Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
Although I was introduced to this piece OF MUSIC when I saw the film
FANTASIA (like many of us), which uses the Stokowski transcription, I grew
up listening to many, many versions of the Rimsky-Korsakov arrangement... I
realize there are those here who would argue that the original Mussorgsky
version (?) is the only one that should be considered.
That being said, I don't care for the original's structure... I find it a
bit "muddled"... I do like the form of RK's arrangement... for me it is more
dramatic... the narrative flows.
But recently, I have begun to have a preference for the Stokowski
transcription... I think here, Stokowski surpassed Rimsky-Korsakov... (in my
humble opinion)... it is a monstrously grotesque story that Stokowski tells
us here... I hear every growl and shriek and gurgle from the mountain-top in
this arrangement... it is an orgy of instrumental inspiration in his
orchestration...
I only know of 3 recordings of the Stokowski transcription... one conducted
by E Kunzel on Telarc, a new recording conducted by O Knussen on DG... but
the one I very much like is The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra conducted by
James Sedares (Koch 3-7344-2 H12)... an excellent recording... sound and
performance.
Yes...?
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
I love the Stoky version, but the Rene Leibowitz arrangement is quite
something as well.
dg
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Is the Rene Leibowitz available on CD?
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
I have one recording each of the R-K and Stoky orchestrations. The former
is by Mackerras and the Royal Liverpool PO, the latter by Bamert and the
BBC Philharmonic.
My preference, ever so slight, is for the R-K version. Some of the Stoky
seems just a bit "much."
-- Bill McC.
If anyone has a libretto to this opera, perhaps they can explain the
relation of the Bare Mountain music to the plot. It wasn't clear from
the summary enclosed with the above CD version.
See ya
Steve
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> Is the Rene Leibowitz available on CD?
http://www.hmv.co.jp/Product/Detail.asp?sku=474452
A great recording.
> Considering that it is getting close to All Hallows Eve... I thought a
> little discussion of "demonic" music might be appropriate... SO...
>
> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
Yuri Ahronovich, who conducted it "in context" in a _Sorochinsky Fair_
recording available on Melodiya-Angel many years ago.
By the way, what has happened to your "Peace" signoff?
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Here is an article discussing the history of "Night on Bare Mountain"
and its connection to "Sorochintsy Fair":
http://www.laphil.org/resources/piece_detail.cfm?id=692
It appears to have its genesis in an abandoned idea for an opera
(1860) on Gogol's "St. John's Night", then was realized as a tone poem
(1867). It was rejected harshly by Balakirev and never performed
during the composer's lifetime. A choral version for an abandoned
opera Mlada (1872) followed; then the choral version was to serve as
an intermezzo in Sorochintsy Fair (also based on a Gogol short story).
Mussorgsky died of alcoholism (1881) without finishing Sorochintsy
Fair. Rimsky-Korsakov reworked it extensively (1886), and the two
versions that are now performed are the well-known R-K version and the
increasingly-popular 1867 Mussorgsky version. So far as I know, the
choral version has not been recorded and is not performed, though I
would like to hear about it if it is.
Gogol's "St. John's Night" and "Sorochintsy Fair" are in his
short-story collection "Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka", which was
his first commercial success. They have been overshadowed by his
"Petersburg Tales" and so are somewhat harder to find in English
translation.
--
Chris Green
Thanks for the referral to this recording Sam... I just finished listening
to it and I found it very interesting. Though I had not the slightest idea
what is going on, just listening to the "pure" music piqued my interest in
the opera... I will investigate it further. Hopefully, somewhere I will find
a libretto and find out the connection Night on Bare Mountain has to the
plot of Sorochinsky Fair.
Peace
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
...here it is...
Peace
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
Anything available in English...?
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
Abbado recorded this version:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000029OB/qid=1097485366/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-5029158-6434449
He also recorded the original orchestral version twice, once for RCA with
the LSO and once for DG with the BP. The latter version is more lyrical, but
also a little less concentrated. There is a particularly good recording of
the original orchestral version by the Cleveland Orchestra/Dohnanyi (Decca)
which is very concentrated and dramatic. I also have the Stokowski version
but the one I like best is the original orchestral version by MM himself.
