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stuti singh

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May 21, 2021, 9:59:26тАпAM5/21/21
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Hello Everyone,

My name is Stuti Singh. I am studying Computer Science (B.Sc) from Pune University and will be graduating in the month of August.

I have been trying to follow the group and the things happening around but it's hard to catch up with, certainly, when I don't know where to begin from.(Not complaining to you all, thought I could share)

I have interest in pursuing NLP and Theory of Automation to dig in deeper to understand how Sanskrit can be used to implement NLP at a better level, leaving behind the other languages, in terms of hen it comes to Formal Automata or building up a FSA.┬а
I understand we need to get into deeper aspects of compiler construction and other various concerning areas.┬а
But here is the issue: having an idea about the whereabouts is not enough. I am not sure where to begin my research/analysis with?┬а
And the posts that everyone adds in the room seem to be very professional and I am a newbie to all of this.┬а

Hoping to get some advice and instructions on where and how to begin with, because I really want to work on this. I just a bit overwhelmed.┬а

Warm Regards

Stuti Singh

рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реЛ рд╡рд╛рд╕реБрдХрд┐рдЬрдГ (Vishvas Vasuki)

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May 21, 2021, 8:43:43тАпPM5/21/21
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On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:29 PM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

My name is Stuti Singh. I am studying Computer Science (B.Sc) from Pune University and will be graduating in the month of August.

I have been trying to follow the group and the things happening around but it's hard to catch up with, certainly, when I don't know where to begin from.(Not complaining to you all, thought I could share)

I have interest in pursuing NLP and Theory of Automation to dig in deeper to understand how Sanskrit can be used to implement NLP at a better level, leaving behind the other languages, in terms of hen it comes to Formal Automata or building up a FSA.┬а

Can you flesh out in detail what you mean by the above (esp. " Sanskrit can be used to implement NLP")? Prima facie it seems like one of those "Sanskrit is superior for making programming languages" trope, which is bunk.

┬а
But here is the issue: having an idea about the whereabouts is not enough. I am not sure where to begin my research/analysis with?┬а

My suggestion: Pick some interesting problem and solve it - build something others can use (reading and writing research articles being an optional side-effect). This need not involve FSA or ML. Otherwise even if you focus on merely publishing some research/ analysis, you will forever be wondering if you did anything truly useful.

Start with some simple problem, and progress towards tougher ones if that's really your interest. Alternatively, don't care about "complexity" and just build things YOU want as a sanskrit student or researcher.

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And the posts that everyone adds in the room seem to be very professional and I am a newbie to all of this.┬а

Hoping to get some advice and instructions on where and how to begin with, because I really want to work on this. I just a bit overwhelmed.┬а

Warm Regards

Stuti Singh

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stuti singh

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May 21, 2021, 10:48:01тАпPM5/21/21
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https://indiaai.gov.in/article/fundamentals-of-nlp-research-in-sanskrit
Please read the above article and then we'll talk about this in detail. Want to get rid of that misconception first.┬а

Shreevatsa R

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May 21, 2021, 10:57:55тАпPM5/21/21
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Welcome, and good luck.

You can think of the following two questions as separate tracks:
- "What can Sanskrit do for computers?", and
- "What can computers do for Sanskrit?"

It seems that you are more interested┬аin the former, and while I have not seen anything concrete and promising in that direction so far, maybe your research will find something.
Meanwhile, most posts on this mailing list so far are about the latter. The┬аinnovations here are not often cutting-edge research when viewed as CS, but are useful in the context of people working with Sanskrit.

stuti singh

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May 21, 2021, 11:09:52тАпPM5/21/21
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Thank you for the clarification. Helped me a lot.┬а
And yes, you're right.┬а
But there is some research being taken place in UK, India, and the US for the former.┬а

It'll be a big leap if we're successful┬аif anything else.┬а

рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реЛ рд╡рд╛рд╕реБрдХрд┐рдЬрдГ (Vishvas Vasuki)

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May 22, 2021, 12:06:11тАпAM5/22/21
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://indiaai.gov.in/article/fundamentals-of-nlp-research-in-sanskrit
Please read the above article and then we'll talk about this in detail. Want to get rid of that misconception first.┬а

Sorry to note that the "Solving distributional similarity as the first use case" section is quite wrong in so far as it talks about sanskrit. The author comes off as someone who has no clue that sanskrit is quite rich in words with ambiguous meanings. He should have opened a dictionary and taken a look. For example, рд╣рд░рд┐ means viShNu, lion, monkey, and many more things.

The overarching goal seems to be to use sanskrit as a bridge between modern Indian languages and machines. ("The vision of this research is to ensure that 23 mother tongues and 1645 dialects spoken in India are also available to every Indian so that they can seamlessly communicate with the machines of the future.") That's a reasonable approach as long as one uses a highly constrained form of the language (eliminating euphonic combinations, strictly defining a semantic jargon to avoid word ambiguities) - perhaps motivated by the use of sanskrit as a natural intermediate when translating between various Indian languages.

