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Savageduck
Apr 5, 2022, 1:27:17 PM4/5/22
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It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
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Regards,
Savageduck
spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
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Regards,
Savageduck
Alan Browne
Apr 5, 2022, 2:45:47 PM4/5/22
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Spend the night there - then you can shoot in the evening /and/ the morning!
--
"Mr Speaker, I withdraw my statement that half the cabinet are asses -
half the cabinet are not asses."
-Benjamin Disraeli
geoff
Apr 5, 2022, 9:18:52 PM4/5/22
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local treasure ?
Do these videos have stabilisation (etc) done in post, or is the raw
actually that steady and level ?
And have you ever got 'lost' ?
geoff
Savageduck
Apr 6, 2022, 12:45:57 AM4/6/22
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On Apr 5, 2022, geoff wrote
(in article<D_ydnTqPZerud9H_...@giganews.com>):
> On 6/04/2022 5:27 am, Savageduck wrote:
> > It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
> > spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
> >
> > <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>
> Lovely. Will be nicer still when those smoke-stacks come down. Or a
> local treasure ?
The plan is for demolition by disassembly rather than implosion to reduce the dust issue, and disturbance along the Embarcadero.
There are some who have a morbid sentimentality, and at least one has a financial interest, "The Three Stacks, and a Rock Brewery”. There is bigger money coming in turning the old power plant into a massive energy storage facility.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
(in article<D_ydnTqPZerud9H_...@giganews.com>):
> On 6/04/2022 5:27 am, Savageduck wrote:
> > It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
> > spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
> >
> > <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>
> Lovely. Will be nicer still when those smoke-stacks come down. Or a
> local treasure ?
There are some who have a morbid sentimentality, and at least one has a financial interest, "The Three Stacks, and a Rock Brewery”. There is bigger money coming in turning the old power plant into a massive energy storage facility.
>
> Do these videos have stabilisation (etc) done in post, or is the raw
> actually that steady and level ?
There is no stabilization in post. The technology in today’s GPS camera drones is amazing, and is just one reason that drones with good tech, including software, and camera hardware are not inexpensive. I am always amazed at how solid the flight can be, even in strong, gusty wind.
> Do these videos have stabilisation (etc) done in post, or is the raw
> actually that steady and level ?
>
> And have you ever got 'lost' ?
Fortunately, no. They provide some navigation/map tools in the software, that and I have always maintained a sense of locational awareness. That said, GPS drones such as my DJI Air 2S will set a home point at take off. In the event there is a low battery, or loss of RC controller signal the software will initiate an Auto Return To Home (RTH), and it will return to the home point and land. Also if you are totally lost, and have lost visual contact with the drone you can push/tap t6he RTH button on the controller to start a return to home. Best to learn how to navigate, and save the RTH for real emergencies.
> And have you ever got 'lost' ?
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Regards,
Savageduck
David Brooks
Apr 6, 2022, 6:36:07 AM4/6/22
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So different to the many views we are seeing of the desecration in
Ukraine. :-(
Alfred Molon
Apr 6, 2022, 12:58:21 PM4/6/22
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bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures). Also,
approaching things from the sea is a good idea.
--
Alfred Molon
Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
David Brooks
Apr 6, 2022, 4:20:16 PM4/6/22
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On 06/04/2022 17:58, Alfred Molon wrote:
> Am 05.04.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Savageduck:
>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
>>
>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>>
>
> This is better than previous videos because it's more 3D (that big Morro
> bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures). Also,
> approaching things from the sea is a good idea.
I agree. Probably the best drone video he's shown us. :-D
> Am 05.04.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Savageduck:
>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a great
>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
>>
>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>>
>
> This is better than previous videos because it's more 3D (that big Morro
> bay rock for instance + you are getting closer to structures). Also,
> approaching things from the sea is a good idea.
David Brooks
Aug 17, 2022, 6:51:01 AM8/17/22
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On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
HunterBD
Sep 10, 2022, 12:03:17 PM9/10/22
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HunterBD
Sep 10, 2022, 12:09:00 PM9/10/22
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Does it play for you?
sobriquet
Sep 10, 2022, 3:03:13 PM9/10/22
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I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
HunterBD
Sep 10, 2022, 3:12:43 PM9/10/22
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--
Crossposted to ACW for Apd's attention.
HunterBD
Sep 10, 2022, 3:27:32 PM9/10/22
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Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
presentation, filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
sobriquet
Sep 10, 2022, 3:55:11 PM9/10/22
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of that groups.google thread does load in both safari and chrome on my ipad mini..
but it refuses to load on the win10 pc in chrome.
HunterBD
Sep 10, 2022, 4:22:23 PM9/10/22
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I'm hoping that Apd will be able to get to the bottom of it. You'll find
him in MY home Usenet group - 'alt.computer.workshop'.
FromTheRafters
Sep 10, 2022, 6:45:30 PM9/10/22
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HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
Does Chrome work now too?
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
properly encoded ones?
HunterBD
Sep 11, 2022, 2:20:58 AM9/11/22
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> I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
>
> Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
> properly encoded ones?
Whisky-dave
Sep 12, 2022, 8:26:54 AM9/12/22
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David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 10:36:44 AM10/13/22
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(ACW group added)
It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive though!
FromTheRafters
Oct 13, 2022, 11:23:12 AM10/13/22
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David Brooks presented the following explanation :
Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through,
they cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters
passing through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer
encoding necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and
should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that
might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
"[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters
";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters
may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
(including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
they cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters
passing through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer
encoding necessary for NNTP.