The choral version which served as the basis for NRK's version is very
interesting and also a little bit funny. The chorus has a "demoniac" text,
tsap-tsap-tsap...
Regards,
Chuck Klaus
which unfortunately sounds precisely like Besame Mucho.
J
> Although I was introduced to this piece OF MUSIC when I saw the film
> FANTASIA (like many of us), which uses the Stokowski transcription, I grew
> up listening to many, many versions of the Rimsky-Korsakov arrangement... I
> realize there are those here who would argue that the original Mussorgsky
> version (?) is the only one that should be considered.
The Stokowski version isn't a transcription, but a mixture of Mussorgsky and and
the Rimsky-Korsakov "toning down" of the original's (for then) strange
harmonies.
Clearly, the "preferred" version would be a good performance of the original.
But I don't know any to recommend.
There's nothing wrong with the Fantasia version, other than dated sound. My
favorite modern recording is (yes!) the Stokowski on London Phase-4. (TtBoMK,
it's never been issued on CD. I'm surprised the Phase-4 catalog hasn't been
mined for SACD surround recordings. It has some really great stuff, including
Bernard Herrmann conducting excerpts from his film scores. You should hear these
in surround.) Not only is it an exciting performance, but at the end Stokowski
shows his unique (I use the word deliberately) ability to slow the music down to
a near dead-stop, without it falling apart.
While you're at the record store, look for Martinon's performance of
Saint-Saen's "Danse Macabre" (Decca 448-571). The climax of the piece, like the
end of the same composer's Third Symphony, has this "collapsing wave" effect
that Martinon gets just right. A terrific performance.
> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
>
> That being said, I don't care for the original's structure... I find it a
> bit "muddled"... I do like the form of RK's arrangement... for me it is more
> dramatic... the narrative flows.
There are kind of two originals - the one with chorus and baritone
(recorded by Abbado), which is actually closer in content to the RK
'arrangement' and Mussorgsky's original solely orchestral version,
complete with loud ending and leaving out a lot of material that RK
incorporated, such as the brass fanfare idea (q-e-e-q-q q-q-q.-e
q-t-t-t-q-q q-q-e-e-e-e, where q=quarter, e=eighth, t=triplet eighth)
as well as the quiet ending. Most people think RK tacked the clarinet
solo and quite ending on, but that material is all present in the
choral version. I'm not too well-versed on the history of RK's
arrangment, but it seems pretty obvious he worked from the choral
version, not Mussorgsky's purely orchestral score.
I think all three versions are interesting, but in the end prefer the
RK arrangement. The choral Mussorgsky is very overwraught to me, and
the purely orchestra original never has any repose (though it is very
very thrilling if you're in the mood for a 10 minute onslaught). The
orchestral original is *extremely* difficult and flashily
orchestrated, though, and I do listen to it from time to time. I'm
not a fan of the Stokowski arrangement, but the recent Cleveland
O/Knussen disc on DG is as exciting, well-played and well-recorded as
it gets.
Favorite recordings of the others:
RK version: Svetlanov on MCA (Mussorgsky 150th Anniversary disc);
Steinberg/Pittsburgh; Dallas/Mata (I think the highly-touted Ormandy
recording is pretty soft-edged, though the ending is beautifully done;
Sinopoli/NYPO offer a wonderful Pictures, but the accompanying NOBM is
a bit sleepy).
Mussorgsky orchestral version: Cleveland/Dohnanyi (apparently
Leibowitz recorded this but I've never heard it); Abbado/RCA has a
horribly annoying oboe player.
Choral: I think it's only been recorded by Abbado on Sony, so...Abbado
(it sounds as good as it probably ever will).
FWIW, there's a Naxos CD that contains both the original orchestral
version and the RK arrangement for side-by-side listening pleasure.