This was the only "sanskrit for NLP" bit I found there - rest of it is NLP for sanskrit/ marathi/ hindI etc. (but interesting in their┬аown right).


On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:39 AM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
But there is some research being taken place in UK, India, and the US for the former.┬а

Really? I've never heard of such research outside India, and would be obliged if someone could point me to such research. Some people make up stories about "NASA doing sanskrit research" - that's bogus.

┬а

stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 12:26:28тАпAM5/22/21
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hey before passing such judgements why don't you go on and do some more detailed research on the subject.┬а
We're talking about lexical analysis and formal language┬аconstruction here.┬а

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May 22, 2021, 1:27:35тАпAM5/22/21
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:56 AM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
hey before passing such judgements why don't you go on and do some more detailed research on the subject.┬а

Which "judgements" indicate to you that I'm talking about things I don't understand?┬а Since from the above you seem to think that you've done "some more detailed research on the subject", it would be helpful if you illustrate a gap in my understanding with specifics.

┬а
We're talking about lexical analysis and formal language┬аconstruction here.┬а

Who's "we" here? I think I've understood the article, it's author and you quite well.

┬а

Lokesh Sharma

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May 22, 2021, 1:34:01тАпAM5/22/21
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stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 2:35:57тАпAM5/22/21
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The "we" over here, is everybody who considers the possibility of Sanskrit being used as a formal language to proceed with speech analysis, etc in NLP and AI.┬а
So it is not just the author and me, Sir.┬а

stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 3:17:15тАпAM5/22/21
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With all due┬аrespect, Sir, I never┬аsaid, "you didn't understand", what I did say was, to pass comments and judgments and putting in statements like "it is bogus", you really need to have the knowledge of the bits and pieces of NLP, AI, compiler construction and why┬аhas been Sanskrit considered a relevant solution┬аin terms of coming up with an FL for future AI.┬а

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May 22, 2021, 6:50:19тАпAM5/22/21
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
With all due┬аrespect, Sir, I never┬аsaid, "you didn't understand", what I did say was, to pass comments and judgments and putting in statements like "it is bogus", you really need to have the knowledge of the bits and pieces of NLP, AI, compiler construction and why┬аhas been Sanskrit considered a relevant solution┬аin terms of coming up with an FL for future AI.┬а

I stand by every statement I made, stuti - and fear not, I've got the background you┬аdeem necessary above (which you can verify by Googling up my┬аCV or profile :-)┬а

I'm open to being corrected, but it would be irresponsible of me to let false (bogus to be blunt) claims go unchallenged.

stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 7:06:13тАпAM5/22/21
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why are you calling it bogus?┬а

рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реЛ рд╡рд╛рд╕реБрдХрд┐рдЬрдГ (Vishvas Vasuki)

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May 22, 2021, 7:22:10тАпAM5/22/21
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:36 PM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
why are you calling it bogus?┬а

It would help if you clearly and precisely restate the statement you're contesting,┬аwithout me needing to ask you what you're referring to every time. I hope you're not talking about this one: "Some people make up stories about┬а"NASA doing sanskrit research" - that's bogus."

┬а

Irene Galstian

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May 22, 2021, 7:38:12тАпAM5/22/21
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Stuti,
You are a new person to the group and may not know it well. Instead of starting off with confrontation, please consider for a moment the possibility that Vishvas is saying what heтАЩs saying to help you. You sound like someone who is under the influence of certain unproductive assumptions and misinformation that you seem to have assimilated without cross-checking. Where did this stuff come from? Your professors? Classmates? Mass media? Is it not the time to find out whatтАЩs actually doable right now and how itтАЩs doable? If you think it is, please consider listening to Vishvas carefully so you can gain valuable firsthand experience sooner rather than later. Have you not lost a bit of time already if youтАЩre raising such questions at the end of your degree?┬а
Best of luck to you, however you choose to proceed.┬а

On 22 May 2021, at 12:06 pm, stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:

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stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 8:39:03тАпAM5/22/21
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Okay, let's start over.┬а
Apologies, I do not mean to raise confrontations┬аhere, more likely to learn than anything else.┬а
I'll try to understand, what went wrong in my research.┬а
please help me with from your end as well.

stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 8:53:11тАпAM5/22/21
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Sir, no I was not exactly pointing to that. It was a general term used. I Apologize.
please read the article, it does make sense to me.┬а
Do share your views on the same.┬а┬а

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stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 10:31:10тАпAM5/22/21
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On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:23 PM stuti singh <singhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir, no I was not exactly pointing to that. It was a general term used. I Apologize.
please read the article, it does make sense to me.┬а
Do share your views on the same.┬а┬а

My reaction is quite different (not going into the general listlessness and poor language ["silent features"]). It is banal in many of the correct statements it makes, self contradictory ("Sanskrit language ┬аovercomes ┬аall of ┬аthese hurdles" ... "There are different types of ambiguities..."), absurd at places ("GOOGLE TRANS- LATOR - Translation is provided only for Hindi, Urdu and San- skrit.") and ill supported elsewhere ("┬аbest ┬аsuited ┬аnatural ┬аlanguage ┬аfor ┬аmachine translation" - they have not considered any other language seriously, let alone highly structured conlangs).

About the only valuable thing in the paper is the tabulated list of machine translation systems. Otherwise, at best, their intuition that the relatively higher degree of well-analyzed structure in sanskrit makes it easier (not necessarily easiest) for machine translation input / output may be true - though IMO hype surpasses the degree to which it is true.

┬а

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Andrew Ollett

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May 22, 2021, 12:58:47тАпPM5/22/21
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I agree with Vishvas' evaluation of the research that has been referred to in this discussion, and I'd like to add one brief comment, relating especially to the Deshpande and Kulkarni paper (which appears not to have been copy-edited, much less peer-reviewed):

It is an elementary mistake, which ought to be corrected in a first-year linguistics or NLP class, to think that languages with relatively rich inflectional morphology are less "ambiguous" than languages with little inflectional morphology. If you think that Sanskrit is "unambiguous," you probably have not read any real Sanskrit texts. (I need not mention that, because of compounding, a Sanskrit sentence might actually have less overt marking of grammatical relations between words than an English or Chinese sentence!)

The "first wave" of "Sanskrit Computational Linguistics" focused on leveraging (a) Sanskrit's rich inflectional morphology and (b) the long and impressive history of grammatical analysis of the Sanskrit language to produce computer models of Sanskrit phonology and morphology (the work of Kulkarni, Huet, Patel, etc.). Arguably all of the questions that could be presented by a single word-form,┬аsuch as how to identify its constituent morphemes, how to apply sandhi┬аrules, what P─Бс╣Зinian rules are invoked, and in what sequence, to account for its derivation, etc. have been satisfactorily answered in this first wave, although further refinements are of course possible and desirable.

The "first wave" crashed when it came to units of large larger than the word. Rule-based approaches, which were the stock-in-trade of the first wave, fail to produce satisfactory results for undoing the sandhi or analyzing the sam─Бsas of even simple sentences, to say nothing of relatively complex sentences, and to say nothing of generating (e.g.) dependency trees. Now it so happens that, if you are actually interested in Sanskrit literature, there are lots of questions that can't be answered (or even asked) with rule-based, word-based approaches. We need (a) statistical/machine-learning approaches, and (b) large amounts of tokenized, lemmatized, and dependency-graphed Sanskrit text. (Eventually we will have to introduce futher features, like genre, date, etc.) But here we have two huge bottlenecks: whereas those who have a knowledge of Sanskrit could be presumed to at least have had an acquaintance with rule-based derivational systems (since the Aс╣гс╣н─Бdhy─Бy─л is such a system), there is absolutely no reason to hope that readers of Sanskrit will know anything at all about machine-learning approaches; and whereas it takes somewhere between a few hours and a few weeks of learning Sanskrit to correctly identify individual word-forms, it takes many years of learning Sanskrit to correctly identify all of the dependency relations in a moderately complex Sanskrit sentence. The number of researchers who are active in this "second wave" is certainly in the single digits, and it might be no more than one or two. (It certainly does not include me.)

The "Sanskrit and NLP" literature has, with some important exceptions, largely avoided the really large tasks ahead of us, and has instead focused on "toy" projects like translating English into Sanskrit. (I don't mean to be dismissive of projects like that, from which we might learn something --- but I am not really sure what it is we'll learn, and in any case it won't help people read real Sanskrit texts.) To some degree that's because the problems really are difficult. But it's also due to a circumstance that I think Vishvas was alluding to: people can sometimes get excited about the "idea" of Sanskrit (for various reasons) without properly learning the language or spending a lot of time reading Sanskrit texts.

рдкреНрд░рдХреГрддрдордиреБрд╕рд░рд╛рдордГ ред рд╕реНрддреБрддрд┐рдорд╣реЛрджрдпрдпреМ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдЧрддрдореН ред рдЕрддреНрд░ рдЪ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреЗрд╖реБ рднрд╡рддреНрдпрд╛рдГ рд╕рд╣рдХрд╛рд░рд┐рддреНрд╡рдВ рдмрд╣реБрдордВрд╕реНрдпрд╛рдорд╣реЗ ред


stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 1:24:12тАпPM5/22/21
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Wow. Never paid┬аattention to that! Different perspective. Thanks!
A lot to learn, indeed!ЁЯЩП

stuti singh

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May 22, 2021, 1:26:35тАпPM5/22/21
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Yes Sir, at the moment, it is. But let's not discard the possibility of it happening in┬аfuture, right.ЁЯЩП
Thanks for the inferences.┬а
Will definitely learn a lot from┬аyouЁЯЩП

Apologies for the indifferent attitude shown earlier.┬а

Regards┬а
Stuti Singh

рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд

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May 23, 2021, 2:01:05тАпAM5/23/21
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But let's not discard the possibility of it happening in┬аfuture, right.ЁЯЩП

(English version follows Sanskrit text)

рджреНрд╡рд┐рд╡рд┐реСрдзрд╛рдВ рдореТрддрд┐рдорд┐реТрд╣ рдкреНрд░реСрд╕реТрдЩреНрдЧреЗрдгрд╛рд╡реСрдзрд╛рд░рдпрд╛рдорд┐ред рдПрдХреЗреС "рд╡реТрдпрдВ рд╢реНрд░реЗрд╖реНрдард╛рдГреС рд╕реНрдореТ" рдЗрддрд┐реС рдкреНрд░рдереТрдорд╛рдВ рджрдзрд╛реСрдирд╛рдГ рдХреТрджрд╛рдЪрд┐реТрдЪреНрдЫрдЩреНрдХреСрдорд╛рдирд╛реТ рди рд╡рд╛реТ рд╢рдЩреНрдХреСрдорд╛рдирд╛ рдЖреТрддреНрдорддреБреСрд╖реНрдЯреМ рд╢реНрд▓рд╛рдШрд╛реТрдорд╛рд░реНрдЧреСрдгреЗ рдЪ рд░рдордиреНрддреЗред рдЕреТрдиреНрдпреЗ "рд╡реТрдпрдВ рд╢реНрд░реЗрд╖реНрдард╛рдГреС рд╕реНрдпрд╛рдореТ" рдЗрддрд┐реС рджреНрд╡рд┐реТрддреАрдпрд╛рдВреТ рджрдзрд╛реСрдирд╛реТрд╕реНрддрджреСрд░реНрдердВреТ рд╡рд┐рд╡рд┐реСрдзреИрд░реБрдкрд╛реТрдпреИрд░реНрдпреСрддрдиреНрддреЗред рдЕрддреНрд░реС рд╡реТрдпрдорд┐рддреНрдпреТрд╕реНрдпрд╛рддреНрдордирдГреС рдХреБреТрд▓рдВ, рдЧреНрд░рд╛рдордГреС, рд╕рдореНрдкреНрд░рджрд╛реТрдпрдГ, рдкреНрд░реСрджреЗреТрд╢реЛ, рд░рд╛реТрд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рдВ,┬а рдЪреС рдЧреГрд╣реНрдпрдиреНрддрд╛рдореНред рдпреЗ┬арджреНрд╡рд┐реТрддреАрдпрд╛реТрд╕реНрддреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реСрдЪреНрдЪ рд╕реТрдореНрдпрдЧреН рджреНрд░рд╖реНрдЯреБрдВреС рд╢рдХреНрдиреБрд╡рдиреНрддрд┐ред рдпреЗ рддреБ рдкреНрд░реСрдереТрдорд╛рд╕реНрддреЗрд╖рд╛рдВреТ рдХрд┐рдВ рдмреНрд░реВреСрдпрд╛рдореНред рдХреНрд╖реТрдпрд╛реТрднрд┐реТрдореБреТрдЦрд╛ рдПреТрд╡ рдд рдЗрддрд┐реС рд╡рдХреНрддреТрд╡реНрдпреСрдореНред рдпрддреН рдХрд┐рдордкрд┐реС рднреТрджреНрд░рдореТрд╕реНрдорд╕реБреТ рддрджреСрдзрд┐реТрдХреГрддреНрдпрд╛реТрд╕реНрдорд╛рдХрдВреС рджреНрд╡рд┐реТрддреАрдпреСрд╡реГрддреНрддреАрдирд╛рдВ рдкреВрд░реНрд╡реТрдЬрд╛рдирд╛рдВреС рдХреГрддреТрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдГ рд╕реНрдпрд╛реСрдоред

рджреНрд╡рд┐реТрддреАрдпрд╛реТ рдЕрдкрд┐реС рдХреТрджрд╛рдЪрд┐реСрджреН рдЕреТрдиреНрдпреЗрд╖рд╛реСрдорд╡реТрдзрд╛рдирд╛реСрдп рд╡рд┐рддреНрддрд╛рджрд┐рдирд┐рд╡реЗреТрд╢рдорд╡рд╛реСрдкреНрддреБрдВ рдЪрд╛реТрддреНрдордиреС рдЙрддреНрдХреТрд░реНрд╖рдВ рджреСрд░реНрд╢рдпреЗрдпреБрдГред рдХрд┐рдиреНрддреБ рддрддреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрд░реСрдорддреНрддрд╛рдГ рд╕реНрдпреБрдГред рдЖреТрддреНрдорд╛рдиреСрдореЗреТрд╡ рди рдореЛреСрд╣рдпреЗрдпреБреТрд╕реНрддреЗрдиреТ рд╣реНрдпреСрд╡реТрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдореЗреТрд╡рд╛рд╡рд╛реТрдкреНрд╕реНрдпрдиреНрддрд┐реТ, рди рдирд┐реСрд╡реЗреТрд╢рдореНред рдпрджрд┐реС рдорд╛реТрдпрдпрд╛реТ рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХреГреСрддрдВ рднрд╛рд╖рд╛рд╕реТрдЩреНрдЧрдгреСрдирд╛реТрдпреЛрдкреСрдпреБрдХреНрддрдВ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рдкрд╛реТрджрдпреЗреТрд╕реНрддрдиреНрдиреВреТрдирдВ рд░рд╛реСрд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рднреТрдХреНрддреИрд░реНрдмреТрд╣реБ рдордВреСрд╕реНрдпрд╕реЗреТ, рди рддреБ рднрд╛рд░реСрддрдВреТ рдЬрдЧреСрддрд┐реТ рднреВрдпрд╛рдВреСрд╕рдВреТ рдорд╛рдиреТрдордзрд┐реСрдЧрдорд┐рд╖реНрдпрддрд┐ред

рджреНрд╡рд┐реТрддреАрдпреСрд╡реГрддреНрддреТрдпреЛрдкрд┐реС рдкреНрд░рд╛реТрдпреЗрдгреС рдЪрд┐реТрд░рдореСрдзреАреТрдпрдорд╛реСрдиреЗрд╖реБ рд╡рд┐рд╖реТрдпреЗрд╖реНрд╡рдиреБреСрд░рдХреНрддрд╛ рднрд╡рдиреНрддрд┐реТ рдпрджрд┐реТ рджреБрд░реСрднрд┐рдкреНрд░рд╛рдпрддрдорд╛рдГ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдЪреНрдпрд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╡рд┐рд╢рд╛рд░реТрджрд╛ рди рд╕реНрдпреБрдГред рддрддреТрд╕реНрддрд╛рдиреН рд╡рд┐реСрд╖реТрдпрд╛рдиреН рдЙреСрддреНрддреТрдорд╛рдиреН рдЖреТрддреНрдорд╛рдирдВреС рдЪреТ рддрд╛рдиреН рдЕреСрдзреАрдпрд╛реТрдирдордкрд┐реТ рд╡рд░рд┐реСрд╖реНрдардВреТ рдордиреНрдпреСрдорд╛рдирд╛ рдИреТрд╖рддреН рдкреНрд░реСрдереТрдордпрд╛рдЪреСрд░рдиреНрддрд┐ред рдЕреТрдиреБреТрд░рд╛реТрдЧреЛ рд╣рд┐ рд╡рд┐реСрд╡реЗреТрдХрдВ рд╣рд░реСрддрд┐ред рд╕ рд╡рд┐реСрд╖реТрдпреЗ рд╡рд╛реТ рд╕реНрдпрд╛рдЬреНрдЬрдиреЗреС рд╡рд╛реТ рд╕реНрдпрд╛рджреНрд░рд╛реТрд╖реНрдЯреНрд░реЗ рд╡рд╛реТ рд╕реНрдпрд╛рддреНред рд╕ рдЪреС рд╕рд╣реТрдЬреЛрейреСреТрд╕реНрдорд╛рдХрдВреС рдЬрд╛рддрд╡рд┐рдХрд╛реТрд╕реЗрдиреТ рдкрд░рд┐реСрдгрддреЛреТ рдпреЗрдиреТ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрддреЗреТ рдзреГрддрд┐рдВреТ рдореБрджрдВреТ рдпреЛрдЧрд╛рдВреСрд╢реНрдЪреТ рд▓рднрд╛реСрдорд╣реЗ, рд╕реНрд╡рдЬреТрдирд╕реНрдпреС рд╣рд┐реТрддрдВ рдпреЗрдиреС рдХреБреТрд░реНрдорд╢реНрдЪреСред рддрд╕реНрдпрд╛рд╣рд┐реСрддрдорддрд┐рд╢реТрдпрдВ рд╡рд┐рдЬреНрдЮрд╛реСрддреБрдВ рдореТрддрд┐рд╢реНрдЪрд╛рдкрд┐реТ рдкрд░рд┐реСрдгрддрд╛ред

рдЕрддреНрд░реТ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд┐реСрджреНрдзрдорд┐реТрдордВ рд╢реНрд▓реЛрдХрдВреС рд╡рд┐рдХреНрд░рд┐реТрдпрдпрд╛реС рдкрдард╛рдорд┐-

рдЕреТрд╕реНрдорд╛рдХреТрдорд┐рддреНрдпреЗреТрд╡ рди рд╕рд╛реТрдзреБ рд╕рд░реНрд╡рдВреТ, рди рдЪрд╛рдкрд┐реТ рд╕рд░реНрд╡рдВреТ рдкрд░реТрдорд┐рддреНрдпреСрд╡реТрджреНрдпрдореНред
рд╕рдиреНрддрдГреС рдкреТрд░реАрдХреНрд╖реНрдпрд╛реТрдиреНрдпрддреСрд░реТрджреН рднрдЬреСрдиреНрддреЗ, рдореВреТрдврдГ рдкреСрд░рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпреТрдпрдиреЗреСрдпрдмреБрджреНрдзрд┐рдГрее

In this context I wish to say that there are people with two kinds of attitudes. One are those who think "we (here "we" can be taken to simultaneously mean a family, community, tradition, region, nation, etc.) are great" (1) with or without doubt and spend time convincing themselves and others that they really are. Others are who think "we need to be great" (2) and work for it through various means. The pursuers of (2) can possibly discriminate right and wrong. The believers of (1) on the other hand are, well, doomed. For all good we have got, we should be thankful to our ancestors who pursued (2).

Pursuers of (2) can also sometimes benefit by showing themselves superior in order to get attention and investment from outside. But they should be careful not to fool themselves so as to receive ridicule instead of investment. If by some trickery, you are able to demonstrate Sanskrit as a fitting language for general NLP, you shall certainly gain value among our nationalists, but India isn't going to gain any more respect in the world.

Pursuers of (2) also often get attached to the subjects that they have been involved with for a long time (but not, for example, when they have ulterior motives). Subsequently they hold their subjects in high degree and start acting somewhat on the lines of (1), because attachment clouds our vision, whether it is towards a subject, person, or nation. It is an instinct that we get from evolution. It motivates us to concentrate on, enjoy and utilize whatever we are engaged with, and to benefit our own people. But we have also got, through evolution, our brains to realize when this attachment is doing more harm than good.

Here I present an altered form of a famous ┼Ыloka-

рдЕреТрд╕реНрдорд╛рдХреТрдорд┐рддреНрдпреЗреТрд╡ рди рд╕рд╛реТрдзреБ рд╕рд░реНрд╡рдВреТ, рди рдЪрд╛рдкрд┐реТ рд╕рд░реНрд╡рдВреТ рдкрд░реТрдорд┐рддреНрдпреСрд╡реТрджреНрдпрдореНред
рд╕рдиреНрддрдГреС рдкреТрд░реАрдХреНрд╖реНрдпрд╛реТрдиреНрдпрддреСрд░реТрджреН рднрдЬреСрдиреНрддреЗ, рдореВреТрдврдГ рдкреСрд░рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпреТрдпрдиреЗреСрдпрдмреБрджреНрдзрд┐рдГрее

stuti singh

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Lokesh Sharma

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рд╣рд░рд┐ рдУрдБ

рдЙрдЬреНрдЬрд╡рд▓ рдЬреА рднрд╡рддрдГ рдЕрдиреБрдорддрд┐рдГ рдЕрд╕реНрддрд┐ рдЪреЗрддреН рдЕрд╣рдореН рднрд╡рддрдГ рд╡рдХреНрддрд╡реНрдпрдореН share рдХрд░реНрддреБрдВ рд╢рдХреНрдпрддреЗ рдХрд┐рдореН рднрд╡рддрдГ рдирд╛рдореНрдирд╛ рд╕рд╣ред

рдПрдХрдГ рдЕрдиреНрдпрдГ рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрдирдГ рдЕрд╕реНрддрд┐ред рдХрдердВ рднрд╡рддрд╛ рдЙрджрд╛рддреНрдд рдЕрдиреБрджрд╛рддреНрддрдГ рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджрд┐ рд╕реНрд╡рд░реЗрдг рд╕рд╣ рд▓рд┐рдЦрд┐рддрдГред

рд╕рд░реНрд╡реЗ рднрд╡рдиреНрддреБ рд╕реБрдЦрд┐рдирдГредред

рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд

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рд╣рд░рд┐ реР рд▓реЛрдХреЗрд╢ рдЬреА,

рдЕреТрджреНрдп рдкреБрдирдГреТ рдкрдареСрдиреЗреТ рдХрд╛рдирд┐реСрдЪрд┐рдЪреН рдЫрд┐реТрджреНрд░рд╛рдгрд┐реС рдкрд╢реНрдпрд╛рдорд┐ред рднрд╛реТрд╖рд╛реТрдкреНрд░реТрдпреЛреТрдЧреЗ (eg. high order) рдЪреС рд╡рдЪрдирд╛реТрд░реНрдереЗрд╖реБреТ рдЪрд╛рдкрд┐реСред рди рдЦрд▓реБреС рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛реТрд░рд╛рдпреТ рдпреЛрдЧреНрдпреСрдорд┐реТрджрд╛рдиреАреСрдореНред рддрдерд╛рдкрд┐реТ рдпрджрд┐реС рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░реТрдгреАрдпреСрдореЗреТрд╡ рддрд░реНрд╣рд┐реС рдЖрддреНрдордпреБреТрдХреНрддреНрдпрд╛ рд╕реТрдореНрдкрд╛рджреНрдпреТ рднрд╡рд╛реТрдиреН рд╕реНрд╡реЗрдиреИреТрд╡ рдирд╛рдореНрдирд╛реТ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛реСрд░рдпрддреБред

рдпрддреНрддреБ рд╕реНрд╡реТрд░рдореН рдкреНрд░рддрд┐реС рдкреГреТрд╖реНрдЯрдВ, рддрддреН рд╕реСрдореВрд╣рд╛рдиреНрддреТрд░реЗ рднрд╛реСрд░рддреАрдпрд╡рд┐рджреНрд╡рддреНрдкрд░рд┐реТрд╖рджрд┐реТ рдирд╛рдореЗреТрджрдВ рдкреСрдарддреБред рд╡рд┐реТрд╢реНрд╡рд╛реТрд╕реТрдореТрд╣реЛреТрджреТрдпреЗрдирд╛рдкрд┐реТ рдХреЗрдЪрд┐реСрдиреНрдирд┐рдпреТрдорд╛ рдЕрддреНрд░реТ рд╕рдЩреНрдЧреГреСрд╣реАрддрд╛рдГред

рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд

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рдЫрд┐реТрджреНрд░реТрдХрдереТрдиреЗрдкрд┐реС рдЫрд┐реТрджреНрд░рдореН!
*high degree

рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рд░, 24 рдордИ 2021 рдХреЛ 7:32:54 am UTC+5:30 рдмрдЬреЗ рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд рдиреЗ рд▓рд┐рдЦрд╛:

рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реЛ рд╡рд╛рд╕реБрдХрд┐рдЬрдГ (Vishvas Vasuki)

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рднреЛ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреБрддреНрд░рд╡рд░реЛрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓! рднреЛрдЬрджреЗрд╡рд╕реНрдорд╛рд░рдХ! рддрд╡ рд╕рд╕реНрд╡рд░рдВ рд▓реЗрдЦрдирдореН рдкрд╛рдардореН рдкрд╛рдардореН рдореБрджрдореН рдЕрд╡рд╛рдкреНрдиреЛрдореНрдпреН рдЕрдлрд▓реНрдЧреБрдореНред рддрд╡ рд╕рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд▓реЗрдЦрдирд╛рдиреНрдпреН рдПрдХрддреНрд░ рд╕рдЩреНрдЧреГрд╣реАрддреБрдВ рдХрд╖реНрдЯрдЩреН рдХреБрд░реБ, рдпреЗрдирд╛рд╕реНрдорд╛рдХрдВ рд╢реБрджреНрдзрд╕рд╕реНрд╡рд░рднрд╛рд╖рдгрдХрд╛рдЩреНрдХреНрд╖рд┐рдгрд╛рдВ рд╕реНрдпрд╛рдиреН рдорд╣рд╛рдиреН рдЕрдиреБрдЧреНрд░рд╣рдГ (https://trello.com/c/0g8gpuDe/51-svara-generator рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд░реН рдЕрдкрд┐ рдирд┐рд░реНрдорд╛рдгреЗ рдкреНрд░рдпреБрдЬреНрдпреЗрдд) ред

рдХрд┐рдЮреНрдЪ, рдордиреНрдпреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕реНрддреБрддреЗ рд╢реНрд▓реЛрдХреЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд╛рдЩреНрдХрдирдВ рдЫрдиреНрджреЛрдЧрддрд┐рдВ рд╡рд┐рд░реБрдгрджреНрдзрд┐ред рдкрджреНрдпреЛрдЪреНрдЪрд╛рд░рдгреЗ рдЧреАрддреЗ рдЪ рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд╡реНрдпрддреНрдпрдп рдЗрд╖реНрдЯрдГред


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рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд

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May 23, 2021, 10:49:59тАпPM5/23/21
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рдХрд┐рдЮреНрдЪ, рдордиреНрдпреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕реНрддреБрддреЗ рд╢реНрд▓реЛрдХреЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд╛рдЩреНрдХрдирдВ рдЫрдиреНрджреЛрдЧрддрд┐рдВ рд╡рд┐рд░реБрдгрджреНрдзрд┐ред рдкрджреНрдпреЛрдЪреНрдЪрд╛рд░рдгреЗ рдЧреАрддреЗ рдЪ рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд╡реНрдпрддреНрдпрдп рдЗрд╖реНрдЯрдГред

рдЖрдореНред рдЧреАреТрддреЗрд╖реБреС рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗреТрд╖рддреЛреТ рдпрд╛ рдореСрдзреБреТрд░рддрд╛реС рдкреНрд░рд╛рдХреГрддрджреНрд░рд╡рд┐реТрдбрд╛рджрд┐реСрд╖реБреТ рд╕рд╛ рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХреГреТрддреЗрдкрд┐реС рд╕реТрддреА рд╕реНрд╡реТрд░реЗрдгреС рд╣рдиреНрдпрддреЗред рд╕реНрд╡реТрд░реЗрдгрд╛рдкрд┐реС рдЧреАреТрддрд╛рдирд┐реС рднреТрджреНрд░рдВ рд╢реНрд░реВреТрдпреЗрд░реТрдиреНрдирд┐рддрд┐реС рд╕реНрд╡рд░рд╛рдиреБрд░реЛреТрдзреЗрдиреС рдкреТрджрд╛рдирд┐реС рдпреЛрдЬреТрдиреАрдпрд╛реСрдирд┐реТ рдпрдерд╛реТрдиреНрдпрд╛рд╕реБреС рд╕рд╕реНрд╡рд░рднрд╛реТрд╖рд╛рд╕реБреС рдХреНрд░рд┐реТрдпрддреЗреСред

Lokesh Sharma

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May 23, 2021, 10:50:17тАпPM5/23/21
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рд╣рд░рд┐ реР

рдирдорд╕реНрддреЗ рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рдЬреА

рдХреГрддрдЬреНрдЮрдГ рдЕрд╕реНрдорд┐ред

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рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд

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May 23, 2021, 10:57:16тАпPM5/23/21
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(https://trello.com/c/0g8gpuDe/51-svara-generator рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд░реН рдЕрдкрд┐ рдирд┐рд░реНрдорд╛рдгреЗ рдкреНрд░рдпреБрдЬреНрдпреЗрдд)

рдЕреТрд╕реНрдп рдХреГреТрдд рдЗреТрджрд╛рдиреАреТрдореБрдкреСрд▓рдмреНрдзрд╛рдирд┐ рдЙрдкреТрдХрд░реСрдгрд╛рдирд┐реТ рдХрд╛рдирд┐реС рд╕рдиреНрддрд┐? рд╕реТрдорд╛реТрд╕реТрд╡рд┐реТрдЧреНрд░реТрд╣рд╛рдпреС, рддрддреНрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░реТрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирд╛реСрдпреТ рдХрд┐рдореСрд╕реНрддрд┐?

рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реЛ рд╡рд╛рд╕реБрдХрд┐рдЬрдГ (Vishvas Vasuki)

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May 23, 2021, 11:03:34тАпPM5/23/21
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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:27 AM рдЙрдЬреНрдЬреНрд╡рд▓ рд░рд╛рдЬрдкреВрдд <ujjwal....@gmail.com> wrote:
(https://trello.com/c/0g8gpuDe/51-svara-generator рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд░реН рдЕрдкрд┐ рдирд┐рд░реНрдорд╛рдгреЗ рдкреНрд░рдпреБрдЬреНрдпреЗрдд)

рдЕреТрд╕реНрдп рдХреГреТрдд рдЗреТрджрд╛рдиреАреТрдореБрдкреСрд▓рдмреНрдзрд╛рдирд┐ рдЙрдкреТрдХрд░реСрдгрд╛рдирд┐реТ рдХрд╛рдирд┐реС рд╕рдиреНрддрд┐? рд╕реТрдорд╛реТрд╕реТрд╡рд┐реТрдЧреНрд░реТрд╣рд╛рдпреС, рддрддреНрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░реТрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирд╛реСрдпреТ рдХрд┐рдореСрд╕реНрддрд┐?

https://github.com/kmadathil/sanskrit_parser рдЗрддрд┐реС рдпреБреТрдХреНрддрдВ рд╕реНрдпрд╛реСрддреНред рд╕реТрдорд╛реТрд╕реТрдкреНрд░реТрдХрд╛реТрд░рд╛реТрд╡реТрдмреЛреТрдзрд╕реН рддреБреТ рди рд╕реНрдпрд╛реСрддреН - рдХрд┐рдиреНрддреБ рджреТрддреНрддреЗ рд╡рд╛реТрдХреНрдпреЗ рдпрд╛рд╡реСрддрд╛рдореН рдкреТрджрд╛рдирд╛рдВреС рд╕реНрд╡реТрд░рд╛реТрдЩреНрдХреТрдирдВ рд╢реТрдХреНрдпрдореН, рддреЗрд╖рд╛реСрдореН рдЕрдкреНрдпреН рдЕреТрдЩреНрдХреТрдиреЗрдиреС рдорд╣рд╛реСрдиреН рд▓рд╛реТрднрдГред

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