new 2008 Demento Society membership package now available!
Mysterious Mose
Yes, it's finally here! The new 2008 Demento Society membership
package can now be ordered at drdemento.com
Just to clear up some confusion, the Demento Society and Demento
Online Club are two separate clubs. Membership in the Demento Society
does not give you access to the online club. Online membership does
not get you the new membership package unless you subscribed using the
full price yearly option, in which case you do receive Demento Society
membership as a bonus.
I hope this answers some of the questions I often get. I plan to
clarify this on the web site soon.
Enjoy!
MM
Jeff Morris
> Yes, it's finally here! The new 2008 Demento Society membership
> package can now be ordered at drdemento.com
Great! Now I can post the track listing for Basement Tapes 16. Musical
Mike was otherwise occupied this year, so I did the mastering for this
one. I hope my pinch hitting is satisfactory for everyone.
1. Cellular Degeneration - Sudden Death
2. Hold On, I've Got To Take This - Power Salad
3. Butt Floss Girl - Project Sisyphus
4. Re: Your Song About My Client Delilah - Robert Lund
5. Never Date A Musician - The Bobs
6. Coffee Girl - The Four Postmen
7. Brownies For Breakfast - Holly Tannen
8. Count To Ten - Paul & Storm
9. Dementia Revolution - the great Luke Ski f/ MC Lars
10. The NASCAR Song - Steve Goodie
11. The Verb To Be - Mrs Ackroyd Band f/ Les Barker
12. 99 Words For Boobs - Robert Lund
13. The Day The Data Died - Loose Bruce Kerr
14. I Was Just Flipped Off By A Silver Haired Old Lady With A "Honk If You
Love Jesus" Sticker On The Bumper Of Her Car - Antsy McClain & The
Trailer Park Troubadours
15. Rehabilitation - Tim Cavanagh
16. The People Who Live In Your Apartment Building - Flying Like Wilma
17. Immigration - Jesse Goldberg
18. The One That Doesn't Suck So Bad - Barry Mitchell
19. We've Been Through Some Crappy Times Before - Austin Lounge Lizards
20. The Arkansas Traveller - Len Spencer
21. Than Ireland - Jellyside Downe
George Orwell
for this one.
::I hope my pinch hitting is satisfactory for everyone.
Jeff Morris, would you please reveal your process for 'mastering'?
Otherwise please refer to your process as 'editing.'
There is a substantial difference between the two and your use of
semantics diminishes those who've strive for
the best in audio mastering. Despite that, I cringe when people misuse
the word 'mastering' but thank you
for valiance in keeping demented music alive though:)
Jacqueline
For your edification. from the rec.audio.pro FAQ
Q6.3 - What is mastering?
Mastering is a multifaceted term that is often misunderstood.
Back in the days of vinyl records, mastering involved the actual
cutting of the master that would be used for pressing. This
often involved a variety of sonic adjustments so that the mixed
tape would ultimately be properly rendered on vinyl.
The age of the CD has changed the meaning of the term quite a
bit. There are now two elements often called mastering. The
first is the eminently straightforward process of preparing a
master for pressing. As most mixdowns now occur on DAT, this
often involves the relatively simple tasks of generating the PQ
subcode necessary for CD replication. PQ subcode is the data
stream that contains information such as the number of tracks on
a disc, the location of the start points of each track, the clock
display information, and the like. This information is created
during mastering and prepared as a PQ data burst which the
pressing plant uses to make the glass pressing master.
Mastering's more common meaning, however, is the art of making a
recording sound "commercial." It is the last chance one has to
get the recording sounding the way it ought to. Tasks often done
in mastering include:
? Adjustment of time between pieces
? Quality of fade-in/out
? Relation of levels between tracks (such that the listener
doesn't have to go swinging the volume control all over the
place)
? Program EQ to achieve a desired consistency
? Compression to make one's disc sound LOUDER than others on the
market
? The list goes on.