> I only know of 3 recordings of the Stokowski transcription... one conducted
> by E Kunzel on Telarc, a new recording conducted by O Knussen on DG... but
> the one I very much like is The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra conducted by
> James Sedares (Koch 3-7344-2 H12)... an excellent recording... sound and
> performance.
There's also the BBC/Bamert on Chandos and, of course, Stokowski
himself. I can't remember off the top of my head if the Boston
Pops/Fiedler recording is of the Stokowski or not (it's included on
some "Tribute to Disney" recordings so might be).
Cheers,
Marcus Maroney
The inclusion of the Bare Mountain music into "Fair at Sorochintsy" was
not in Musorgsky's scenario of the opera at first; he decided to put it
in later as an intermezzo. Gogol's original story doesn't have a
counterpart to it, and Cesar Cui in his (the first) completion of the
opera decided not to follow M.'s belated wishes and excluded the Bare
Mountain music. (Btw, this version of the opera premiered in Oct. 13,
1917, overshadowed later that month by the Bolshevik coup.)
--
Lyle K. Neff -- mailto:ln...@udel.edu
http://copland.udel.edu/~lneff
The same kind of "demonic" language is used in the third act of
Rimsky-Korsakov's opera-ballet "Mlada." This act, called "Night on Mt.
Triglav", is the part of the opera for which Musorgsky had adapted the
"Bare Mountain" music in the 1872 collaborative version of "Mlada."
lkn
> Anything available in English...?
There is an English option on the site; once you click it most of what
you see will be in English.
> The Stokowski version isn't a transcription, but a mixture of Mussorgsky and
> and the Rimsky-Korsakov "toning down" of the original's (for then) strange
> harmonies.
That's what Stoki said about it, but if you listen to it, it's all
Stokowski... lots of amazingly cinematic effects.
> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
Abbado (RCA)...in the *true* Mussorgsky score, and not that shit
Rimsky...
Melmoth - ©
The Dohnanyi/Cleveland recording(which I second as a terrific
performance) is actually on Teldec not Decca as stated. I got mine
used on Amazon very cheaply.It also has a fine and underated
"Pictures" in the Ravel arrangement.
WHY?
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
I think that is why I prefer the Stokowski arrangement... BECAUSE it is
"just a bit much"... it is certainly wilder than the RK version... lots of
playing the violins in peculiar ways... I don't know the technical terms...
lots of plucking and playing the strings with the wooden part of the bow...
it creates (for me) a truly demonic, grotesque and primitive "scene"... in
the mind's ear.
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
If you need the technical terms, they're pizzicato and col legno,
respectively.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Probably the first person (unless others know better) to record the
1867 version was Sir Adrian Boult on a Readers Digest LP (yes, he
really knew his Slavics).
Rimsky dropped the snare drum, among other things, from the 1867 MM
score and so you miss the impact of it in the opening in which,
percussion wise, the doubling of notes for percussion in Rimsky's
version is given to the Bass Drum instead of the snare. The snare
drum actually makes more sense in the opening because the nature of
the instrument means no sound "kill" factor is necessary. To play
Rimsky's version you need to play with one knee jammed against the non
playing head of the Bass Drum to kill the sound of the playing head
because it requires two mallets and is so fast that there is no chance
of a manual "kill".
No probs with a snare drum, of course. It does not linger on that
long.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Thank you Peter.
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
> Considering that it is getting close to All Hallows Eve... I thought a
> little discussion of "demonic" music might be appropriate... SO...
>
> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
>
> Although I was introduced to this piece OF MUSIC when I saw the film
> FANTASIA (like many of us), which uses the Stokowski transcription, I grew
> up listening to many, many versions of the Rimsky-Korsakov arrangement... I
> realize there are those here who would argue that the original Mussorgsky
> version (?) is the only one that should be considered.
>
> That being said, I don't care for the original's structure... I find it a
> bit "muddled"... I do like the form of RK's arrangement... for me it is more
> dramatic... the narrative flows.
