FYI

[The Doctor]

It you are posting from Google Groups, I will not be able to see you.

Due to abuses in comp.lang.c and comp.arch , GG articles
will not show up here, namely on news.nk.ca
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[Mark]

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:47:23 AM UTC+1, The Doctor wrote:
> It you are posting from Google Groups, I will not be able to see you.
>

Yay! I can say all sorts of horrible things about you behind your back now! :-)

[Real Mardin]

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:47:23 AM UTC+1, The Doctor wrote:

> It you are posting from Google Groups, I will not be able to see you.

Google Groups user here, so I will bid you farewell, Doc.

Or you could just take out a Google Groups account?


RM

[Blueshirt]

Real Mardin wrote:

>
> Or you could just take out a Google Groups account?

Steady on old chap... there's no need for anyone to sink to that level!

[Blueshirt]

We do it to his face on other groups... ;-)

[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o84k4h...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

All GG is not being seen at nk.ca !!

After all Google GRoups have spamtrolls flooding comp.lang.c and comp.arch!

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o84k5k...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

:-)

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[HASM]

doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:

> All GG is not being seen at nk.ca !!

Also not seen eternal-september.

I do have a google groups account, which I use for a mailing list that
is hosted there (not a nntp group), but I'm not going to use the web
interface.

-- HASM

[The Doctor]

RB and I quite agree.

Just from recent daily stats

Unwanted sites in Path header field [Top 20]:
Site Count
google-groups.googlegroups.com 40001
news.neodome.net 1032
news.mixmin.net 649
news.newsdemon.com 243

TOTAL: 4 41925

INND Perl filter [Top 20]:
Reason Count
EMP (md5) 293
Too many newsgroups 229
User-issued cancel 28
Too many newsgroups (meow) 19
HTML Multipart 12
Banned From (<pees...@qmail.net>) 12
Banned Reply-To (pees...@pooscent.net) 2
Subject (LSD 25 Blotter 155µg USA | Order LSD Sheet Online) 2
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-17] yen) 1
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-16] yen) 1
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-2] yen) 1
Subject (LSD3A7VE3SONLADMC5C45CXGIF654DWZEZWA-7] yen) 1
Subject (LSD5GUWJTL6QJU7IUB7Z2A-18] yen) 1
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-15] yen) 1
Subject (LSDIQMDW5IK4J6ANEHQ-13] yen) 1
Subject (LSD5GUWJTL6QJU7IUB7Z2A-7] yen) 1
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-19] yen) 1
Subject (LSD5GUWJTL6QJU7IUB7Z2A-15] yen) 1
Subject (LSD3A7VE3SONLADMC5C45CXGIF654DWZEZWA-5] yen) 1
Subject (LSDLAWGM3LX4LU3KJ45P3Y5TGC5WOQ-5] yen) 1

TOTAL: 88 677

given 1440 minutes in a day

40001/1440 is ~27.77847222222222222222

and 60/27.77847222222222222222

is ~2.15994600134996625084

2 to 3 seconds between spams!

[Michael Falkner]

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 5:18:32 AM UTC-7, HASM wrote:
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>
> > All GG is not being seen at nk.ca !!
> Also not seen eternal-september.

It appears as if the Usenet Death Penalty has been given to Google Groups, to at least a certain extent.

Mike

[Blueshirt]

If only!

[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o860vk...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

So far so good for the blockers!

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen

Confusion gives protections to evil while ignoring the innocent. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

[Real Mardin]

Am I in the minority using Google Groups, then? Just how many on here won’t be able to view posts by Google Groups users?

RSS is already a shadow of its former self without the group becoming further divided along Google Groups/ Newsreader lines.


RM

[Blueshirt]

Real Mardin wrote:
>
> Am I in the minority using Google Groups, then? Just how many on here
> won’t be able to view posts by Google Groups users?
>
> RSS is already a shadow of its former self without the group becoming
> further divided along Google Groups/ Newsreader lines.

This is the only newsgroup that I don't block posts from
groups.google.com as generally the people here using Google Groups to
access Usenet are proper contributors and the spam is kept to a minimum.

Other places are not so fortunate!

'Google Groups' seems to be the main source of spam on Usenet, but on RSS
spam doesn't seem to be a big problem so long may that continue...

[Mark]

I use google groups! I don't even know what a newsreader is! If we can't access rss without google groups I won't even know how to access it.

