Al Gore - BBC

[dxAce]

I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
be very far behind.

This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
government(s) taxing folks.

Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
Kook'.

[dave]

Al Gore doesn't need any more money. He has been top-tier rich since he
was born. He is sincerely trying to help save your sorry ass, and you are
too stupid to realize it.

What is Rush Limbaugh trying to save?

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 04:52:03 -0400, dxAce wrote:
>
> > I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845.
> > Al is just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer
> > doesn't seem to be very far behind.
> >
> > This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve
> > around Al making some money, and, clown 'tard
> > Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist government(s) taxing folks.
> >
> > Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it
> > 'One Kook'.
>
> Al Gore doesn't need any more money.

He 'wants'.

Now go take some more drugs, boy, and be certain to call that lawyer!

[dxAce]

The Nation, from clown 'tards like you, Al and Barry!

[N∅ M∅ ∅baMa∅]

"Al Gore in 24-hour broadcast to convert climate skeptics."

Convert skeptics... convert skeptics...

Does that sound a little religion-y to you?

http://reason.org/blog/show/al-gores-24-hours-of-climate-change
http://biggovernment.com/jlakely/2011/09/14/countering-al-gores-24-hours-of-climate-panic/

There have been no weather events observed to date – including
Hurricane Irene — which can be reasonably claimed to be outside the
realm of natural climate variability.

http://climaterealists.com/?id=8329

[dave]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:03:11 -0700, N∅ M∅ ∅baMa∅ wrote:

>
> There have been no weather events observed to date – including Hurricane
> Irene — which can be reasonably claimed to be outside the realm of
> natural climate variability.
>
> http://climaterealists.com/?id=8329

According Jianbang Gan, an environmental science professor at Texas A&M
University, global warming is strongly tied to an increase in wildfires.
He predicts that if the temperature climbs by 7 degrees Fahrenheit—what
climate experts predict for Texas by the end of the century—the number of
wildfires will more than double. Increased concentrations of CO2 in the
atmosphere will cause plants to grow faster, while higher temperatures
will dry them out more quickly, setting the stage for the kind of intense
blazes that have consumed 3.5 million acres in the Lone Star State this
year.

The direct causes of this year's wildfires are a record-breaking heat
wave and the worst single-year drought in state history, which is itself
linked to climate change. The drought has been the result of storms
shifting northward—the same conditions predicted by climate change
models. Though it may also be caused by the naturally occurring La Niña
weather pattern, human-induced global warming "is almost certainly making
this extreme event worse," Texas A&M climate scientist Andrew Dessler
told ThinkProgress Green. "There is absolutely no way that you can
conclude that climate change is not playing a role here."

http://motherjones.com/environment/2011/09/rick-perry-texas-wildfires

[dxAce]

dave wrote:

ThinkProgress Green... and Mother Jones...

Why does that sound terribly suspicious? And even more so, when posted by a
known clown 'tard like Dave?

[Joe from Kokomo]

On 9/18/2011 4:52 AM, dxAce wrote:

> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> government(s) taxing folks.

Wow...what a relief that you set us straight. It gives us great comfort
here to know that you have more knowledge than the 98% of climatological
scientists that do believe that mankind is at least partially
responsible for global warming.

But one thing puzzles me -- just exactly when did you get your degree in
climatology?

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

I have a degree in common sense...

Does Al Gore have a degree in climatology?

No?

I didn't think so.

Do you have a degree in climatology?

No?

I didn't think so.

So...

I guess I still can disagree with you shit for brains clown 'tards!

[dxAce]

dxAce wrote:

> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
> > On 9/18/2011 4:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
> >
> > > This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> > > Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> > > government(s) taxing folks.
> >
> > Wow...what a relief that you set us straight. It gives us great comfort
> > here to know that you have more knowledge than the 98% of climatological
> > scientists that do believe that mankind is at least partially
> > responsible for global warming.
> >
> > But one thing puzzles me -- just exactly when did you get your degree in
> > climatology?
>
> I have a degree in common sense...

And that is still better than Michael W. Bryant's non-existent PhD!

LMFAO

[Joe from Kokomo]

> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>> On 9/18/2011 4:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
>>
>>> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
>>> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
>>> government(s) taxing folks.
>>
>> Wow...what a relief that you set us straight. It gives us great comfort
>> here to know that you have more knowledge than the 98% of climatological
>> scientists that do believe that mankind is at least partially
>> responsible for global warming.
>>
>> But one thing puzzles me -- just exactly when did you get your degree in
>> climatology?

On 9/18/2011 3:06 PM, dxAce wrote:

> I have a degree in common sense...
>
> Does Al Gore have a degree in climatology?
>
> No?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> Do you have a degree in climatology?
>
> No?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> So...
>
> I guess I still can disagree with you shit for brains clown 'tards!

1) NEVER said Gore had a degree in climatology.

2) NEVER said I had a degree in climatology.

However, both of us are *quoting* those that *are* climatological
scientists.

Apparently, you are saying that your "degree" in "common sense" trumps
what 98% of real climatological scientists say.

Nice tap dance, but no cigar.

[dxAce]

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

> > Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/18/2011 4:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
> >>
> >>> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> >>> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> >>> government(s) taxing folks.
> >>
> >> Wow...what a relief that you set us straight. It gives us great comfort
> >> here to know that you have more knowledge than the 98% of climatological
> >> scientists that do believe that mankind is at least partially
> >> responsible for global warming.
> >>
> >> But one thing puzzles me -- just exactly when did you get your degree in
> >> climatology?
>
> On 9/18/2011 3:06 PM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > I have a degree in common sense...
> >
> > Does Al Gore have a degree in climatology?
> >
> > No?
> >
> > I didn't think so.
> >
> > Do you have a degree in climatology?
> >
> > No?
> >
> > I didn't think so.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > I guess I still can disagree with you shit for brains clown 'tards!
>
> 1) NEVER said Gore had a degree in climatology.

I NEVER said you did!

>
> 2) NEVER said I had a degree in climatology.

NEVER said you did.

>
> However, both of us are *quoting* those that *are* climatological
> scientists.

I don't think I quoted any climatological scientists.

>
> Apparently, you are saying that your "degree" in "common sense" trumps
> what 98% of real climatological scientists say.

My "degree" in "common sense" trumps what any clown 'tard says.

> Nice tap dance, but no cigar.

I've got over 100 cigars here at the current time... and, thanks for the reminder as
it's almost time to go out and smoke one!

[RHF]

M4* Mania Dave taht there 'Ember' in your
Pot Pipe Ain't No Wild-Fire !

* Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness [M4]
-and-keep-drinking-that-al-gore-
-global-warming-kool-{kook}-aid-
.
.

[RHF]

Now there is an Honest Admission : "believe

that mankind is at least partially responsible
for global warming."

I will give you 2% or may be 4% being Mankind :
With the 'other' 96%~98% being a non-stoppable
Solar Caused Event -so-adapt-die- ~ RHF
.
.

