.
Oil companies, fossil fuel companies, the automotive industry, and
power companies all fill the pockets of politicians so that less money
can be spent on enviromental friendly alternatives. The president and
vice president have both been involved with the oil and gas industry.
This is another problem. E85 fuel and the availability of alternative
fuels have been around since the 1990s or earlier; solar and electric
cars have also had around 10 years on the market. Most cities in the
U.S. do not have proper recycling programs. In Germany, a person that
doesn't recycle can be fined. The home garbage must be separated into
recycling materials in Germany and if a neighbor sees that it is not
done can turn the violator in. Alternative power is also a big issue.
Due to the large areas where wind is readily available to harvest with
wind mill power, the companies do not build due to the cost of running
the wiring. Solar energy for houses? The cost is very expensive and
there is no immediate gain for the home owner. How about less estates
taxes for persons that have installed solar power units? This country
is too involved with others to understand that the U.S. is slowly
destroying the enviroment and the chances of a decent future for future
generations.
zzbu...@netscape.net
I suspect the reason Americans are unconcerned about
greenhouses because when you ask scientists what
the global population is going to be 2050, it's like 15 billion,
and they all say it's not a problem.
Since they already got coast to coast Los Angelos all mapped out.
Except there's no place to sell anything, since
all the people in the malls are scalping tickets
to Mars.
Sam Schredni
> Evidence now suggests that it's happening now, and when the ice is gone,
> you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to heat waves.
The best thing that could happen to we Northern Hemisphere people would be
the melting of the ice caps.
That would flood coastal land, forcing people to move inland. It would
also open up Siberia and most of Canada, giving us more land than when we
started. The Great Northern Migration would turn Canada and Russia into
frontier countries, with all the opportunities and jobs that would bring.
Meantime, the Japs and the Chinese would be working too hard staying alive
to manufacture Hondas and DVDs.
Nosmo King .
news:5sSdnZ6TvPpGrE7Z...@giganews.com:
>
> "Nosmo King ." <Marlboro@WinstonSalem,.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns981549A48B...@38.119.97.2...
>> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in
>> news:1154677151.683035.44850
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> One concern that I don't see voiced that often, or often enough, is
>> the consequences of the melting of the North Polar Ice cap. Not just
>> the Greenland glaciers, but the sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean.
>> The consequences of the disruption of the ocean currents and rising
>> sea level notwithstanding, it is a prime factor in the "air
>> conditioning" of the Northen Hemishpere. To loose it, just think of
>> your car air conditioner going out because it lost it's coolant or
>> the compressor went out. Evidence now suggests that it's happening
>> now, and when the ice is gone, you ain't seen nothing yet when it
>> comes to heat waves.
>
> One point. The melting of "sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean"
> will not cause any increase in sea level. Only the melting of ice
> that is on land - glaciers, much of antarctic, and so on, can cause
> sea level changes. The effect of melting on salinity is another point
> to be concerned with.
>
>>
Yes, quite true. Melting of the polar ice cap will not result in the rise
of sea levels in itself. But the general warming of the artic region will
have an effect on the Greeland glacier. I like to keep an eye on the ice
at Pt. Barrow, Alaska where I spent some time a few years ago. Here's the
link for a daily shot of what's happening.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/snowice/sea-lake-ice/barrow_webcam.html
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
>Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
>A writer for the Miami Herald puzzled why Americans neglect the climate issue...
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/118305.jpg
Mystery Solved.
Lloyd Parker
"garbonzo" <spam...@some.isp> wrote:
>
>"Nosmo King ." <Marlboro@WinstonSalem,.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns981549A48B...@38.119.97.2...
>> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in news:1154677151.683035.44850
>
><snip>
>
>>
>> One concern that I don't see voiced that often, or often enough, is the
>> consequences of the melting of the North Polar Ice cap. Not just the
>> Greenland glaciers, but the sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean. The
>> consequences of the disruption of the ocean currents and rising sea level
>> notwithstanding, it is a prime factor in the "air conditioning" of the
>> Northen Hemishpere. To loose it, just think of your car air conditioner
>> going out because it lost it's coolant or the compressor went out.
>> Evidence now suggests that it's happening now, and when the ice is gone,
>> you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to heat waves.
>
>One point. The melting of "sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean" will not
>cause any increase in sea level. Only the melting of ice that is on land -
>glaciers, much of antarctic, and so on, can cause sea level changes. The
>effect of melting on salinity is another point to be concerned with.
>
But rising temp., causing expansion of water, WILL cause an increase in sea
level.
garbonzo
"Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:eb00v4$cfh$1...@leto.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <5sSdnZ6TvPpGrE7Z...@giganews.com>,
> "garbonzo" <spam...@some.isp> wrote:
>>
>>"Nosmo King ." <Marlboro@WinstonSalem,.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns981549A48B...@38.119.97.2...
>>> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in
>>> news:1154677151.683035.44850
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>
>>> One concern that I don't see voiced that often, or often enough, is the
>>> consequences of the melting of the North Polar Ice cap. Not just the
>>> Greenland glaciers, but the sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean. The
>>> consequences of the disruption of the ocean currents and rising sea
>>> level
>>> notwithstanding, it is a prime factor in the "air conditioning" of the
>>> Northen Hemishpere. To loose it, just think of your car air conditioner
>>> going out because it lost it's coolant or the compressor went out.
>>> Evidence now suggests that it's happening now, and when the ice is gone,
>>> you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to heat waves.
>>
>>One point. The melting of "sea covering ice of the Arctic Ocean" will
>>not
>>cause any increase in sea level. Only the melting of ice that is on
>>glaciers, much of antarctic, and so on, can cause sea level changes. The
>>effect of melting on salinity is another point to be concerned with.
>>
>
> But rising temp., causing expansion of water, WILL cause an increase in
> sea
> level.
>
Interesting point. However, when water freezes, it expands in volume.
Obvously when it thaws, it reduces volume. How much does the reduction of
volume from thawing get offset by expansion due to warming?
hanson
news:1154677151....@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> August 04, 2006, Daytona Beach News-Journal, LEE BIDGOOD:
> Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
>
Why? ..."Help" like you are now begging for has historically
just bought us grief & hardship & not solved any problems.
We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
50 years.
We helped the Jews for the last 50 years with $3-4Billion/year
and they paid us back with goading Bush into the Iraq war and
now with a second war in Lebanon.
Now, you want us to help the environmentalists in their scam
to pay them more user fees. permit charges, enviro surtaxes
and carbon taxes?.. No siree Bob. Enough is enough. We don't
need more friends like that, this time the green shits.
No more "Help". Green turds shall boil and broil in their own
green shit.... After all, they said themselves in their green bible:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
>
> [Roger]
> Britain's economy has grown 40 percent since 1990, while cutting
> greenhouse gas emissions 14 percent during the same period.
>
[hanson]
....which Roger Poppcock or Lee plagiarized or parroted from
Al Gore's website...... ahahahaha... ahahahaha.... Google says:
:::::::: "Al Gore 2008 - Excerpt: Climate warriors and heroes. Since
1990, Britain has reduced its greenhouse-gas emissions by 14
%, while its economy has grown by 40 %. www.algore.org/index."
Why should I believe this parroting & crying for help when Al Gore
himself asks for his $$$$-green goals very truthfully in here:
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/118305.jpg
>
[Roger]
> Bidgood, a retired chemist, lives in New Smyrna Beach.
>
hanson]
and Lee is too old to realize that environmentalism is a scam
that works like this:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
Jim Black
> No more "Help". Green turds shall boil and broil in their own
> green shit.... After all, they said themselves in their green bible:
> = "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
> = believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
> = "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
> = accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
> = "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
> = mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
> = -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
> = a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Amen to that! If the environmentalists are interested in the truth,
then why do they still hype the idea that sea otters are endangered?
Or worse, elephants, whose population has recently *tripled*?
nathancool
garbonzo wrote:
> Interesting point. However, when water freezes, it expands in volume.
> Obvously when it thaws, it reduces volume. How much does the reduction of
> volume from thawing get offset by expansion due to warming?