As far as I remember, G2 (by which I think is meant google groups) usually ranks highly among the most used "newsreaders" in the stats that The Doctor posts here. So that suggests that we're not in the minority; I'm not sure though.

If The Doctor keeps having this problem, this could be a problem for UPT.

[Blueshirt]

Mark wrote:
>
> I use google groups! I don't even know what a newsreader is! If we
> can't access rss without google groups I won't even know how to access
> it.

You will be able to access Google Groups... well, for long as Google run
the service. The issue is that not everyone will 'see' Usenet posts that
originate from Google Groups because of spam filters. You can just carry
on as normal...

> As far as I remember, G2 (by which I think is meant google groups)
> usually ranks highly among the most used "newsreaders" in the stats
> that The Doctor posts here. So that suggests that we're not in the
> minority; I'm not sure though.
>
> If The Doctor keeps having this problem, this could be a problem for
> UPT.

Dave's problem is the flood of spam messages on other newsgroups that are
injected from groups.google.com ... here, spam doesn't seem to be as big
of a problem as it is on other groups.

[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o86xws...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

We can hpe, but gg is big on unaccountability.

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[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o86yeg...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
>Mark wrote:
>>
>> I use google groups! I don't even know what a newsreader is! If we
>> can't access rss without google groups I won't even know how to access
>> it.
>
>You will be able to access Google Groups... well, for long as Google run
>the service. The issue is that not everyone will 'see' Usenet posts that
>originate from Google Groups because of spam filters. You can just carry
>on as normal...
>

Yes BS, G2 users are getting sucked in.

>> As far as I remember, G2 (by which I think is meant google groups)
>> usually ranks highly among the most used "newsreaders" in the stats
>> that The Doctor posts here. So that suggests that we're not in the
>> minority; I'm not sure though.
>>
>> If The Doctor keeps having this problem, this could be a problem for
>> UPT.
>
>Dave's problem is the flood of spam messages on other newsgroups that are
>injected from groups.google.com ... here, spam doesn't seem to be as big
>of a problem as it is on other groups.

If only GG could be a responsible netizen.

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[Blueshirt]

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0o86xws...@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
> >
> > 'Google Groups' seems to be the main source of spam on Usenet, but on
> > RSS spam doesn't seem to be a big problem so long may that continue...
>
> We can hpe, but gg is big on unaccountability.

I assume that's because Google [Alphabet Inc] doesn't make much $$ from
it's gateway to Usenet... so they don't care who abuses the Google Groups
service to post spam.

[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o8748g...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

Depeer Google GRoups now!

[HASM]

Since The Doctor started this thread, I've only seen posts from:
Blueshirt
HASM
Jesper Lauridsen
MH
Mark
Real Mardin
The Doctor
Werner Pichler

-- HASM

[MH]

On 2023-10-17 00:42, Real Mardin wrote:
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
>> Michael Falkner wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 5:18:32 AM UTC-7, HASM wrote:
>>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> All GG is not being seen at nk.ca !!
>>>> Also not seen eternal-september.
>>>
>>> It appears as if the Usenet Death Penalty has been given to Google
>>> Groups, to at least a certain extent.
>> If only!
>
> Am I in the minority using Google Groups, then?

I don't think so.
I think a lot of users are on Google groups, which is why I have seen no
posts from a lot of people for about 5-6 days now.
Strangely, though, I can see yours.

[MH]

That about sums it up for me, too.


>
> -- HASM

[Lléo]

Google Groups user here too. I also see these, plus one by Michael Falkner. Can you see this one?


Best regards,

Lléo

[anders t]

I see the thread, just haven't posted anything.

Using https://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php


--
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Latest: England '13 (20th) Europa '17, UEFA '08, World '08

[The Doctor]

In article <tuquii9ibiuvfogkr...@4ax.com>,

anders t <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
>Quoting HASM in rec.sport.soccer:
>>
>>Since The Doctor started this thread, I've only seen posts from:
>> Blueshirt
>> HASM
>> Jesper Lauridsen
>> MH
>> Mark
>> Real Mardin
>> The Doctor
>> Werner Pichler
>
>I see the thread, just haven't posted anything.
>
>Using https://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php
>

I do not see anything from Google Groups posters.

>
>--
>Manchester United FC - CHAMPIONS
>Latest: England '13 (20th) Europa '17, UEFA '08, World '08

[HASM]

Lléo <llb....@gmail.com> writes:

> plus one by MichaelFalkner.

The last Michael Falkner post I see on eternal-september is from
Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
not sure if that is before or after the cut off date.

> Can you see this one?

Yes, this one came through, as well as another later one in the
Conmebol WCQ 2026, Round 4
thread.

-- HASM

[Blueshirt]

HASM wrote:

> Ll=C3=A9o <llb....@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > plus one by MichaelFalkner.
>
> The last Michael Falkner post I see on eternal-september is from
> Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
> not sure if that is before or after the cut off date.

From what I understand Eternal-September are not going to be blocking
every post to their servers that originate from Google Groups. They are
trying to get their filters to catch as much of the spam as it can. So
that might mean some false positives and genuine posts get blocked, it
might also mean some spam gets through whilst they tweak things. But it
is not a complete block of everything injected from groups.google.com
which is why there are visible posts here from GG users.

[Real Mardin]

Is there a newsreader / server we can all sign up to and be confident of seeing each other’s posts?


RM

[Blueshirt]

Real Mardin wrote:
>
> Is there a newsreader / server we can all sign up to and be confident
> of seeing each other’s posts?

Eternal-September offer free access to Usenet... they carry over 30,000
newsgroups.

https://www.eternal-september.org/

There are a variety of free newsreaders out there...

[Futbolmetrix]

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 1:25:48 AM UTC-4, anders t wrote:
> Quoting HASM in rec.sport.soccer:
> >
> >Since The Doctor started this thread, I've only seen posts from:
> > Blueshirt
> > HASM
> > Jesper Lauridsen
> > MH
> > Mark
> > Real Mardin
> > The Doctor
> > Werner Pichler
> I see the thread, just haven't posted anything.
>
> Using https://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php

I'm using Google Groups. I can see all the posts on this thread. I haven't posted much in the past two weeks for other reasons.

[The Doctor]

In article <xn0o88pk9...@reader.xsnews.nl>,

As long as we ween people off of GG!

[Ion Saliu]

Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

Keep out of Google Groups while (still) paying for newsreading services? “A sucker is born every minute.”

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Google Groups spam? How about newsreader SPAM? E.g.:
“Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca

Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!

Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
If you can find time to grouse about them, you can find time to pray for them. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com” (10K times a year’s time!!!)

PS
Don’t forget how intelligently the GG posts can be formatted now:
• https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/G78U7Qx1Mr8?hl=en
• Usenet Redivivus! Best Post Viewing in Google Groups.

[Ion Saliu]

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:48:13 AM UTC+3, The Doctor wrote:
>
> As long as we ween people off of GG!
> --
> Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca
> Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
> Confusion gives protections to evil while ignoring the innocent. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

This weirdo, “The Patient-Make-Believe-Doctor”, immediately replied to my previous post and also reposted a dozen of older posts of mine in this thread (then deleted). ALL posted via Google Groups, while he was crying because he couldn’t see… GG posts! Such a sicko! “Beware AntiChrist rising! Beware Liberal King Satan President! Beware Yahweh Allahu Akbar!”

[HASM]

> Since The Doctor started this thread, I've only seen posts from:

Posts from google groups started showing up again.

-- HASM

[Blueshirt]

Ion Saliu wrote:
>
> Keep out of Google Groups while (still) paying for newsreading services?
> “A sucker is born every minute.”

Usenet is free... the people who pay for Usenet services are not paying to
post text messages to RSS or newsgroups like this, they are [generally]
paying to access binary content and/or use Usenet to download movies, TV
shows, books and music...

Anyone can access Usenet using a free news service provider, currently the
most popular is eternal-september.

>
> Google Groups spam? How about newsreader SPAM? E.g.:

> “Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca

> Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist
> rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism

> https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b If you can find time to grouse
> about them, you can find time to pray for them. -unknown Beware

> https://mindspring.com” (10K a year’s time!!!)

Most newsreaders have a setting to ignore sig files. I don't see Dave's
religious spam that makes up his signature. Google Groups show them...
everyone else avoids them! That's why highly configurable newsreaders are
better for newsgroup users than Google's online interface... IMHO of
course.

[Blueshirt]

HASM wrote:

>
> > Since The Doctor started this thread, I've only seen posts from:
>
> Posts from google groups started showing up again.

Ray at ES has obviously tweaked his filters so less false positives are
showing up... the plan was never to block everything from Google Groups,
just catch some of the more problematic spam. (Some groups were being
flooded.)

[The Doctor]

From who?
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[The Doctor]

In article <ugr9pd$bto1$1...@dont-email.me>,

GG sucks!
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[The Doctor]

In article <ugr9ul$buru$1...@dont-email.me>,

comp.lang.c

[HASM]

doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:

>> Posts from google groups started showing up again.

> From who?

Binder, Futbolmetrix, maybe others.

-- HASM

[The Doctor]

I do not see anything from Google GRoups.

[Mark]

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:51:56 AM UTC+1, The Doctor wrote:

I've seen you respond to a post from google groups in another thread.

I've got no idea what this comp.lang.c that you keep mentioning is, but could that be the problem?

[Ion Saliu]

M’ritser:

Axiomático, the group you asked about, used to be a useful programming community dedicated to the C language. C is the most widely-used programming language — Windows is written in C in a large measure. Lately, that group has become a mountain of spam. It has absolutely nothing to do with programming!
• https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c

There are many newsgroups in that state of filth. Even this rec.sport.soccer (RSS) shows signs of spamming. You can see on this RSS page threads like: “BUY QUALITY COUNTERFEIT MONEY”, or “BUY 100% UNDETECTABLE COUNTERFEIT MONEY £,$,€”. The “author”, “Michael Fisher”, spams several newsgroups. In a blackjack forum, for example, he “sells” lots of books… inexistent, of course!

“The Patient-Make-Believe-Doctor” is such a pathological liar! He responded in minutes to my first post in this thread. As you can see, my post was published via Google Groups (GG). I was also notified that there were “33 new messages in this thread”. Surprisingly, all the “new messages” were older posts I made in this newsgroup — all published via GG! My messages were reposted by “The Patient-Make-Believe-Doctor”! Then, he deleted his reply and my “33 new messages”.

No doubt, “The Patient-Make-Believe-Doctor” lies like an old dog. Why? Well, he is a sicko. He probably felt worse than usual and started this “FYI” thread. Methinks, he intended to curse us: “F(uque) Y(ou) I(diots)!”

The “comp.lang.c massacre” makes an even stronger argument in favor of Google Groups. Irritants like “comp.lang.c” won’t invade your computer. Unless, of course, you go there intentionally via your browser.

Other posters here made a good point. The newsreaders give the opportunity to download binary files directly (music, movies, etc.) In GG you can only post links to file depositories. Caveat:

“• Q: Will we terminate an account for posting binary messages in a non-binary group?
• A: We will first ask them to stop. If they refuse, we will terminate.”

[HASM]

Mark <Pammie...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> I've got no idea what this comp.lang.c that you keep mentioning is,
> but could that be the problem?

Check comp.lang.c and e.g. comp.lang.c++ on google groups and you'll
understand the spam problem I think The Doctor is hinting at.

-- HASM

[The Doctor]

Exactly and comp.arch !

[Ion Saliu]

Hasmitser:

There are many more newsgroups in that predicament, axiomaticule. But it ain’t the fault of GG. SPAM can be distributed right from newsreaders. Just look at our Sicko Yahwe here (his signature).

For sure, it is very hard to combat the spamming operation of the “Michael Fishers” of the world. One action can affect them, however. Send them emails via the addresses they advertise in their spam. IF many such emails flood the spammer inboxes, their email accounts may as well be closed. I know it happened in a lottery newsgroup.

“I received a phone call
From one who claimed was tall.
Then, he cursed me even worse
For my gambling on the horse.”

[Blueshirt]

Ion Saliu wrote:
>
> There are many more newsgroups in that predicament. But it

> ain’t the fault of GG.

It certainly is the fault of Google Groups as they are the originators of
that spam, plus Google don't do anything to stop people spamming and
rarely respond or action abuse complaints. Which proper Usenet providers
would. People create throw-away g-mail addresses and spam away via the
Google Groups web interface, then create another and another... or their
bots do.

> SPAM can be distributed right from newsreaders.

It can and sometimes is, but if you register an account with any Usenet
service provider, then your account can be closed if they receive abuse
complaints. All headers of posts to Usenet contain message ID's and a
trace to the account that posted it. If that account is used solely to
post spam the account would be closed. Probably after a cease and desist
e-mail.

Google is the wild west...

> Just look at our Sicko Yahwe here (his signature).

You mean the great Google don't allow you to hide people's signatures?
Clearly they take Usenet very seriously. ;-)