[RHF]

blah, Blah. BLAH ! 'ClimateGate' Climate-Gate©
-wrt- Global Warming as Marketed by Al Gore
as a Get Rich Carbon Credit Scheme/Scam
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bd9f6497e330da9e
.
ClimateGate = Climate-Gate = Climate Gate©
the Pseudo-Science of Global-Warming !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/622802f8e38826dd
.
The Al Gore "Global Warming" Cultist Still
Maintain Their Faith Despite Climate-Gate© !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f332328944046bab
.
.

[Joe from Kokomo]

>> On 9/18/2011 4:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
>>
>>> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
>>> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
>>> government(s) taxing folks.

On Sep 18, 12:02 pm, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net> wrote:

>> Wow...what a relief that you set us straight. It gives us great comfort
>> here to know that you have more knowledge than the 98% of climatological
>> scientists that do believe that mankind is at least partially
>> responsible for global warming.
>>
>> But one thing puzzles me -- just exactly when did you get your degree in
>> climatology?

On 9/18/2011 7:36 PM, RHF wrote:

> Now there is an Honest Admission : "believe
> that mankind is at least partially responsible
> for global warming."
>
> I will give you 2% or may be 4% being Mankind :
> With the 'other' 96%~98% being a non-stoppable
> Solar Caused Event -so-adapt-die- ~ RHF

And when did YOU get YOUR post-graduate degree in climatology?

...or did you just pull the 2-4% number out of thin air???

[J R]

Those Nitwit Numbskull global warming Weirdos have a thingy going about
the Oceans are soaking up the excess heat that they were expecting to
happen.
You can find the article about that at,
http://www.lucianne.com
cuhulin

[dxAce]

J R wrote:

There's always an excuse about what happens. If it snows, it's climate change
and if it rains it's global warming.

Bottom line: people, and more importantly, corporations need to be taxed.

Just listen to them, and you'll discover this.

[Hatfield]

The Solyndra fiasco illustrates the fruits of going green and unionized wages. China builds 100's of coal energy plants every year without paying extra to make them pollution free. Their workers receive a smaller hourly wage. Their cheaply built factories pollute. Therefore cheap Chinese solar panels dominate the market and nobody wants to pay extra for expensive American Solyndra panels which cost so much more.

Every nation that spends trillions to go carbon neutral will not be competitive on the world market. Therefore those nations economies will flounder and those nations will not have the monies to build large armies. Other countries will never respect them and their people will grow poorer and live in fear. Nations like China that do not give a royal fig about global warming will dominate more and more. Militarily and financially.

[dxAce]

Hatfield wrote:

> The Solyndra fiasco illustrates the fruits of going green and unionized wages. China builds 100's of coal energy plants every year without paying extra to make them pollution free. Their workers receive a smaller hourly wage. Their cheaply built factories pollute. Therefore cheap Chinese solar panels dominate the market and nobody wants to pay extra for expensive American Solyndra panels which cost so much more.
>
> Every nation that spends trillions to go carbon neutral will not be competitive on the world market. Therefore those nations economies will flounder and those nations will not have the monies to build large armies. Other countries will never respect them and their people will grow poorer and live in fear. Nations like China that do not give a royal fig about global warming will dominate more and more. Militarily and financially.

Amen brother, amen.

[dave]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-14771523

"Although I knew what to expect in terms of ice loss from satellite
imagery, I was still completely unprepared for the gob-smacking scale of
the break-up, which rendered me speechless," said Dr Hubbard.

"It was incredible to see. This glacier is huge, 20km across and 1000m
high.

"It's like looking into the Grand Canyon full of ice and coming back two
years later to find it's full of water."

[dxAce]

Take your meds, Dave.

[dave]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:59:56 -0700, Hatfield wrote:

> Every nation that spends trillions to go carbon neutral will not be
> competitive on the world market. Therefore those nations economies will
> flounder and those nations will not have the monies to build large
> armies. Other countries will never respect them and their people will
> grow poorer and live in fear. Nations like China that do not give a
> royal fig about global warming will dominate more and more. Militarily
> and financially.

Any nation with Predator drones and nuclear attack subs is already on top
militarily. We can kill everyone in your house, or everyone in your
capitol city.

The key phrase is "world market". We cannot compete on the "world market"
because we don't pollute and we don't work people 'til they drop dead.
Either the "world market" goes or Norman Rockwell's America goes. The two
cannot co-exist.

[dave]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:01:31 -0400, dxAce wrote:

>
> Amen brother, amen.

I never trust anyone who calls me "brother". It gives me a chill. I know
they want to con me.

[dxAce]

Dave, take 5 times your usual meds and you can go too.

Hit the trail, 'tard.

[dxAce]

I never trust anyone who can't read a spec sheet before taking their meds.

Hit the road, 'tard boy.

[dave]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:49:28 -0400, dxAce wrote:


> I never trust anyone who can't read a spec sheet before taking their
> meds.
>
> Hit the road, 'tard boy.

Wrong thread. (The point of the other one was that you can't buy parts
for it. I know here to get all the Nixie tubes I want).

[J R]

Here is that article I read at lucianne.com
http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=640093
cuhulin

[dave]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:49:36 -0500, J R wrote:

> Here is that article I read at lucianne.com
> http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=640093 cuhulin

That's incredibly old news. The ability of the ocean to absorb CO2 is
showing signs of waning, plus all that CO2 makes the undersea version of
acid rain, and is killing all the microscopic life at the base of the
food chain. There is enough frozen methane on the sea floor to turn this
place into Venus.

[dxAce]

Real men are from Mars, clown 'tards such as yourself are from Venus!

[J R]

Send Al Gore up through the Ozone hole into outer Space and that will
solve the Heat problem.
cuhulin

[dave]

You're smarter than that.

[J R]

Doggy is smarter.She doesn't believe in that Stupid Phony Baloney Fake
Fraud 'global warming' Crap.Neither do I.
cuhulin

[dave]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:49:53 -0500, J R wrote:

> Doggy is smarter.She doesn't believe in that Stupid Phony Baloney Fake
> Fraud 'global warming' Crap.Neither do I. cuhulin

It's good to have the support of one's peers.

[RHF]

On Sep 19, 4:59 am, Hatfield <ratone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Solyndra fiasco illustrates the fruits of going green and unionized wages.

- China builds 100's of coal energy plants every year
- without paying extra to make them pollution free.

Yeah Obama lets China Pollute with NO Carbon Credit
Taxation -while- Promoting Higher and More Carbon
Credit Taxation for US Energy Producers

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pQyvcBbJ0Fs/TYd0e5VgtPI/AAAAAAAADnM/Tw5V_7v2ZuY/image5.png

Plus Prez-A-Duntz "BO" {Obama} has used the EPA
to Shut-Down Construction of Newer Cleaner 'Clean-Coal'
Burning Electric Plants in the USA

Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-versus-
Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/145b6dede6d75e9a
.
HELLO AMERICA AND AMERICAN [US CITZEN] VOTERS :

The same people who voted for "BO" {Obama}
in 2008 to Prove that They Were Not Racists :
Will Vote Voted for Anybody But "BO" {Obama}
in 2012 to Prove that They Are Not Idiots.

Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-o.b.a.m.a.-one-big-ass-mistake-america-!-

Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
-don't-shame-yourself-by-voting-'bo'-again-
.
May soon to be former us prez-a-duntz Obama
live a long and prosperous life as an "EX"
Prez-A-Duntz - Amen ~ RHF
.

[dave]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:01:54 -0700, RHF wrote:

> On Sep 19, 4:59 am, Hatfield <ratone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Solyndra fiasco illustrates the fruits of going green and unionized
>> wages.
>
> - China builds 100's of coal energy plants every year - without paying
> extra to make them pollution free.
>
> Yeah Obama lets China Pollute with NO Carbon Credit Taxation -while-
> Promoting Higher and More Carbon Credit Taxation for US Energy Producers

While the United States is still debating whether to build a more
efficient kind of coal-fired power plant that uses extremely hot steam,
China has begun building such plants at a rate of one a month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html

[J R]

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Coal+to+liquid+fuel+Mississippi

Coal Gasification, clean fuel, sumpin like Dat.On schedule.
cuhulin

[dave]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:20:32 -0500, J R wrote:

> http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Coal+to+liquid+fuel+Mississippi
>
> Coal Gasification, clean fuel, sumpin like Dat.On schedule. cuhulin

This would be a good place for you to start getting an education. Your
utility company prefers to poison you. The clean natural gas they are
extracting from under your feet will be sold elsewhere.

[John Smith]

On 9/18/2011 1:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
> I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
> just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
> be very far behind.

>
> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> government(s) taxing folks.
>

> Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
> Kook'.
>

As cavemen hunkered down around their campfires, the fire pit released
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide. As forest fires raged across
lands, voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide was, and still is, released.
As yeasts convert sugars into ethanol, voluminous amounts of carbon
dioxide are release to produce the boozed consumed, planet wide. From
bacteria in the soil, to birds, cattle, humans, elephants, whales, etc.,
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released. As vegetation rots
in the depths of the seas, on the forest floors, on high mountain tops,
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are release ... it has been
harmless for time immemorial.

It is harmless to life, indeed, it is a VERY necessary plant food ...

Now the crooks want to make money off of it, great. But, I can't
imagine anyone but your common idiots, morons, imbeciles, crooks, etc.
supporting such out right criminal schemes.

Now, you talk about the poisons spewed from an autos exhaust, the brain
damage caused by such pollution, the increased risk of cancers, these
poisons permeating into ground waters, living organisms and coating the
planet, and, I CAN GET UPSET ...

Indeed, next time you are in your auto and cruising down the freeway,
realize that you are immersed in a stream of these toxins. You
air-conditioning is NOT removing them, you are breathing these toxins,
absorbing them into your body, they are imbedding themselves in your
bones and teeth, measurable amounts are introducing themselves into your
brain and nervous system, etc.

And, try to realize how some might consider you insane for showing upset
over harmless carbon dioxide while you are soft-killing yourself with
such toxins ... but worrying about the insignificant ...

Regards,
JS

[Mark Zenier]

In article <4E75B133...@milestones.com>,

dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
>I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
>just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
>be very far behind.

Thanks, I usually don't listen to this one. I thought that Mike Williams
gave him a pretty hard time.

What Frequency?

On the East Asian frequencies, it's usually 0:30 UTC Saturday
on 15360/15335? (5:30 PM Friday PDT) and 14:30 UTC (7:30 AM)
Monday on 9740/6195/5875. Or at 3:30 AM PDT on the PRI feed on
the local FM station.

>This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
>Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
>government(s) taxing folks.

Speak for yourself, Sparky. Out here in the West it shows up as an
extended forest fire season, melting mountain top glaciers, and
oysters with reproduction problems from ocean acidification.

(On the other hand, that "carbon credits" stuff is a poorly regulated
market, disconnected from reality, that your sort of free market
speculators must be having wet dreams about. "Lets turn pollution into
a commodity!" Shudder... What a scam.)

>Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
>Kook'.

Part of the BBC's daily science track at the same time

Discovery Monday/Tuesday (general science documentary)
Click Tuesday/Wednesday (computers and stuff)
Health Check Wednesday/Thursday
Science In Action Thursday/Friday (weekly science news)
One Planet Friday/Monday (environment)

Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

[Joe from Kokomo]

On 9/20/2011 9:51 AM, dave wrote:

> While the United States is still debating whether to build a more
> efficient kind of coal-fired power plant that uses extremely hot
> steam, China has begun building such plants at a rate of one a
> month.

Certainly they are building one power plant a month.

As manufacturers to the world, they -need- all that electricity. Too bad
we make very little in this country any more -- and too bad the greed of
wanting cheap products drove most of our manufacturing to China.

Oh, sorry, I almost forgot. We need those cheap products because no one
here has a decent paying job any more and therefore can only afford "cheap".

[JohnJohnsn]

On Sep 20, 10:38 am, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/18/2011 1:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
>> I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
>> just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
>> be very far behind.
>
>> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
>> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
>> government(s) taxing folks.
>
>> Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
>> Kook'.
>
> As cavemen hunkered down around their campfires, the fire pit released
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide.  As forest fires raged across
> lands, voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide was, and still is, released.
>   As yeasts convert sugars into ethanol, voluminous amounts of carbon

> dioxide are release to produce the booze consumed, planet wide.  From

> bacteria in the soil, to birds, cattle, humans, elephants, whales, etc.,
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released.  As vegetation rots
> in the depths of the seas, on the forest floors, on high mountain tops,

> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released ... it has been

> harmless for time immemorial.
>
> It is harmless to life, indeed, it is a VERY necessary plant food ...
>
> Now the crooks want to make money off of it, great.  But, I can't imagine
> anyone but your common idiots, morons, imbeciles, crooks, etc.
> supporting such out right criminal schemes.
>
> Now, you talk about the poisons spewed from an autos exhaust, the brain
> damage caused by such pollution, the increased risk of cancers, these
> poisons permeating into ground waters, living organisms and coating the
> planet, and, I CAN GET UPSET ...
>
> Indeed, next time you are in your auto and cruising down the freeway,
> realize that you are immersed in a stream of these toxins.  You
> air-conditioning is NOT removing them, you are breathing these toxins,
> absorbing them into your body, they are imbedding themselves in your
> bones and teeth, measurable amounts are introducing themselves into your
> brain and nervous system, etc.
>
> And, try to realize how some might consider you insane for showing upset
> over harmless carbon dioxide while you are soft-killing yourself with such
> toxins ... but worrying about the insignificant ...

One thing here, John: in many {most?} areas, the.modern automobile's
emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
being injested by the engine.

