GIANTCO PRINCE 125 WON’T START
andy1975
went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won’t start
even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
problem please? :(
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Geyser
> Hi i have a giantco prince 125 that is just under three years old, I
> went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
> out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
> then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
> and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won’t start
> even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
> problem please? :(
Giantco? I never heard of that brand. Look for melamine contamination.
.
> Hi i have a giantco prince 125 that is just under three years old, I
> went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
> out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
> then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
> and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won’t start
> even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
> problem please? :(
The Giantco Prince 125 has a Chinese copy of a Honda CG125 engine.
The carburetor is a simple slide valve type that won't meet smog
requirements, so they aren't legal for street use on this side of the
pond.
Stripping down the carb is easy, you just unbolt it and disconnect the
fuel hose and pull it away from the engine.
You don't need to disconnect the throttle cable, just let the
carburetor hang of the side of the motorbike, turn it over and remove
the four screws holding the float bowl on.
Then you can spray a clear aerosol carburetor cleaner into the idle
jet (the smaller one of the two jets) and into the main jet.
Also, check to see if the float valve is free to move. You can spray
carb cleaner around the float valve to free it up.
One simple thing to try before disassembling the carburetor for
cleaning is to turn the idle speed knob all the way down so the engine
has to suck harder to get fuel through the idle jet.
Then try to kick start it and see if that helps.
The other possibility is that your valve clearances may have tightened
up to the point of non-existance.
If you don't have any valve clearance, you might not have any
compression because one valve is slightly stuck open.
The Older Gentleman
> Hi i have a giantco prince 125 that is just under three years old, I
> went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
> out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
> then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
> and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won't start
> even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
> problem please? :(
Throw it away and next time don't buy some cheap Chinese piece of mail
order shit.
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The Older Gentleman
> The other possibility is that your valve clearances may have tightened
> up to the point of non-existance.
In three weeks and a few miles? Wow.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> . <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The other possibility is that your valve clearances may have tightened
> > up to the point of non-existance.
>
> In three weeks and a few miles? Wow.
He's had the motorbike for three YEARS, Panty Prancer.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Throw it away and next time don't buy some cheap Chinese piece of mail
> order shit.
Drop it off in East Surrey and The Old Gasbag will collect it and
advertise it on ebay...
Rick Cortese
> Hi i have a giantco prince 125 that is just under three years old, I
> went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
> out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
> then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
> and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won’t start
> even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
> problem please? :(
>
If it is broke/broke, I think you can buy a whole new engine assembly
for ~$600 plus shipping.
Just google "chinese scooter parts" or GY6 for the engine.
I'm tempted to say things like check the compression and timing but you
either already figured that out or wouldn't know what I am talking
about. I believe that may have an overhead cam so there is a good chance
the cam chain went south and your valves are bent.
Rick
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 22, 12:29?am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
So he has. Still unlikely that it's the valve clearances. In my
experience, bikes don't just 'stop' because of duff clearances.
As you haven't ridden bikes for a few decades, of course, you may not
know this.
The Older Gentleman
> I believe that may have an overhead cam so there is a good chance
> the cam chain went south and your valves are bent.
OHV not OHC.
It's just a POS cheapo Honda copy engine. Could be anything, really....
Except the valve clearances.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> As you haven't ridden bikes for a few decades, of course, you may not
> know this.
I rode one of my sportbikes nearly a hundred miles today, how far did
*you* ride?
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 22, 5:15?pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> > As you haven't ridden bikes for a few decades, of course, you may not
> > know this.
>
> I rode one of my sportbikes nearly a hundred miles today,
Oh, whoopies.
>how far did
> *you* ride?
As I've pointed out elsewhere, I'm currently in China, so, erm, what was
the point in asking?
Mark Olson
> As I've pointed out elsewhere, I'm currently in China, so, erm, what was
> the point in asking?
Why don't you make yourself useful and pick up a spare
engine for the OP's Giantco Prince 125 while you're there?
The ultimate UR, could make a magazine article out of it...
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> As I've pointed out elsewhere, I'm currently in China, so, erm, what was
> the point in asking?
Been there, done that. But I didn't spend my time putting other riders
down, I went out and saw the wonders of Shanghai, Xi'An, Beijing, and
Guilin before ending up in Hong Kong.
So what's your excuse for posting your hate on the web while you could
be out sight seeing?