A good mastering engineer can often take a poorly-produced
recording and make it suitable for the market. A bad one can
make a good recording sound terrible. Some recordings are so
well produced, mixed, and edited that all they need is to be
given PQ subcode and sent right out. ::::::Other recordings are made
by people on ego trips, who think they know everything about
recording, and who make recordings that are, technically
speaking, wretched trash.:::::
Good mastering professionals are acquainted with many styles of
music, and know what it is that their clients hope to achieve.
They then use their tools either lightly or severely to
accomplish all the multiple steps involved in preparing a disc
for pressing. [Gabe]
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Jeff Morris
I'm not sure why the people there would care too much about Dr. Demento's
Basement Tapes 16.]
> Jeff Morris, would you please reveal your process for 'mastering'?
> Otherwise please refer to your process as 'editing.'
> There is a substantial difference between the two and your use of
> semantics diminishes those who've strive for
> the best in audio mastering.
I also strive for the best in audio mastering. I run a recording studio
(morrisstudios.com) and also do transfers of older recordings for people,
and will take on almost any job that involves recorded sound. I have met
very few people who are pickier about getting things to sound right than I
am.
Every single thing you quoted from the rec.audio.pro FAQ is something I
did for this CD, specifically:
* PQ subcode
* Adjustment of time between pieces
* Quality of fade-in/out
* Relation of levels between tracks (such that the listener
doesn't have to go swinging the volume control all over the
place)
* Program EQ to achieve a desired consistency
* Compression to make one's disc sound LOUDER than others on the
market
(Well, technically the compression on a few tracks wasn't added to make
this CD louder than others, but just to make things consistent between the
tracks.)
This being a compilation CD of tracks from many different sources, a lot
of analysis and adjustment had to be done to make everything flow smoothly
(more than on a CD of a single band all recorded in the same studio with
the same settings). Dr. Demento and I worked on this together.
In addition, I did noise reduction on the 1902 track that was taken from a
cylinder recording. I have done this sort of work on vinyl and acetate
records before, as well as various kinds of tape recordings, but this was
my first time working with a cylinder. I found it to be similar to vinyl
records, but with its own unique characteristics. I'm sure Mike could've
done a better job, but hopefully I did an acceptable job.
Many people in this newsgroup have used my services before. I'm not sure
why you're calling my terminology into question. I say what I mean.
Nomen Nescio
::* I run a recording studio
::(morrisstudios.com) and also do transfers of older recordings
::for people, and will take on almost any job that involves recorded
::sound.
Sorry to rain down on your parade but that's not audio mastering, that's
transferring. If you recorded all of the bands then assembled the DAT or
whatever format into a glass master, and checked for errors, etc. -
that's mastering. But there are a couple of steps you overlooked, you
just have to learn for yourself. Taking copies of CD's or DATs that have
already been through the process of post editing/mastering and then
dumping them into a digital editor is not mastering because from what
you described you diminished the integrity of the individuals who had
already did the recording by not using THEIR MASTER. Finally you should
list your equipment on your website as most world class mastering
facilities do. Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
Thanks,
Jacqueline
Chris/Power Salad
<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
Hard to take anyone seriously who hides behind an anonymizer. What are
your credits? At what studios did you intern? List some info we can
verify, otherwise you are a troll.
You are indeed correct that the term "mastering" is being diluted and
misapplied by those who don't understand it, but Jeff does, despite
what you say in this newsgroup. I have heard before and after versions
of tunes he has "mastered", and the term is being correctly applied.
I am also aware of mastering means, the post-mix, final audio
"sweetening" process. It is a step that is missing from a great deal
of non-pro-studio recorded material, and indeed was from my early
recordings, but is no longer.
So unless you are adding something to the conversation and can back up
your opinions factually without anonymizing yourself, do us all a
favor.....
