67,000 ships moved out of the way for China's Typhoon Chanchu
Lickspittle John Fernback conceals his own denialist agenda
Massive evacuation as Chanchu heads ashore
2006-05-18
EMERGENCY authorities yesterday evacuated almost a half-million people
from south China's coastal areas, canceled flights and called ships
into harbor as Typhoon Chanchu moved toward the mainland packing winds
up to 157 kilometers an hour.
In Fujian Province, more than 307,000 people were taken to higher
ground and 42,000 ships ordered to seek safe haven. In Guangdong,
180,000 residents were removed from the coast and 25,000 ships returned
to harbor.
As the storm churned through the South China Sea, it caused an oil
tanker to run aground near Taiwan's southern port of Kaohsiung,
officials said. Rescuers in helicopters lifted 13 crew members off the
ship.
The typhoon, the strongest ever reported in the South China Sea in May
and the first major storm of the year, was heading toward Hong Kong
earlier this week, but it changed course abruptly, swirling about 220
kilometers east of the city yesterday afternoon. Chanchu kicked up high
waves and spawned showers but caused no major damage.
Hong Kong ordered kindergartens to close yesterday along with schools
for mentally handicapped children. Some ferry services to outlying
islands were suspended.
The Hong Kong Airport Authority said 52 flights were canceled and eight
delayed.
The full force of the storm was expected to hit the mainland between
Huilai in Guangdong and Zhangpu in Fujian late last night or early this
morning, according to the Fujian Provincial Meteorological Bureau.
Many south China towns reported landslides and flooding yesterday.
Taiwan's weather bureau forecast flooding for yesterday and today on
the outlying islands of Kinmen, Matsu and Penghu. Schools in Kinmen
were ordered closed today because of the storm.
The weather bureau also warned residents of areas along Taiwan's
western coast against the danger of flooding and landslides.
Chanchu, which means "pearl" in Cantonese, formed on May 9 in the
Pacific Ocean about 550 kilometers east of Mindanao in the Philippines.
It hit the central Philippines on Saturday, killing at least 32 people
and leaving more than 1,000 others homeless.
John
"Lickspittle John Fernback conceals his own denialist agenda"
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> http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/05/18/278377/Massive_evacuation_as_Chanchu_heads_ashore.htm
>
> Massive evacuation as Chanchu heads ashore
> 2006-05-18
> EMERGENCY authorities yesterday evacuated almost a half-million people
> from south China's coastal areas, canceled flights and called ships
> into harbor as Typhoon Chanchu moved toward the mainland packing winds
> up to 157 kilometers an hour.
>
> In Fujian Province, more than 307,000 people were taken to higher
> ground and 42,000 ships ordered to seek safe haven. In Guangdong,
> 180,000 residents were removed from the coast and 25,000 ships returned
> to harbor.
God strikes vengeance to the evil rice eaters.
Exxon-Bush Loses Another Voting Block over Global Warming
Godess doesn't much care for Exxon-Bush Repig Rednecks who suck
KOOLAID-Flavored pus through a straw straight out of Rush Limbaugh's
Anal Cyst Either!
If you think GOD will answer your prayers after you voluntarily CHOOSE
SATANdard Oil, you better re-read the 1000 churches turned into trash
after Katrina-Rita. Since you INTEND to kill the whole world and
everything GOD made, all the "innocent bystanders" are already dead,
already marked for death by you, so they are no longer "Human Shields"
and hostages. Remember YOUR bumper-sticker? "Kill them All and let GOD
sort them out" -- the sorting process is going on now, and very few
"christians" are worth much let alone you SATANdard Oil loyalists. Its
going to be hard to even find the 144,000 non-LOSERS out of this pack
of scumbuckets. You strayed mighty far from your roots, psychopath, and
now you are a member of a mass-murder-for-thrills gang, and you think
that 666 on your forehead don't glow like neon lights.
Better get used to it, satan, because 1,000 churches were smashed by
Katrina-Rita-Wilma and God don't like you any more. I liked the touch
of the sacrifice of the cow at the altar...
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050928/NEWS01/50...
Coastal city took Rita's best shot
While hurricane spared much of the Gulf Coast, Cameron, La., was
devastated.
CAMERON, La. -- A dead cow lay inside the sanctuary of a Baptist
church. Entire homes were pulled off their foundations. One resident
knelt in rubble and teared up behind sunglasses; his beloved dog was
missing.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051016-...