For URI/URL in particular:
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
" Unsafe:
Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons. The space
character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
delimit URLs in some systems. The character "#" is unsafe and
should
always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that
might
follow it. The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
encodings of other characters. Other characters are unsafe because
gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
"[", "]", and "`".
All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
Also, reserved characters:
Reserved:
Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded. The characters
";",
"/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters
may
be reserved within a scheme.
Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
unencoded within a URL.
On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
(including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
purpose.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 11:28:56 AM10/13/22
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iCloud Drive?
nospam
Oct 13, 2022, 12:17:21 PM10/13/22
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In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.26...@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
<B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
> iCloud Drive?
you put them there.
>
> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
> iCloud Drive?
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 12:26:32 PM10/13/22
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On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
> Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
> how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
> conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
> answered any better than it already has.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
> how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
> conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
> answered any better than it already has.
I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
in my iCloud Drive again.
FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
occurred.
Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
and knows much about Apple devices.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 12:56:01 PM10/13/22
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> paranoia... AGAIN.
>
>>> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
>>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
>>> answered any better than it already has.
>>
>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive.
>
> It's been explained how that would take place.
>>> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
>>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
>>> answered any better than it already has.
>>
>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive.
>
>
>> Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>
> What are you suggesting, that you, and you alone, have an iCloud setting
>> Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>
> bug? Contact Apple if you believe that's so.
>
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge.
>
> Didn't he say he wasn't 'up' on the 'iCloud thing'? In any event, beyond
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge.
>
> what has already been explained, unless he sat with you (and saw you
> inadvertently do it) he's not going to be able to help you.
>
>> Although he's not an Apple man of long-standing, he may have been able
>> to suggest what may have occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
> If it contains you 'doing what you do' I'll confine it to ACW.
>> Although he's not an Apple man of long-standing, he may have been able
>> to suggest what may have occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
>
> Why don't you just ask WD directly? But then, even after you get
> essentially the same response you've already been given you'll ignore it
> because it's not conducive to you 'doing what you do' <shrug>.
I HAVE asked WD directly.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 12:59:03 PM10/13/22
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Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
If so, please explain how that is achievable.
Snit
Oct 13, 2022, 1:09:04 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
Where did you get the videos initially?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 2:04:08 PM10/13/22
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On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.26...@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> you put them there.
>>
>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>
>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>
>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>
> Where did you get the videos initially?
I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.26...@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> you put them there.
>>
>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>
>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>
>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>
> Where did you get the videos initially?
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
Snit
Oct 13, 2022, 2:10:36 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lqY1L.1354591$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
pop up a save dialog?
<lqY1L.1354591$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
pop up a save dialog?
FromTheRafters
Oct 13, 2022, 2:36:30 PM10/13/22
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David Brooks has brought this to us :
No, but I'm guessing that you at least attempted to show them to
someone who was using a small screen, and iCloud/iCloud Drive had it so
as to convert it to a format for that screen or something like that.
Are you banned from Apple? Maybe you could ask them if such a scenario
is possible. They don't seem to have a detailed description of the
inner workings anywhere.
someone who was using a small screen, and iCloud/iCloud Drive had it so
as to convert it to a format for that screen or something like that.
Are you banned from Apple? Maybe you could ask them if such a scenario
is possible. They don't seem to have a detailed description of the
inner workings anywhere.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 3:35:42 PM10/13/22
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On 13/10/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lqY1L.1354591$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.26...@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>
>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>
>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>
>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>
>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>
> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
> pop up a save dialog?
No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lqY1L.1354591$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.26...@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>
>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>
>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>
>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>
>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>
> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
> pop up a save dialog?
videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!
Snit
Oct 13, 2022, 4:12:25 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022 at 12:35:35 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<bMZ1L.816896$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>>
>>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>>
>> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
>> pop up a save dialog?
>
> No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
> videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
> especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!
I am confused. What does watching a video have to do with your iCloud drive?
Do you have the links?
<bMZ1L.816896$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>>
>>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>>
>> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
>> pop up a save dialog?
>
> No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
> videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
> especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!
Do you have the links?
nospam
Oct 13, 2022, 4:25:39 PM10/13/22
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In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1...@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.
<B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
> >> iCloud Drive?
> >
> > you put them there.
>
> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>
> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>
> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
> >>
> >> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
> >> iCloud Drive?
> >
> > you put them there.
>
> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>
> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>
> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.
David Brooks
Oct 13, 2022, 4:40:54 PM10/13/22
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and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.
Snit
Oct 13, 2022, 5:14:30 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1...@fx12.ams1>:
What link?
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? But how are
these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files,
to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there...
something like that. But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1...@fx12.ams1>:
I am missing something.
You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? But how are
these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files,
to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there...
something like that. But then it would be other files.
I am missing something.
pothead
Oct 13, 2022, 5:28:33 PM10/13/22
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iCloud.
I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has defaults that get set up
when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.
--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.
Snit
Oct 13, 2022, 5:47:19 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:28:27 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<ti9vtr$1sfkq$1...@dont-email.me>:
>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>>
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
>> man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
> configured to back up to
> iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has
> defaults that get set up
> when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.
If someone shares a file in iCloud, others can view it and it gets added to
their iCloud drive for easy access.
I do not know all the combos and options.
<ti9vtr$1sfkq$1...@dont-email.me>:
>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>>
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
>> man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
> configured to back up to
> iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has
> defaults that get set up
> when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.
their iCloud drive for easy access.