George Orwell
>Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
I'm with Jacueline on this one and I'll revert to ad hominen attacks
too. She's right. Jeff Morris doesn't list his equipment he's just
playing with a bunch of tonka toys and living a world of delusions. See
what deeeeement music will do to you matty. So Chris/Power Salad, pig
man, I'll pour salt on the wounds I W I L L N O T subscribe to the
Demento Society membership packages because your music is neither funny
and sounds like shit...cream puff. Nor will I support the music
because of the crappy production values. Maybe Barrett Hansen
should re-think about the renegades he affiliates himself with. Maybe us
disgruntled deementites should NOW write the good old doc by snail email
and tell him. Here ya go
folks, so hi
Barrett E Hansen
(alias. Dr Demento, Doctor Demento)
6102 Pimenta Avenue
Lakewood, CA 90712
Also is the web site below paying RIAA fees or is it running like a
dog with its wet tongue out of its mouth in a car window?
www.DementiaRadio.org
Tick tick tick tick tick. And don't forget to stay deeeeemented.
Chris/Power Salad: <oink, squeal, snort>.
<ROTFLMAO>
Spaff.com
2007. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/de447d2356ca7529/1ee37d370bf22860
<quote>
Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to
Doctor Demento as
Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on
all cylinders".
They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly
to David Tanny.
Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia:
Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or
non-specific
person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant
of.
</quote>
xoxox
Spaff
Chris/Power Salad
<nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
Nobody is right.
now THAT's comedy.
D a v i d T a n n y
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:25:21 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>tons of b.s.
BTW: I don't know Dr. Demento's real address. He and his staff or friends never told
me. If that's it, then you might be talking to some lawyers for posting private information
without consent of him.
D a v i d T a n n y
rumors like this one.
Eric Houg
> Interesting enough that Eric Houg likes to libel people for posting false
> rumors like this one.
Let Google do the fact checking...
>> Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to
>> Doctor Demento as
>> Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on
>> all cylinders".
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/cdafb6dd5d67f371/31ac12f7f9768c55?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=not+firing+on+all+cylinders#31ac12f7f9768c55
Here is an excerpt from "Dr. Demento Overrecycling Humor?" written by David Tanny in
which he interviews himself, October 24, 2000.
"I've created some amusing songs on my computer on tape, but it seems that
_Barrett Hansen_ just keeps finding an excuse to not play the songs," says a
frustrated Tanny. "I've recorded a song about 'Pokemon', but he played Weird Al's
'Polkamon' instead. I've recorded a parody of 'C mon Ride the Train' called 'C mon
Drink The Beer,' but he played lukeski's 'Ride The Bus', and I sent in those songs
months before the other singers, who are good by the way, wrote their versions. I'm
beginning to honestly believe that Demento is _not firing on all cylinders_ anymore;
he will be going the way of the dinosaur if he doesn't shape up and fast."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/de447d2356ca7529/99e4795d73ab8497?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=not+firing+on+all+cylinders#99e4795d73ab8497
Here are the same "Barret Hansen" and "not firing on all cylinders" terms written by
Nomen Nescio, Oct 16 2007.
"I did not know this. Is this the reason why the Doc is backed into a
corner? Or _not firing on all cylinders_."
"My opinion. I think _Barrett Hansen_ understands what he needs to do
better than a music director."
>> They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&show=more&enc_user=HwzZzBcAAABQi43EZn6NypcA3dgeq9jP0h5asbwsUQAPpEV9yZy9mA&group=alt.gossip.celebrities
D a v i d T a n n y, alt.gossip.celebrities 54 posts using daveNOS...@cox.net
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=alt.gossip.celebrities&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody%40dizum.com&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=19&as_maxm=6&as_maxy=2008&safe=off
Nomen Nescio, alt.gossip.celebrities, using nob...@dizum.com
>> There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly
>> to David Tanny.
>> Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
George Orwell wrote "The Alienation of Doctor Demento", May 23 2006.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/msg/2300cccf360c00ba?hl=en&
Excerpts:
"Dr. Demento (aka _Barrett E Hansen_, Lakewood, California) at one time was
the progenitor of the forgotten funny tunes but over the years the waxing
and the waning of corporate radio has magnified the effect of greed."