Religious groups recover after hurricane
LONG BEACH, Miss., Oct. 16 (UPI) -- Amid the hurricane reconstruction
on the Gulf Coast, religious groups are debating whether to rebuild,
merge or disband -- and asking why this happened to them.
More than 1,000 churches, mosques, synagogues and temples in Louisiana,
Mississippi and Alabama are thought to have been destroyed by
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.
ttp://tinyurl.com/axub6
Godess Clobbers Redneck Churches -- Over 1,000 destroyed by Wrathful
Katrina Diety
This will teach them for putting that lying "creationish" in
schools as science...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051016-...
More than 1,000 churches, mosques, synagogues and temples in
Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are thought to have been destroyed
by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
reports.
http://tinyurl.com/a79vw
Goddess Smacksdown Arrogant Baptists -- Don't bother praying to God
because you already saw what he thinks about you. This is NOT a
christian country. It's a free country. Big difference. God has spoken
and HE don't like YOU. Forget about the homos and the ragheads and the
sluts -- YOU are being judged and found wanting.
Wilma destroys churches Florida
http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1235502/Wilma+destroys+churches+Florida....
JACKSONVILLE - At least two Baptist churches reportedly were
destroyed in Florida and 21 others damaged this week as hurricane Wilma
cut a diagonal swath across the southern tip of the state, which has
weathered eight hurricanes in 15 months.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/a79a7843ed1d627d?dmode=source
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Robert Kolker
> Chanchu, which means "pearl" in Cantonese, formed on May 9 in the
> Pacific Ocean about 550 kilometers east of Mindanao in the Philippines.
> It hit the central Philippines on Saturday, killing at least 32 people
> and leaving more than 1,000 others homeless.
Typhoons happen. Is there a point to all of this?
Bob Kolker
>
Exxon_Bush Global Warming Mass Murders
News Group. This is news. STRONGEST EVER IN HISTORY South China Sea
Typhoon in month of May. 2nd busiest sea lanes in the world, 67,000
ships recalled to port or diverted, increase fuel costs, slipped
schedules, economic impacts. More significant than if Barry Bonds hits
a home run or not. Over 10,000,000 people were in the projected impact
path when the storm was cat-5.
Physics, Econ, Environment, Global Warming, Meteorology issues. If you
are not interested, unsubscribe and not receive postings on subjects
outside your limited interest range.
QUESTIONS: What "invisible wall" did typhoon Chanchu hit? It was moving
due west -- halted abruptly, made sharp right turn due north. Went from
Category 1 to category 5 strength in 24 hours. Mystery -- What physics
forces can make this happen? Nothing on the satellite screens can
account for this behavior, was spinning off rainbands due west for many
hours -- no "invisible wall" there then. Even after course change
continued spinning off rainbands by centrifugal force to the west
without visible wind shear impacting the thrust of these rainbands.
What force known to science can change a cat-5 hurricane path 90
degrees without it affecting the rainbands? Mystery?
This is news. This is newsgroups. Get with it or get out.
Edward Green
> http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/05/18/278377/Massive_evacuation_as_Chanchu_heads_ashore.htm
>
> Massive evacuation as Chanchu heads ashore
> 2006-05-18
> EMERGENCY authorities yesterday evacuated almost a half-million people
> from south China's coastal areas, canceled flights and called ships
> into harbor as Typhoon Chanchu moved toward the mainland packing winds
> up to 157 kilometers an hour.
>
> In Fujian Province, more than 307,000 people were taken to higher
> ground and 42,000 ships ordered to seek safe haven.
42,000 seems an implausibly high number of "ships" to have been near
Fujian Province. "Ships" has perhaps been generously extended to
include "boats".
Exxon_Bush Global Warming Mass Murders
You missed a whole 25,000 more in the next sentence.
"In Fujian Province, more than 307,000 people were taken to higher
ground and 42,000 ships ordered to seek safe haven. In Guangdong,
180,000 residents were removed from the coast and 25,000 ships returned
to harbor. "
While the South China Sea is the 2nd busiest sea lanes in the world,
67,000 does seem high. I suppose the Chinese definition includes
anything floating larger than a house as a ship, including Sampans made
of wood. Sampans have been known as ships for many centuries, and in
fact are about the size of many ships from our own history of a century
or more ago. Coastal traders and island hoppers have never been built
to the sizes of transoceanic vessels.