I do not know all the combos and options.
Whisky-dave
Oct 14, 2022, 8:30:38 AM10/14/22
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David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 11:53:44 AM10/14/22
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On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks brought next idea :
>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when
>>>>> I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with
>>>>> the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>
>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>
>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>
> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
--
David
> David Brooks brought next idea :
>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when
>>>>> I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with
>>>>> the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>
>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>
>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>
> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
Have I understood you correctly?
--
David
FromTheRafters
Oct 14, 2022, 12:08:45 PM10/14/22
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David Brooks wrote :
No, I said privilege.
...winston
Oct 14, 2022, 12:12:21 PM10/14/22
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pothead" wrote in message news:ti9vtr$1sfkq$1...@dont-email.me...
Backup for:
- Desktop, Documents, Pictures located your specific Windows user logon
C:\\Users\<windows logon>
...but, to do so, user intervention is necessary and with acceptance to
occur
- i.e. a screen prompt showing the Backup windows with each of those
folder options needs to be 'Ok'd'
The other direction available is not 'up' to the MSA's OneDrive(cloud)
- It's from OneDrive online down to the local stored OneDrive folder
Again...user intervention is necessary to configure what syncs down
OneDrive does not have settings for applications/apps that integrate
with OneDrive. Those applications have their own OneDrive
'save-to-cloud' settings.
--
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
> configured to back up to iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive.
> It has defaults that get set up when you install/activate it and I
> noticed similar behavior.
Yes, One Drive on first use(never having signed in, oobe use) will configure
> configured to back up to iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive.
> It has defaults that get set up when you install/activate it and I
> noticed similar behavior.
Backup for:
- Desktop, Documents, Pictures located your specific Windows user logon
C:\\Users\<windows logon>
...but, to do so, user intervention is necessary and with acceptance to
occur
- i.e. a screen prompt showing the Backup windows with each of those
folder options needs to be 'Ok'd'
The other direction available is not 'up' to the MSA's OneDrive(cloud)
- It's from OneDrive online down to the local stored OneDrive folder
Again...user intervention is necessary to configure what syncs down
OneDrive does not have settings for applications/apps that integrate
with OneDrive. Those applications have their own OneDrive
'save-to-cloud' settings.
--
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 12:20:01 PM10/14/22
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Thanks.
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 12:26:01 PM10/14/22
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talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
machine scan MS OneDrive?
As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
effect, it's a secret hiding place!
FromTheRafters
Oct 14, 2022, 1:45:40 PM10/14/22
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David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 3:14:39 PM10/14/22
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You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
Please comment.
--
David
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 3:40:28 PM10/14/22
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On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>
> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
Does that mean anything to you?
Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
=
For relaxation, I've made this:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>
>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>
> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>
>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>
>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>
>
> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
Does that mean anything to you?
Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
=
For relaxation, I've made this:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
Snit
Oct 14, 2022, 4:37:41 PM10/14/22
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On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>
>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>
>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>
>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>
>
> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
The icons could have looked different.
> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>
> Does that mean anything to you?
>
> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them.
Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
Well done!
>
> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
You were winging it.
<FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>
>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>
>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>
>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>
>
> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
The icons could have looked different.
> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>
> Does that mean anything to you?
>
> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
Well done!
>
> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
FromTheRafters
Oct 14, 2022, 4:52:23 PM10/14/22
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It happens that David Brooks formulated :
It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 5:19:21 PM10/14/22
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on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
Snit
Oct 14, 2022, 5:37:11 PM10/14/22
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On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>
>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>
>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>
>>> Please comment.
>>
>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>
> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
<mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>
>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>
>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>
>>> Please comment.
>>
>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>
> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 6:38:00 PM10/14/22
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On 14/10/2022 22:37, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>
>>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>>
>>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>>
>>>> Please comment.
>>>
>>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>>
>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
> -----
> End-to-end encryption
> -----
Spot-on Snit! :-D
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>
>>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>>
>>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>>
>>>> Please comment.
>>>
>>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>>
>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
> -----
> End-to-end encryption
> -----
I just KNEW you would find the answer/evidence!
Snit
Oct 14, 2022, 6:45:49 PM10/14/22
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On Oct 14, 2022 at 3:37:53 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<5xl2L.1084152$vFVf....@fx02.ams1>:
Thanks.
<5xl2L.1084152$vFVf....@fx02.ams1>:
David Brooks
Oct 14, 2022, 7:04:11 PM10/14/22
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On 14/10/2022 21:37, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
>
>> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>>
>>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>>
>>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>>
>>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>>
>>
>> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
>
> Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
Who knows?!! Changed quite often by me as a matter of my policy!
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
>
>> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>>
>>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>>
>>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>>
>>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>>
>>
>> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
>
> Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
>> I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
>>
>> https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
>
> The icons could have looked different.
They looked like this, as I've said before:- https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
>> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>>
>> Does that mean anything to you?
>>
>> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
>
> The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them.
> Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
>
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
>> =
>>
>> For relaxation, I've made this:-
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
>
> Well done!
>> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
>
> You were winging it.
--
David
FromTheRafters
Oct 14, 2022, 7:34:06 PM10/14/22
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Some light reading:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
Snit
Oct 14, 2022, 7:42:20 PM10/14/22
to
On Oct 14, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<EVl2L.1335411$f0c6....@fx10.ams1>:
> On 14/10/2022 21:37, Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>>>
>>>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>>>
>>>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>>>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>>>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>>>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
>>
>> Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
>
> Who knows?!! Changed quite often by me as a matter of my policy!