[J R]

The Search For Fire, old Cavemen (Cavewimmins too) movie.I am not sure
of the name of that movie, bit its a Real Good movie!
cuhulin

[D Peter Maus]

Cheap products are not a bad thing in and of themselves. Remember that
Japanese products were also cheap.

Not so much any more. Industrializing a nation requires certain steps.
Cheap manufactured goods is only an early step.

But there are a lot better ways to generate power than coal.
Geothermal, being among the cleanest. Even thorium nuclear is a better
option. Clean, plentiful, scalable pursuant to demand, self regulating
reaction, and apolitical, in that it can't be used to create weapons.

Something we should have long begun here.

[John Smith]

On 9/20/2011 9:46 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:

> ...
> One thing here, John: in many {most?} areas, the.modern automobile's
> emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
> being injested by the engine.

ROFLOL ...

Imbeciles ... who wants to save them, they are best left to their own
devices and dead ... frees us from the problems they generate ... MORON!

Carbon MONOXIDE, nitrates, sulphates, etc. in the auto exhaust are VERY
BAD ... but I wouldn't mind morons dying from them ...

Regards,
JS

[JohnJohnsn]

You're living in the past, John.

Compare your "knowledge" with that of Scientists:

Catalysis, Theory and Applications
January 2002
Paul C. J. Kamer and Gadi Rothenberg

CATALYTIC PURIFICATION OF EXHAUST GASES IN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES
Supplementary information compiled by E. K. Poels and D. S. Brands
...
http://www.science.uva.nl/~gadi/pdf_files/Exhaust_gases_purification.pdf

Even this information is nine years old now; but it tells the tale you
don't want to admit to be true.

"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin
to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals are so stupid it is easy work."
— Steven M. Barry

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
— Ronald Wilson Reagan

[John Smith]

You mean, you didn't read the last smog report on your auto, THIS TIME
READ IT!

Just this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm

THIS TAKEN FROM ABOVE SITE:
"MTBE (methyl tertiary-butyl ether) is a chemical compound that is
manufactured by the chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene. MTBE
is produced in very large quantities (over 200,000 barrels per day in
the U.S. in 1999) and is almost exclusively used as a fuel additive in
motor gasoline. It is one of a group of chemicals commonly known as
"oxygenates" because they raise the oxygen content of gasoline. At room
temperature, MTBE is a volatile, flammable and colorless liquid that
dissolves rather easily in water."

And, here is what is wrong with it:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/question347.htm

Yanno'? I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
"al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:j5b2n6$cbg$2...@dont-email.me...

Ok, show us anyone that has died from such a leakage.

[RHF]

- One thing here, John:  in many {most?} areas, the.modern
automobile's
- emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
- being injested by the engine.

Now there is an actual evolved 'clean/cleaner-air
reality : Cars as Polluted Air Cleaners

who'da thunk ~ RHF
.
.

[RHF]

> And, here is what is wrong with it:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

>
> Yanno'?  I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
> "al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!
>
> Regards,
> JS

The USA's MTBE use was circa the 1990s; and
Corn base Ethanol Mix is the reality of 2010s.
.
.

[RHF]

On Sep 20, 9:43 am, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
> On 9/20/2011 9:51 AM, dave wrote:
>
> > While the United States is still debating whether to build a more
> > efficient kind of coal-fired power plant that uses extremely hot
> > steam, China has begun building such plants at a rate of one a
> > month.
>
> Certainly they are building one power plant a month.
>
> As manufacturers to the world, they -need- all that electricity. Too bad
> we make very little in this country any more -- and too bad the greed of
> wanting cheap products drove most of our manufacturing to China.
>

- Oh, sorry, I almost forgot.
- We need those cheap products because no one
- here has a decent paying job any more and
- therefore can only afford "cheap".

Well then may be instead of a {Made-in-China}
Cheap Ass "Dollar Stores" we need All America
[Flag : RW&B} USA Stores : where everything
is "Made in the USA" ! -gba-

your choice = you decide ~ RHF
-vote-with-your-dollars-
.
.

[RHF]

On Sep 19, 11:17 am, mzen...@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) wrote:
> In article <4E75B133.C1D9E...@milestones.com>,

>
> dxAce  <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> >I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
> >just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
> >be very far behind.
>
> Thanks, I usually don't listen to this one.  I thought that Mike Williams
> gave him a pretty hard time.
>
> What Frequency?  
>
> On the East Asian frequencies, it's usually 0:30 UTC Saturday
> on 15360/15335? (5:30 PM Friday PDT) and 14:30 UTC (7:30 AM)
> Monday on 9740/6195/5875.  Or at 3:30 AM PDT on the PRI feed on
> the local FM station.
>
> >This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> >Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> >government(s) taxing folks.
>

- Speak for yourself, Sparky.  
- Out here in the West it shows up as an
extended forest fire season,

Oh Really !

- melting mountain top glaciers,

Lions and Tigers and Bears ! -oh-my-
.
- and oysters with reproduction problems
- from ocean acidification.

Down Wind of All Those 100s of Chinese
Carbon Credit Tax Free Free Free !
{NO "0" Al Gore/Obama Energy Taxes}
Coal-Fired Electric Power Plants
-oops-another-inconvenient-truth-
.
- (On the other hand, that "carbon credits" stuff is a poorly
regulated
- market, disconnected from reality, that your sort of free market
- speculators must be having wet dreams about.  "Lets turn pollution
into
- a commodity!"  Shudder...  What a scam.)

The Al Gore {Obama} 'Carbon Credit" Scheme :
It's a Wealth Transfer SCAM by any other name !
.

>
> >Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
> >Kook'.
>
> Part of the BBC's daily science track at the same time
>
> Discovery          Monday/Tuesday     (general science documentary)
> Click              Tuesday/Wednesday  (computers and stuff)
> Health Check       Wednesday/Thursday
> Science In Action  Thursday/Friday    (weekly science news)
> One Planet         Friday/Monday      (environment)
>

> Mark Zenier  mzen...@eskimo.com  

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.

---
LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?

[JohnJohnsn]

Didn't see "MY auto" in there, John; did you see YOURS?!? <snicker>

>THIS TIME READ IT!
>
> Just this: http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm
>
> THIS TAKEN FROM ABOVE SITE:
>
> "MTBE (methyl tertiary-butyl ether) is a chemical compound that is

> manufactured by the chemical chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene.

Why is it used?

MTBE has been used in U.S. gasoline at low levels since 1979 to
replace lead as an octane enhancer (helps prevent the engine from
"knocking"). Since 1992, MTBE has been used at higher concentrations
in some gasoline to fulfill the oxygenate requirements set by Congress
in the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments. (A few cities, such as Denver,
used oxygenates (MTBE) at higher concentrations during the wintertime
in the late 1980's.)
-Ibid.

Thanks for pointing out that the GOVERNMENT's mandating the use of
methanol and MTBE causes air pollution. <snicker>

It's known as "The Law of Unintended Consequences."