>
Thermal expansion of water far exceeds sea level rise impacts compared
to ice formation since much of the frozen sea water gets deposited
outside of the oceans from where it originated: i.e. evaporated water
from the oceans freezes as snow, which then falls on land masses
(Greenland, Antarctica, the Rockies, etc.) from the natural
hydrological cycle, yet warming water remains in the ocean.
Math Freak
> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
> 50 years.
Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
power in control of every square inch of Europe,
including that chickenshit Island "Britain". You're the
one whining, Hassan. Not the Russians.
What did USA do for Russia? A few hundred locomotives I
remember, and cans of food. This is, again,
"chickenshit" compared with what Soviets decided to do
with the fate of Europe and a good part of USA's fate
as well.
Hassan I thought you were hit by a Hezbollah
firecracker or something in Lebannon or the vicinity.
There was no news of you. Good you're out and back
cause those eye-raininans are getting tempted to test a
few real things in there, in the name of Hezbollah of
course :)
--
"be zohde hamcho toyi yA be fesghe hamcho mani?"
- Hafez
hanson
Israeli mole as "Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com>,
wrote in news:bsi10x2sr9e1$.tmlfzp9cuqw6.dlg@40tude.net...
& is talking to hanson about Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah
Leader, for some reason and as usual Maleki has even his
anti-West propaganda wrong (hence the necessary :: corrections:)
>
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>> 50 years.
>
> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
> including that chickenshit Island "Britain". You're the
> Not the Russians.
>
> What did USA do for Russia? A few hundred locomotives I
> "chickenshit" compared with what Soviets decided to do
> with the fate of Europe and a good part of USA's fate
> as well.
>
... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>
[Maleki]
> Hassan :: Nasrallah, the Hezbollah Leader:: I thought was hit
> by a Hezbollah firecracker or something in Lebannon or the vicinity.
> There was no news of you. Good you're out and back
> cause those eye-raininans are getting tempted to test a
> few real things in there, in the name of Hezbollah of
> course :)
>
So, there was no news of me, but your guess is wrong Mehram.
I haven't been there, in your knack of the woods, since "Gleaner9".
I must confess that since I am not from there, I still would like to
hike and climb once again in the high Alborz Mtns. Magic Place.
Now,... here's what ought to bug you in your shameful submission.
The Pakis and the Bharats made their nukes, years ago. No sweat.
OTOH you Iranians are still retards, & so stupid that you got caught
with your hands in the cookie jar while attempting so. Now, your dream
of creating a MAD situation between you and the Jews has simply
deteriorated into a silly, mad situation because of your incompetence.
A real shame. Go ask your Allah what to do now. The other side is busy
consulting with their Yahweh & the Evangelicals are feverishly waiting
for Armageddon.... A real sick triangle that Abe started some 6KY ago
which you 3 collective-fool congregations are lapping up & are dying for..
ahahaha... ... ahahahaha.....
>
Here for old time sake, Mehram.... ahahaha....
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0d059c1c722995ce
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/68e33f843ec301fe
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/66c0daac5fb219f2
It apparently still cranks you mightily that I called you "Malecklig"
instead of Maleki, huh?... ahahaha... for "Mal" = Bad in French, and
"ecklig" = repulsive in German. But don't sweat it, Mehram.
There are Peabody's, Afterduft's, Cuntlif's and even Hassan's in the
phone books over here... BTW, are you a little green idiot, a class 3
enviro, Muslim style, that your responded to an environmental post?
For your benefit, Mehram:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
Thanks for the laughs, Mehram.... ahahaha... ahahanson
Math Freak
> ahahaha.... the Iranian Mehram Maleki is playing his role of an
> Israeli mole as "Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com>,
> wrote in news:bsi10x2sr9e1$.tmlfzp9cuqw6.dlg@40tude.net...
> & is talking to hanson about Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah
> Leader, for some reason and as usual Maleki has even his
> anti-West propaganda wrong (hence the necessary :: corrections:)
>>
"Hassan" is bad enough Hassan, don't make me call you
Nasrallah.
> [hanson]
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>>> 50 years.
>>
> [Maleki]
>> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
>> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
>> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
>> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain". You're the
>> one whining, Hassan :: Nasrallah, Hezbollah Leader::.
>> Not the Russians.
>>
>> What did USA do for Russia? A few hundred locomotives I
>> remember WRONGLY, and cans of food. This is, again,
>> "chickenshit" compared with what Soviets decided to do
>> with the fate of Europe and a good part of USA's fate
>> as well.
>>
> [hanson]
> ... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
> with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
> Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
> That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
> you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>>
The present reality that you've so successfully come to
grips with was, as I just pointed at, created by the
Russians. Those you accused of whining.
> [hanson]
> So, there was no news of me, but your guess is wrong Mehram.
> I haven't been there, in your knack of the woods, since "Gleaner9".
> I must confess that since I am not from there, I still would like to
> hike and climb once again in the high Alborz Mtns. Magic Place.
>
Were you in jail then? :)
> Now,... here's what ought to bug you in your shameful submission.
> The Pakis and the Bharats made their nukes, years ago. No sweat.
> OTOH you Iranians are still retards, & so stupid that you got caught
> with your hands in the cookie jar while attempting so. Now, your dream
> of creating a MAD situation between you and the Jews has simply
> deteriorated into a silly, mad situation because of your incompetence.
> A real shame.
You can say that again. Problem in Iran is that the
bright ones are dealing with heavy/high numbers. It is
not like in Israel where a fart reverberates and puts
part of those masses in motion. Have you ever tried to
make something understood for a bunch of people or
guys, students, customers, etc ? You can't just go
ahead and do it the best way that there is. You have to
become like the dumbest of them and go as fast as the
slowest. The situtation is a bit like that in Iran.
>>
> Here for old time sake, Mehram.... ahahaha....
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0d059c1c722995ce
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/68e33f843ec301fe
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/66c0daac5fb219f2
> It apparently still cranks you mightily that I called you "Malecklig"
> instead of Maleki, huh?... ahahaha... for "Mal" = Bad in French, and
> "ecklig" = repulsive in German. But don't sweat it, Mehram.
> There are Peabody's, Afterduft's, Cuntlif's and even Hassan's in the
> phone books over here...
No kidding. There's even a book that came out in your
absence titled, "Searching for Hassan" (by Terence
Ward).
>
> For your benefit, Mehram:
> Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
> ========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
> ...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
> institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
> enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
> HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
> responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
> ========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
> ... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
> the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
> ========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
> .. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
> something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
> the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
> green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
>
You're being of course unusually unfair, as usual. You
have to superpose all this on the fact that USA is also
a country that gives out the "Weekend Crash Course"
series of books :-)))) I don't care what else they do,
but a country that publishes Weekend Crash Course
series, the "For Dummies" series, the "Teach Yourself"
series of books, and even compartmentalizes romance
books just have to be a lovable country :) The world
would lose without it. All the more reason to be very
careful with your own countrimen not blowing this
amazing thing up.
--
"har cheh pish Ayad khosh Ayad."
hanson
>> Israeli mole as "Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com>,
>> wrote in news:bsi10x2sr9e1$.tmlfzp9cuqw6.dlg@40tude.net...
>> & is talking to hanson about Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah
>> Leader, for some reason and as usual Maleki has even his
>>>
[Mehram] (1)
> "Hassan" is bad enough Hassan, don't make me call you
> Nasrallah.
>
[hanson]
age still?...Are you a geriatric sub, Mehram? I pass, dude.
I don't care what you call me.... These are phantasms in/of
YOUR own feeble mind, not mine... ahahahaha...
>
>> [hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>>>> 50 years.
>>>
[Maleki]
>>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>>>
>> ... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
>> with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
>> Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
>> That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
>> you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>>>
> The present reality that you've so successfully come to
> grips with was, as I just pointed at, created by the
> Russians. Those you accused of whining.
>
[hanson]
Say something interesting, or provocative or at least funny.
>
>> [hanson]
>> So, there was no news of me, but your guess is wrong Mehram.
>> I haven't been there, in your knack of the woods, since "Gleaner9".
>> I must confess that since I am not from there, I still would like to
>> hike and climb once again in the high Alborz Mtns. Magic Place.