If someone is adding things to your iCloud drive the mostly likely way is by
having your password.
>>> I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
>>>
>>> https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
>>
>> The icons could have looked different.
>
> But they didn't.
> They looked like this, as I've said before:- https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
I mean they could have looked different from wherever they were copied from.
>>> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>>>
>>> Does that mean anything to you?
>>>
>>> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
>>
>> The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them.
>> Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
>
> Interesting. Thank you.
I do not know if that is the app those files were associated with, but the
icons will change based now what app.
>
>>> =
>>>
>>> For relaxation, I've made this:-
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
>>
>> Well done!
>
> Thanks.
>
>>> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
>>
>> You were winging it.
>
> I was! :-D (But you did help me back-along!)
We all learn as we go.
<EVl2L.1335411$f0c6....@fx10.ams1>:
> On 14/10/2022 21:37, Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1...@fx14.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>>>
>>>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>>>
>>>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>>>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>>>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>>>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>
>>
>> Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.
>
> Who knows?!! Changed quite often by me as a matter of my policy!
having your password.
>>> I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
>>>
>>> https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
>>
>> The icons could have looked different.
>
> But they didn't.
> They looked like this, as I've said before:- https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME
>>> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>>>
>>> Does that mean anything to you?
>>>
>>> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.
>>
>> The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them.
>> Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12
>
> Interesting. Thank you.
icons will change based now what app.
>
>>> =
>>>
>>> For relaxation, I've made this:-
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms
>>
>> Well done!
>
> Thanks.
>
>>> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)
>>
>> You were winging it.
>
> I was! :-D (But you did help me back-along!)
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 15, 2022, 12:33:37 AM10/15/22
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Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>
>>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>>
>>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>>
>>>> Please comment.
>>>
>>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>>
>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
> -----
> End-to-end encryption
> -----
*ROTFLSTC*
> <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.15...@fx15.ams1>:
>
>>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>>
>>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>>
>>>> Please comment.
>>>
>>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>>
>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
> -----
> End-to-end encryption
> -----
Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
such promises.
--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 2:33:41 AM10/15/22
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On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
<tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 4:53:50 AM10/15/22
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I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
Drive. Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Have I misunderstood something?
Please advise.
--
David
FromTheRafters
Oct 15, 2022, 6:08:26 AM10/15/22
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security.
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 11:11:42 AM10/15/22
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>
https://cloud.google.com/architecture/automating-malware-scanning-for-documents-uploaded-to-cloud-storage
I've skimmed over that. It's above my pay-grade!
*DID* you understand what I said above? *DO you* think that MALWARE
and/or malicious software 'tools' /could/ move data onto one's Apple
iCloud Drive?
--
David
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 11:39:53 AM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qyu2L.1443677$pI23....@fx07.ams1>:
>>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
>>> encrypted?
>>
>> You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
>>
>> Some light reading:
>>
>> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
>
> Thanks, FTR. :-D
>
> I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
> Drive.
If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you
phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
> Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
> security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
> also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be
removed from online storage.
> Do you understand what I am saying?
>
> Have I misunderstood something?
>
> Please advise.
You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even
without you opening it.
<qyu2L.1443677$pI23....@fx07.ams1>:
>>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
>>> encrypted?
>>
>> You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
>>
>> Some light reading:
>>
>> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
>
> Thanks, FTR. :-D
>
> I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
> Drive.
phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
> Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
> security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
> also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
removed from online storage.
> Do you understand what I am saying?
>
> Have I misunderstood something?
>
> Please advise.
without you opening it.
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 11:40:49 AM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 8:11:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf....@fx03.ams1>:
I can write a simple AppleScript that moves things to your iCloud drive
(though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware
doing this?
<G4A2L.659025$MEGf....@fx03.ams1>:
(though it would ask for your permission). What would the value be of malware
doing this?
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 12:55:57 PM10/15/22
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If malware is able to hide on one's iCloud Drive it can survive the
complete erasure
of a computer's hard drive(s) or even the replacement of the complete
computer.When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
I'm fairly
sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 1:00:26 PM10/15/22
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On 15/10/2022 16:39, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <qyu2L.1443677$pI23....@fx07.ams1>:
>
>>>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
>>>> encrypted?
>>>
>>> You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
>>>
>>> Some light reading:
>>>
>>> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
>>
>> Thanks, FTR. :-D
>>
>> I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
>> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
>> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
>> Drive.
>
> If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you
> phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
> there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
Yes, of course.
> On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:53:42 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <qyu2L.1443677$pI23....@fx07.ams1>:
>
>>>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>>>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be
>>>> encrypted?
>>>
>>> You'll have to trust Apple to do STaaS best practices.
>>>
>>> Some light reading:
>>>
>>> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/cloud-computing/storage-as-a-service.html
>>
>> Thanks, FTR. :-D
>>
>> I have every confidence in Apple and do subscribe for and use extra
>> storage space. I have, though, discovered that I can personally add
>> items to my iCloud Drive. If *I* can do so, I have little doubt that
>> 'someone' with access to my machine could ALSO put things onto my iCloud
>> Drive.
>
> If they are at your machine and it is unlocked, absolutely. Same if with you
> phone. And, remember, if you or someone else adds it to one device it will be
> there for another. That is the nature of online storage.
>> Whilst there it remains hidden from my view, hidden from Apple
>> security scans and from scans by third-party anti-malware scanners. It
>> also remains there when one ERASES all data from one's hardware.