At least one Oil Tanker shoaled and an iron ore carrier from Belgium
was reporting out of fuel in the mess, so they weren't all little
boats.
"Boats" on the other hand, which they have plenty of, are probably
what you and I call boats -- watercraft designed to accomodate a dozen
or fewer people.
John
"Exxon-Bush Loses Another Voting Block over Global Warming"
<Global....@ARMY.com> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
>> "Lickspittle John Fernback conceals his own denialist agenda"
>> <sun.myu...@thepopeshinesmyshoes.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147902438.0...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> > http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/05/18/278377/Massive_evacuation_as_Chanchu_heads_ashore.htm
>> >
>> > Massive evacuation as Chanchu heads ashore
>> > 2006-05-18
>> > EMERGENCY authorities yesterday evacuated almost a half-million people
>> > from south China's coastal areas, canceled flights and called ships
>> > into harbor as Typhoon Chanchu moved toward the mainland packing winds
>> > up to 157 kilometers an hour.
>> >
>> > In Fujian Province, more than 307,000 people were taken to higher
>> > ground and 42,000 ships ordered to seek safe haven. In Guangdong,
>> > 180,000 residents were removed from the coast and 25,000 ships returned
>> > to harbor.
>
>
>> God strikes vengeance to the evil rice eaters.
>
> Godess doesn't much care for Exxon-Bush Repig Rednecks
Wrong, boy. Oil Stock is sky high! God is a Republican that owns Oil
stock.
You can still get in on it, buy some stock now!
Exxon_Bush Global Warming Mass Murders
No you can't. Exxon is buying back their own stocks with the
$39,000,000,000.00 profits they made last year. You can't compete with
them in the market. John D. Rockefeller Sr had a slogan "Sell your
shirt if you need money, but never sell your SATANdard Oil stocks".
When the Supreme Court busted up the SATANDARD OIL into 28 companies
the same stockholders still owned the same stocks, but now it went
under 28 different names: ESSO (S.O., get it?), ENCO, Amoco, S.O. of
Indiana, S.O. of California, S.O.NJ, S.O.NY,... now known as
Exxon-Mobil, ConocoPhillips, ChevronTexaco. When S.O. Arco went to BP,
BP stock came back to the heirs that have always followed John D's
advice. Those who ever did sell shares against that advice are now
watching Exxon & Company collect them on the stock market. You can't
afford to play in those big leagues. Even if you do own some Exxon
Stocks, your ROI is pathetic. In those tax brackets it don't pay to
return profits to the stockholders so they get "reinvested".
You need a surgeon to seperate your lampray-like lips from the Oil
Company buttocks.
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The Rise and Progress of the Standard Oil Company
by Gilbert Holland Montague
Paperback: 152 pages
Publisher: Books for Business (July 1, 2001)
ISBN: 0894990721
STANDARD OIL (known today as ExxonMobil, ESSO) collaborated with the
Nazis right into WWII, delaying the production of synthetic rubber so
that when the Japanese cut of supplies of asian latex the USA was in a
severe bind. Again Du Ponts (General Motors) collaborated right into
WWII.
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Treason's peace;: German dyes & American dupes
by Howard Watson Ambruster
Hardcover: 438 pages
Publisher: The Beechhurst Press (1947)
ASIN: B0006D8Y04
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The I.G. Farben and Standard Oil international cartel of World War II
by Kenneth Fossey
Unknown Binding
ASIN: B0007GU27S
Availability: Out of Print--Limited Availability
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The Crime And Punishment Of I.G. Farben
by Borkin
Hardcover: 250 pages
Publisher: Free Press (June 1, 1978)
ISBN: 0029046300
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Working For The Enemy: Ford, General Motors, And Forced Labor In
Germany During The Second World War
by Reinhold Billstein, Karola Fings, Anita Kugler, Nicholas Levis,
Billstein Levis
Paperback: 320 pages
Publisher: Berghahn Books (October 1, 2004)
ISBN: 1845450132
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743247442/ref=ase_explorbushhit-20/104-4378820-5342341?v=glance&s=books
The Corporation : The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power
by Joel Bakan
Hardcover: 240 pages
Publisher: Free Press (March 10, 2004)
ISBN: 0743247442
The LIBERTY LOBBY was a Du Pont subversive organization created as part
of the Plot to Seize the White House.
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The Liberty Lobby and the American Right: Race, Conspiracy, and Culture
(Contributions in Political Science)
by Frank P. Mintz
Hardcover: 251 pages
Publisher: Greenwood Press (March 27, 1985)
ISBN: 031324393X
Perhaps this all strikes you as some "socialist" viewpoints, but
historian Anthony Sutton was employed by the right-wing think tank, the
Hoover Institution at Stanford when he wrote these three books:
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution
Wall Street and FDR
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Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
by Antony C. Sutton
Paperback
Publisher: G S G & Associates Pub; Reprint edition (June 1, 1976)
ISBN:
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Available to Read FREE Online.
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Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution
by Antony C. Sutton
Library Binding
Publisher: Buccaneer Books Inc (June 1, 1993)
ISBN: 089968324X
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Wall Street and FDR
by Antony C Sutton
Unknown Binding: 200 pages
Publisher: Arlington House Publishers (1975)
ISBN: 0870003283
It took OIL, MOTOR VEHICLES, MONEY, and CONTROLLED PRESS to create the
Hitler Project. It was begun by AMERICAN master organized crime lords
as early as 1901:
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War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race
by Edwin Black
Hardcover: 592 pages
Publisher: Four Walls Eight Windows (September, 2003)
ISBN: 1568582587
When Hitler was a child in the FIRST GRADE, American Crime Lords were
spending millions of dollars to promote the ideas of Master Race and
Slave Races. By the time Hitler was making his move to take over
Germany, these same American Crime Lords and their children were allied
with German Crime Lords:
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Trading with the enemy: An exposé of the Nazi-American money plot,
1933-1949
by Charles Higham
Unknown Binding: 277 pages
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ISBN: 0440090644
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Major Excerpts from this book available to read FREE Online.
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from 1933 to the Present Day
by Charles Higham
Hardcover: 332 pages
Publisher: Doubleday; 1st ed edition (March 1, 1985)
ISBN: 0385178743
The German Crime Lord, Fritz Thyssen began funding Hitler in 1924, the
same year he formed a business arrangement with the son of E.H.
Harriman, whose fortune had built the American Eugenics movement here.
Harriman's son, Averell, hired Prescott Bush ("W"'s grandpa) to be in
charge of the NYC bank Thyssen used to route Wall Street money into
Hitler's pockets.
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American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in
the House of Bush
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Robert Kolker
>
> And now, with warmer sea surface temperatures, they can happen more
> intensely, and with atmospheric rising carbon dioxide levels, in the
> future, they can happen with ever more intensity. Reality is great,
> isn't it?
O.K. There is no doubt that the surface temp of the oceans is on a
secular rise. That means there should be a greater frequency of category
4 and category 5 hurricanes and typhoons.
It is also the case the the sun is getting hotter (that comes with
aging). What is not clear is how much of the increase in temperature is
anthopogenic and how much is simply nature at work.
Bob Kolker
John
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WRONG! Stock is ownership of the company, and you would own part of that
$39,000,000,000.00 in profits.
"You can't compete with them in the market." is the best news possible for
an owner of the stock!
But you have your head stuck up your liberal ass, and will miss out on
getting rich.
You like to stay the victim.
Competitive Enterprise Institute Whorehouse Chorusline
Robert Kolker wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>
> >
> > And now, with warmer sea surface temperatures, they can happen more
> > intensely, and with atmospheric rising carbon dioxide levels, in the
> > future, they can happen with ever more intensity. Reality is great,
> > isn't it?
>
> O.K. There is no doubt that the surface temp of the oceans is on a
> secular rise. That means there should be a greater frequency of category
> 4 and category 5 hurricanes and typhoons.
There is BOTH (1) Increase in numbers of cyclones, typhoones,
hurricanes, and (2) Increase in Intensity, Severity, Power. Nothing in
nature has changed in any signifificant amounts, so the cause of this
change is predominently human-leverage of natural tendencies forcing
the changes.
Atlantic Hurricanes are way up in numbers, way up in Intensity.
US Tornadoes are tracking the increases in Hurricanes and are way up in
absolute numbers and up in destruction by being more widespread. Severe
tornadoes are down in frequency due (in theory) their fuel being
consumed by much more frequent smaller tornadoes. The damage is greater
by many smaller tornadoes than the fewer missing stronger tornadoes
because more total tornadoes are hitting more objects, and even small
tornadoes can destroy houses, barns and cars.
http://ecosyn.us/1/1/stormy.html
Increasing Frequency, Increasing Intensity of dangerous Hurricanes in
recent times.
http://ecosyn.us/1/Tornadoes.html
Increasing frequency of Tornadoes lockstep with increasing temperatures
lockstep with increasing Hurricanes
> It is also the case the the sun is getting hotter (that comes with
> aging). What is not clear is how much of the increase in temperature is
> anthopogenic and how much is simply nature at work.
>
> Bob Kolker
The sun gets 0.000,000,001% hotter per decade. Instead of 25,000,000
degrees it is 25,000,001 degrees, and instruments on Earth are barely
capable of detecting such feeble changes against so much background
power.
Since human pollution is causing this, EVERY STORM has human-pollution
increase in it. No storm is virginally pure any more. It is up to the
naysayers to produce a better theory which accounts for all the
evidence, particularly explaining how greenhouse gases DO NOT become
involved in the natural processes of the Earth. That's your job Kolker:
start explaining.
Robert Kolker
>
>
> There is BOTH (1) Increase in numbers of cyclones, typhoones,
> hurricanes, and (2) Increase in Intensity, Severity, Power. Nothing in
> nature has changed in any signifificant amounts, so the cause of this
> change is predominently human-leverage of natural tendencies forcing
> the changes.
How do you account for the "little ice age" which froze Europe between
1650 and 1800? Remember Hans Brinker and the Sliver Skates. The Atlantic
halocline shut down without any help from humans at all. How do you
account for "ice ages" at all. How do you account for the fact that the
Antarctic was once a lush tropical area and now is not? How do you
account for the fact that what is now the Sahara Dasert was at one time
lush grassland? Humans had nothing whatever to do with those climatic
changes.
There are cyclical processes that occur naturally without any help from
humans. The question is how much of the heating is due to human activity
and how much to natural cycles.
Bob Kolker
Robert Kolker Lying Repig Bumboy Hooker
Robert Kolker Lying Repig Bumboy Hooker wrote:
> Competitive Enterprise Institute Whorehouse Chorusline wrote:
> >
> >
> > There is BOTH (1) Increase in numbers of cyclones, typhoones,
> > hurricanes, and (2) Increase in Intensity, Severity, Power. Nothing in
> > nature has changed in any signifificant amounts, so the cause of this
> > change is predominently human-leverage of natural tendencies forcing
> > the changes.
>
> How do you account for the "little ice age" which froze Europe between
> 1650 and 1800?
Local heat transfer. Current investigations of corals in the South
Pacific show they were abnormally warm at the same time. On balance,
the whole world was not colder or warmer then just before or just after
-- just some parts were hotter and colder with uneven sharing of the
NORMAL HEAT. It happens, and it happened last winter with record cold
in Europe and Asia while Record heat in continental USA. It happens,
get used to it. On average there is now MORE HEAT TO SHARE, so Austrial
had record-breaking cyclones followed immediately (within weeks) of
record breaking typhoons and cyclones in Norther Hemisphere (Chanchu,
this week).
Science does understand how these things work, even if you fail to
grasp it and keep asking why, why, why, why, why, endlessly. You time
would be better spent getting an education so you could understand
science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine, endlessly.
> Remember Hans Brinker and the Sliver Skates. The Atlantic
> halocline shut down without any help from humans at all.
That was then. NOW it has HUMAN HELP. You time would be better spent
getting an education so you could understand science without forever
asking why, why, why, why, whine, endlessly.
> How do you
> account for "ice ages" at all.
You time would be better spent getting an education so you could
understand science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine,
endlessly.
> How do you account for the fact that the
> Antarctic was once a lush tropical area and now is not?
You time would be better spent getting an education so you could
understand science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine,
endlessly.
> How do you
> account for the fact that what is now the Sahara Dasert was at one time
> lush grassland?
You time would be better spent getting an education so you could
understand science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine,
endlessly.
> Humans had nothing whatever to do with those climatic
> changes.
That was then, this is NOW. You time would be better spent getting an
education so you could understand science without forever asking why,
why, why, why, whine, endlessly.
> There are cyclical processes that occur naturally without any help from
> humans.
Which of those forces then is at work now? Newton's laws state a body
at rest tends to remaun at rest unless acted upon by an external force.
Humans are the major force NOW affecting the climate. You time would be
better spent getting an education so you could understand science
without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine, endlessly.
> The question is how much of the heating is due to human activity
> and how much to natural cycles.
>
> Bob Kolker
Read some Climate Science and learn the answers. Meanwhile, leave the
sxcience groups until you have finished your homework assignment. Or
did you graduate from a Kansas Creation Science class where they teach
humanoid munkeys who haven't EVOLVED brains yet?
You time would be better spent getting an education so you could
understand science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine,
endlessly.
"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."
http://www.markhertsgaard.com/Articles/2006/WhileWashingtonSlept/
"... "The goal of the disinformation campaign wasn't to win the
debate,"
says Gelbspan. "The goal was simply to keep the debate going. When the
public hears the media report that some scientists believe warming is
real but others don't, its reaction is 'Come back and tell us when
you're really sure.' So no political action is taken."
Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat who chaired the
1994 hearings where tobacco executives unanimously declared under oath
that cigarettes were not addictive, watches today's global-warming
deniers with a sense of déjà vu. It all reminds him of the
confidential slogan a top tobacco flack coined when arguing that the
science on smoking remained unsettled: "Doubt is our product." Now,
Waxman says, "not only are we seeing the same tactics the tobacco
industry used, we're seeing some of the same groups. For example, the
Advancement of Sound Science Coalition was created [in 1993] to debunk
the dangers of secondhand smoking before it moved on to global
warming."
The scientific work Frederick Seitz oversaw for R. J. Reynolds from
1978 to 1987 was "perfectly fine research, but off the point," says
Stanton A. Glantz, a professor of medicine at the University of
California, San Francisco, and a lead author of The Cigarette Papers
(1996), which exposed the inner workings of the Brown & Williamson
Tobacco Corporation. ...
For his part, Seitz says he was comfortable taking tobacco MONEY, "AS
LONG AS IT WAS GREEN. I'm not quite clear about this moralistic issue.
... " Did the research give the tobacco industry political cover? "I'll
leave
that to the philosophers and priests," he replies. ..."
Robert Kolker
>
> You time would be better spent getting an education so you could
> understand science without forever asking why, why, why, why, whine,
> endlessly.
Science is all about asking why, why, why endlessly.
The fact is there are cyclic processes affecting climate which have no
relation to human activity. So the real question is how much climatic
change is anthropogenic and how much is purely natural. A perfectly
reasonable question to ask.
Bob Kolker
Coby Beck
news:AM-dnQT2UaD1pPPZ...@comcast.com...
>
> The fact is there are cyclic processes affecting climate which have no
> relation to human activity. So the real question is how much climatic
> change is anthropogenic and how much is purely natural. A perfectly
> reasonable question to ask.
While it is undoubtably true that there are some cycles and natural
variations in global climate, anyone who wishes to insist that the current
warming is purely or even just mostly natural has two challenges. Firstly,
they need to identify just what this alledged natural mechanism is because
absent a forcing of some sort, there will be no change in global energy
balance. So natural or otherwise we should be able to find this mysterious
cause. Secondly, a "natural cause" proponent needs to come up with some
explanation for how a 30% increase in the second most important Greenhouse
Gas does not itself affect the global temperature.
In other words, there is a well developed, internally consistent theory that
predicts the effects we are observing, so where is the sceptic model, or
theory whereby CO2 does not affect the temperature and where is the evidence
of some other natural forcing?
There is a fine historical example of a very dramatic and very regular
climate cycle that can be read in the ice core records taken both in
Greenland and in the Antarctic. A naive reading of this cycle indicates we
should be experiencing a cooling trend now, and indeed we were very
gradually cooling over the length of the preindustrial Holocene, something
around .5C averaged over 8000 years. It is informative to compare those
fluctuations to today's changes. Leaving aside the descents into glaciation,
which were much more gradual, the very sudden (geologically speaking) jumps
up in temperature every ~100Kyrs actually represent a rate of change roughly
ten times slower than the rate we are currently witnessing.
So could the current change be natural? Well, there is no identified natural
cause (and they have been looked for), there is no theory of climate where
CO2 does not drive the temperature and the natural cycle precedents do not
show the same extreme reaction we are now witnessing.
(That would be a "No")
--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")