>>
> Were you in jail then? :)
>
Are you cranking yourself over me, Mehram? .... I appears
that way 'cuz that (3) of yours is even more pitiful than was
your (1) and (2) combined. Get a hold of yourself, Mehram,
You know fucken-A well what "Gleaner9" is. Or google for it.
You even asked me back then about it . Can't you remember
that?, or are you already that far into the twilight of your existence
that things are getting blurry and wash out?... What a shame!
BTW: since "jail" is on your mind, (are you in one Mehram, that
your current post is so feeble?) let me say that on one of my gigs,
while "prospecting" in the Upper Irrawady we indeed got caught ......
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.angst/msg/e9f9483991e63907
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/2521643c4b90d2da
>
>> [hanson]
>> Now,... here's what ought to bug you in your shameful submission.
>> The Pakis and the Bharats made their nukes, years ago. No sweat.
>> OTOH you Iranians are still retards, & so stupid that you got caught
>> with your hands in the cookie jar while attempting so. Now, your dream
>> of creating a MAD situation between you and the Jews has simply
>> deteriorated into a silly, mad situation because of your incompetence.
>> A real shame. -- Go ask your Allah what to do now. The other side is
>> busy
>> consulting with their Yahweh & the Evangelicals are feverishly waiting
>> for Armageddon.... A real sick triangle that Abe started some 6KY ago
>> which you 3 collective-fool congregations are lapping up & are dying
>> for..
>> ahahaha... ... ahahahaha.....
>
[Maleki] (3)
> You can say that again. Problem in Iran is that the
> bright ones are dealing with heavy/high numbers. It is
> not like in Israel where a fart reverberates and puts
> part of those masses in motion. Have you ever tried to
> make something understood for a bunch of people or
> guys, students, customers, etc ? You can't just go
> ahead and do it the best way that there is. You have to
> become like the dumbest of them and go as fast as the
> slowest. The situtation is a bit like that in Iran.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... You say "You have to become like the dumbest
of them and go as fast as the slowest.".... ahahaha....
Mehram, really and sincerely, this is your first post to me
where I have doubts about you because you have now
"become like the dumbest of them" .... ahahaha....
But, I guess we all get that way (like you are now) one day in
the sunset stretch of our life. So, you are forgiven, Mehram.
But I truly miss your fanatic out-bursts of Iranian Patriotism
and your aggrandizing megalomania about your Islam.
You had spunk then and you were fun to read, dude. I like
to hear how and what our potential adversaries really think.
>>>
[hanson]
>> Here for old time sake, Mehram.... ahahaha....
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0d059c1c722995ce
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/68e33f843ec301fe
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/66c0daac5fb219f2
>> It apparently still cranks you mightily ... But don't sweat it, Mehram.
>> There are Peabody's, Afterduft's, Cuntlif's and even Hassan's in the
>> phone books over here...
>
[Mehram]
> No kidding. There's even a book that came out in your
> absence titled, "Searching for Hassan" (by Terence Ward).
>
[hanson]
IOW, your are sweating it and it still cranks you. I am sorry
about that and perhaps I may not remind you of it again.
Maybe, perhaps, of course...... ahahahaha....
>
[hanson]
::: BTW, are you a little green idiot, a class 3 enviro,
::: Muslim style, that your responded to an environmental post?
>> For your benefit, Mehram:
>> Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
>> ========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
>> ...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
>> institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
>> enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
>> HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
>> responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
>> ========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
>> ... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
>> the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
>> ========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
>> .. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
>> something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
>> the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
>> green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
>>
[Mehram]
> *** You're being of course unusually unfair, as usual. You
> have to superpose all this on the fact that USA is also
> a country that gives out the "Weekend Crash Course"
> series of books :-)))) I don't care what else they do,
> but a country that publishes Weekend Crash Course
> series, the "For Dummies" series, the "Teach Yourself"
> series of books, and even compartmentalizes romance
> books just have to be a lovable country :) The world
> would lose without it. All the more reason to be very
> careful with your own countrimen not blowing this
> amazing thing up.
>
[hanson]
... Since you elected to snip the 2 ::: lines above and then
whine and complain in your *** line about it I must assume
that you are indeed a class 3 enviro, the closet type... ahahaha... .
The rest of your "superposition" advice in your para above
is on the same order of class and style as is your line below.
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... Thanks for the laughs.
Take care of yourself Mehram.
hanson
> --
[Mehram]
> "har cheh pissh Ayad khosh Ayad."
Jim Black
According to Colbert, of course ... :)
Math Freak
>>> [hanson]
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>>>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>>>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>>>>> 50 years.
>>>>
> [Maleki]
>>>> There was nothing in the world you could do with a
>>>> Soviet-German power in control of Europe,
>>>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>>>>
> [hanson]
>>> ... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
>>> with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
>>> Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
>>> That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
>>> you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>>>>
> [Maleki] (2)
>> The present reality that you've so successfully come to
>> grips with was, as I just pointed at, created by the
>> Russians. Those you accused of whining.
>>
> [hanson]
> Your retort (2) is as feeble and as unimaginative as was your (1).
> Say something interesting, or provocative or at least funny.
>>
I can always tell the truth about you for that. You're
right it doesn't take much imagination, yet you missed
it. You didn't really miss it, you're aware of it but
you just want to be a Westerner that you are and
pretend otherwise, hence your "lease/lend" pointer.
Do you know why you want to pretend otherwise? Reason
is you know that you ought to have your wives and
daughters sucked and fucked by every Russian that gets
to come to contact with them, as a result, and you
don't particularly enjoy this picture. That's why. A
Westerner in denial. Goes alongside with the ex-con
mentality to built the _totality_ of your psyche. See
truth itself does it. I don't need to do anything else.
--
"Ancheh andar vahm nAyad An konam"
- Mowlana
ivars.fa...@gmail.com
I guess somewhere in government they know it.
Ivars
hanson
I must have cranked you & then you cranked yourself, Mehram.
Irate, the Iranate, freaked out of shape as "Math Freak" aka
Mehram Maleki aka <Math...@FakeAddress.com>
w/i news:1wszty2t54b6o$.12iu3hjl3n4ns.dlg@40tude.net...
>
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>>>>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>>>>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>>>>>> 50 years.
>>>>>
[Maleki]
>>>>> There was nothing in the world you could do with a
>>>>> Soviet-German power in control of Europe,
>>>>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>>>>>
[hanson]
>>>> ... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
>>>> with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
>>>> Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
>>>> That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
>>>> you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>>>>>
[Maleki] (2)
>>> The present reality that you've so successfully come to
>>> grips with was, as I just pointed at, created by the
>>> Russians. Those you accused of whining.
>>>
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/382768a619de5ec9
>> Your retort (2) is as feeble & as unimaginative as was your (1).
>> Say something interesting, or provocative or at least funny.
>> [Til then] I, must assume that you are indeed a class 3 enviro,
>> a little green idiot, the closet type, Muslim style, that you
>> responded to an environmental post like that...ahahaha... .
>>The rest of your "superposition" advice in your para is on
>>the same order of class and style as is your line below.
>>>
[Mehram]
> "har cheh pissh Ayad khosh Ayad."
>
[hanson]
See Mehram, you can't each even spell "piss" right.
ahahaha... ...AHAHAHA...
>
[Mehram]
> I can always tell the truth about you for that.
>
[hanson]
... oui, mais seulement avec tu main dans tu trou de cue, Mehram.
Problem is, Mehram that you have become lately far, far from the
wise man of the Orient that you once pretended to be. Now, you
are leaking, pissing... incontinent... which is a shame, because
once you struck me as a man with intercontinental flair and pizzazz.
But not any longer since you engage (below) in violent erotic
phantasms and dreams....you, yourself don't even partake in.
>
[Mehram]
> Reason is you know that you ought to have your wives and
> daughters sucked and fucked by every Russian that gets
> to come to contact with them, as a result, and you
> don't particularly enjoy this picture.
>
[hanson]
Is that the common way how you treat your women in your
Allah culture? .... Bad scene for you, Mehran.
>
[Mehram]
> That's why. A Westerner in denial. Goes alongside with
> the ex-con mentality to built the _totality_ of your psyche.
> See truth itself does it. I don't need to do anything else.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... but, Mehram, you just wrote more "piss".
Get a hold of yourself, don't be so incontinent, Mehram.....
ahahaha....
>
[Mehram]
> "Ancheh andar vahm nAyad An konam"
> - Mowlana
>
[hanson]
Again, your 2-liner is utterly pitiful. Mehram... ahahaha...
It is "a con man"... not " An konam"... ahahaha...
Does this crank you again, Mehram?.... ahahaha.....
Marissa Kay
> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
The war was lost by the Axis the moment the Manhattan Project was
launched. If the USSR had sided with Germany, Eurasia would have all
come under American control the day after the first nuke was test
fired. Not a single soldier would have been needed to fight the war.
So, in fact, it's the exact opposite: the USSR ruined everything by
*not* siding with the Germans, dooming half of Europe (as well as
China, Tibet, northern Korea, Southeast Asia and (very nearly) Malaysia
and Indonesia) to nearly 60 years of living death that made Nazi
concentration camps look like the respite of the deliverance to a quick
death from a miserable world, in contrast.
mike3
Shut up with the insults. That's not how to argue.
>
> --
>
> "Ancheh andar vahm nAyad An konam"
>
What the frigg is this?!
> - Mowlana
Oily Criminals Corrupting Governments
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hanson
news:1155159104....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/122462ccdca5698f
>> >>>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>> >>>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>> >>>>> 50 years.
>> >>>>
Mehram Maleki aka <Math...@FakeAddress.com>
>> >>>> There was nothing in the world you could do with a
>> >>>> Soviet-German power in control of Europe,
>> >>>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>> >>>>
[hanson]
>> >>> ... you say: "There was nothing in the world you could do
>> >>> with a Soviet-German power in control"... ahahaha... But
>> >>> Mehram, you are dreaming that the world "could" be different.
>> >>> That is a classic dream of a geriatric religionist, a disciple, like
>> >>> you, who can't come to grips with reality any longer... ahaha..
>> >>>>
[Maleki] (2)
>> >> The present reality that you've so successfully come to
>> >> grips with was, as I just pointed at, created by the
>> >> Russians. Those you accused of whining.
>> >>
[hanson]
>> > Your retort (2) is as feeble and as unimaginative as was your (1).
>> > Say something interesting, or provocative or at least funny.
>> >>
>> I can always tell the truth about you for that. You're
>> right it doesn't take much imagination, yet you missed
>> it. You didn't really miss it, you're aware of it but
>> you just want to be a Westerner that you are and
>> pretend otherwise, hence your "lease/lend" pointer.
>>
>> Do you know why you want to pretend otherwise? Reason
>> is you know that you ought to have your wives and
>> daughters sucked and fucked by every Russian that gets
>> to come to contact with them, as a result, and you
>> don't particularly enjoy this picture. That's why. A
>> Westerner in denial. Goes alongside with the ex-con
>> mentality to built the _totality_ of your psyche. See
>> truth itself does it. I don't need to do anything else.
>>
> Shut up with the insults. That's not how to argue.
>
.... No, no, Mike. Don't make Mehram shut up.
It's good to know how our next potential enemy thinks & behaves.
Besides Mehram, like most people, is so funny when he gets mad.
... ahahahahahaha...
>
[Mehram to himself]
>> "Ancheh andar vahm nAyad An konam"
>>
[Mike
> What the frigg is this?!
>
Here are the explanations for it:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/b5c6dd7f2cf79b2b
... and at one time it appeared that Mehram capitalized the "A",
in his borrowed words of wisdom, to pay his respect to his
"Allah, the most merciful".... ahahahaha... But in his defense
it must be said that he is not anymore twisted by his Islam
then are the Evangelicals from the Armageddon Lobby or
the originators of this unholy triangle of Monotheism, the
Jews, who bang their heads against a stone wall and wail...
ahahahaha...
But, let'em sing!... all of'em!... it's a beautiful choir!...
ahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
news:1155155817....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
[The Irate Iranian, Mehram Maleki aka Math Freak wrote}:
>> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
>> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
>> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
>> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>
> The war was lost by the Axis the moment the Manhattan Project was
> launched. If the USSR had sided with Germany, Eurasia would have all
> come under American control the day after the first nuke was test
> fired. Not a single soldier would have been needed to fight the war.
>
> So, in fact, it's the exact opposite: the USSR ruined everything by
> *not* siding with the Germans, dooming half of Europe (as well as
> China, Tibet, northern Korea, Southeast Asia and (very nearly) Malaysia
> and Indonesia) to nearly 60 years of living death that made Nazi
> concentration camps look like the respite of the deliverance to a quick
> death from a miserable world, in contrast.
>
But, Rissa, irate Grandpa Maleki does not wanna hear that.
He does his buttering up and praising the Ruskis for a very
practical, pragmatic reason of Iranian national security.
IIRC, the Iranians have an old pact with their northern Russian
neighbors, that allows the Ruskies, unilaterally, to invade & "rescue"
Persia, well, today's Iran. Mehram lives right at their border.
Hence, understandly, his somewhat phony, but cautionary attitude:
"You'll never know... What if..." ...So, Merham is hedging his bets.
Can you blame him?
Thanks for the laughs,
ahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
ahahaha... Rissa, by all means, have fun with "Awe Shit"... ahaha...
google/groups --[ sci.environment "Awe Shit" ]-- .... ahahaha...
He, "Awe Shit", a Jew, like many Jews, is understandably disturbed
over the mayhem they have stirred up in the ME & of course he/them
do now frantic cyber damage control by blogging & posting under
the auspices of their holocaust industry, who are sponsoring a
regurgitation on their old KZ films, every evening on TV in the US,
as if we, the Amis, would be guilty to have gassed the Yidds... yet,
these dumb Jews do little realize that they are & will create, foster
and promulgate even more Anti-Semitism then there already is
with/thru this whining of their holocaust industry... which BTW is carefully
avoiding to tell the world that globally there were 200 million people
murdered in genocides during the 20th century. This gruesome
number reduces the toll of the 6 million Jews to a mere 3% of the
total, yet the holocaust industryr makes 97% of the noise over it
... and all of it only for their own $$$$ benefit..... ahahahaha.....
OTOH, I really can't blame'em. Not even poor "Awe Shit".
I'd probably do the same thing were in their unfortunate shoes....
ahahahaha... ahahanson
>
"Awe Shit" known here as "Oily Criminals Corrupting Governments"
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> "Marissa Kay" <mari...@fastmail.fm> wrote in
> news:1155155817....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Math Freak wrote:
>>> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
>>> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
>>> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
>>> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
>>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain".
>>
>> The war was lost by the Axis the moment the Manhattan Project was
>> launched. If the USSR had sided with Germany, Eurasia would have all
>> come under American control the day after the first nuke was test
>> fired. Not a single soldier would have been needed to fight the war.
>>
>> So, in fact, it's the exact opposite: the USSR ruined everything by
>> *not* siding with the Germans, dooming half of Europe (as well as
>> China, Tibet, northern Korea, Southeast Asia and (very nearly) Malaysia
>> and Indonesia) to nearly 60 years of living death that made Nazi
>> concentration camps look like the respite of the deliverance to a quick
>> death from a miserable world, in contrast.
>
["Awe Shit"
Oily Criminals Corrupting Governments
sometimes even tried to converse with you, but now you are in the killfile
doghouse for 100 days. Come up with a new schtick while you are sitting in
the corner with your duncecap on.
hanson
See, Rissa, how one can have fun with "Awe Shit".... ahahaha...
----- google/groups --[ sci.environment "Awe Shit" ]-- ....
He's now posting as "Oily Criminals Corrupting Governments"
but he responds like clock work to the call-word "Awe shit".....
ahahahaha... Usually he posts to make environmentalists/greenies
look real stupid. Now, he has expanded his repertoire to do the
same for/to the Jews.... ahahaha... He is good at it.....
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
>
"Oily Criminals Corrupting Governments" <Exxon-...@RacketeersR.US>
wrote in message news:Xns981AB05938996cl...@207.115.17.102...
[hanson]
"Awe Shit".... awe. I am gonna cry a river because of your punishment
of you having put me into your killfile for 100 days.... awe... ahahaha...
awe..
The test of course will be whether you can count to 100, which is doubtful.
Here is, one more time, for old time's sake the post that cranked you
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/3d59ee5c3cb80976
BTW, if you wish to converse with me then you have to show a *permanent*
name/nym that shows some (cyber) backbone of homo sapiens that stands
as the author of his post and not just signed by a nym that reflect your
notions.
I don't **converse** with "Oily criminals", "Corrupting", "Exxon-Thieves",
nor
your Melch...@USA.com> aka "Milkshisdick" aka scien...@sbcglobal.net
aka xx...@evilfucker.com aka Ga...@sbcglobal.net aka
Prick Bo...@ProfessionalPrick.com aka aka bush_au...@sbcglobal.net
nor any other of your few hundred phantasms that you have used.
With those I will continue to have fun... ahahahaha......
So, thanks for the laughs, "Awe Shit". You are always good for a chuckle.
ahahaha.... ahahanson
Morton Davis
hanson
in message news:V%wCg.886044$084.264642@attbi_s22...[hanson]
ahahahaha ... well, well, your <plonk> is not a very good damage
control mechanism/operation. It is about as counterproductive as
is the slew of KZ-TV shows (courtesy Holocaust industry) that the
US public has to endure again... But then, you are merely a dilettante
Mort, and you sound a lot like Poster "Awe Shit", ....or are you trying
suck up to me and compete with "Awe Shit' for my attention?...
What is this world coming to?... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, Mort, and don't feel so Mortally wounded.
So, let me repeat for your benefit and healing, what this is all about:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/3d59ee5c3cb80976
ahahaha... ahahanson
Bob Cain
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:58:46 GMT, hanson wrote:
>
>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>> 50 years.
>
> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
> including that chickenshit Island "Britain". You're the
> one whining, Hassan. Not the Russians.
Huh? Russia, as personified by Stalin, _DID_ side with the Germans in
the panicky non-aggression pact he believed would save his hide. For
Hitler it was just a diversion to build strength and keep them out of
his way. No way would he have allowed the (sub-human) Russians to
join in his fight but its a good bet that Stalin would have jumped to
it if asked. Hitler long planned to eliminate most Russians, leaving
only a docile fraction as a slave population to serve the Germans that
would re-populate it after conquest and to serve up its natural
resources (oil not being the least among them) in order to fuel and
provide the materials for the building of the post war European reich.
When he felt the time was right and Stalin was off guard (and more
than a bit complacent) he launched his Russian annihilation campaign.
Stupid boy.
Hitler details all of this, and his fatal assessment of Russians as
sub-human, in the book "Hitler's Table Talk" written from the notes of
Bormann's adjutants assigned the task of recording everything Hitler
said in these loquacious and endless dinner events. The book is
banal, boring and fascinating all at once.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
hanson
Sponge Bob aka "Bob Cain" <arc...@arcanemethods.com>
cained the irate Iranian "Math Freak" aka "Mehrem Maleki" who wrote:
>
[hanson]
>> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:58:46 GMT, hanson wrote:
>>> We helped the Soviets with $ Billions in Lend/Lease when
>>> they whined and they paid us back with the cold war lasting
>>> 50 years.
>>
>> Huh. Soviet Union saved your asses big time by deciding
>> to fight Germans instead of siding with them. There was
>> nothing in the world you could do with a Soviet-German
>> power in control of every square inch of Europe,
>> including that chickenshit Island "Britain". You're the
>> one whining, Hassan. Not the Russians.
>
> Huh? Russia, as personified by Stalin, _DID_ side with the Germans in
> the panicky non-aggression pact he believed would save his hide. For
> Hitler it was just a diversion to build strength and keep them out of
> his way. No way would he have allowed the (sub-human) Russians to
> join in his fight but its a good bet that Stalin would have jumped to
> it if asked. Hitler long planned to eliminate most Russians, leaving
> only a docile fraction as a slave population to serve the Germans that
> would re-populate it after conquest and to serve up its natural
> resources (oil not being the least among them) in order to fuel and
> provide the materials for the building of the post war European reich.
> When he felt the time was right and Stalin was off guard (and more
> than a bit complacent) he launched his Russian annihilation campaign.
> Stupid boy.
>
> Hitler details all of this, and his fatal assessment of Russians as
> sub-human, in the book "Hitler's Table Talk" written from the notes of
> Bormann's adjutants assigned the task of recording everything Hitler
> said in these loquacious and endless dinner events. The book is
> banal, boring and fascinating all at once.
> Bob
> --
Bob, the current official political Iranian party line will not accept any
of your views, be they factual or not. Maleki is a geriatric Iranian
who does his Allah/patriotic "duty".... ahahaha... Years ago, Maleki
was a very nice, learned chap, who like many got twisted & bent in
this insane war of the 3 Monotheistic faiths. Viewed from some angle
this collective, religious idiocy looks like a new crusade by the Jews
AND the Evangelicals, or conversely an ordained spread of the youngest
spawn of the cursed Monotheistic religions, Islam, that Abraham (an Arab
cum Jew, from Ur in Chaldea, current day Iraq) originated some 6KY ago.
There is and will be no solution to this curse in sight as long as people
are kneeling, venting their ass, or bobbing their head against a wall
to receive instructions/dispensations from their deity (Yahweh, God
or Allah) to kill each other... AND doing it but denying that they do so....
ahahaha... ahahahanson
Math Freak
> Huh? Russia, as personified by Stalin, _DID_ side with the Germans in
> the panicky non-aggression pact he believed would save his hide. For
> Hitler it was just a diversion to build strength and keep them out of
> his way.
No. Although you may have actually gotten this
impression from a single source. The truth of that
matter is spread into many sources. Plus I don't know
how the crooks in your media have been depicting this
in the last two decades. I haven't taken a look since.
The decision was made when the pact was broken, not
when it formed. The pact was broken, in semi-secrecy,
in a Soviet delegate's visit with Hitler. From then on
Stalin was struggling for time knowing Hitler's best
option was, if there could be one, to go after the
number one problem for Germany.
Hitler acted _after_ the fact when he decided to invade
Russia. And calling it an "invasion" is a misnomer
because he acted as a victim, the victim of Stalin's
decision to turn against him. He did not have much to
gain other than destroying the country of a betrayer to
his plans before his own country's downfall would
begin.
Some more realistic Germans went on with the decision
to invade Russia because they were under the impression
(like any sane mind would) that after an initial
invasion another pact would ensue, something perhaps
"begged" by Stalin, which at worst would end in
creation of a safe zone around Germany on the Eastern
front, and at best another partly occupied scenario
like what had taken place in France. Nobody gave that
picture anything more than a few weeks of war. But
Hitler had other plans that rest of Germans soon found
out and gave them their first dark thoughts. Hitler
deliberately conducted the first phase of that invasion
in a manner to destroy any prospect of such pacts with
Russians. Against all warfare norms hundreds of
thousands of Russians were trapped by Germans and
executed. This happened in about every major city on
their way in. Winning was not the objective,
annihilation was.
--
"There are some people that if they don't know, you
can't tell 'em."
- Louis Armstrong
Math Freak
> ... oui, mais seulement avec tu main dans tu trou de cue, Mehram.
> Problem is, Mehram that you have become lately far, far from the
> wise man of the Orient that you once pretended to be. Now, you
> are leaking, pissing... incontinent... which is a shame, because
> once you struck me as a man with intercontinental flair and pizzazz.
> But not any longer since you engage (below) in violent erotic
> phantasms and dreams....you, yourself don't even partake in.
I guess that's your way of taking your "lend/lease"
crap back. Go after your greens now if you want.
--
"vaghti nist, nist!"
hanson
AHAHAHAHA..... Mehram Maleki cranked ed himself girevously as
"Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com> who
wrote in message news:54jju7bl6bi2$.7acethi3hvig$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:17:00 GMT, hanson wrote:
>> ... oui, mais seulement avec tu main dans tu trou de cue, Mehram.
>> Problem is, Mehram that you have become lately far, far from the
>> wise man of the Orient that you once pretended to be. Now, you
>> are leaking, pissing... incontinent... which is a shame, because
>> once you struck me as a man with intercontinental flair and pizzazz.
>> But not any longer since you engage (below) in violent erotic
>> phantasms and dreams....you, yourself don't even partake in.
>
[Mehram]
> I guess that's your way of taking your "lend/lease" crap back.
> Go after your greens now if you want.
>
[hanson]
Awe, awe, Mehram, do you suffer from the after-effects of the
full moon of a few days back? ..... ahahahaha.....
Thanks for the laughs.... ahahaha.... ahahahanson
Peter Bjørn Perlsø
> August 04, 2006, Daytona Beach News-Journal
>
> Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
Of course:
Support nuclear power, and in the future, solar power.
Get a hybrid car.
Use high-efficiency light bulbs.
Improve your house's insulation.
Get an LCD monitor to replace your aging CRT for your computer. Ditto
for your television. Set yoru computers monitor to turn off after 15
minutes when you're away.
etc.
Political solutions omitted.
--
regards, Peter B. Perlsų - liberterran.org, siad.dk
"The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They
want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."
- James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union
Drunk Cheney Shoots His Own Face
> I think any American who believes CO2 is causing global
> warming and yet does not want to see gas raised to at
> least 5.00 per gallon gas is doing nothing more than
> blowing steam out his/her ass.
Do you think we can tap this steam as alternative energy? What makes you think that if Exxon already
makes more money than God and doesn't do squat, that giving them even more and more money would make
more squat?
The Ghost In The Machine
<wst...@autonet.com>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:46:37 -0500
<12dupbq...@news.supernews.com>:
> Peter Bjørn Perlsø wrote:
>
>> Roger Coppock <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> August 04, 2006, Daytona Beach News-Journal
>>>
>>> Americans can help prevent catastrophic climate change
>>
>> Of course:
>
>
> A fair price to pay would be $5.00 per gallon. This
> would put fuel in line with the rest of the world and
> encourage conservation. Vehicles that require 15-20
> liters of fuel to go 100 Km would not be common on
> the roads like they are today.
It might be worth noting that we're paying about $0.60
in taxes for a gallon of fuel now ($0.24 sales, $0.09
state excise, $0.09 Federal excise). You're suggesting
raising these to $2.60 per gallon. I'll admit part of me
likes the idea, but part of me does not, and there might
be other issues -- for instance, do subcontracted agencies
such as Caltrain (in California) or Amtrak pay these taxes
as well for diesel fuel, or not? If they don't, then
everyone will take the train as it suddenly becomes cheaper. :-)
(Probably a good idea anyway.)
Of course, vehicles with 15 mpg (= 15.68 liters/100 km) will
take time to change out of the US economy, so don't expect
instant results.
>
> Monies raised through the taxation would be more than
> adequate to fund the development and establishment of
> alternative energy sources.
Hard to say without some computations. If one assumes
all of the 20 million barrels of oil per day are refined
into gasoline with a 1:1 volume ratio (I'd have to look),
one gets 620 million gallons of gasoline. This would
yield almost half a trillion more in taxes per year --
and almost half a trillion sucked out of the economy.
This is going to cause a bit of ambivalence, but it would
take care of the current Federal deficit and then some.
(It might also destroy the current economy -- but given
what Bush43 has done already that might be a minor thing
at this point. :-) )
>
> I think any American who believes CO2 is causing global
> warming and yet does not want to see gas raised to at
> least 5.00 per gallon gas is doing nothing more than
> blowing steam out his/her ass. They are not serious
> at all.
>
There are also issues with coal-fired electric power
plants. I'm not sure natural gas is as much of a problem,
since CH4 is also a global warming gas.
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Windows Vista. Because it's time to refresh your hardware. Trust us.
Bob Cain
> The decision was made when the pact was broken, not
> when it formed. The pact was broken, in semi-secrecy,
> in a Soviet delegate's visit with Hitler. From then on
> Stalin was struggling for time knowing Hitler's best
> option was, if there could be one, to go after the
> number one problem for Germany.
Interesting theory. What was it that this delegate supposedly told
Hitler?
Peter Bjørn Perlsø
> > Monies raised through the taxation would be more than
> > adequate to fund the development and establishment of
> > alternative energy sources.
>
> Hard to say without some computations. If one assumes
> all of the 20 million barrels of oil per day are refined
> into gasoline with a 1:1 volume ratio (I'd have to look),
> one gets 620 million gallons of gasoline. This would
> yield almost half a trillion more in taxes per year --
> and almost half a trillion sucked out of the economy.
> This is going to cause a bit of ambivalence, but it would
> take care of the current Federal deficit and then some.
> (It might also destroy the current economy -- but given
> what Bush43 has done already that might be a minor thing
> at this point. :-) )
I'd support it IF they powers that be abolish the federal income tax
while they're at it.
>
> >
> > I think any American who believes CO2 is causing global
> > warming and yet does not want to see gas raised to at
> > least 5.00 per gallon gas is doing nothing more than
> > blowing steam out his/her ass. They are not serious
> > at all.
> >
>
> There are also issues with coal-fired electric power
> plants. I'm not sure natural gas is as much of a problem,
> since CH4 is also a global warming gas.
Eh? Gas power plants burn CH4. BTW, natural gas plants deliver more
electrical energy per emitted unit of CO2:
http://www.powerfrontiers.com/gas.html
http://static.flickr.com/73/192849480_e277fc944c_o.gif
Math Freak
> Math Freak wrote:
>
>> The decision was made when the pact was broken, not
>> when it formed. The pact was broken, in semi-secrecy,
>> in a Soviet delegate's visit with Hitler. From then on
>> Stalin was struggling for time knowing Hitler's best
>> option was, if there could be one, to go after the
>> number one problem for Germany.
>
> Interesting theory. What was it that this delegate supposedly told
> Hitler?
>
>
> Bob
Why don't you dig it yourself :) A few guidelines:
Start with the man in charge of foreign policy matters
for USA during those years, Byrne. Note that his
opinion was formed (expressed in his book, "Speaking
Frankly") without the knowledge of the Brits' extensive
communications with Soviet Union prior to the latter's
meeting with Hitler. So he concluded there that
"Molotov goofed it up in his visit with Hitler", or
something to that effect. Wrong conclusion, but this
source will at least show you when Stalin's decision
was let known to Hitler.
Then follow the contents of the matters discussed in
the three or four British delegates' visits to Moscow
in the months prior to Molotov's meeting with Hitler.
To get to this you'll have to refer to more than one
source, perhaps including the diaries of the
translators present in those meetings (published years
later).
In those meetings the Brits begged Stalin to break off
with Germany, and they did it for good reasons. Already
Hitler had offered a plan to Stalin in which Britain
would be a part of Soviet Union. As a matter of fact
Hitler was under the impression that this was a done
deal. If you study what went on in those meetings
you'll see that the Soviets were disgusted by the
Britain's so-called "communists" (a bunch of
hypocrites, similar to the Black middle-class
characters in USA taking up Blacks' "cause") and did
not trust much of what their conservatives said or
proposed either. But the delegates did an ace job in
elucidating the long-term picture of living with a
large Nazi German power, this persuaded the top Soviets
to think hard. The last delegate considered its mission
a success although Soviets had only listened and no
decisions/agreements of any sort were yet made.
At some point after that, but certainly before
Molotov's visit with Hitler, Stalin must've convinced
himself that for the Soviet Union living with what you
and me came to know as "Western European countries"
would be easier than living with a new fully fledged
Rome in the form of a Nazi Germany in charge of all the
areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea.
This is the skeleton of that matter. Consequences of it
were enormous for Britain (and Europe). To set you
straight on this picture I must say that, essentially,
at least "in a way", Britain became Soviet Union's
"Israel" from then on. You have Israel for your dirty
works, Russians have had the whole Britain, but, "in a
way".
Some important changes of direction that the two-bit
Westerner historeans ascribe to Khrushchev, or consider
started only as a result of Stalin's death, was in fact
decided on, and set, in the early 1940's by Stalin
himself. The other top Soviets of the time didn't have
the guts nor the initiative. Their minds dwelled
strictly within the framework of communism while Stalin
was a totally free-thinking individual (a "citizen").
The others were just efficient functionaries. It will
be enlightening if you go dig this.
Other consequences include the fact that Britain had an
obligation to pass on first-class intelligence on
American nuclear work to the Soviets during _and_ after
the war. Who knows, perhaps even to this day. But at
least as long as Stalin was still alive.
Another consequence of it, but one relevent more
evidently to Iran than to Europe or USA, was the fact
that Britain held the Americans back until Stalin's
death to join the former in conducting the coup against
Iran's elected and democratic government of Mosaddegh
(coup took place August 1953, two months after Stalin's
death). This three-year Iranian honest-to-god control
of Iran in the hardest times proved extremely precious
to us Iranians. The insight and understanding that we
gained by observing how we could find adequate and
brilliant solutions to the biggest and most complicated
problems in the world (those resulting from presence of
superpowers) is still running Iran of today. Iranian
top thinkers got their hearts' content of answers they
sought.
If you're a person who is also good at reading behind
the lines, and sensing the truth behind one's behavior,
you may get perhaps additional insight by studying
Churchill's words and behavior with regard to Stalin
during the part of Potsdam Conference that he
represented Britain (he got removed from office right
in the middle of the conference). A nice source for
that conference is "Meeting at Potsdam" by Charles L.
Mee, Jr.
--
"moddati in masnavi ta'khir shod
mohlati bAyast tA khun shir shod"
- Mowlana
Math Freak
http://www.onwar.com/articles/f0008.htm
Here's an ok source to give you some hint that my
blabberings weren't baseless. Glad internet is now here
as opposed to 20 or 30 years earlier when you had
to dig every bit of the truth for yourself.
--
"tamAme afrAd va afkAre mA be bonbaste gharibi
montahi shodeh, mardom ruzberuz ma'yustar va
banAbar'in bikAreh-tar va fAsedtar mishavand, vali
eshtebAh mikonand. khatAye mA nAshi az
kamhowselegi va tanbaliye khodemAn mibAshad. agar
kasi rA chenin poshtkAri nist va howseleh nadArad
ke avval khod va atrAfiyAne khish rA eslAh namAyad
bAyad goft pas az digarAn tavaghgho'i nadAshteh
bAshad va 'omaro yazid' rA moghasser nashemordeh
be khodi va bigAneh fohsh nadahad va besuzad va
besAzad."
- Mehdi Bazargan
Bob Cain
>
> http://www.onwar.com/articles/f0008.htm
>
> Here's an ok source to give you some hint that my
> blabberings weren't baseless. Glad internet is now here
> as opposed to 20 or 30 years earlier when you had
> to dig every bit of the truth for yourself.
That link is really interesting but it leaves me wondering what it was
that you were trying to say in the post I responded to.
Again, what do you think that Molotov said to Hitler in that meeting
which represented a change in Stalin's position with respect to
Germany; something to which Hitler was forced to respond with
Barbarossa? A concise answer would be appreciated.
Math Freak
> Again, what do you think that Molotov said to Hitler in that meeting
> which represented a change in Stalin's position with respect to
> Germany; something to which Hitler was forced to respond with
> Barbarossa? A concise answer would be appreciated.
What I "think" Molotov said? I'm not adding anything
from my head to what took place. The records are out in
various sources. And I told you the gist of it (Stalin
turning Hitler's plans down). Read Ribbentrop's diaris
for one. He was present together with Hitler in that
final meeting in November 1940 with Molotov, and
"almost fell off the chair" when he heard Stalin's new
stance (his own words).
Go dig it for yourself from this point on. Or ask
Hassan for it if you deserve _his_ insight in this :)
--
"dosad gofteh chon nim kerdAr nist
bozorgi sarAsar be goftAr nist"
- Ferdowsi
Bob Cain
Never mind. I'm just asking for clarification because you have made
an interesting claim. I'm not sufficiently motivated to do the
research. It seems you have done it but have limited motivation to
share it. I'm too old for "Google It" to appear as an answer to
anything. I remember when folks conversed and shared information they
claimed to have instead of hinting that they had it and you could too
if you cared enough to find it.
Oh, I did attempt to find one thing at Google but it said:
"Your search - "Ribbentrop's diaries" - did not match any documents."
Shrug,
Math Freak
Hehe :) Well that's the most important fact about WWII.
I found it worth digging for it.
In case anybody is interested, next to Stalin's
decision, the next most important fact about WWII is
the German soldier's stance in it. Not the allied
soldiers (what every crap that has been written is
based on) but the German soldier's. And I'm not talking
about "Nazis".
--
"dAni ke che goft zAl bA rostame gord?
doshman natavAn haghiro bichAre shemord"
- Sa'di
Math Freak
> "Your search - "Ribbentrop's diaries" - did not match any documents."
Oh. Sorry. What I quoted must not have come from such
source then.
I just spent about 20 minutes among my books (and this
is the _last_ thing I do for your super-lazy ass) to
find the source. It is the clearest, most detailed,
account of last Molotov-Hitler meeting. The title of
the book is "History in the making, Memoirs of WWII
diplomacy" and the author is the Soviet translator
present in that meeting, Valentin Berezhkov. He died a
few years ago, in USA I think.
I don't want to hear from you (in this thread) again :)
Come to think of it, who would read Ribbentrop's words.
He was of the kind of men that become mere extensions
of someone else, and skillfully reduce to nothing but
that. The equivalent to him in present U.S. government
is John Bolton. A nobody placed in a position of
seemingly handling "everything". Someone who should've
been a career house decoration advisor or something.
--
"ta'kide bar gozashteh alAmate khAli budane hAl
ast."
- Abdolkarim Soroush
hanson
Maleki aka "Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com> w/i
"Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com> comes the
news:86prheyz9c94$.1oucpsq3rhkrl.dlg@40tude.net...
>
[Sponge Bob to Mehram]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:08:13 -0700, Bob Cain wrote:
>
[Mehram]
> Oh. Sorry. What I quoted must not have come from such
> source then.
> I just spent about 20 minutes among my books (and this
> is the _last_ thing I do for your super-lazy ass) to
> find the source. It is the clearest, most detailed,
> account of last Molotov-Hitler meeting. The title of
> the book is "History in the making, Memoirs of WWII
> diplomacy" and the author is the Soviet translator
> present in that meeting, Valentin Berezhkov. He died a
> few years ago, in USA I think.
> I don't want to hear from you (in this thread) again :)
>
> Come to think of it, who would read Ribbentrop's words.
> He was of the kind of men that become mere extensions
> of someone else, and skillfully reduce to nothing but
> that. The equivalent to him in present U.S. government
> is John Bolton. A nobody placed in a position of
> seemingly handling "everything". Someone who should've
> been a career house decoration advisor or something.
>
[hanson]
Mehram, historical truth is like beauty. It only exists
in the eye and mind of the beholders and believers.
Translater V. Berezhkov was an unabashed self-promoter
of his own books, knowing full well that any variance of
"beauty" means new $$ from mooches and suckers which
are born every minute of the day...
https://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol49no3/html_files/FDR_Teheran_12.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/cobrajal.htm#Hanson
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/cobrajal.htm#Ravencrag
>
[Mehram]
> "ta'kide bar gozashteh alAmate khAli budane hAlast."
> - Abdolkarim Soroush
>
[Mehram's, translated by Berezhkov]
"The kiddie bar goes as the almighty halibut at last"
- Abdolkarim Soroush, George Soros', non-jewish son.
>
[hanson]
Mehram, when/if fancy strikes, I will anwer your inquest in
news:10zd7d2rdh085.rnpci1f7li5w$.dlg@40tude.net... that
> [It is not for] a Westerner to take up, nor is it his business
> [to express his views on the diabolic curse that all 3 Mono
> theistic religions exhibit and bring onto human kind]
>
Take care, my friend from the beautiful slopes of the
Aborz / Alborz Mountains.... ahahaha.... ahahanson
Math Freak
> Mehram, historical truth is like beauty. It only exists
> in the eye and mind of the beholders and believers.
> Translater V. Berezhkov was an unabashed self-promoter
> of his own books, knowing full well that any variance of
> "beauty" means new $$ from mooches and suckers which
> are born every minute of the day...
Well, this man's book (one I mentioned) begins on the
very fist page and paragraph with an almost minute by
minute account of that meeting. The detail given covers
tens of pages. It is certainly one of the better
sources of information you could find on that meeting:
"On the evening of November 9, 1940, a special
non-scheduled train left the Byelorussky station in
Moscow. ... "
Molotov's own memoirs should by now be out. He lived a
long life (about 100 years) and spent most of his later
years researching and writing his memoirs. He certainly
had Berezhkov's book (published 1982) by his side and
must've added/corrected upon it in his own accounts.
It may also be worth finding out if any of the Germans
present in that meeting published something later. I
don't remember if I found anything from their side or
not, and as you saw I wasn't even sure what I
remembered was from Berezhkov or Ribbentrop. These were
dark moments of German history and one could easily
assume a high degree of secrecy or bias from the
Germans' side in such reports.
--
"barAye kasi bemir ke barAt tab koneh."
Math Freak
> Take care, my friend from the beautiful slopes of the
> Aborz / Alborz Mountains.... ahahaha.... ahahanson
Speaking of Alborz, take a fresh look at some of its
scenes at:
http://www.iranian.com/Travelers/2006/August/Caspian/index.html
--
"kAro tange kalAghpar anjAm dAd."
hanson
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>
[hanson]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:31:49 GMT, hanson wrote:
>> Mehram, historical truth is like beauty. It only exists
>> in the eye and mind of the beholders and believers.
>> Translater V. Berezhkov was an unabashed self-promoter
>> of his own books, knowing full well that any variance of
>> "beauty" means new $$ from mooches and suckers which
>> are born every minute of the day...
>
> Well, this man's book (one I mentioned) begins on the
> very fist page and paragraph with an almost minute by
> minute account of that meeting. The detail given covers
> tens of pages. It is certainly one of the better
> sources of information you could find on that meeting:
> "On the evening of November 9, 1940, a special
> non-scheduled train left the Byelorussky station in
> Moscow. ... "
> a long life (about 100 years) and spent most of his later
> years researching and writing his memoirs. He certainly
> had Berezhkov's book (published 1982) by his side and
> must've added/corrected upon it in his own accounts.
> present in that meeting published something later. I
> don't remember if I found anything from their side or
> not, and as you saw I wasn't even sure what I
> remembered was from Berezhkov or Ribbentrop. These were
> dark moments of German history and one could easily
> assume a high degree of secrecy or bias from the
> Germans' side in such reports.
>
Good, Mehram, but all that does not prove nor do anything
besides satisfying minds that refuse to live in the present
because they are afraid of the future, hence seek solace
in the past. This peculiarity does occur in a lot of people
which is why it has been exploited for eons by most of the
con artists that run and rule societies.
Don't you know that since antiquity all the powers that
were, are and will be do have laws that allows them to lie
and deceive, the more the better. It's only the "your obscure
little asses" that must "tell the truth, nothing but the truth, so
help them god"... but they are forbidden, under draconian
consequences, not to use the same tactics for their own
defense, that the "Man" applies freely to fuck'em... ahahaha...
However, from the point of pure and therefore useless
argument and pseudo-intellectual masturbation you are
right... even if it gains you nothing.... ahahaha.. because
Merham, what's done is done. Not single one of the
slain ones is gonna come back. The future is important
but the belaboring and the glorifying of the "what if's"
of/from the past is not... And the classic idiotic adage that:
== "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned
to repeat it", by George Santayana, is a crock of slimey
lunacy and merely a prop to help/advance any desired
agenda like these quotes here show:
== "History books that contain no lies are extremely dull.
-- Anatole France
== "More history is made by secret handshakes than by
battles, bills, and proclamations. -- John Barth
== "History: An account, mostly false, of events unimportant, which
are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly
fools. -- Ambrose Bierce
== "What is history but a fable agreed upon? -- Napoleon Bonaparte
== "History is the devil's scripture. -- Lord Byron
== "History's like a story in a way: It depends on who's telling it.
-- Dorothy Salisbury Davis
== " History is an illogical record. It hinges on nothing. It is a story
that changes, and has accidents, and recovers with scars.
-- Gretel Ehrlich
== "History belongs to the winner" -- Anon.
== "History is something that never happened, written by a
man who wasn't there" -- Anon
== "History is more or less bunk. -- Henry Ford
== "Nostalgia is a seductive liar. -- George W. Ball
== "Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history. -- Abraham Lincoln
== "The historian sees backward. In the end he also believes
backward. -- Frederich Wilhelm Nietzche
== "History -- it's what those bitter old men write.
-- Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
== "Historians are like deaf people who go on answering
questions that no one has asked them. -- Leo Tolstoy
== "History is nothing but a pack of tricks that we play upon the dead.
-- Voltaire.
>
:::: .... ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... and then there's the clincher from
the greatest story tellers of the last 6KY, from the grand masters
of connivance, lies and deceit comes the crown jewel about the
subject and character of history::
== "How many pens are broken, how many ink bottles consumed,
to write about things that have never happened. -- The Talmud
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... They ought to know from/by their
own experience... but then so too do their theological spawns,
the Xians and the Muslims... ever since 6KY ago when Abe, the
Arab, gave birth to the criminal base for the sociopathy of Monotheism.
It doesn't need history to see that, Mehram. Religious strife is here, now.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
"Math Freak" <Math...@FakeAddress.com> who wrote in
news:17as1cokk0454$.eqzo63ld952m.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:31:49 GMT, hanson wrote:
>> Take care, my friend from the beautiful slopes of the
>> Aborz / Alborz Mountains.... ahahaha.... ahahanson
>
> Speaking of Alborz, take a fresh look at some of its
> scenes at:
> http://www.iranian.com/Travelers/2006/August/Caspian/index.html
>
Thanks. Great. Beautiful. These Alborz North Slope pix do have same
"character" that one can feel from/on the northsides of the chains of
the Hindu Kush and the KunLuns to the East and the Caucasus- and
Anatolia chains in the West. Still further West the ranges in the Balkans
and in the Alps do have more mellow slopes and are greener.
All the East -West stretched mountain ranges exhibit (to me) a very
different "aura" then do the North South oriented Mountain chains of
the Rockies, the Sierras and the Andes/Cordilleras. --- But, they all
have one thing in common. They are so beautiful -- fucking beautiful.
Pretty Woman got my rocks off on many a mountain tops...ahahaha...
Now, the mountains have worn me down & I am relegated nowadays
to languish lazily in the warm currents of the South Pacific in my home
on the Isle of Rarotonga. Life is wonderful still with the romps in the
sand and those underwater fucks. But nothing beats the exhilaration
of a natural endorphic "mountain high"... at altitudes over 10'000 feet.
Take care, Mehram.
ahahaha... ahahanson
PS:
Brings up the memoires of these here too : .. AHAHAHAHAHA...
Alborz/Whitney lightning - spooks, shofseckels, white P and Gleaner9
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/85f18e77279abd27
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/812e10ef293db6eb
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/303002a89fdde075
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/acbde1a5cecedab8
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cecbf9e7cd999175
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/07912620df4aa729
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/66785977a9b60810
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/ada980ae669ddfe1
ahahaha... enjoy, Mehram... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
GreatQuotations
news:s5OdnWiM1_zsnG3Z...@giganews.com:
hmmmm .... that Einstein quote has as much depth as piss on a flat
rock.
-Matt
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cda4a42ee523d130?dmode=sourc
e&hl=en
Bob Cain
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:08:13 -0700, Bob Cain wrote:
>
>> "Your search - "Ribbentrop's diaries" - did not match any documents."
>
> Oh. Sorry. What I quoted must not have come from such
> source then.
>
> I just spent about 20 minutes among my books (and this
> is the _last_ thing I do for your super-lazy ass) to
> find the source. It is the clearest, most detailed,
> account of last Molotov-Hitler meeting. The title of
> the book is "History in the making, Memoirs of WWII
> diplomacy" and the author is the Soviet translator
> present in that meeting, Valentin Berezhkov. He died a
> few years ago, in USA I think.
>
> I don't want to hear from you (in this thread) again :)
>
Even for a thanks? :-)