>
> But recently, I have begun to have a preference for the Stokowski
> transcription... I think here, Stokowski surpassed Rimsky-Korsakov... (in my
> humble opinion)... it is a monstrously grotesque story that Stokowski tells
> us here... I hear every growl and shriek and gurgle from the mountain-top in
> this arrangement... it is an orgy of instrumental inspiration in his
> orchestration...
>
> I only know of 3 recordings of the Stokowski transcription... one conducted
> by E Kunzel on Telarc, a new recording conducted by O Knussen on DG... but
> the one I very much like is The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra conducted by
> James Sedares (Koch 3-7344-2 H12)... an excellent recording... sound and
> performance.
>
> Yes...?
>
>
> Dave www.Shemakhan.com
>
>
I much prefer Mussorgsky's original version as played by Abbado and the LSO
on RCA. I think R-K really ruined this piece when he "fixed" it.
Don
I'll have to listen to the Coates again--it is probably very good but I don't
remember it. Golovanov, however, is unforgettable. Scary as hell.
One of my favorites is Barenboim/CSO on DG--in part because of the visceral, in
your face sound and virtuosity, and recently I heard again an impressive Night
with Sinopoli/NYPO on the radio--I'll have to revisit that on CD as well.
--Jeff
"JRsnfld" <jrs...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20041011221152...@mb-m28.aol.com...
Mussorgsky died of alcoholism without finishing ANY of his operas except Boris.
-david gable
Fine, but what is it a recording of, exactly? (That is, what is "the Leibowitz
arrangement"?)
-david gable
>>> Which version of NIGHT ON BARE MOUNTAIN do you prefer???
>
> Do you mean Mussorgsky's or Rimsky's?
Wasn't there also a version by Ippolotov-Ivanov, or am I confusing this
with something else (a scene from _Boris_ that R-K didn't do, perhaps)?
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An idea he got from Berlioz, I've always suspected (or was the idea in his
source?). Berlioz has the demons in hell singing an invented demonic language
in Damnation.
-david gable
BPO/Claudio Abbado, on DG
-Rajeev
> In article <20041013083511...@mb-m17.aol.com>,
> And if you have any further questions about Mussorgsky, take a look at his
> photograph in the Petit Larousse.
You mean his nose?
Quite so. Sorochintsy Fair, however, was the opera in which Night on
Bare Mountain was to have served as an intermezzo.
--
Chris Green
> Fine, but what is it a recording of, exactly? (That is, what is "the
> Leibowitz arrangement"?)
Well, it's Leibowitz's own arrangement of Night on Bald Mountain, even
wilder than Stoky's. The wind machine sounds great! The Pictures is
Ravel's version, one of the best.
dg
> And if you have any further questions about Mussorgsky, take a look at his
> photograph in the Petit Larousse.
And that photo was taken before he started work on any of his operas.
Lena
There was a point where M had been "missing" for days (three I think) and
Rimsky, Borodin and Cui and someone else I cannot remember went on a search
party, eventually locating him unconscious
in a bar. They carried him home - what a scene that must have been but with a
sad end of course.
To those who may not have come across it, the book is also noteworthy for
Rimsky's hilarious account of dinner with the Borodin family, eventually served
at around midnight and with the guests having to fight off 20 plus cats for the
food (no commercial cat food in those days). In his house there were complete
strangers asleep in different rooms:):)
Before acquiring the book many years ago I had no idea that Borodin was such a
glorious eccentric but given that he was a chemist-composer I suppose I should
have guessed it before.
I notice on abebooks there is a copy of My Musical Life for $6. For anyone
interested in the composers mentioned that is a bargain with so many anecdotes
and glimpses of Russian musical life of that time. Very famous names come and
go. It is a very down to earth account of that period and one of those books
which qualifies as being hard to put down.
I agree... I have a copy that I have read twice, and will read again.
Dave www.Shemakhan.com
If I remember correctly, the liner notes for the DG Abbado mention
that Mussorgsky was originally going to write the piece for piano and
orchestra. Anyone else heard or read this? However true it may or
may not be, a Mussorgsky version of Liszt's Totantanz seems pretty
tempting stuff.
jy