>
["Awe Shit"]
> PV provided DC electricity naturally without conversion losses to
> electrolyze water. FACT.
>
[hanson]
::::: ...naturally, "Awe Shit"... naturally.... CACT, cack, gack....
>
["Awe Shit"]
> H2 produces no hurricane-spawning, global warming, carbon gases. FACT.
> PV produces enough energy to power furnaces to produce more PV. FACT.
>
[hanson]
::::: ... so much, actually, until it spawns hurricanes, naturally, a CACT FACT.
>
["Awe Shit"]
> PV-H2 can be deployed worldwide in ten years to totally replace carbon
> fuels in ever POWER application. FACT.
>
[hanson]
"Awe Shit", your are one of them bad conservative deniers, when in
FACT, you full well know that, if left to their pinko green ways, enviros
would have deployed PV-H2 worldwide ten years AGO to totally
replace carbon fuels in ever POWER application as a CACT FACT...
with the ONLY real FACT remaining that all what the greenies did was
to advocate, promote, support, legalize, institute and extort the permit
charges, the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
ahahaha... ahahahanson
Not that I am your comrade in arms vs the enviros. Rather I am one time
EE student and then a physical chemist who is disturbed by the cant and
the blindness of the enviros. If they really want to do some good they
ought to dump the global warming thing as merely possible or a
concommitant variation related to greater agencies (such as interstellar
dust clouds) that we can't really control and focus on conservation and
more efficient use of energy agencies. Also we sure could use more
nuclear power stations.
FK
> Not that I am your comrade in arms vs the enviros. Rather I am one time
> EE student and then a physical chemist who is disturbed by the cant and
> the blindness of the enviros. If they really want to do some good they
> ought to dump the global warming thing as merely possible or a
> concommitant variation related to greater agencies (such as interstellar
> dust clouds) that we can't really control and focus on conservation and
> more efficient use of energy agencies. Also we sure could use more
> nuclear power stations.
> FK
You have issued your terrorist demands:
Unless people only discuss what you dictate on your terms you will
perpetually harrass them and interfere with their constitional right to
assemble and have free speech.
]
You have shown identical behavior patterns as the ATTACK JACKAL HANSON,
whose terrorist demands include ceasing all protections of the
environment or be perpetually stalked by himslf and harrassed.
> Not that I am your comrade in arms vs the enviros. Rather I am one time
> EE student and then a physical chemist who is disturbed by the cant and
> the blindness of the enviros. If they really want to do some good they
> ought to dump the global warming thing as merely possible or a
> concommitant variation related to greater agencies (such as interstellar
> dust clouds) that we can't really control and focus on conservation and
> more efficient use of energy agencies. Also we sure could use more
> nuclear power stations.
> FK
You have issued your terrorist demands:
Unless people only discuss what you dictate, on your terms, you will
perpetually harrass them and interfere with their constitional right to
assemble and have free speech.
]
You have shown identical behavior patterns as the ATTACK JACKAL HANSON,
whose terrorist demands include ceasing all protections of the
environment or be perpetually stalked by himself and harrassed.
<snip>
>
>Not that I am your comrade in arms vs the enviros. Rather I am one time
>EE student and then a physical chemist who is disturbed by the cant and
>the blindness of the enviros. If they really want to do some good they
>ought to dump the global warming thing as merely possible or a
>concommitant variation related to greater agencies (such as interstellar
>dust clouds) that we can't really control and focus on conservation and
>more efficient use of energy agencies. Also we sure could use more
>nuclear power stations.
>FK
I'm with you, Fred.
Bill
The TERRORISTS HAVE MADE THEIR NON-NEGOTIABLE DEMANDS:
"Stop exercising your constitutional rights to assmeble and conduct
free speech, ow WE (Hanson, Kasner, Ward) will endless harrass you".
Since I know I am dealing with a pack of jackels who take things out of
context and deny they even said a thing by next message I post 6
prophylactic messages in the following order, all in close proximity so
that when you received one you received the next before you could post
to reply to the first. For technical reasons, and courtesy about
overlong posts, all six were not combined into one.
1 = Things to know about Power Grids before embarassing yourself #1
http://tinyurl.com/acy5d (google archive message)
2 = Things to Know About Power Generation Before You Embarrass Yourself
#2
http://tinyurl.com/dmevp (google archive message)
3 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3a
http://tinyurl.com/aknxk (google archive message)
4 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3b (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/76ksc (google archive message)
5 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3c (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/a9ouw (google archive message)
6 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3d (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/ahylo (google archive message)
<snip links>
But Sparky, you have to actually _read_and_understand_ them
before they will do you any good. In your panicked
condition, you have clearly just skimmed through them,
searching for some snippet, anything to save your sorry
butt. The problem is that you still don't understand
diddly-squat about the power grid, and are trying to cover
that up instead of educating yourself. By now you know, or
should know that you were wrong on every point.
The frequency issue you seized on is no good. Dan didn't
say there was a _big_ deltaf, just that it was one way of
looking at adding power to the system. The rest of us
understood it, the (your) cites confirm it, and you're still
yammering along like you had a clue, talking about wildly
abnormal conditions like 2Hz beat frequencies.
You have already supplied enough entertainment for now. Why
don't you relax, read and understand the references, and get
back to us when you comprehend enough to be taken seriously.
BTW, I hate to mention it, but you are a failure even as a
troll. A troll is supposed to stir up debate in a NG, then
settle back and watch the fur fly. So far it's all your
fur.
You are apparently confusing spamming with trolling, as
counting your multiple personalities you seem to have posted
far more than anyone else, including numerous nearly
identical articles. Some ISPs may take a dim view of that.
What is real scary about all this is that he should have gotten at least
half of the stuff right, yet he was not even wrong on EVERY point.
Sort of like a student getting a zero on a twenty question true-false test.
Possibly a bot.
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: d...@tinaja.com
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
OHHH look at all the Ad Hom "points" I win by the slurs and harrassment
from ATTACK JACKAL Bill Ward.
> The frequency issue you seized on is no good. Dan didn't
> say there was a _big_ deltaf, just that it was one way of
> looking at adding power to the system. The rest of us
> understood it, the (your) cites confirm it, and you're still
> yammering along like you had a clue, talking about wildly
> abnormal conditions like 2Hz beat frequencies.
OHHH look at more Ad Hom "points" I win by the slurs and harrassment
from ATTACK JACKAL Bill Ward.
> You have already supplied enough entertainment for now. Why
> don't you relax, read and understand the references, and get
> back to us when you comprehend enough to be taken seriously.
OHHH look at more Ad Hom "points" I win by the slurs and harrassment
from ATTACK JACKAL Bill Ward.
> BTW, I hate to mention it, but you are a failure even as a
> troll. A troll is supposed to stir up debate in a NG, then
> settle back and watch the fur fly. So far it's all your
> fur.
67 messages were posted in the thread. Obviously some people were
spring-loaded looking for a change to get the fur flying.
The ATTACK JACKEL TROLLS actually never discussed the subject matter of
the thread leading message -- just attempted to HARRASS the poster with
multiple attacks without credible contributions.
> You are apparently confusing spamming with trolling, as
> counting your multiple personalities you seem to have posted
> far more than anyone else, including numerous nearly
> identical articles. Some ISPs may take a dim view of that.
I have the right to exercise my freedom of speech. Those of you who
don't like it can go back to the Soviet Union or North Korea where you
came from.
Thanks for admitting I was not even wrong on EVERY POINT.
PS: Hey, "Awe Shit"!... I didn't mean to crank you to the point
where you see now a "pack of jackals" all around you... ahahaha..
It is your own green paranoia that makes you feel like "everybody
is out to suppress your free speech"... ahahaha... How many times
do I have to tell you that you are hilariously funny and doing a fine
& excellent job at/of making environmentalis/m/ts look really stupid.
Again thanks for the fun, "Awe Shit"... I'll be around.... ahahaha
ahaha... ahahanson
> Where does all that energy come from to make hydrogen. And where
> does all that energy come from to make PV equipment. And what does
> it cost to produce one KWh of electricity by PV? Those facts are
> soemthing that you find inconvenient and so ignore.
They come from "Intelligent Design"?
Thanks for admitting I was not even wrong on EVERY POINT."
Sorry, but.... Are you really this incredibly stupid? ROFLOL!
Harry C.
PS1:
"Awe Shit" is a new green turn-coat, now an agent provocateur, a
stooge & shill in the pay of Big Oil and other Anti-environmental fat
cats to make environmetalis/m/ts look bad, stupid and irrelevant.
"Awe Shit" has taken brilliantly advantage of the classical fact that
Environmentalism is nothing but green pornography,
pimped by green orgs like NRDC, Sierra club, etc.,
whored and hookered by green bureaucrats from EPA down,
johned, pole- and lapdanced by the hordes of little green idiots
and paid for by extorting the money from hardworking taxpayers.
>
PS2:
"Awe Shit" was there something in particular that cranked you
in here which made you retort with YOUR "Intelligent Design?:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/9a172e15efc16b83
Thanks for the kind words. Occasional bad health limits the time I can
spend on this NG. It seems most days that I spend time on the copmuter
updating malware programs and files on my Windows box. This is why I
have done more of my time using a Linux box. I can usually safely ignore
the malware attached to stuff I find I have downloaded.
There are a cadre of us of whom only Don Lancaster is mostly active.
Bless him. We have been able to beat back the "free" energy guys and the
water as a fuel guys with some considerable expenditure of energy. But
the thing that they mostly showed in the past was only occasional fury
and outbursts of personal invective. The present crew seems to be unable
to argue ratinally without invective and dishonesty of the highest
order. I am sure, Mark, that free interchange without the harshness is
something that although now in short supply in NGs will eventually
prevail as the ssupporters of "blue sky" schemes slowly come to realize
that they have been unable to produce something for the market and are
unable to entice any more innocents into their camp.
Best wishes.
Fred
>
> [hanson to Fred]
> [B] You don't have to get the feeling that you need to become my
> comrade... hahahaAHAHA... Don't worry, Fred, hanson travels alone.
> But when I see a convenient vehicle to underline my point, I make
> use of that. Shamelessly. So, thanks for having been of help, Fred.
> [C] Fred, you have not come to grips yet with the fact that enviros
> will never do "something good". Their game is curt and simple:
> $$$ Greenbacks. That's all. They give a rat's ass about the earth.
> If they would then THEY'd put THEIR money where their mouth is.
> Instead, the GREENS WANT YOUR MONEY to feed their mouths...
> [D].... ahahaha.... now, Fred where did I vilify you and why, for crying
> out loud, why would I wanna I vilify myself?.... AHAHAHAHA... Fred,
> cough it up: Are you are closet greenie after all? ..... THAT would
> be really pathetic, Fred... ahahaha... Thanks for the laughs, Fred....
> ahahaha... ahaha... ahahanson
>
> PS: Hey, "Awe Shit"!... I didn't mean to crank you to the point
> where you see now a "pack of jackals" all around you... ahahaha..
> It is your own green paranoia that makes you feel like "everybody
> is out to suppress your free speech"... ahahaha... How many times
> do I have to tell you that you are hilariously funny and doing a fine
> & excellent job at/of making environmentalis/m/ts look really stupid.
> Again thanks for the fun, "Awe Shit"... I'll be around.... ahahaha
> ahaha... ahahanson
>
>
>
Actually, I never have given as cent to the enviro causes. Why? Because
I know that lots of their most prestigious spokespersons are inherently
dishonest. When privately challenged, they admit that they tell lies and
distort facts. They justify this as being for the greater good of
environmentalism. Also, save conservation of resources and more use of
nuclear energy, the ability to combat production of greenhouse gases is
a snare and a delusion. Plant life decay, water evaporation, and
cleaaring of plant covered land are about the only things we can control
to even a small extent. The problme is the Earth's population. Large
numbers need large amounts of fuels. The possible cosmic factors have
been there for a long time (e.g,, alternating periods of glaciation and
tropical heat independent of anything man can do) and variations of
orbital factors and interstellar dust are more likely culprits than
bipedal creature activity.
FK
I'll go along with that. The intelligent designer is clearly the author
of global warming.
FK
Poor Sparky, the victimized troll. Why does everyone pick
on his innocent little self? Tell you what, stop the
whining and I'll double your "Ad Hom" points.
Then you can trade them in to buy a clue.
>
>> BTW, I hate to mention it, but you are a failure even as a
>> troll. A troll is supposed to stir up debate in a NG, then
>> settle back and watch the fur fly. So far it's all your
>> fur.
>
>67 messages were posted in the thread. Obviously some people were
>spring-loaded looking for a change to get the fur flying.
Some of us are just ticked off that you would try to mislead
readers in a sci. NG with your paranoid rant.
>
>The ATTACK JACKEL TROLLS actually never discussed the subject matter of
>the thread leading message -- just attempted to HARRASS the poster with
>multiple attacks without credible contributions.
Ah, yes. Correcting your obvious factual errors is
definitely unfair harassment. Take a few more "ad hom"
points.
>
>> You are apparently confusing spamming with trolling, as
>> counting your multiple personalities you seem to have posted
>> far more than anyone else, including numerous nearly
>> identical articles. Some ISPs may take a dim view of that.
>
>I have the right to exercise my freedom of speech.
And we don't? Guess again, Sparky.
Bill Ward (An evil Attack Jackal)
And the misleading at the top of the thread that caused 67 messages
(mostly off thread) was misleading in what point or points?
Here's the messages I posted that have to do with accurate perceptions
of what's happening with Power, Transmission, and Grid.
1 = Things to know about Power Grids before embarassing yourself #1
http://tinyurl.com/acy5d (google archive message)
2 = Things to Know About Power Generation Before You Embarrass Yourself
#2
http://tinyurl.com/dmevp (google archive message)
3 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3a
http://tinyurl.com/aknxk (google archive message)
4 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3b (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/76ksc (google archive message)
5 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3c (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/a9ouw (google archive message)
6 = Things to Know About Power Transmission Before Embarrassing
Yourself #3d (You know who you are.)
http://tinyurl.com/ahylo (google archive message)
Point out the misleading things. Take your time.
> >The ATTACK JACKEL TROLLS actually never discussed the subject matter of
> >the thread leading message -- just attempted to HARRASS the poster with
> >multiple attacks without credible contributions.
>
> Ah, yes. Correcting your obvious factual errors is
> definitely unfair harassment. Take a few more "ad hom"
> points.
The average attack Jackal message does not correct factual errors. It
sends ad hominum attacks to discredit the messenger so that the message
doesn't have to be addressed.
I have gotten an idea from this exercise who is charter members of the
attack pack.
>
> Bill Ward (An evil Attack Jackal)
Glad you can be upfront on your behavior for a change and admit it.
Here's my statement, my points, and I'm sticking with them...
Ha! You didn't even get that right! You're an evil Attack Jackel! Can't you
even spell wrong?
Tim Ward
My first post in that thread contained the following:
(you were posting under a different alias)
<begin repost excerpt>
==============
On 2 Nov 2005 18:12:12 -0800, "H2-PV"
<H2...@whythefucknot.com> wrote:
<snip>
[you wrote]
>If a power plant is currently producing 100MWs but demand has fallen to
>90MWs at the instant, what is the value of the 10 surplus MWs? Unless
>it is stored it evaporates -- poof -- into nothingness, not even a
>shadow left behind.
[I responded]
That is not correct. Until you understand why, you have
zero credibility.
<snip>
==============
<end repost excerpt>
It was misleading because it is wrong, and you refused to
retract it. Ignorance was no longer an excuse.
>Here's the messages I posted that have to do with accurate perceptions
>of what's happening with Power, Transmission, and Grid.
>
<snip redundant links>
>
>Point out the misleading things. Take your time.
I have no issue with the links. It's what _you_ are posting
that is wrong and misleading. You do not know enough to
even understand what you have cut and pasted.
>
>> >The ATTACK JACKEL TROLLS actually never discussed the subject matter of
>> >the thread leading message -- just attempted to HARRASS the poster with
>> >multiple attacks without credible contributions.
>>
>> Ah, yes. Correcting your obvious factual errors is
>> definitely unfair harassment. Take a few more "ad hom"
>> points.
>
>The average attack Jackal message does not correct factual errors. It
>sends ad hominum attacks to discredit the messenger so that the message
>doesn't have to be addressed.
>
>I have gotten an idea from this exercise who is charter members of the
>attack pack.
>
>
>>
>> Bill Ward (An evil Attack Jackal)
>
>Glad you can be upfront on your behavior for a change and admit it.
>
>Here's my statement, my points, and I'm sticking with them...
>
<snip redundant links>
They are not your statements, they are not your points, and
they do not support your points.
What you are stuck with is that you have made an everlasting
ass of yourself on an archived newsgroup.
Congratulations on your new career. Maybe it will better fit
your abilities and behavior.
Bill Ward (off to pounce on the next hapless victim)