Many (most?) fuell addatives _are_ government-mandated.

> MTBE is produced in very large quantities (over 200,000 barrels per day
> in the U.S. in 1999) and is almost exclusively used as a fuel additive in
> motor gasoline. It is one of a group of chemicals commonly known as
> "oxygenates" because they raise the oxygen content of gasoline. At room
> temperature, MTBE is a volatile, flammable and colorless liquid that
> dissolves rather easily in water."
>
> And, here is what is wrong with it:

> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

>
> Yanno'?  I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
> "al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!

Microbes fight gas additive
Contamination: A combination of bacteria and oxygen shows promise in
cleaning up ground water polluted by MTBE.
By Timothy B. Wheeler
Baltimore Sun Staff

PORT HUENEME, Calif. -- Almost hidden by a low stockade fence, an
unassuming tangle of white plastic pipe and metal tanks on the parade
ground of a Navy base here could revolutionize cleanup of one of the
nation's most vexing environmental messes.

The West Coast home of the Seabees, Port Hueneme (why-KNEE-me) is a
major staging area for the naval engineers, with sprawling parking
lots for their vehicles and hardware. Like many military bases, this
1,600-acre complex sits above ground water that has been contaminated
-- in this case with a mile-long plume of a gasoline additive called
methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE.

Scientists say they hope their system -- which uses bacteria to devour
the chemical -- could trim millions of dollars and decades from the
current costly, time-consuming cleanups.
...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.ms.treat12jul12,0,2031565.story

[J R]

MTBE was killing the Marine critters in Lake Tahoe.Outboard and Inboard
boat engines and those Jetskies that were using MTBE were Outlawed.
cuhulin

[arthr...@webtv.net]

...and that's the Bitter Truth.

[arthr...@webtv.net]

One million years B.C. Raquel Welch .

[dave]

Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

[dave]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:27:49 -0700, RHF wrote:

>
> Now there is an actual evolved 'clean/cleaner-air reality : Cars as
> Polluted Air Cleaners
>
> who'da thunk ~ RHF
> .

I have a PZEV car.

[RHF]

On Sep 21, 5:34 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:42:22 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>
> >http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
> >    This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.
>
> > ---
> > LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?

- Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

Dave -wrt- Obama There Is NO Confusion
More-Spending + Higher-Spending = Massive Over-Spending !
More Taxes + Higher Taxes = Obama Tax-Slavery© !

O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Ass Mistake America !
http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
.

Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-versus-
Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/145b6dede6d75e9a
.

Here Is The Question : Will the same good people
who Voted for "BO" {Obama} in 2008 to Prove that
They Were Not RACISTS :
Now Vote for Anybody But "BO" {Obama} in 2012
to Prove that They Are Not IDIOTS !

.
Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-o.b.a.m.a.-one-big-ass-mistake-america-!-

.

Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
-don't-shame-yourself-by-voting-'bo'-again-
.
May soon to be former us prez-a-duntz Obama
live a long and prosperous life as an "EX"
Prez-A-Duntz - Amen ~ RHF
.

-or- Have These Sick {Deluded} People Join
'The Cult of The-Obama' and be Actively Working
for the Re-Elect Obama bi-Den© in 2012 !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7b6c4c7197b2de72
-just-say-'no'-to-the-cult-of-the-obama-!-
http://elwoodin.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/darth_obama.jpg
=Wake=Up=America=!=
.
.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Those Czechs know how to build cars, don't they? :>

[RHF]

On Sep 20, 7:55 pm, arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:08 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net (J R) wrote:
>

- - The Search For Fire, old Cavemen
- - (Cavewimmins too) movie.I am not sure
- - of the name of that movie, bit its a Real Good movie!
- - cuhulin

- One million years B.C.  Raquel Welch .

IIRC it was the "Quest for Fire"
http://image.blog.bitcomet.com/postpic/20080524/5642817_kvndzf080524165653.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_Fire_%28film%29
and the main female character was Rae Dawn Chong*
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p8QUX_Rd0sM/SwHZiqjClAI/AAAAAAAAAG0/7Wxu3FxrQ5g/s1600/quest-for-fire_l.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Dawn_Chong

* Tommy Chong's Daughter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Chong
-of- "Cheech & Chong" fame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheech_%26_Chong
.
.

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

RHF

> On Sep 21, 5:34 am, dave

>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:42:22 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
>> >    This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.
>>
>> > ---
>> > LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
>
> - Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>
> Dave -wrt- Obama There Is NO Confusion
> More-Spending + Higher-Spending = Massive Over-Spending !
> More Taxes + Higher Taxes = Obama Tax-Slavery© !
>
> O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Ass Mistake America !
> http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5yhxqkJiAQ&feature=player_embedded
OBAMA's TRUTH SQUADS ministering to your pension, 401k and wages.
-- they're the one's wearing masks.




The only thing necessary for EVIL to prosper is
for Good Men to do Absolutely Nothing.



http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/1596986255
The Roots of Obama's Rage


The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those
of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and
exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined. He is not
motivated by the civil rights struggles of African Americans in the
1960sthose battles leave him wholly untouched. He is not motivated by the
socialist or Marxist propaganda that hypnotized a whole generation of
wooly minded academics and condescending liberals those concepts also
leave him cold.

What really motivates Barack Obama is an inherited rage an often
masked, but profound rage that comes from his African father; an
anticolonialist rage against Western dominance, and most especially
against the wealth and power of the very nation Barack Obama now leads. It
is this rage that explains the previously inexplicable, and that gives us
a startling look at what might lie ahead.

In The Roots of Obama’s Rage you’ll learn: Why Obama’s economic
policies are actually designed to make America poorer compared to the rest
of the world Why Obama will welcome a nuclear Iran Why Obama sees America
as a rogue nation worse than North Korea The real reason Obama banished a
bust of Winston Churchill from the White House and ordered NASA to praise
the scientific contributions of Muslims Why Obama would like to make
America’s superpower status a thing of the past

Stunning, provocative, original, and telling no one has better
diagnosed who Obama is, what he intends to do, and why he poses an
existential threat to America than Dinesh D’Souza in The Roots of Obama’s
Rage.




http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-
private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
How Obama Thinks

[RHF]

-wrt- "PZEV"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_zero-emissions_vehicle
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/06q3/2007_ford_focus_pzev-car_news/gallery
.

[Howard Brazee]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:

>Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

True, but there aren't any Republican presidents of the past who would
(if they were reincarnated and were running for president today), pass
the Tea Bagger tests of conservative values.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

Howard Brazee

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
>>Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>
> True, but there aren't any Republican presidents of the past who would
> (if they were reincarnated and were running for president today), pass
> the Tea Bagger tests of conservative values.

The NEED for a Leader to follow
is NOTHING BUT a Weakness to Overcome.

LIBs. What price their Vision?
----
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.