Those of you that carry on the demented music legacy should be applauded (Morris
thanks for your fabulous, valuable archive list and hard work, Tanny thanks for your
tenacity Tanny, funny music, and the rest you (Krellan) know who you are!"
" "David Tanny" A long time musician and advocate of the demented genre and senior
poster to rec.music.dementia (Follow the links below)
http://www.myspace.com/davidtanny
http://www.davesfunstuff.com/ "
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/bc4e6a1b24d2a287/6bebd39c3e5b9e9f?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=DFSX+to+Sign+Off+in+Two+Weeks#6bebd39c3e5b9e9f
George Orwell wrote in response to "DFSX to Sign Off in Two Weeks", June 29 2007...
"Thank you very much for the music, madness and keeping
the spirit of deeeeeeeeeemented music alive."
The above quote is an example where these sock puppets back up David Tanny while
attacking his critics.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dementia/browse_thread/thread/bb01d6f65a1a7445/ee653787da51b4c1?hl=en#ee653787da51b4c1
bs wrote
"Not paranoid but tired of Talonians chickenshit tactics"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.stop.spamming/browse_thread/thread/ddb0a417d1381dae/a14bc8b1d07d2b37?hl=en&lnk=st&q=group%3Arec.music.dementia+author%3AAnonyma#a14bc8b1d07d2b37
Anonyma, Dec. 21 2006, wrote
"San Diego radio station 600 AM KOGO, "The Big One," is
torturing their radio audience with a Corkys Pest Control commercial"
The quote above is interesting because David Tanny writes about San Diego radio too.
>> What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia:
>> Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or
>> non-specific
>> person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant
>> of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_nescio
D a v i d T a n n y
> tons of excerpts
Sorry, Eric. You can't prove a negative. Admit it and own up to it.
You can't prove who posted under George Orwell or Nomen Neisco, right?
D a v i d T a n n y
If you do, then you're totally fooled by all of those false rumors such as this rumor below.
Maybe I'll write a song about this and make it a public domain download. ;-)
sincerely
David Tanny
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:58:49 -0700 (PDT), "Spaff.com" <sp...@spaff.com> wrote:
Eric Houg
Hey, I bet that'll rock. Maybe you'll be a featured artist on The Tone Deaf Radio
Show. "Your source for the best tone deaf music"
No wait, I take that back. My comment was too mean. I'm sorry.
Oh wait... You ARE this week's featured artist on The Tone Deaf Radio Show!
http://thetonedeafradioshow.com/?p=109
The Tone Deaf Radio Show #34, June 11, 2008
The Artist of the Week is:
David Tanny- Mutant Girl 2008 Mix
spwhe...@gmail.com
audio, but I do know that degenerating to insulting people pretty much
destroys your argument. If you people have to prove a point by calling
people childish names, then how much actual ammo do you have? And I
know that both Chris and Jeff have years of experience and a stellar
record. What is yours?
Incidentally, I find it hard to believe that DT is the anonymous
poster. He wouldn't insult the other artists.
Periwinkle
On Jun 19, 1:25 am, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> Chris/Power Salad farted out loud through his red plump lips:
>
> >Jacqueline is done with this conversation.
>
> I'm with Jacueline on this one and I'll revert to ad hominen attacks
> too. She's right. Jeff Morris doesn't list his equipment he's just
> playing with a bunch of tonka toys and living a world of delusions. See
> what deeeeement music will do to you matty. So Chris/Power Salad, pig
> man, I'll pour salt on the wounds I W I L L N O T subscribe to the
> Demento Society membership packages because your music is neither funny
> and sounds like shit...cream puff. Nor will I support the music
> because of the crappy production values. Maybe Barrett Hansen
> should re-think about the renegades he affiliates himself with. Maybe us
> disgruntled deementites should NOW write the good old doc by snail email
> and tell him. Here ya go
> folks, so hi
> <snipped for space>
D a v i d T a n n y
>I'm behind on reading this thread. I know nothing about mastering or
>audio, but I do know that degenerating to insulting people pretty much
>destroys your argument. If you people have to prove a point by calling
>people childish names, then how much actual ammo do you have? And I
>know that both Chris and Jeff have years of experience and a stellar
>record. What is yours?