>
> Of course. One has to delete things from the online storage to have it be
> removed from online storage.
>> Do you understand what I am saying?
>>
>> Have I misunderstood something?
>>
>> Please advise.
>
> You seem to think malware sitting on a drive would be a risk to you, even
> without you opening it.
FromTheRafters
Oct 15, 2022, 2:18:19 PM10/15/22
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David Brooks explained on 10/15/2022 :
Yes, but you would have to have malicious activity on the computer you
use to access that storage in order for there to be that activity. The
scanners should not change or add data to the drive.
It's like an external harddrive with everything on it encrypted. For
something to move malicious material onto it would need the right
(write) local privilege level. For the other direction it would need
the right privilege level to 'read' the data so as to decrypt the data
and scan the data for malware locally.
You seem to 'want' to have a plausible scenario (rationalization) for
distrusting those AM tools that you mistrust. Suffice it to say that
malware or tools with adequate privilege can do anything the user can
do. If you can put something somewhere, it can put something somewhere;
if you can take something from somewhere, it can take something from
somewhere.
use to access that storage in order for there to be that activity. The
scanners should not change or add data to the drive.
It's like an external harddrive with everything on it encrypted. For
something to move malicious material onto it would need the right
(write) local privilege level. For the other direction it would need
the right privilege level to 'read' the data so as to decrypt the data
and scan the data for malware locally.
You seem to 'want' to have a plausible scenario (rationalization) for
distrusting those AM tools that you mistrust. Suffice it to say that
malware or tools with adequate privilege can do anything the user can
do. If you can put something somewhere, it can put something somewhere;
if you can take something from somewhere, it can take something from
somewhere.
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 2:38:50 PM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 10:00:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<DGB2L.890203$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
So what is the issue? You had files on your drive years ago which you do not
recall putting there, but the only explanation is you or someone with access
to your devices did. You are somehow tying this to another service and another
Usenet group. I did not understand that connection. Seems you or maybe, if she
has access, your wife put some files on your iCloud drive.
Can you explain what I am missing?
<DGB2L.890203$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
recall putting there, but the only explanation is you or someone with access
to your devices did. You are somehow tying this to another service and another
Usenet group. I did not understand that connection. Seems you or maybe, if she
has access, your wife put some files on your iCloud drive.
Can you explain what I am missing?
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 2:39:34 PM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 9:55:50 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<qCB2L.890202$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
Right. Just like if you had it on an external drive not connected to your
machine.
> When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
> I'm fairly
> sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
> malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
How?
<qCB2L.890202$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
machine.
> When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
> I'm fairly
> sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
> malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 4:12:28 PM10/15/22
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>> When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
>> I'm fairly
>> sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
>> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
>> malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
>
> How?
computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 4:19:19 PM10/15/22
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confirmation of a general principal. I appreciate you help. 🙂
David Brooks
Oct 15, 2022, 4:39:37 PM10/15/22
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Just suppose ........ someone like Dustin attacked your (now bricked)
iMac. In process, he put something malicious onto you personal iCloud
Drive (because he'd already snaffled your Apple ID and password!). You
can no longer use your iMac.
You get a replacement computer which you connect to the Internet. For
simplicity, you keep your same Apple ID and password. A clever visitor
to your new computer could then extract the malicious item from your
iCloud Drive and infect your new computer. The chances are good that you
would never ever know about it.
My understanding is that sophisticated malware can, and does, protect
itself from being found. HOW it does so, I do not know.
HTH
--
David
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 4:48:01 PM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:12:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<FuE2L.1354782$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
The USB standard has vulnerabilities I do not think iCloud does.
<FuE2L.1354782$YC96....@fx12.ams1>:
Snit
Oct 15, 2022, 4:52:38 PM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022 at 1:39:29 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<5UE2L.1509673$%fx6....@fx14.ams1>:
Damned unlikely.
> In process, he put something malicious onto you personal iCloud
> Drive (because he'd already snaffled your Apple ID and password!). You
> can no longer use your iMac.
With two factor that is also unlikely, but if he got onto my machine, OK.
> You get a replacement computer which you connect to the Internet. For
> simplicity, you keep your same Apple ID and password. A clever visitor
> to your new computer could then extract the malicious item from your
> iCloud Drive and infect your new computer.
If they are already on my computer they can just put something nasty back on!
> The chances are good that you
> would never ever know about it.
>
> My understanding is that sophisticated malware can, and does, protect
> itself from being found. HOW it does so, I do not know.
>
> HTH
Not sure where you are coming from or going with this. Just speculation? Tied
to to Smugmug?
<5UE2L.1509673$%fx6....@fx14.ams1>:
> In process, he put something malicious onto you personal iCloud
> Drive (because he'd already snaffled your Apple ID and password!). You
> can no longer use your iMac.
> You get a replacement computer which you connect to the Internet. For
> simplicity, you keep your same Apple ID and password. A clever visitor
> to your new computer could then extract the malicious item from your
> iCloud Drive and infect your new computer.
> The chances are good that you
> would never ever know about it.
>
> My understanding is that sophisticated malware can, and does, protect
> itself from being found. HOW it does so, I do not know.
>
> HTH
to to Smugmug?
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 7:19:56 AM10/16/22
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Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
services have full and transparent End-to-end encryption. They don't and
they can't.
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>
>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>
>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>>> -----
>>> End-to-end encryption
>>> -----
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*
>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>> such promises.
>
>
> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
I do not have to prove anything. Apple is obliged to substantiate which
>>> -----
>>> End-to-end encryption
>>> -----
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*
>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>> such promises.
>
>
> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
services have full and transparent End-to-end encryption. They don't and
they can't.
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 7:22:09 AM10/16/22
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Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
this nonexistent cagtegory.
>> *ROTFLSTC*
>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>> such promises.
>
>
> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
With the newly introduced spying on pictures photos do not belong in
>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>> such promises.
>
>
> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
this nonexistent cagtegory.
FromTheRafters
Oct 16, 2022, 7:23:43 AM10/16/22
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It happens that Snit formulated :
ITYM no 'features' like autorun/autoplay to deal with. Yes, it is so
annoying to have to push an additional button or two to play my movies
and video games after I plug them into the USB sockets.
annoying to have to push an additional button or two to play my movies
and video games after I plug them into the USB sockets.
FromTheRafters
Oct 16, 2022, 7:34:17 AM10/16/22
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Joerg Lorenz explained :
> Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
>> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>>
>>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>>>> -----
>>>> End-to-end encryption
>>>> -----
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*
>>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>>> such promises.
>>
>>
>> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
>
> I do not have to prove anything.
We don't have to believe unsubstantiated claims.
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
>> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>>
>>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>>>> -----
>>>> End-to-end encryption
>>>> -----
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*
>>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>>> such promises.
>>
>>
>> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
>
> I do not have to prove anything.
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 8:15:00 AM10/16/22
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Am 16.10.22 um 13:34 schrieb FromTheRafters:
> Joerg Lorenz explained :
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
> Joerg Lorenz explained :
>> I do not have to prove anything.
>
> We don't have to believe unsubstantiated claims.
You are a Troll: In the case of security the reversal of evidence applies.
>
> We don't have to believe unsubstantiated claims.
Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
nospam
Oct 16, 2022, 10:53:36 AM10/16/22
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In article <tigsjt$bi9r$1...@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
>
> Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
yes they most certainly have.
start here. there's more detailed information in their white papers.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
For additional privacy and security, many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption, which encrypts your information using
keys derived from your devices and your device passcode, which
only you know. This means that only you can decrypt and access
your information, and only on trusted devices where you're signed
in with your Apple ID. No one else, not even Apple, can access your
end-to-end encrypted data. End-to-end encryption requires two-factor
authentication for your Apple ID and a passcode set on your devices.
Some features using end-to-end encryption may require up-to-date
software.
wrote:
>
> Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
start here. there's more detailed information in their white papers.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
For additional privacy and security, many Apple services use
end-to-end encryption, which encrypts your information using
keys derived from your devices and your device passcode, which
only you know. This means that only you can decrypt and access
your information, and only on trusted devices where you're signed
in with your Apple ID. No one else, not even Apple, can access your
end-to-end encrypted data. End-to-end encryption requires two-factor
authentication for your Apple ID and a passcode set on your devices.
Some features using end-to-end encryption may require up-to-date
software.
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 12:13:03 PM10/16/22
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Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
claiming end-to-end encyption.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
> many Apple services use
> end-to-end encryption
Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
> end-to-end encryption
claiming end-to-end encyption.
Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
"claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
broken up.
nospam
Oct 16, 2022, 12:47:11 PM10/16/22
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In article <tihai8$bn9o$1...@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
> > many Apple services use
> > end-to-end encryption
>
> Which ones?
read the link in my post. there's even an easy to read chart.
> How dopes it become transparent.
magic.
> Apple is not credible in
> claiming end-to-end encyption.
yes they are.
> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> broken up.
apple doesn't spy on pictures.
google, on the other hand...
wrote:
> > many Apple services use
> > end-to-end encryption
>
> Which ones?
> How dopes it become transparent.
> Apple is not credible in
> claiming end-to-end encyption.
> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> broken up.
google, on the other hand...
David Brooks
Oct 16, 2022, 1:41:04 PM10/16/22
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On 16/10/2022 00:20, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2022-10-15, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>> On 15/10/2022 23:04, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> You claim you want to learn
>>> but that doesn't jibe with your action of avoiding things.
>>
>> I've been learning about malware and 'bad guys' since I had £245.00
>> fraudulently taken from my bank account in 2005.
>
> Why so evasive? Why not answer my questions?
I'm wary because Snit has told me about his experiences with you in the
past.
Ask just one thing at a time and I will respond.
>> Cybercrime fascinates me.
>
> You're not getting anywhere near cybercrime with the stuff you do. The
> most common forms of it are phishing, identity theft (usually involving
> credit card activity) and ransomware (less common)... and there's a
> reason for that, people are the weakest link (look at what Hao Kuo Chi
> did). Apple's iCloud just isn't that vulnerable, less so nowadays. Is it
> bulletproof? Of course not, nothing is... but it makes no sense to do
> what you're suggesting anyway.
You are, perhaps, misunderstanding me. I do NOT consider the Apple
iCloud to be "vulnerable".
> If you're talking about breaching iCloud servers directly, it will be
> detected before long but unless you can crack the encryption, there's no
> point. At the start of the pandemic I did read that Apple isn't going to
> encrypt iPhone backups to iCloud at the behest of the FBI, a thing they
> were working to do, but I don't know if that's still the case.
I don't know what has transpired there either.
I have experimented with using the iCloud Drive to share files. It's not
difficult and it 'works'! :-)
I'm absolutely certain that *I* didn't put Savageduck's video files into
my iCloud Drive. Have you any idea at all how that could have happened,
simply by me clicking on a link he posted in the 'rec.photo.digital' group?
TIA
> On 2022-10-15, David Brooks <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>> On 15/10/2022 23:04, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> You claim you want to learn
>>> but that doesn't jibe with your action of avoiding things.
>>
>> I've been learning about malware and 'bad guys' since I had £245.00
>> fraudulently taken from my bank account in 2005.
>
> Why so evasive? Why not answer my questions?
I'm wary because Snit has told me about his experiences with you in the
past.
Ask just one thing at a time and I will respond.
>> Cybercrime fascinates me.
>
> You're not getting anywhere near cybercrime with the stuff you do. The
> most common forms of it are phishing, identity theft (usually involving
> credit card activity) and ransomware (less common)... and there's a
> reason for that, people are the weakest link (look at what Hao Kuo Chi
> did). Apple's iCloud just isn't that vulnerable, less so nowadays. Is it
> bulletproof? Of course not, nothing is... but it makes no sense to do
> what you're suggesting anyway.
You are, perhaps, misunderstanding me. I do NOT consider the Apple
iCloud to be "vulnerable".
> If you're talking about breaching iCloud servers directly, it will be
> detected before long but unless you can crack the encryption, there's no
> point. At the start of the pandemic I did read that Apple isn't going to
> encrypt iPhone backups to iCloud at the behest of the FBI, a thing they
> were working to do, but I don't know if that's still the case.
I don't know what has transpired there either.
I have experimented with using the iCloud Drive to share files. It's not
difficult and it 'works'! :-)
I'm absolutely certain that *I* didn't put Savageduck's video files into
my iCloud Drive. Have you any idea at all how that could have happened,
simply by me clicking on a link he posted in the 'rec.photo.digital' group?
TIA
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 4:20:16 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 10:40:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ImX2L.1059323$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
With the link you shared there is no even slight likely way it could have led
to putting files on your iCloud drive.
>
> TIA
<ImX2L.1059323$9f26....@fx09.ams1>:
to putting files on your iCloud drive.
>
> TIA
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 4:21:00 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 4:19:49 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tigpcl$btu6$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
>> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>>
>>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>>>> -----
>>>> End-to-end encryption
>>>> -----
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*
>>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>>> such promises.
>>
>>
>> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
>
> I do not have to prove anything.
No. But failing to do so you fail to make a decent argument.
> Apple is obliged to substantiate which
> services have full and transparent End-to-end encryption. They don't and
> they can't.
--
<tigpcl$btu6$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 15.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Snit:
>> On Oct 14, 2022 at 9:33:29 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
>> <tidd6q$a6si$1...@solani.org>:
>>
>>> Am 14.10.22 um 23:37 schrieb Snit:
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
>>>> -----
>>>> End-to-end encryption
>>>> -----
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*
>>> Apple has no transparent end-to-end encryption for nothing. Never trust
>>> such promises.
>>
>>
>> If you have counter evidence I am open to it.
>
> I do not have to prove anything.
> Apple is obliged to substantiate which
> services have full and transparent End-to-end encryption. They don't and
> they can't.
--
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 4:21:54 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 4:23:34 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<tigpjo$34opu$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>> When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
>>>>> I'm fairly
>>>>> sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
>>>>> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
>>>>> malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>
>>> The same way a thumb drive, with installed malware, can infect a
>>> computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
>>
>> The USB standard has vulnerabilities I do not think iCloud does.
>
> ITYM no 'features' like autorun/autoplay to deal with.
Correct.
> Yes, it is so
> annoying to have to push an additional button or two to play my movies
> and video games after I plug them into the USB sockets.
There are therapists who specialize just in those forms of stress. I wish you
well.
<tigpjo$34opu$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>> When a user reconnects to the Internet using their Apple ID,
>>>>> I'm fairly
>>>>> sure that, with the right 'encouragement', that same malware could be
>>>>> extracted from the iCloud Drive and then get back to work on its
>>>>> malicious activity, on the computer's main hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>
>>> The same way a thumb drive, with installed malware, can infect a
>>> computer if it is inserted into a USB socket.
>>
>> The USB standard has vulnerabilities I do not think iCloud does.
>
> ITYM no 'features' like autorun/autoplay to deal with.
> Yes, it is so
> annoying to have to push an additional button or two to play my movies
> and video games after I plug them into the USB sockets.
well.
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 4:22:16 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tigsjt$bi9r$1...@solani.org>:
What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
<tigsjt$bi9r$1...@solani.org>:
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 4:23:08 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 9:12:56 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tihai8$bn9o$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
>> many Apple services use
>> end-to-end encryption
>
> Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
> claiming end-to-end encyption.
I would suggest they are more credible you suggesting they do not.
> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> broken up.
You are asking to be trusted.
<tihai8$bn9o$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
>> many Apple services use
>> end-to-end encryption
>
> Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
> claiming end-to-end encyption.
> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> broken up.
David Brooks
Oct 16, 2022, 6:39:55 PM10/16/22
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it from there? Might that have done it?
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 7:13:40 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 3:39:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>:
Yes, he could have shared an iCloud link.
<TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>:
nospam
Oct 16, 2022, 7:32:02 PM10/16/22
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In article <TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
> Might that have done it?
no.
<B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
> it from there?
he could have, but that's irrelevant.
>
> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
> it from there?
> Might that have done it?
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 9:39:06 PM10/16/22
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Am 16.10.22 um 22:23 schrieb Snit:
> On Oct 16, 2022 at 9:12:56 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
> <tihai8$bn9o$1...@solani.org>:
>
>> Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
>>> many Apple services use
>>> end-to-end encryption
>>
>> Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
>> claiming end-to-end encyption.
>
> I would suggest they are more credible you suggesting they do not.
>
>> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
>> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
>> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
>> broken up.
>
> You are asking to be trusted.
Your choice.
> <tihai8$bn9o$1...@solani.org>:
>
>> Am 16.10.22 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
>>> many Apple services use
>>> end-to-end encryption
>>
>> Which ones? How dopes it become transparent. Apple is not credible in
>> claiming end-to-end encyption.
>
> I would suggest they are more credible you suggesting they do not.
>
>> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
>> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
>> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
>> broken up.
>
> You are asking to be trusted.
Snit
Oct 16, 2022, 9:40:12 PM10/16/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 6:38:58 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tiibnj$c7ms$1...@solani.org>:
We have reached agreement.
<tiibnj$c7ms$1...@solani.org>:
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 16, 2022, 9:49:21 PM10/16/22
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Am 16.10.22 um 18:47 schrieb nospam:
Certainly they do.
nospam
Oct 16, 2022, 10:23:52 PM10/16/22
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In article <tiicaq$c7mt$1...@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
> >> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> >> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> >> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> >> broken up.
> >
> > apple doesn't spy on pictures.
>
> Certainly they do.
they don't, nor can they, by design.
> >> Only the *superstupid* believe an American commercial company such
> >> "claims". Are people even not learning it the hard way anmore? The
> >> spying on pictures for example is only possible if the encyption is
> >> broken up.
> >
> > apple doesn't spy on pictures.
>
> Certainly they do.
Snit
Oct 17, 2022, 12:35:55 AM10/17/22
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David Brooks
Oct 17, 2022, 1:02:21 AM10/17/22
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On 17/10/2022 00:31, nospam wrote:
> In article <TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
>>
>> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
>> it from there?
>
> he could have, but that's irrelevant.
Thank you for agreeing with Snit about that.
> In article <TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
>>
>> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
>> it from there?
>
> he could have, but that's irrelevant.
>> Might that have done it?
>
> no.
I didn't move the video files from Savageduck onto my iCloud Drive
personally.
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 17, 2022, 1:20:50 AM10/17/22
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Am 17.10.22 um 04:23 schrieb nospam:
They do by design:
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 17, 2022, 1:21:36 AM10/17/22
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Am 17.10.22 um 06:35 schrieb Snit:
> Evidence?
Fanboy?
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
> Evidence?
Fanboy?
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
Snit
Oct 17, 2022, 1:47:10 AM10/17/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 10:02:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ql53L.1227551$wkZ5....@fx11.ams1>:
Most likely explanation is SOMEONE with access to one of your devices did.
<ql53L.1227551$wkZ5....@fx11.ams1>:
Snit
Oct 17, 2022, 1:47:50 AM10/17/22
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On Oct 16, 2022 at 10:21:30 PM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
<tiiooq$ctbu$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 17.10.22 um 06:35 schrieb Snit:
>> Evidence?
>
> Fanboy?
No. Just like evidence.
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
Thank you. I do recall that.
<tiiooq$ctbu$1...@solani.org>:
> Am 17.10.22 um 06:35 schrieb Snit:
>> Evidence?
>
> Fanboy?
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/
Thank you. I do recall that.
Joerg Lorenz
Oct 17, 2022, 2:18:08 AM10/17/22
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Am 16.10.22 um 22:22 schrieb Snit:
organization outside the USA.
"Certified by the NSA" is certainly not sufficient.
*ROTFLSTC*
> On Oct 16, 2022 at 5:14:53 AM MST, "Joerg Lorenz" wrote
>> Apple never ever proved it offers end-to-end encryption for any service.
>
> What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
A Due Diligence by an independent, non-government and non-profit
>
> What would you accept as acceptable evidence?
organization outside the USA.
"Certified by the NSA" is certainly not sufficient.
*ROTFLSTC*
David Brooks
Oct 17, 2022, 2:23:54 AM10/17/22
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On 17/10/2022 06:47, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2022 at 10:02:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <ql53L.1227551$wkZ5....@fx11.ams1>:
>
>> On 17/10/2022 00:31, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
>>>> it from there?
>>>
>>> he could have, but that's irrelevant.
>>
>> Thank you for agreeing with Snit about that.
>>
>>>> Might that have done it?
>>>
>>> no.
>>
>> I see. What technical explanation do you have, please?
>>
>> I didn't move the video files from Savageduck onto my iCloud Drive
>> personally.
>
> Most likely explanation is SOMEONE with access to one of your devices did.
As FromTheRafters has been explaining to me for years ......
> On Oct 16, 2022 at 10:02:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <ql53L.1227551$wkZ5....@fx11.ams1>:
>
>> On 17/10/2022 00:31, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <TK%2L.2239292$ulh3.2...@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Might Savageduck have put his video(s) onto HIS iCloud Drive and shared
>>>> it from there?
>>>
>>> he could have, but that's irrelevant.
>>
>> Thank you for agreeing with Snit about that.
>>
>>>> Might that have done it?
>>>
>>> no.
>>
>> I see. What technical explanation do you have, please?
>>
>> I didn't move the video files from Savageduck onto my iCloud Drive
>> personally.
>
> Most likely explanation is SOMEONE with access to one of your devices did.
Anything which *I* can do, properly crafted malware can ALSO do!
It is NOT happening now. 🙂
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