"it is wrong to believe that if security is embraced,
liberty is sacrificed."
Janet Napolitano'10

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/163419.jpg
CLOWN

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/photo/2010/05/28/PH2010052804712.jpg
LIB

[John Smith]

Somehow you have missed the cancer deaths worldwide ... huh, you may
wish to keep up with current news more often ... that these deaths are
every growing in number, per capita?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Huh, what are they using the millions of gallons being produced for?
Don't tell me they have made it a new additive in our drinking water?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Kinda makes you want to wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe and start
taking deep breaths, don't it?

One thing, they have made the toxins and poisons almost odorless,
tasteless -- in all reality "invisible" to the avg person.

Since morons, such as those supporting their own poisoning, here, have
demonstrated, if you can't see it, it can't hurt kill you ...

But then, there are people with real backgrounds in the sciences who
know better ... it is just unfortunate that the morons support of their
own deaths and diminished health has dire consequences for those ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

ROFLOL!!!

I love morons, they are funny ... but, it could just be the drugs which
make them humorous.

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Why are the criminals who have made it into our public servant office of
president NEVER assassinated? nixon ... regan ... clinton ... bush ...
obama ... all being notable examples.

Regards,
JS

[D Peter Maus]

MTBE has been replaced by ethanol in many states. Mandated by law.
Among many reasons, for its toxicity. That, and ethanol does the same
thing for less money.

In fact, ethanol was recommended as an anti-knock compound in the
20's, but Rockefeller would not ceed 10% of the nations' gas tanks to
farmers or other non Standard-Oil production. This is where tetraethyl
lead came from. Anti-knock, produced by an amalgamation of GM, E.I.
DuPont and Standard Oil...the Ethyl Corporation.

Had Rockefeller not prevailed, there woud never have been lead in
gasoline, as it's never really been needed. Prior to introduction of
leaded gasoline, engine castings were harder, containing more nickel.
Valve recession was not a problem, and today, still isn't among drivers
of Studebaker, Nash, Hudson and some early AMC models, which still use
the high nickel castings.

But the inclusion of lead in gasoline, solved three problems for the
auto industry. 1) leaded gas allowed cheaper castings for manufacturers,
2) end of pre-ignition engine knock, 3) preclusion of non-Standard Oil
products in gasolines.

Had ethanol been used at the outset, none of the problems of leaded
gas, valve seat recession, and production of many toxic exhaust
chemicals would never have existed. And MTBE would never have been created.

Now, this isn't to say that ethanol is the end-all to our problems,
it's not. But as an anti-knock compound, and oxygenation additive, it's
an elegant, and non toxic solution. And it has replaced MTBE in gasoline
in many, if not most, regions.

Your information, while correct, is somewhat outdated.

One other thing. While the rest of the gasoline producing petroleum
industry was embracing tetraethyl lead, one company, American Oil,
resisted. And, American Oil gasolines, rebranded AMOCO, before
acquisition by Standard Oil, never had lead. Using a variety of other
additives to control engine knock. And doing it at lower cost per gallon.

[D Peter Maus]

Absurdity doesn't serve your arguments. Much of the MTBE, as with
the volume of tetraethyl lead, is shipped overseas where both are still
used in gasoline.

[D Peter Maus]

Your information is out of date.

[JohnJohnsn]

>> Kinda makes you want to wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe and start
>> taking deep breaths, don't it?
>
>> One thing, they have made the toxins and poisons almost odorless,
>> tasteless -- in all reality "invisible" to the avg person.
>
>> Since morons, such as those supporting their own poisoning, here, have
>> demonstrated, if you can't see it, it can't hurt kill you ...
>
>> But then, there are people with real backgrounds in the sciences who
>> know better ... it is just unfortunate that the morons support of their
>> own deaths and diminished health has dire consequences for those ...
>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>  Your information is out of date.

"John Smith" is living in the past, so to him it's "up to date,"
<snicker>

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."
-- Herbert Spencer (1891)

[J R]

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Skoda+Cars

JAWA Motorbikes.
Czech Wimmins.
cuhulin

[JohnJohnsn]

> Huh, what are they using the millions of gallons being produced for?
> Don't tell me they have made it a new additive in our drinking water?

Still living in the past, John.

Production and properties

MTBE is manufactured via the chemical reaction of methanol and
isobutylene. Methanol is derived from natural gas, and isobutylene is
derived from butane obtained from crude oil or natural gas, thus MTBE
is derived from fossil fuels. In the United States, it was produced in
very large quantities (more than 200,000 barrels per day in 1999)
during its use as a fuel additive.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_tert-butyl_ether

What part of "WAS PRODUCED" do you not understand?

Legislation and litigation in the U.S.
...
MTBE is banned in the US states of California and New York. MTBE
consumption, banned the chemical starting January 1, 2004, and as of
September 2005, twenty-five states had signed legislation banning
MTBE.
...
In 2000, the U.S. EPA drafted plans to phase out the use of MTBE
nationwide over four years.
...
--Ibid.

[John Smith]

It is important not to let morons go wild with facts and figures, they
are not just a danger to themselves, but to everyone, including
yourself, also.

Here is a chart of MTBE production in the USA, to date:
http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20and%20Use%207-28-11.pdf

It is important to note that these are for USA. Since most production
of most products/chemicals/equipment/etc. has declined and gone to
foreign production, one would be on firm ground if suspecting the same
for MTBE.

Also, in countries such as china meaningful facts and figures are hard
to come by and of questionable worth and accuracy.

And, it would be wise to realize, MTBE released anywhere in the world is
a danger to us here. Just as the sulfur, nitrous oxides, heavy metals,
toxic chemicals/compounds, radiation, etc. introduced into the
atmosphere find there way onboard USA shores, so does MTBE ...

On, simply, in a nutshell, one would have to have the facts and figures
of MTBE production, use, etc. worldwide to make a correct appraisal of
the dangers presented to us here ... one thing I am certain of, when
still employed in industry and privy to these facts and figures, and
people whose job it was to know these facts and figures, there was not a
water source on the planet which did not contain some miniscule trace of
MBTE ...

But, I do NOT find it any more comforting that we are now pumping sugars
and food though our gas tanks ... I would think only morons escape the
obvious and probably dangers/repercussions of that/those dangerous
practice(s.) If there were no hunger in the world, no starvation, no
shortages and future shortage of the fertilizers necessary for food
production, over use of toxic chemicals, herbicides, pesticides, etc.,
being deployed in this lunacy ... perhaps I could reconsider ... until
then, it is just another form of soft-kill which makes some rich and
some dead ...

Regards,
JS

[D Peter Maus]

These are production figures. Made in USA, yes. But use...that's a
different story. From your own document, here:



"MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
exported last month."


Of the 1821 thousand barrels produced, 1780 thousand barrels were
exported. Leaving 41 thousand barrels remaining in the US. Of that, some
is use, some is reserved stock.