The Older Gentleman
Heh.
You know, I saw China's equivalent of a Reliant Robin yesterday. Three
wheels, four doors, God *knows* who made it.
Lots of farty little cheapo 125s and scooters. Haven't seen any
half-decent bikes, but then I didn't see any in Beijing last time (I'm
in Dalian right now). Bikes are strictly bargain basement transport
here. If you have the money, you buy a car not a motorcycle.
Scads of old-model VWs and Citroens, built in China after they ended the
model runs in Europe and shipped out the production lines.
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 22, 7:39?pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
<Still baffled>
I really, really think you need professional psychiatric help, you know.
Mark Olson
> You know, I saw China's equivalent of a Reliant Robin yesterday. Three
> wheels, four doors, God *knows* who made it.
I know you want it, you know you want it, the problem is
how do you get one back to blighty.
The Older Gentleman
Curses, rumbled.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> You know, I saw China's equivalent of a Reliant Robin yesterday. Three
> wheels, four doors, God *knows* who made it.
Why don't you do your rambling on ukrm so we can concentrate on
helping riders solve their technical issues in rmt?
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 22, 8:07?pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Ah, you mean like you do?
paul c
> Rick Cortese <rico...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I believe that may have an overhead cam so there is a good chance
>> the cam chain went south and your valves are bent.
>
> OHV not OHC.
>
> It's just a POS cheapo Honda copy engine. Could be anything, really....
> Except the valve clearances.
>
>
Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
of? Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
obsolete plant ...
Also wondering if there are many current bike engine designs from other
countries that use pushrods.
.
> Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
> of? �Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
> Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
> obsolete plant ...
It's probably a Lifan engine.
http://www.lifan.com/en/product_list.asp?parentid=8662&id=888
Rick Cortese
After extensive research, OK, I am bored to tears and don't want to do
things I should do like laundry:
Giantco Prince HY150 (125cc)
http://www.giantco.com/motorcycles/prince.html
It's not a scooter. That was wishful thinking on my part as I just got
one I picked up on eBay for $50 running. Dealer used it as a parts bike
so it is missing things like front brake lever. I priced the front brake
lever and dealer wants ~$12. I am wondering if it is worth $12 to risk
my life. I mean I can just go skydiving w/o a parachute or something.
The bikes seem to be something of a death trap with certain parts such
as brake and clutch cables going south at the worst times. Gawd I just
love to get things running for the sake of getting things running, nasty
habit. I see 'not running' or 'parts bike' and it is a more alluring of
an invitation then 'I'm so horny!'
I think you are right about the Lifan under a differnt label. Identical
to a couple I bought. They are listed on the web site as 'overhead
valve' but are overhead cam engines. It would be interesting to have an
overhead cam engine w/o overhead valves.
http://www.gy6usa.com/images4/gy6_top_end_kit.jpg
Is a picture of a typical chinese head assembly in this case off a
scooter. Looks similar in layout to a Honda XR but then I have not seen
examples of Yamha, Kawasaki, or Suzuki single cylinder overhead cam
engines so...
Rick
The Older Gentleman
> Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
> of?
Honda CG125 <Makes Sign of Holy Pushrods>
> Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
Good call. The CG hit the market in early 1977, which was odd as the OHC
125 engine had been running successfully for some years. They ran the
two designs side by side for some years in Europe, with the CG being
aimed more at the commuter market and the slightly sportier OHC engine
aimed at dirt bikes and teen learner machines.
Production of the CG moved to Brazil in the mid-1980s, where it's been
made ever since. The engine gained an electric starter a few years ago.
The engines share few common parts, but are interchangeable within
chassis as the engine mounting points are the same. The CG never had a
rev counter drive, so dropping a CG into an old OHC frame (quite common,
given the number of CG engines around) means you have to give up the rev
counter.
It is an *incredibly* tough engine. Even if you run the things down to a
teaspoon of oil, they'll keep running once you've topped up the oil.
> Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
> obsolete plant ...
>
> Also wondering if there are many current bike engine designs from other
> countries that use pushrods.
Harley Davidson. Moto Guzzi. That gurt great Yamaha 1700cc cruiser
thing. Oilhead BMW boxers even (very short ones!). So some, but you're
right: not many.
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paul c
Thanks, that's interesting about the pushrods perhaps needing less oil
pressure. Also, I gather that the HD's and MG's you mention are not
exactly "current" designs.
The Older Gentleman
> I think you are right about the Lifan under a differnt label.
He's not (you might be surprised to learn...)
I've owned a couple of CGs. They're *everywhere* in London because
they're the economical commuter and riding school bike of choice.
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The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 25, 8:22?am, paul c <toledobythe...@oohay.ac> wrote:
>
> > Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
> > of? ?Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
> > Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
> > obsolete plant ...
>
> It's probably a Lifan engine.
>
> http://www.lifan.com/en/product_list.asp?parentid=8662&id=888
It's not.
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The Older Gentleman
> Thanks, that's interesting about the pushrods perhaps needing less oil
> pressure.
That's not actually what I said. Generally, when you run an OHC engine
low on oil it's the top end that gets starved first and the cam and
cylinder head bearing surfaces get wrecked. Not necessarily the case
with OHV.
> Also, I gather that the HD's and MG's you mention are not
> exactly "current" designs.
Well, they're 'current' all right. Just perhaps not 'modern' :-))
The last modern bike engine I can think of that used OHV from the start
was the Honda CX500, an engine that was years ahead of its time.
.
> Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
> of? �Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
> Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
> obsolete plant ...
http://www.giantco.com/engines/cg125.html
Honda CG125
56.5mm X 49.5mm
124.1 cm3
9.5:1
22mm piston valve carb
8.1 kw@9000
GiantCo Prince 125
Engine type: 4 stroke, single cylinder, air cool
Valve Train 2-valve; OHV
Bore x Stroke (mm) 56.5 x 49.5
Displacement 124.9cc
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Ignition System CDI
Starter Electric / Kick start
Max Power 7.5kW / 8500rpm
Max Torque 8.8Nm / 7500rpm
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 25, 8:22?am, paul c <toledobythe...@oohay.ac> wrote:
>
> > Just curious, if it's really not OHC, which Honda engine is it a copy
> > of? ?Must be a very old design, I'd guess close to thirty years old.
> > Wondering why they'd copy something that old unless they just bought an
> > obsolete plant ...
>
> http://www.giantco.com/engines/cg125.html
>
> Honda CG125
>
> 56.5mm X 49.5mm
> 124.1 cm3
> 9.5:1
> 22mm piston valve carb
> 8.1 kw@9000
>
> GiantCo Prince 125
>
> Engine type: 4 stroke, single cylinder, air cool
> Valve Train 2-valve; OHV
> Bore x Stroke (mm) 56.5 x 49.5
> Displacement 124.9cc
> Compression Ratio 9.2:1
> Ignition System CDI
> Starter Electric / Kick start
> Max Power 7.5kW / 8500rpm
> Max Torque 8.8Nm / 7500rpm
Which is what I've been saying. It's not an OHC Lifan engine at all.
The difference between us is that I know this sort of thing (because
it's my job to know, and because I've owned examples of the bike) and
don't have to speculate wildly before sitting down and frantically
Googling.
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.
Gentleman) wrote:
> The difference between us is that I know this sort of thing (because
> it's my job to know, and because I've owned examples of the bike) and
> don't have to speculate wildly before sitting down and frantically
> Googling.
If you *know* all this stuff, why don't you just jump in and give the
newbies
the benefit of your awesome knowledge, instead of giving them (and
everybody else) a ration of shit?
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 25, 9:17?pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
And what do you think my preceding posts did, Oh Descendant Of Kings?
I've given a nice little tech and historical overview of the CG.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> And what do you think my preceding posts did, Oh Descendant Of Kings?
> I've given a nice little tech and historical overview of the CG.
The OP didn't ask for a "tech and historical overview", Panty
Prancer.
He just wanted some advice on how to get his humble engine *started*.
The Older Gentleman
> On Sep 26, 7:16?am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
<Shrug>
Could be anything, couldn't it?
I mean: "it was going, and now it doesn't". He's got petrol and a spark.
Dropped valve? Holed piston? Displaced jet? Who cares?
Whatever problem it is, it's nothing to do with an overhead camshaft,
which he might have been looking for, given your erroneous advice.
Nor will spraying carb cleaner into the carb help.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Could be anything, couldn't it?
>
> I mean: "it was going, and now it doesn't". He's got petrol and a spark.
> Dropped valve? Holed piston? