Octopus's Garden and Country Song
iarwain
sounds quite a bit like Octopus's Garden. Does anyone know what it
is? I used to know but now I can't remember. I THINK it came after
Octopus's Garden, which means the country song was influenced by Ringo
rather than vice versa.
Jeff
I remember the song too..but forget the name of it and the artist.
Yes, it came way after "Garden".....about 10-15 years ago?
Jeff
iarwain
I've been trying to Google this but I can't find a reference. For
some reason I'm coming up with the name Ronnie Milsap, but I don't
trust my memory about things like this at all. This may be the wrong
place to ask, I might have better luck on a counrty newsgroup. I know
Ringo liked country music, maybe the two songs had a common ancestor?
I've always loved the song Octopus's Garden, by the way. Nice piece
of rock as well as a good song for kids, in the same vein as Yellow
Submarine (love that one too). I remember seeing the Muppets perform
Octopus's Garden on Sesame Street years ago. Okay, decades.
Jeff
Someone will remember the name of the song and artist, if we can
keep this thread going long enough.
Jeff
Just resend the post like I'm doing, to keep it going. :-)
Char1ie
Wow! you kept it going for another two minutes. You must be some kind
of genius. Please explain to us "not so bright" people how you did
this.
Jeff
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT), Jeff
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I'll do it again. :-)
Jeff
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And, you helped by posting in this thread, 4 hours after I did. Thank
you.
Jeff
Okay, I checked google too but came up with nothing but this funny
article, about what Beatles songs are underrated, as if they are
speaking for the world of course, when they have absolutely
no idea how the rest of the world thinks. It's just merely "their
opinion". Check out how they (whoever it is) saying the album
is called "Rubble Soul" :-)
http://musicouch.com/musicouching/the-six-most-underappreciated-beatles-songs/
Jeff
iarwain
Sounds like it would have made a good joke on the Flintstones.
I posted the question in a few country newsgroups, but the weren't
very populated so I'm skeptical about getting an answer. If someone
doesn't come up with it in the next few days I will likely register on
some web-based message board and see if I can get an answer, those get
more users than Usenet these days.
Jeff
Dang, I found a song I was was looking for the past 50 years, by
humming the tune in youtube...recently, so this shouldn't be
any problem, unless you have no idea how the tune or some
of the lyrics go? I have no idea, but I suppose I could just ask
the general question, and may get lucky?
Jeff
friarpark
I will be no help on the song or artist, but I do recall hearing this in
a convenience store I was delivering milk to in the late 70's. I recall
telling the owner that The Beatles should sue the artist, the opening at
least was that similar.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
This?
"Hypothetically"
(Gary Burr/Andrew Gold)
Tyler Wilkinson, lead vocal
Amanda: "Gary Burr gave a tape of this song to our producers and they
brought it to us. They said, 'It's kind of weird, but we love it.' So
we popped it into our CD player and we flipped out the very first time
we heard it.
It is so Beatle-esque, so we came up with an arrangement that sounds
like the early Beatle days, kind of like 'Octopus's Garden.' The funny
thing is that the drummer that played the session, Shannon Forrest, is
an incredible drummer. He was playing perfect time, and we had to say,
'No, you've got to lay it back more, it's got to be a little more
raggedy. You have to play like Ringo!'"
Tyler: "This is probably my favorite on the album. The first time we
heard it, I thought, 'Man, this is so cool. It's weird, but it's so
cool. And it's so Beatles...we have to do it!'"
Steve: "I didn't even get to the hook...I was about three lines in and
looked at the kids and said, 'Oh yeah. We have to cut this.' It just
grabbed hold of me."
iarwain
On My Mind Again" by Ronnie Milsap (can't believe I actually got that
part right). Here's a YouTube link for the curious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
I think the writer may have been aware of the similarities because he
makes some seaside type references in the lyrics: "I came out of my
shell" and "building castles in the sand". Kind of funny.
Thanks to everybody who tried to help.
As for humming on YouTube, there's a tune to an old ad from the 60s or
70s I've been trying to remember forever, maybe I could try that on
there. NO ONE remembers what it's from, I think it may have been a
cigarette ad. The lyrics went:
"La la la la, la la la la. La la la la la la la la, la la la la la,
la la"
iarwain
JohnBL
JohnBL
Try that again...
I recognized the lyrics immediately! Benson & Hedges 100's. See:
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2044295/Benson_Hedges_100s_Dis_advantages_1991
John L
iarwain
OMG, that is it! You cannot imagine how many times I have sung this
to people trying to get them to recognize it, and no one has ever even
had a glimmer of what I was talking about. Yet here I make a
throwaway comment about it and you recognize it right away. When you
said that you recognized the lyrics immediately I thought you were
making a joke. Seriously, I have been trying to figure this out for
years. I am in your gratitude, sir.
Jeff
> On My Mind Again" by Ronnie Milsap (can't believe I actually got that
> part right). Here's a YouTube link for the curious:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
>
> I think the writer may have been aware of the similarities because he
> makes some seaside type references in the lyrics: "I came out of my
> shell" and "building castles in the sand". Kind of funny.
>
> Thanks to everybody who tried to help.
>
Wow, 1979. I was way off regarding it's release. I'm surprised there
wasn't a lawsuit over this.
Jeff
iarwain
Well, time passes faster when you get older :)
It really is impossible to hear this and not think of Octopus's
Garden, isn't it?
lyricalnanoha
Definitely.
-uso.
JohnBL
If you hadn't said that it was a _cigarette_ ad, I might not have
guessed it. Cigarettes + la-la's, I thought Benson & Hedges right
away.
Amazing the commercial jingles I remember from when I was a kid.
Nowadays, all I can remember are the Pep Boys theme (hey, it rocks!)
and "Gimmie Back dat Filet-o-Fish."
John L
Jeff
Yep, and I can't believe he got by with this. It's almost
the same tune, though I like it.
Jeff
83LowRider
"JohnBL" wrote
> and "Gimmie Back dat Filet-o-Fish."
loved that commercial...!
RichL
> Oh, I forgot to add, the song was released in 1979,
Yeah I noticed that (I looked it up).
Total rip of "Octopus" in my opinion.
paramucho
<iarw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, I forgot to add, the song was released in 1979,
The intro lick reminds me more of "Mama's Little Girl".
As to a lawsuit, no-one is gonna win a case around a descending bass
line linking up the doowop chords {C Am F G}.
Ian
AllaBest
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:57:52 -0700 (PDT), iarwain
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> >Oh, I forgot to add, the song was released in 1979,
>
> The intro lick reminds me more of "Mama's Little Girl".
>
> As to a lawsuit, no-one is gonna win a case around a descending bass
> line linking up the doowop chords {C Am F G}.
>
> Ian
How about a lawsuit for a song whose MELODY LINE initially is exactly
like another song by The Beatles for goodness sake?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
I guess Ronnie Milsap could claim that he was blind and couldn't see
the sheet music adequately and get the the jurors sympathy vote.
RichL
A chord sequence alone rarely forms the basis for a copyright
infringement. However, a melody is a different story, and this one cops
just about as much melody as "My Sweet Lord" did of "He's So Fine".
Phred
> Can anybody help me out on this? I know there is a country song that
> sounds quite a bit like Octopus's Garden. Does anyone know what it
> is? I used to know but now I can't remember. I THINK it came after
> Octopus's Garden, which means the country song was influenced by Ringo
> rather than vice versa.
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Just found this thread. Back then, I was on air doing radio (country
format) news in the morning for three hours then breaking before going
down to the sister TV station from noon till six doing news there.
I remember the song. It was Ronnie Milsap for sure. Almost a direct
rip of Octopus's Garden. Amazing there wasn't a lawsuit, especially
in light of My Sweet Lord (considering George's involvement in OG).
iarwain
I still wonder if maybe there was a common ancestor to this song.
Like an older country song that Ringo heard and copped, and whoever
wrote the Milsap song did too. Could explain why RIngo never sued.
Or maybe he's too laid back a guy to sue. Or maybe he felt George
wrote half of it anyway, and didn't want to sue. Does Ringo own his
own Beatle songs (Don't Pass Me By and Octopus's Garden), or were they
sold to Michael Jackson with the rest?
Regarding the doo-wop progression, it's interesting that the only song
that immediately comes to my mind at least when hearing this is
Octopus's Garden, and not some other doo-wop tune.
AllaBest
Ripping a bit of melody in rock has always been taboo, but it has been
a different story for country songs. I am hard pressed to think of
any examples at this particular moment, but it use to rival me
terribly to hear how country would borrow melody from other songs
without (it seems) a second thought.
RichL
>> Amazing there wasn't a lawsuit, especially in light of My Sweet Lord
>
> I still wonder if maybe there was a common ancestor to this song.
> Like an older country song that Ringo heard and copped, and whoever
> wrote the Milsap song did too. Could explain why RIngo never sued.
> Or maybe he's too laid back a guy to sue. Or maybe he felt George
> wrote half of it anyway, and didn't want to sue. Does Ringo own his
> own Beatle songs (Don't Pass Me By and Octopus's Garden), or were they
> sold to Michael Jackson with the rest?
Both songs are part of the Northern Songs catalog and were sold with the
others.
Revenge of Sith
> Both songs are part of the Northern Songs catalog and were sold with the others.
I remember seeing a different publishing company's name on the CD's.
RichL
It's possible I'm wrong. I'm going by web sites that have the lyrics;
they say copyright Northern Songs.
Will Dockery
> On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I remember the song too..but forget the name of it and the artist.
>
> > I've been trying to Google this but I can't find a reference. For
> > some reason I'm coming up with the name Ronnie Milsap, but I don't
> > trust my memory about things like this at all. This may be the wrong
> > place to ask, I might have better luck on a counrty newsgroup. I know
> > Ringo liked country music, maybe the two songs had a common ancestor?
>
> > I've always loved the song Octopus's Garden, by the way. Nice piece
> > of rock as well as a good song for kids, in the same vein as Yellow
> > Submarine (love that one too). I remember seeing the Muppets perform
> > Octopus's Garden on Sesame Street years ago. Okay, decades.
>
> Someone will remember the name of the song and artist, if we can
> keep this thread going long enough.
I remember this being asked here on this newsgroup a few years back,
and I do think the name of the other song was given, by somebody.
Seems like those posts should be in the Google Groups/Usenet
archives...
--
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Will Dockery
> Can anybody help me out on this? I know there is a country song that
> sounds quite a bit like Octopus's Garden. Does anyone know what it
> is? I used to know but now I can't remember. I THINK it came after
> Octopus's Garden, which means the country song was influenced by Ringo
> rather than vice versa.
Yes! Here it is:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/5f73a5bfb10740c0?hl=en
cgott wrote:
> About 10-15 years ago I remember hearing a country song that sounded
> almost identical to "Octopus's Garden", even down to the steel guitar
> riff. Does anyone remember this song, and why the artist or writer
> wouldn't be sued for plagiarism?
A Google search turns up one comment (another one is no longer
online)
which compares OG to Ronnie Milsap's "Back On My Mind Again" ...
"At first, when I started listening to Back On My Mind Again, the
main
verses almost sounds like The Beatles' Octopus' Garden, yet this song
also has a resemblance to Randy Travis' Forever and Amen."
http://www.wsvnradio.net/archives/Year11/milsapgr.htm
Here it is on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
Definitely has the sound, at least the 30 seconds I've listened to, so
far.
Will Dockery
>
> I got an answer right away in a country newsgroup. It's called "Back
> On My Mind Again" by Ronnie Milsap (can't believe I actually got that
> part right). Here's a YouTube link for the curious:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
>
> I think the writer may have been aware of the similarities because he
> makes some seaside type references in the lyrics: "I came out of my
> shell" and "building castles in the sand". Kind of funny.
>
> Thanks to everybody who tried to help.
Ah... I suppose I should have just read the rest of this thread...
> As for humming on YouTube, there's a tune to an old ad from the 60s or
> 70s I've been trying to remember forever, maybe I could try that on
> there. NO ONE remembers what it's from, I think it may have been a
> cigarette ad. The lyrics went:
> "La la la la, la la la la. La la la la la la la la, la la la la la,
> la la"
That seems to be Bob Dylan's "Wigwam" from the Self Portrait album.
paramucho
<bip...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On Sep 20, 6:32�am, paramu...@hotmail.com (paramucho) wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:57:52 -0700 (PDT), iarwain
>>
>> <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Oh, I forgot to add, the song was released in 1979,
>>
>> The intro lick reminds me more of "Mama's Little Girl".
>>
>> As to a lawsuit, no-one is gonna win a case around a descending bass
>> line linking up the doowop chords {C Am F G}.
>>
>> Ian
>
>How about a lawsuit for a song whose MELODY LINE initially is exactly
>like another song by The Beatles for goodness sake?
<snip>
There were thousands of songs written on this chord sequence, and many
of them use the strategy of "Octopus's Garden", i.e. descending a
third for each phraze. "Blue Moon" is one example. Thus, in any court
case it would be pretty easy for the defence to come up with a prior
example of the strategy.
In terms of the exact melody, it's only the first phraze which is an
exact match. The second phraze begins on the same note, but is a
slightly different melody.
Ian
Jeff
Right Ian. The only difference is that most of those songs were
written
in the key of C in the 50's. I had not even thought about this, until
I read your post. Another example of the chord sequence would be
"Oh Donna"
Jeff
AllaBest
If you enlarge the picture here on Ebay of the Milsap single you can
see that it was not a Northern Song. I can't quite make out the
publisher, but it seems to an ASCAP song.
"Octopus's Garden" on this Ebay link of a single shows that it is a
Maclen Song.
debia...@yahoo.com
> Can anybody help me out on this? I know there is a country song that
> sounds quite a bit like Octopus's Garden. Does anyone know what it
> is? I used to know but now I can't remember. I THINK it came after
> Octopus's Garden, which means the country song was influenced by Ringo
> rather than vice versa.
emt...@gmail.com
april...@gmail.com
> Can anybody help me out on this? I know there is a country song that
> sounds quite a bit like Octopus's Garden. Does anyone know what it
> is? I used to know but now I can't remember. I THINK it came after
> Octopus's Garden, which means the country song was influenced by Ringo
> rather than vice versa.
zippl...@gmail.com
The Rifleman. Anyway, I can’t remember what show (s) it was that I watched. Probably more than one show.
It suddenly occurred to me that part of the music I was listening to had the same melody in the show as the
song that Waylon Jennings sings....”Amanda”. Don’t know if he wrote the song, or if one melody was copied
after the other?
val...@att.net
timb0man
> I got an answer right away in a country newsgroup. It's called "Back
> part right). Here's a YouTube link for the curious:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_lq4wwOu8
> I think the writer may have been aware of the similarities because he
> makes some seaside type references in the lyrics: "I came out of my
> shell" and "building castles in the sand". Kind of funny.
> Thanks to everybody who tried to help.
RJKe...@yahoo.com
> The country song that sounds like Beatle’s Octopus’Garden is Ronny Millsap’s Back On My Mind Again written in ‘78. Beatles song written in ‘69.