The point being, and the point documented, according to your own
figures, that ethanol has replaced MTBE in the US as the dominant
oxygenation compound in gasoline. And it's use has been cut by a couple
orders of magnitude.

Again, you seem to be arguing outdated data.

> Also, in countries such as china meaningful facts and figures are
> hard to come by and of questionable worth and accuracy.
>
> And, it would be wise to realize, MTBE released anywhere in the
> world is a danger to us here. Just as the sulfur, nitrous oxides,
> heavy metals, toxic chemicals/compounds, radiation, etc. introduced
> into the atmosphere find there way onboard USA shores, so does MTBE
> ...
>
> On, simply, in a nutshell, one would have to have the facts and
> figures of MTBE production, use, etc. worldwide to make a correct
> appraisal of the dangers presented to us here ... one thing I am
> certain of, when still employed in industry and privy to these facts
> and figures, and people whose job it was to know these facts and
> figures, there was not a water source on the planet which did not
> contain some miniscule trace of MBTE ...

There's no air anywhere on the planet that doesn't contain a
measureably trace of cigarette smoke, either. So?

>
> But, I do NOT find it any more comforting that we are now pumping
> sugars and food though our gas tanks ... I would think only morons
> escape the obvious and probably dangers/repercussions of that/those
> dangerous practice(s.) If there were no hunger in the world, no
> starvation, no shortages and future shortage of the fertilizers
> necessary for food production, over use of toxic chemicals,
> herbicides, pesticides, etc., being deployed in this lunacy ...
> perhaps I could reconsider ... until then, it is just another form
> of soft-kill which makes some rich and some dead ...

Corn is a food, indeed. And a good chunk of production of corn is
going into non-food products. That's true. But the amount going into
gasoline is less than that going into plastic packaging, Duracell and
Energizer batteries, many adhesives, body powders, Bounce dryer sheets,
breath sprays, charcoal briquettes, chicken, instant coffee, contact
lens solution, dental fillings and cements, the wax on fresh fruits and
vegetables, hair products, Herbal Essence products, hand lotions, paper
containers, pesticide powders, pickles, plastic food containers, rice,
soaps, diswashing detergents, suntan lotions, and toothpaste. To name a few.

Much corn is produced specifically for non-food applications. There
are hybrids dedicated to these applications which are not suitable as
food for humans. Or many animals. And these hybrids are not planted by
growers producing food.

The dangers of which you speak are becoming irrelevant every day, as
more industrial corn is planted, reducing the diversion of food into non
comestible products.

Again, you seem to be arguing data out of date. And ad-homs at that.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Sep 21, 2:39 pm, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/21/2011 10:19 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/11 11:49 , John Smith wrote:
>
>>> On 9/20/2011 3:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>

>>>> "John Smith" <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote in message

>>>>>http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

7/28/11
C&S Grain Market Consulting
Monthly Ethanol and MTBE Production

>http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20and%20Use%207-28-11.pdf
>
> It is important to note that these are for USA.  

"The devil's in the details," John; and the details show you are
either misunderstanding what you read, or are lying pout your ass!

From your very own source comes:

"MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
exported last month."

--Ibid.

That means 76% of the production was exported (to-wit: OCONUS) "this
month" and 102% was exported "last month."

"Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"
--Deputy US Marshal Sam Gerard

"Come on, don't give us none of your bullshit stories huh?...I'm
pretty much ODing on all your bullshit stories!"
--Jake Fratelli

[John Smith]

Sounds like something of importance, until you realize that we are ever
increasingly importing GASOLINE, not oil to produce the gasoline from,
but finished product, so again, you would have to know how much MTBE was
in the imported gasoline, in foreign production/use, etc. ...

The use of MTBE, under scrutiny, will find a million ways to escape that
scrutiny ... it is obvious, what practices have been done in the past,
will be repeated now and into the future ... a main tool of criminals is
obfuscation and "the shell game."

And, like I said, until we know the production and use of MTBE
worldwide, we can't even begin to fathom if the MTBE in our ground water
will be diminishing, or not ... or, in the arctic ice caps, glaciers,
ocean waters, etc.

Anyway you cut it, any fancy obfuscations you wish to hang on it,
automobiles are the single largest cause of pollution, DUH!:
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/05-autos.pdf

... and this doesn't even take into consideration any additives which
may, or may not, be present in it.

I personally add "Mystery Oil" to every tank of my gas, it lubricates
the over head valves, valve guides, rings, cylinder wall, cleans
injectors, fuel pump, etc. ... greatly increasing the octane by slowing
burn and decreasing "knock", etc. ... plus a good dose of Berrymans'
Chemtool every couple of tanks or two ... my neighbor drop a few
mothballs in every tank to stop knock and burn regular in their auto
which requires premium gas ... since I don't buy the more expensive
techroline gas from chevron, there is about an ounce of tolulene in
every tank I burn ... when the companies "junked" the gas, we who like
high performance engines responded with fixes ...

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5d4jp$1qg$2...@dont-email.me...

Cool, and you can show me those cancer deaths were caused by leakages of
MTBE from storage tanks in the USA?

Otherwise, your just flapping your lips.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5dku5$qj2$1...@dont-email.me...

Yea, and it should also be noted that the Gasoline imported is RAW Gasoline
without additives. See the Additive package isn't added until it's being
loaded on the truck for shipment to the retailer.

So, once again, your information is somewhat lacking in applicability.

[D Peter Maus]

On 9/21/11 16:27 , John Smith wrote:


> Sounds like something of importance, until you realize that we are ever
> increasingly importing GASOLINE, not oil to produce the gasoline from,
> but finished product, so again, you would have to know how much MTBE was
> in the imported gasoline, in foreign production/use, etc. ...
>

In a word...none. Gasoline is imported in a raw state. That is,
without additives. It is the raw distillate from the refinery. It is
also, in fact, undifferentiated by brand. It is only 'gasoline.' And the
same gasoline goes into every tank. The difference is that each brand,
each grade, has its own, proprietary, additives. Which will include
xylenes, ethanol, dyes, and combustion rate inhibitors. Those are added
at the depot. But they are not included in the imported gasoline.

So, we know precisely how much MTBE is in imported gasoline--Zero.

[John Smith]

When you present a site, this will be believable, until then, we have
your word ... important to your mother, I am sure, but you can
understand how the rest of us will require more ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Again, any "facts" someone points out, with verification, would be great
to take a look at ... and consider ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Yes, those are the figures ... for the USA ... and as you pointed out,
they are my very own figures OF MTBE PRODUCTION IN THE USA, repeated to
me with your BS statements ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

You mean that you question that MTBE is a carcinogen? That it does not
cause cancer?

Why don't you just verify it yourself, it is well documented ... if you
mean because any single death cannot be linked to its' use or presence,
you are an imbecile ... but then, you already knew that and found it
acceptable, else we would not have seen such a BS question/statement.

That is very much like, "Can you prove the high mercury levels in fish
are killing anyone?" Or, "Can you prove it is the high radiation
released by the jap meltdown has/is/will cause cancer in anyone?"

