Sehwag
Karthik (wk)
Laxman
Tendulkar
Dravid
Ganguly
Yuvraj
Pathan
Kumble
Harbhajan
RP Singh
Despite my admiration for his cricketing situational awareness, Dhoni
seems to have temporarily lost his batting. It's an inopportune
retrogression, seeing that he's clearly the captain-in-waiting, but is
something that needs to be addressed. Jaffer's is a case of his best
being simply not adequate in Oz conditions. Given his ability, I was
backing him to come out of it, at least by I2 at the SCG, but has
repeatedly been found too wanting to warrant persistence.
Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
who isn't likely to be too effective.
So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
I wouldn't pick 5 bowlers and have IKP bat at 7 because of one of our
openers hasn't yet played in the series and one of the bowlers tends
to get invariably underbowled when 5 are picked. With the proposed
team, the toss would be as important as anything else since we do need
to bat first and bowl last.
Ramapriya
0.1% chance this will be picked
We are not here to see that Yuvraj regains form.
India has to win at ALL costs, thus Yuvraj can keep his place in the side
but not the team.
Karthik hasnt done anything to prove that he's worth his shirt.
Sharma pestered Ponting like no man, dropping him will be like throwing a
golden goose away.
Except for Jaffer who will certainly be dropped for Harbhajan the team
composition will remain same.
Sehwag opens either with Pathan or Dravid.
But Yuvraj is a potential match-winner. He hasn't shown much of that
ODI/T20 trait in Tests yet but he might just, given the conditions at
Adelaide.
> Karthik hasnt done anything to prove that he's worth his shirt.
And neither have Jaffer and Dhoni with the bat. I'm hoping with KKDK's
selection that two cracks might just be papered over. The way things
have gone, he could hardly do worse than Jaffer as opener.
> Sharma pestered Ponting like no man, dropping him will be like throwing a
> golden goose away.
I saw him bowl for the first time in the Bangalore Test when he hadn't
taken a wicket and thought his promise and fundamentals impressive. He
didn't disappoint and has steadily gotten better since. But then you
can't ignore the 'horses for courses' adage (the precise reason why I
was rooting for IKP's inclusion at Perth even before ZK was ruled
out).
> Except for Jaffer who will certainly be dropped for Harbhajan the team
> composition will remain same.
>
> Sehwag opens either with Pathan or Dravid.
Which would mean 5 specialist bats, 5 specialist bowlers, 1 struggling
wk-bat and 1 makeshift opener who clearly isn't relishing that job
much. Not what you'd want for a crucial Test.
Ramapriya
I mean, you are way off base. You must be joking to put Karthik in and
leave Sharma out? And then put Yuvi in??? I mean, what are you smoking
bro? This is ludicrous.
As someone said, 0.1% chance, a fat chance! Herby will be in for
Jaffer. PERIOD.
Best Regards,
Halekala
<snip>
> Despite my admiration for his cricketing situational awareness, Dhoni
> seems to have temporarily lost his batting. It's an inopportune
> retrogression, seeing that he's clearly the captain-in-waiting, but is
> something that needs to be addressed.
Not going to happen. Kumble's isn't going to forget the Laxman-Dhoni
partnership in I2 in a hurry. That was the difference between a
very-much-achievable target and the one that challenged Cheatralia to defy
history.
SP [ Either go unchanged or Harby for Jaffer ]
> Laxman
> Tendulkar
> Dravid
> Ganguly
> Yuvraj
Yuvraj will remain out - no chance
Dhoni will stay
> Pathan
> Kumble
> Harbhajan
Harby for Ishant
> RP Singh
Okay
>
> Despite my admiration for his cricketing situational awareness, Dhoni
> seems to have temporarily lost his batting. It's an inopportune
> retrogression, seeing that he's clearly the captain-in-waiting, but is
> something that needs to be addressed. Jaffer's is a case of his best
> being simply not adequate in Oz conditions. Given his ability, I was
> backing him to come out of it, at least by I2 at the SCG, but has
> repeatedly been found too wanting to warrant persistence.
>
Same holds for Yuvraj. At the end of the day these guys unable to step
up and into Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar league.
> Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
> be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
> great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
> latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
> who isn't likely to be too effective.
>
> So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
> regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
> and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
> middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
> useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
> overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
> of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
>
Yuvraj doesn't deserve to be in the Test team - at least not in the
top 6
in any case yuvraj had an injury in training yesterday (playing soccer
or some such).
He has fielded lousily this series as well. Drop Jaffer and Yuvraj.
Open with Pathan, and bring back Harbhy
Pathan
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhomi
Kumble
Harbhajan
RPS
Ishant
Can't see Yuvraj coming in for T4.
It is going to be either Harbhajan or Karthik for Jaffer. Including
Harbhajan will certainly be the more attacking option and more likely
given the desire to square the series. Karthik did play quite well in
Canberra and looked good opening with Sehwag.
Yes, this seems unfair to Jaffer who was spectacular in the Pak series
- but has really looked out of sorts throughout this series.
A further example of Indian lack of grace in victory. Why can't you
people enjoy your win without having to have a dig at your opponents?
How dare you call us Cheatralians ?
This is the last warning to you Indian curry munchers. We will have
to order Australian Air Force to bomb you back to stone ages if you
dont apologize for calling us Cheatralians and me a monkey.
Fish,
We stuck it into these Indian curry munchers adnauseum last week after
our Sydney cheating and lying and playing our brave 15 vs their 11 curry
munchers who made us dance on Perth pitch.
Have never seen the white monkey Ricky Ponting dance like that before but
what a sight to see. Yummy yummy.
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire; I would if you weren't though.
Your Superior,
bhandava
Fuck off American.
It's about time you changed aliases again. Andrew Symonds is probably as
kill-filed as your other aliases: Madhav, David Singh, CricketLeague,
NewsToBeRead, Ian Thorpe, Jason Gillespie, IVAR, GeorgeBush Jr, and your
gay husband of fbi.
Your Superior,
bhandava
> My team for Adelaide would be:
>
> Sehwag
> Karthik (wk)
> Laxman
> Tendulkar
> Dravid
> Ganguly
> Yuvraj
> Pathan
> Kumble
> Harbhajan
> RP Singh
>
> Despite my admiration for his cricketing situational awareness, Dhoni
> seems to have temporarily lost his batting. It's an inopportune
Dhoni saved India in this Test. Twice.
> retrogression, seeing that he's clearly the captain-in-waiting, but is
> something that needs to be addressed. Jaffer's is a case of his best
> being simply not adequate in Oz conditions. Given his ability, I was
> backing him to come out of it, at least by I2 at the SCG, but has
> repeatedly been found too wanting to warrant persistence.
Agreed.
>
> Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
You are out of your mind.
> be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
> great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
> latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
> who isn't likely to be too effective.
Ishant has performed. Already. Define likely.
>
> So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
> regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
You *are* out of your mind.
Is helping Yuvraj regain his form part of the charter of Indian cricket ?
He has been given enough rope. Two Tests and two tour matches. He has hanged
himself. For a long time to come. Perhaps for ever. Maybe you can make a
case for including him if we are playing on a subcontinental track against
a second class bowling attack (that is where his only Test successes have
come) and the big 4, Rohit Sharma, Tiwary and Pujara are all injured /
unavailable.
> and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
> middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
How is that ? We will be much better off giving chances to untried players
like Tiwary, Sharma and Pujara. Rohit Sharma has shown excellent
temperament. And then there is Uthappa.
The only place where Yuvraj currently belongs is the dustbin. Not our future
post big 4 middle order.
> useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
I see. Now padding his CV is also a part of Indian cricket's charter.
> overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
> of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
Sehwag and Tendulkar give us plenty of variety. And we have a captain who is
the second most successful spinner in history.
Thanks, but no thanks.
--
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>I mean, you are way off base. You must be joking to put Karthik in and
>leave Sharma out? And then put Yuvi in??? I mean, what are you smoking
>bro? This is ludicrous.
>
>As someone said, 0.1% chance, a fat chance! Herby will be in for
>Jaffer. PERIOD.
To me it looks like the main question is: which of Harbhajan or Sharma
do you pick for Adelaide?
Their function is identical: they are in the side to get rid of
Ponting. Anything else they do is a bonus. The question is which is
likely to be most efficient at performing this task at Adelaide.
I would guess that it is liable to revolve around the weather. If it's
going to be hot and dry, as it usually is at Adelaide, Sharma is
liable to have to bowl a large number of overs which will make him get
very tired, whereas Harbhajan is quite accustomed to marathon stints
in the heat.
Cheers,
Mike
--
The only thing I agree with is dropping Jaffer for.. well.. ANYONE
(anyone who's an opener, that is).
Yuvraj is a joke.
Laxman is a lot better down the order, even though I think he can bat
anywhere.
Dravid should be infront of tendulkar
my team would be;
same as perth
minus jaffer
plus karthik
Only batting position change would be Laxman. He's in such good form
he should be in earlier. Move him up to 5, or maybe even 4. With
Ganguly and/or Tendulkar just dropping down a slot.
OTOH, I think it's dangerous to pick any team before seeing the
pitch.
I think Adelaide will be a 3 pace + 1 spinner wicket.
The problem with adelaide... i think more than any other ground in oz,
winning the toss and batting is vital.
My prediction - team batting first wins.
Of course if we are playing in India hes really good and hes a trump
card for us
I think the team should remain same.
Beside the option of Harby for Jaffer, they might try Karthik in place
of Jaffer.
Somebody else made this point on another thread. While Dhoni doesnt
have much of a technique, he applies to the situation very well. At
least the effort is visible. If he does it more often, that would be
just great.
I take it that you are serious and not still in euphoria after the T3
result.
>
> Despite my admiration for his cricketing situational awareness, Dhoni
> seems to have temporarily lost his batting. It's an inopportune
> retrogression, seeing that he's clearly the captain-in-waiting, but is
> something that needs to be addressed. Jaffer's is a case of his best
> being simply not adequate in Oz conditions. Given his ability, I was
> backing him to come out of it, at least by I2 at the SCG, but has
> repeatedly been found too wanting to warrant persistence.
To suggest that Kathik should replace Dhoni is unbelievable. I think
that Dinesh is an enthusiastic cricketer but I just cannot still
imagine how he would even be considered as a replacement for Dhoni who
is so superior. I saw Dinesh succed in England but I have to admit I
cannot believe that he will be able to repeat this success overseas
against any other reasonable pace attack.
>
> Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
> be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
> great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
> latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
> who isn't likely to be too effective.
I have some agreement with this. Let us see what the track looks like
before deciding our bowlers. If it is 3+1, Ishant plays and Harby
doesn't. If it is 2-2, then it is the other way round. If the
selectors decide to be really brave and go for 5 bowlers, then I guess
both play.
>
> So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
> regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
> and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
> middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
> useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
> overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
> of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
I think it is tough to recall Yuvraj after his clueless performances
in T1 and T2. This includes both his batting and fielding.
Furthermore, he seemed to get an injury while playing some game prior
to start of play during one of the days in T3. The only way I would
bring him in for T4 (and this is partly due to the factthat he wil
probably be in the ODI squad) would be to replace him for Jaffer.
>
> I wouldn't pick 5 bowlers and have IKP bat at 7 because of one of our
> openers hasn't yet played in the series and one of the bowlers tends
> to get invariably underbowled when 5 are picked. With the proposed
> team, the toss would be as important as anything else since we do need
> to bat first and bowl last.
Fair enough but it depends on who wins the toss. If it looks like a
batting beauty, we may well decide to go with 5 bowlers. Let's see
what the pitch looks like before making decisions about our XI.
Aren't you the same guy who wanted Jaffer in the third test and
thought Tait would blow the Indians away?
Your cricketing knowledge and judgment is just way over the top. I
would certainly stop pretending and just follow what knowledgeable
people do.
> To suggest that Kathik should replace Dhoni is unbelievable. I think
> that Dinesh is an enthusiastic cricketer but I just cannot still
> imagine how he would even be considered as a replacement for Dhoni who
> is so superior. I saw Dinesh succed in England but I have to admit I
> cannot believe that he will be able to repeat this success overseas
So playing well against Sidebottom, Flintoff, Harmison, etc. in England and
against Steyn, Ntini, Pollock etc. in South Africa does not count as
showing success overseas.
Might one ask precisely what is overseas and what constitutes success ?
In fact, the only place Karthik has failed recently is at home (and even
that contain two 20+ scores and one fifty, better than what Jaffer has
managed in 3 Tests). And please do not try to tell us that since Karthik
has done well against Bangladesh (among many other Indian batsmen), somehow
his good performances against South Africa in South Africa and against
England in England do not count (by some convoluted RSC logic).
I do not think Karthik should replace Dhoni but surely having him replace
Jaffer (who has failed in three Tests now, including a surface
traditionally the kindest to Indian batsmen - SCG) is not such a strange
suggestion.
Looks like it's just me who feels his batting has gone to the
cleaners. The first 20-odd deliveries he faced in I2 were unbearable
to watch - almost like some complete newbie taking guard for the first
time.
> > Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
>
> You are out of your mind.
>
> > be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
> > great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
> > latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
> > who isn't likely to be too effective.
>
> Ishant has performed. Already. Define likely.
Yes but Adelaide and Perth are chalk and cheese. Very different
pitches. I think RPS will do well at Adelaide, not Ishant.
> > So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
> > regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
>
> You *are* out of your mind.
>
> Is helping Yuvraj regain his form part of the charter of Indian cricket ?
>
> He has been given enough rope. Two Tests and two tour matches. He has hanged
> himself. For a long time to come. Perhaps for ever. Maybe you can make a
> case for including him if we are playing on a subcontinental track against
> a second class bowling attack (that is where his only Test successes have
> come) and the big 4, Rohit Sharma, Tiwary and Pujara are all injured /
> unavailable.
Which of them is in the squad now? And it isn't like I'm calling for
Yuvi to replace one of the 4. If we're picking an opener-keeper, we
might as well make him keep too.
>
> > and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
> > middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
>
> How is that ? We will be much better off giving chances to untried players
> like Tiwary, Sharma and Pujara. Rohit Sharma has shown excellent
> temperament. And then there is Uthappa.
>
> The only place where Yuvraj currently belongs is the dustbin. Not our future
> post big 4 middle order.
>
> > useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
>
> I see. Now padding his CV is also a part of Indian cricket's charter.
We should. If Rohit Sharma was there, I'd have called for his
inclusion too. Dhoni as I've said is a real good guy to have but
something about his batting seems to have come badly undone in Oz.
> > overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
> > of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
>
> Sehwag and Tendulkar give us plenty of variety. And we have a captain who is
> the second most successful spinner in history.
>
> Thanks, but no thanks.
No problem. Opinions and more opinions :) And I don't care about the
0.1% possibility; this is *my* pick :)
Ramapriya
I'm no great fan of KKDK either but credit where due. Going by MSD's
present form, KKDK can't do much worse with the bat - and their
'keeping is at the same level, so why not try it? It leaves us with
the option of an additional middle-order bat (desirable) or a bowler.
> > Ishant's is the most unfortunate of the changes, and I think he won't
> > be dropped. However, going into a crucial Test on one of the world's
> > great shirtfront pitches that's known to afford some turn towards the
> > latter stages, I'd rather pick an experienced performer than someone
> > who isn't likely to be too effective.
>
> I have some agreement with this. Let us see what the track looks like
> before deciding our bowlers
Like someone said, the only certainties in life are death, taxes and a
flat track at Adelaide :)
. If it is 3+1, Ishant plays and Harby
> doesn't. If it is 2-2, then it is the other way round. If the
> selectors decide to be really brave and go for 5 bowlers, then I guess
> both play.
But if we are to play 5 bowlers, I suggest Jaffer continues. He gives
me more confidence than KKDK in a purely-for-batting avatar.
> > So why Yuvraj? Because (a) if there's any place he can be expected to
> > regain form, it has to be at the Adelaide Oval, with its true bounce
> > and short square boundaries, (b) he's obviously our future frontline
> > middle-order bat and in taking over a slot of any of our Fab 5, it'd
> > useful to have in his cv and psyche a few important runs in a critical
> > overseas Test against a quality opposition, and (c) he can add a touch
> > of variety to our spin department and save a few runs on the field.
>
> I think it is tough to recall Yuvraj after his clueless performances
> in T1 and T2.
Oz isn't the easiest of places to quickly acclimatize. I agree he
didn't give much exhibition of what he's capable of, bar one off-drive
off Johnson that was nearly the shot of the Test, but you've got to
back him to come good.
> This includes both his batting and fielding.
> Furthermore, he seemed to get an injury while playing some game prior
> to start of play during one of the days in T3. The only way I would
> bring him in for T4 (and this is partly due to the factthat he wil
> probably be in the ODI squad) would be to replace him for Jaffer.
>
>
>
> > I wouldn't pick 5 bowlers and have IKP bat at 7 because of one of our
> > openers hasn't yet played in the series and one of the bowlers tends
> > to get invariably underbowled when 5 are picked. With the proposed
> > team, the toss would be as important as anything else since we do need
> > to bat first and bowl last.
>
> Fair enough but it depends on who wins the toss. If it looks like a
> batting beauty, we may well decide to go with 5 bowlers. Let's see
> what the pitch looks like before making decisions about our XI.
Adelaide is *the* most predictable cricket pitch on earth :)
Ramapriya
Yep and I was wrong.
> Your cricketing knowledge and judgment is just way over the top. I
> would certainly stop pretending and just follow what knowledgeable
> people do.
To let others think for me because a few calls have gone awry isn't
how I've lived life. Anyways, to each his own.
Ramapriya
But if you're going to play as a pure opener someone who was until a
year ago a keeper who could bat usefully, why not let him 'keep as
well and open yourself an additional option? Both MSD and KKDK's
glovework is roughly at the same level and the former's distinct
batting ability head over the latter hasn't been on display in Oz
either.
Ramapriya
I agree. That's how he's gotten as successful as he has. But then a la
Jaffer, he's seemed completely out of sorts with the bat in Oz. I'd
inquest into what the batting coach is doing too, if hitherto
successful batters come suddenly and persistently unstuck in some
conditions.
Ramapriya
'Cheating Australia' is several more keystrokes compared to 'Cheatralia'.
SP
My Lord Superior bhandava,
We stuck it into these Indian curry munchers adnauseum last week after
our Sydney cheating and lying and playing our brave 15 vs their 11 curry
munchers who made us dance on Perth pitch.
Have never seen the white monkey Ricky Ponting dance like that before but
what a sight to see. Yummy yummy.
Self appointed Gods of the world like you are not supposed to run
away like my captain and current worlds best batsman Ricky Ponting
did facing a 19yr old rookie Indian curry muncher Ishant Sharma.
But you are a genius and an intellectual like all of your mafia members
Rodney Ulyate, curiousgeorge, Diggler, Jack, Kim and the rest.
How can you incorrectly read OTOH with your 300 IQed brain that
laughs at all low iq monkeys like me and the third world Indian curry
munchers and the first world superiors like my skip Ricky Ponting,
Michael Clarke and the honest Adam Gilchrist and the resident
colored bastards haters alvey, Will_S, Andrew Dunford, Holmans,
Robson, dechuka, Rodney Hampson etc ?
You are supposed to be God, how can you make such a simple
mistake My Superior Lord bhandava ?
How can I worship you, your intellect and your genius in the
future if you make these mistakes Gods never make.
Rodney Ulyate's sarcasm on these third world Indian curry munchers
was simply brilliant yesterday. Rodney Ulyate belongs in the
Sarcasm Hall of Fame.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Now I await another sarcasm gem from My Superior Lord bhandava to
insult, abuse and ridicule me for "my monkey English and imbecile brain".
These third world Indian curry munchers and their logic, I tell ya.
When do we bomb India and civilize them, My Superior Lord
bhandava ?
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
genius and intellect and godly abilities.
I will, thanks for recognising your inferiority.
bhandava
Is this a joke? He has been playing international cricket for close to
8 years. He is not a newbie who is being thrown into a tough
situation. The newbies who have been thrown into tough situations have
been Ishant Sharma and to much lesser extent RP. Both have done much
better than Yuvraj