Green Case Basis:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true. -- Paul Watson, Sea Shepard/ex-Greenpeace, &...
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
= up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
= -- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
= "It is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presen-
= tations" -- Al Gore, Chairman, Gen. Investment Management Bank.
>
Botched Green Case 1:
== 20 hears ago the Green shits riled up humanity with
their doom prediction about the Ozone Hole due to
anthropic use of Freons (CF). -- Billions and Billions of
dollars which were extorted thru the Green shits' legislation
did nothing more than to replace the existing relatively
benign CFs with cancer causing, less application effective
CHF-substitutes & fatten the wallets of rich environmentalists
... and **** the Ozone Hole is still here ****.... ahahahaha....
Botched Green Case 2:
=== Currently, the Green shits are trying to orchestrate an
encore by riling up humankind with/about Global Warming.
Trillions & Trillions of Dollars are attempted to be extorted
by the Green shits' legislation from/off the tables of poor
families, $$$ which will do nothing but fatten the wallets of the
rich green turds while the Earth's climate will change whether
we like it or not as can be seen in this histogram issued
by the professional long term climate forecasters showing the
**** NATURAL Global warming and COOLING cycles ****
>
http://www.longrangeweather.com/images/GTEMPS.gif
>
... ahahahaha....
>
Botched Green Case 3:
11500 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, there was
a global warming period where the temp rose by 18°F within
30-40 years, within one generation. Large Mammals died out
but humans back then **adapted**, did THRIVE and started
what we call civilization.... unlike today where some of their
descendants, the despicable enviro turds and green shits,
want to scare you with a warming of a pitiful 5-6°F that may or
** may not come/occur in **100 years** from now**... ahaha...
in order to extort money from you with their carbon TAX.
>
---------- Correlaries and Analogs ------------------
>
Analog Case 4:
The Bushites, [(a) Jewish/Zionist US-Neocons in service of Israel's
interests, (b) the Evangelicals' Armageddon lobby and (c) Cheney's
Oil-Boys] ... all conspired and scared the peasantry with doom from
trumped up Weapons of Mass Destruction... The results: News at
11: -- The wallets of the top 2-3% of a, b & c are brimming with cash
from this gigantic con... extorted from YOU, the scared little idiots.
>
Analog Case 5:
Gore, the loser, became a fast learner. So, Gore & his pinko-green
ilk did an encore and they are scaring the peasantry with doom from
trumped up mass destruction by Anthropic Global warming.... The
results: News at 11. -- The wallets of the top 2-3% of this ilk will be
brimming too with cash, graft from the carbon tax... all of it conned &
extorted from YOU, the scared little green idiots.... ahahahaha...
>
=== Moral of the Green story:
Fooled once, their fault... Fooled twice, YOUR FAULT-- !!!...
*** PAY'em!..... if you cherish to be a little green idiot ***
=== The MO & Play of the Green Game:
Environmentalism is a ***money game*** by and for the few
Rich to fuck the many Poor. Here is how this game is played:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
>
****The GREEN BIBLE & its enviro Theology ***** in this link says:
*** Environmentalism "makes the Rich richer & the Poor poorer!" ***
** Environmentalism is for $$$$, "environment" is just the come-on **
>
Obviously, the Enviro Turds' Prime Directive is for YOU to PAY them...
and then thank them for having victimized you and having scared
the fuck out of you, so bad that you'll bend over and beg them for an
encore... and pay them even more for the new fucking than the one
which they had administered to you already the first time around...
...AHAHAHA....
>
To good, rational people the RATIONAL Prime Directive is clear:
== ** ADAPT **, ** ADAPT **, ** ADAPT **, ** ADAPT **
=== Buy/make a bigger HVAC if cold or heat bothers you.
==== Move to higher ground if/when & before the waters come.
>
Thanks for the laughs, all you little green idiots... ahahaha...
ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
PS:
Definition of Green shits, Green Turds and Little Green Idiots is in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/70ed6372eccc32ba
Don't give a fuck about the issues, but I'm answering so yours will
stand out against the sporge.
DB
Hehe, it gets worse! The replacement refrigerant, R134a now
contributes to global warming! Fridge makers are preparing to move to
propane or CO2. Nevermind the fact that people have already been
killed working on propane fridges which accidently exploded.