Frankly, don't your realize only morons ask such question or attempt to
base "proofs" on them? -- if not, what is the point of anyone discussing
anything with you ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

I missed the worldwide production figures as to how much is being
produced today ... indeed, they seem difficult to find ... would you
mind reposting them so I can see it is no longer a problem?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

And, the updated barrels produced, worldwide, since most of our
production and manufacturing is not done there, is, where?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

On 9/21/2011 10:22 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

Let me be more blunt, out-of-sight-out-of-mind-idiots do not impress me ...:

"In 2006, due to litigation and liability fears, the blending of MTBE
into gasoline in the United States was discontinued. The European Union,
in contrast to the United States, has affirmed the continued use of
ethers in gasoline blending. The Middle East continues as a large
producer and consumer of MTBE. Also, South America (excluding Brazil),
Mexico, and a large portion of Asia continue to be consumers of MTBE.
Europe, South America, and Asia all support a continued
global market for ethers in the gasoline pool, affording several major
MTBE producers in the USA to continue to operate as export-only
facilities. In addition, there are numerous world-scale
MTBE plants in the Middle East and Asia that service this global market.
The current global production capacity is estimated to be approximately
18 million metric tons per year."

http://jordan-associates.com/Ethers_Study_2010/2010%20Ethers%20Prospectus%20Package.pdf

However, your "BS willingness" to simply dismiss anything you don't
"feel" is correct is duly noted, however, the credibility of what you
have to say suffers, greatly, for it ... but, look around, there is/are
and abundance of such idiots as yourself -- indeed, that may be the real
problem, in a nutshell ... and, apparently, your moronic buddies seem to
think fact and truth is simply a matter of such unfounded beliefs ...

Regards,
JS

[JohnJohnsn]

>>>http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20...

>
>>> It is important to note that these are for USA.
>
>> "The devil's in the details," John; and the details show you are
>> either misunderstanding what you read, or are lying pout your ass!
>
>>  From your very own source comes:
>
>> "MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
>> from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
>> thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
>> thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
>> exported last month."
>> --Ibid.
>
>> That means 76% of the production was exported (to-wit: OCONUS) "this
>> month" and 102% was exported "last month."
>
>> "Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"
>>   --Deputy US Marshal Sam Gerard
>
>> "Come on, don't give us none of your bullshit stories huh?...I'm
>> pretty much ODing on all your bullshit stories!"
>> --Jake Fratelli
>
> Yes, those are the figures ... for the USA ... and as you pointed out,
> they are my very own figures OF MTBE PRODUCTION IN THE USA,
> repeated to me with your BS statements ...

WE "produce"; SOMEONE ELSE "uses:" too simple a concept for you to
understand, John?

See if you can "compress" (ISJ <g>) this, John:

"MTBE is now banned from use in gasoline in the USA, due to studies
that revealed it causes groundwater contamination and cancer,
primarily due to leakage from underground storage tanks."

"Several countries outside the USA still continue to use MTBE in
gasoline."
...
"MTBE is no longer allowed in gasoline dispensed at public gas pumps"
...
http://www.fueltestkit.com/ethanol_mtbe_vs_non_alcohol_gas.htm

So, John; feel free to seek out those "several (other) countries and
try to get them onboard. <snicker>

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5do0p$dnr$1...@dont-email.me...

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310153645AAy4LET

Additive packages are added to the mix when pumped into the tanker for
delivery to the retailer. Until then it's all just raw unadulterated
gasoline as it comes from the refinery.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5do46$dnr$2...@dont-email.me...

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310153645AAy4LET

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5doji$hlh$1...@dont-email.me...

Attempt to evade noted.

> Why don't you just verify it yourself, it is well documented ... if you
> mean because any single death cannot be linked to its' use or presence,
> you are an imbecile ... but then, you already knew that and found it
> acceptable, else we would not have seen such a BS question/statement.

Diversion noted.

> That is very much like, "Can you prove the high mercury levels in fish are
> killing anyone?" Or, "Can you prove it is the high radiation released by
> the jap meltdown has/is/will cause cancer in anyone?"

Attempt to change the subject is noted.

> Frankly, don't your realize only morons ask such question or attempt to
> base "proofs" on them? -- if not, what is the point of anyone discussing
> anything with you ...

I take it then you can't show the deaths you claim?

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5dpth$pl4$1...@dont-email.me...

<snip>

So it's no longer really a serious issue in the USA anymore then is it.

Oh, and this would also seem to confirm that the gasoline we import doesn't
have MTBE either.

So what problem are you trying to solve?

So clearly your comments to him doesn't really apply since the thing you're
bitching about, isn't being used generally in gasoline anymore.

[J R]

I don't know if the Czechs still do it, but they used to drink their
tea/coffee/beverages from tea cups that look like little tea pots.They
would drink from the little spouts on those little tea pots.
cuhulin

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

John Smith
>
> Why are the criminals...


Why shouldn't the Guilty be Rewarded?
Why shouldn't the Innocent be Punished?
Why shouldn't the Mediocre, the Unworthy, the Depraved
be CHAMPIONED on the basis of their DEPRAVITY?




Of *COURSE* he feels your pain, that's precisely what it's for!


This is Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century.
A Glasnost to Terror the Likes of which the world has never seen.
---
LIBs. What Price their Vision?










http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/being-obama_591426.html
Being Obama

What makes President Obama’s executive passivity so interesting is that it
seems to be a symptom not of policy uncertainty, but of personal
narcissism. The president is free to delegate the tasks of the president
because he’s already done the important job of simply showing up.

...

President Obama never tires of inserting himself into measurement of the
world around him.
...

When people don’t appreciate how important the job of being Barack Obama
is, our president can get a little testy. “As time passes, you start
taking it for granted that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama is president
of the United States,” he told a group of donors in March. “But we should
never take it for granted. . . . I hope that all of you still feel that
sense of excitement and that sense of possibility.” Last November he met
with Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai, who began his remarks by
thanking the president for setting the “tone right” for their talks.
Obama huffed, “That was my goal. Every once in a while, I do things
right.” ...


Bill Clinton’s vanity was that he wished he could have been at the center
of a world historical event. Barack Obama’s vanity is that he believes he
is a world historical event. And the greatness of his being dwarfs any
necessity to establish greatness through action. That’s why, despite his
passivity as president, we’re likely to see a much more vigorous Obama in
the coming months as he switches from governing to campaigning. However
ambivalent he may be about leading the country, arguing for the
indispensability of Barack Obama is the one project that has always
commanded his full attention.


History repeats itself, first as Tragedy (Clinton), then as FARCE (OBAMA).



   If a President of the United States
   ever lied to the American people he should resign.
       -- William J. Clinton, 1974



        "We'll always be a AAA nation".
                        BARACK OBAMA'11


IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA. PERIOD.

[D. Peter Maus]

Your eloquence seems to know few limits.