>
>Incidentally, I find it hard to believe that DT is the anonymous
>poster. He wouldn't insult the other artists.
>Periwinkle
I always respected Jeff Morris. I do specialize in mastering, but it's
a private matter. ;-)
I think that Worm Quatet is more than capable of insulting
another music artist such as Marc Gunn. Though I don't like
his song, he has a right to create whatever he wants. I don't
get it.
D a v i d T a n n y
> I think that Worm Quatet is more than capable of insulting
>another music artist such as Marc Gunn. Though I don't like
>his song, he has a right to create whatever he wants. I don't
>get it.
Let's clarify this post. None of those posts came from Tim Crist.
I'm not suggesting in any way that they're connected.
Let's be fair about this. I'm sorry about that post.
Check out Worm Quartet's song "G-ddammit Marc Gunn,
Shut Up About Your Cat" on the Fump here
http://www.thefump.com/fump.php?id=1065
That's what I was referring to.
Sorry
Tim Ryan
At 34 days later, I would say it is a little overdue.
-Tim
"Mysterious Mose" <webm...@drdemento.com> wrote ...
> Fellow Dementians & Dementites,
>
> Yes, it's finally here! The new 2008 Demento Society membership
> package can now be ordered at drdemento.com
>
...
> Enjoy!
> MM
Gary Flinn
credit card bill I got earlier this week.
-Ghastly Gary sez STAY
DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Tim Ryan" <TimRyanA...@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:JMGdnRqD1dCCJ-LV...@comcast.com...
peterpuck9
> I knew that it would take awhile because the order did not appear on the
> credit card bill I got earlier this week.
>
> -Ghastly Gary sez STAY
> DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> news:JMGdnRqD1dCCJ-LV...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> >I ordered this that day (June 13) and got a confirmation email.
> > At 34 days later, I would say it is a little overdue.
>
> > -Tim
>
> >> Fellow Dementians & Dementites,
>
> >> Yes, it's finally here! The new 2008 Demento Society membership
> >> package can now be ordered at drdemento.com
>
> > ...
> >> Enjoy!
>
> - Show quoted text -
From past experience, it usually takes 6-8 weeks.
Wayne S Garmil
Tim Ryan <TimRyanA...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>I ordered this that day (June 13) and got a confirmation email.
>At 34 days later, I would say it is a little overdue.
I ordered when it first became available, and did not get mine in the
mail until yesterday. But I knew that I was essentially pre-ordering
at that time.
Wayne
--
_ __ _ __ | I see the girls walk by dressed in
' ) / // / / ) / | their summer clothes; I have to turn
/ / / o // __/ / __. __ __/ | my head until my darkness goes...
(_(_/ <_</_(_/ (__/ (_/|_/ (_(_/_ | -Rolling Stones, "Paint It Black"
Tim Ryan
The envelope arrived today, the CD did not.
Okay, all the peripheral material was in the envelope, but the CD was
missing.
Now this may be of interest to the group, as the package has nothing
identifiying it as a Demento Society package, the envelope was not
ripped open, it looks like the glue gave easily, maybe to postal
equipment, maybe due to it being weak glue.
Anyway, can I get another copy of the CD please?
-Tim
(cc'd to MM)
"Tim Ryan" <> wrote ...
> I ordered this that day (June 13) and got a confirmation email.
> At 34 days later, I would say it is a little overdue.
>
> -Tim
>
> "Mysterious Mose" <> wrote ...
Mysterious Mose
I don't know why you wouldn't have received the CD, but I cannot
help you with this problem. I only work on the web site and do not
have anything to do with orders for physical product. Please contact
service at drdemento.com.
MM
Tim Ryan
arrived last Friday or Saturday. dementohelper2 sent an email to let me
know it was coming.
Thanks for quick turn-around, you'all.
-Tim
"Tim Ryan" <> wrote ...