It reminds me of the old anti-nuclear ideas, now it turns out that we
needed nuclear power after all. When the new reactors and wind
turbines are built we'll probably find that global warming is solved
anyway and there's some reason to tear them down and go back to coal
(made my mother earth from all natural organic ingredients).
That's always been known, but so did CFCs, and R134a is less damaging
to the ozone layer.
>Fridge makers are preparing to move to
> propane or CO2.
Not true.
[Notoo]
You know the business plans of all fridge makers in the world do you?
Or do you imagine that anything you haven't heard of must not exist.
I Think it's a more diversified group than that.
1. The money makers you mentioned - how many products/companies have
'eco' in their name? Including politicians milking it to increase tax
revenue.
2. The "get back to nature" types. These are the classic greenies
which have always been around even when it wasn't popular. They also
want 4-day working weeks, a general slowdown of the pace of life, and
consistently feel that plastic is more "bad" than metal.
3. The general public trying to feel like good people by pretending
they care about something. This group is raped by group 1 above.
4. There may be some who genuinly have people's interests at heart,
but I havn't noticed them. Perhaps because they're not envromentalists
at all.
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So do regular CFC's.
Do you think you are making a point?
Compare for us will you, the relative warming strength of the global
release of R134a (several million tonnnes), and the release of 9 gigatonnes
of CO2.
Stupppppppppppppppppid......
If I were a refrigerator manufacturer I would begin to design
refrigerators for the northern market that pump cold from the outside (in
winter), into the freezer to keep things cold.
By doing so they should be able to improve the efficiency of their
refrigerators by about 40% per year, for a savings of about $50 per year in
the average home owner's electricity costs.
It's just one of the issues environmentalists raise. I'm not saying
it's a problem myself, but environmentalists are. You've repeated my
point for me, it's trivial, yet it's being worried about:
http://arch.rivm.nl/env/int/ipcc/docs/IPCC-TEAP99/files/m99a3-12.pdf
> If I were a refrigerator manufacturer I would begin to design
> refrigerators for the northern market that pump cold from the outside (in
> winter), into the freezer to keep things cold.
>
> By doing so they should be able to improve the efficiency of their
> refrigerators by about 40% per year, for a savings of about $50 per year in
> the average home owner's electricity costs.
And a $50 increase in their heating bill :P Don't forget a fridge
heats the room it's in, which is helpful in a cold climate.
In a warm environment, a geothermal loop can easily improve
refrigeration by 400%.
In a cold environment, unplug the refrigerator and just use the cold
outside air as is.
A composite form of basalt as super insulation can offer as great as
R-1024/meter.
--
Brad Guth
Refrigerator manufacturers would do well making note of such facts.
Improved energy efficiency isn't rocket science. Although talking without
dr00ling is danm near impossible for most KKKonservatives.
That's effectively the same as he was saying. The common problem is
that whenever you open the door to get some food, you're letting heat
out of your house, which costs money. Opening the door is why fridges
consume power in the first place.
<notto...@hotmail.com> wrote
> And a $50 increase in their heating bill :P Don't forget a fridge
> heats the room it's in, which is helpful in a cold climate.
True, but that $50 would be better spent adding to the insulation of the
home.
And how do you know it's not worth worrying about until there is a study
like the one above, that quantifies the impact?
Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid..........
In part yes. But they also admit heat though their outer surface.
In addition, summertime cooling could be greatly improved by spraying the
outside cooling fins with water and using evaporative cooling to reduce the
amount of compression needed. Also pumping the heat outside once makes much
more sense than heating the home or pumping it twice. Once from the
refrigerator and then once through the air conditioner.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/26/opinion/main2608369.shtml
The GOP Vs. Global Warming
The New Republic: Why Are Republicans More Skeptical, Even As Evidence
Grows?
(The New Republic) This column was written by Jonathan Chait. Last
year, the National Journal asked a group of Republican senators and
House members: "Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable
doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems?" Of the
respondents, 23 percent said yes, 77 percent said no. In the year
since that poll, of course, global warming has seized a massive amount
of public attention. The U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change released a study, with input from 2,000 scientists worldwide,
finding that the certainty on man-made global warming had risen to 90
percent.
So, the magazine asked the question again last month. The results?
Only 13 percent of Republicans agreed that global warming has been
proved. As the evidence for global warming gets stronger, Republicans
are actually getting more skeptical. Al Gore's recent congressional
testimony on the subject, and the chilly reception he received from
GOP members, suggest the discouraging conclusion that skepticism on
global warming is hardening into party dogma. Like the notion that tax
cuts are always good or that President Bush is a brave war leader,
it's something you almost have to believe if you're an elected
Republican.
How did it get this way? The easy answer is that Republicans are just
tools of the energy industry. It's certainly true that many of them
are. Leading global warming skeptic Representative Joe L. Barton (R-
Texas), for instance, was the subject of a fascinating story in the
Wall Street Journal a couple of years ago. The bottom line is that his
relationship to the energy industry is as puppet relates to hand.
But the financial relationship doesn't quite explain the entirety of
GOP skepticism on global warming. For one thing, the energy industry
has dramatically softened its opposition to global warming over the
last year, even as Republicans have stiffened theirs.
The truth is more complicated - and more depressing: A small number of
hard-core ideologues (some, but not all, industry shills) have led the
thinking for the whole conservative movement.
Your typical conservative has little interest in the issue. Of course,
neither does the average nonconservative. But we nonconservatives tend
to defer to mainstream scientific wisdom. Conservatives defer to a
tiny handful of renegade scientists who reject the overwhelming
professional consensus.
National Review magazine, with its popular Web site, is a perfect
example. It has a blog dedicated to casting doubt on global warming,
or solutions to global warming, or anybody who advocates a solution.
Its title is "Planet Gore." The psychology at work here is pretty
clear: Your average conservative may not know anything about climate
science, but conservatives do know they hate Al Gore. So, hold up Gore
as a hate figure and conservatives will let that dictate their
thinking on the issue.
Meanwhile, Republicans who do believe in global warming get shunted
aside. Nicole Gaudiano of Gannett News Service recently reported that
Representative Wayne Gilchrest asked to be on the Select Committee on
Energy Independence and Global Warming. House Republican leader John
Boehner of Ohio refused to allow it unless Gilchrest would say that
humans have not contributed to global warming. The Maryland Republican
refused and was denied a seat.
Representatives Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md. and Vernon Ehlers, R-Mich.,
both research scientists, also were denied seats on the committee.
Normally, relevant expertise would be considered an advantage. In this
case, it was a disqualification; if the GOP allowed Republican
researchers who accept the scientific consensus to sit on a global
warming panel, it would kill the party's strategy of making global
warming seem to be the pet obsession of Democrats and Hollywood
lefties.
The phenomenon here is that a tiny number of influential conservative
figures set the party line; dissenters are marginalized, and the rank
and file go along with it. No doubt something like this happens on the
Democratic side pretty often too. It's just rare to find the
phenomenon occurring in such a blatant way.
You can tell that some conservatives who want to fight global warming
understand how the psychology works and are trying to turn it in their
favor. Their response is to emphasize nuclear power as an integral
element of the solution. Senator John McCain, who supports action on
global warming, did this in a recent National Review interview. The
technique seems to be surprisingly effective. When framed as a case
for more nuclear plants, conservatives seem to let down their guard.
In reality, nuclear plants may be a small part of the answer, but you
couldn't build enough to make a major dent. But the psychology is
perfect. Conservatives know that lefties hate nuclear power. So, yeah,
Rush Limbaugh listeners, let's fight global warming and stick it to
those hippies!
By Jonathan Chait
If you like this article, go to www.tnr.com, which breaks down today's
top stories and offers nearly 100 years of news, opinion, and analysis.
Scientists issue global warming report By LINDA A. JOHNSON, Associated
Press
Writer
46 minutes ago
TRENTON, N.J. - The climate of the nine northeastern states could become
like
that of the South by the end of the century unless greenhouse gas emissions
are
steadily lowered, the Union of Concerned Scientists warned in the most
detailed
regional report yet on the issue.
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The report, released Wednesday, states longer, much hotter summers, warmer
winters with less snow and other changes fueled by global warming could put
significant strain on the power grid and health care system, along with
farms,
forests, marine fisheries, recreation and tourism.
The impact could be much lower, though, if carbon dioxide emissions are
reduced
by 3 percent each year, according to the advocacy group and university
scientists who worked on the report.
Their collaboration, called the Northeast Climate Impacts Assessment, spent
two
years using multiple state-of-the-art climate models and weather records to
project likely climate changes from New Jersey and Pennsylvania up to Maine
through 2099.
"This has enormous implications for human health. It puts a lot of stress on
the
energy system. It could lead to blackouts," Katherine Hayhoe, an associate
professor of geosciences at Texas Tech University and a lead author of the
report, told reporters during a teleconference.
If power plant and auto emissions of carbon dioxide - considered the main
culprit of global warming - continue unabated, average temperatures in the
Northeast could rise between 6.5 degrees and 12.5 degrees by the end of the
century, she said. If society shifts to cleaner, renewable energy sources,
the
temperature increase would be halved, she said.
The study said, without any change, New Hampshire's climate will be more
like
that of South Carolina by the end of the century; with lower greenhouse
emissions, it would be like North Carolina. In the New York-New
Jersey-Connecticut region, without changes the climate would be like
Georgia's
by century's end; with lower emissions, it would be more like eastern
Virginia's.
With no changes, Boston could see its number of 90-degree-or-higher summer
days
jump from one to 40 and New York City could have 70.
"We're beginning to see the climate in the Northeast changing" already, with
average temperatures rising 1.5 degrees in the summer and 4 degrees in the
winter between 1970 and 2000, said the other lead author, Cameron Wake, an
associate professor at the University of New Hampshire's Climate Change
Research
Center.
Hayhoe said the report shows winter precipitation is likely to increase, but
mostly as rain, and snow would be on the ground for much shorter periods.
Meanwhile, summers could become up to six weeks longer and spring could
start
earlier, affecting plants, wildlife and recreation tied to the cycle of
seasons.
The report targets the Northeast because it is the world's seventh-largest
source of emissions, ranked behind the U.S. as a whole and five other
nations,
and because the region's leaders have already taken steps to reduce
emissions
and could serve as a national model with innovations in policy and
technology.
Mike MacCracken of The Climate Institute, a former head of the interagency
group
that did climate assessments under a Clinton-era research program, called
the
report "a high-quality job" with plausible results. He said its findings are
similar to those of the federal program's last Northeast regional assessment
several years ago.
"These give pretty reliable indications of the amount of change" without
being
overly precise, MacCracken said.
Doug Inkley, senior science adviser at the National Wildlife Federation,
said
the report was done by top-tier scientists and backs up his group's research
showing a warmer climate in the Northeast will push out
temperature-sensitive
species from sugar maple and northern pine trees to songbirds and trout.
"I certainly hope people would act on it," Inkley said. "This report is yet
another wake-up call we cannot ignore."
John R. Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at University
of
Alabama-Huntsville, said regional analyses his center has done indicate the
latest climate models "do not have the predictive skill needed, especially
with
regard to rain and snow."
He said the report's recommendations - mostly centered on replacing or
upgrading
buildings, cars and appliances with more energy-efficient ones - won't have
much
effect on the total amount of carbon dioxide going into the atmosphere,
partly
because energy demand will continue to grow.
Was the planet ever hotter? Was there ever more CO2? Did some of
life survive those events? Is there any life that lives in more
climes than man? IPCC scientists are unabashed in admitting that
heating started then CO2 started rising. They indicated that the CO2
source was the change in solubility of the oceans. Now that man might
produce enough CO2 to impact the GHG balance the oceans are
miraculously ceasing to produce additional CO2 from the increasing
trend of higher heating. I am so glad that at least the planet isn't
continuing it's previous behavior. My question to you though is,
please explain why the oceans have ceased to produce the CO2 that
started the feed back loop?
Russ
Were more people ever killed? Was there ever more carnage? Did some Jews
survive those events?
If so, then why not repeat them... Right...
If the Jews managed to survive the killing of 7 million of them, then
what's the harm in killing 6 million Jews today?
"RussRuck" <RussR...@aol.com> wrote
> IPCC scientists are unabashed in admitting that heating started
> then CO2 started rising.
Not in this Millennia. Shit Stick.
"RussRuck" <RussR...@aol.com> wrote
> They indicated that the CO2 source was the change in solubility of the
> oceans.
Yup, 50,000 years ago. A result of gradual changes in the earth's orbit.
Today CO2 is in the drivers seat.
You don't have a clue.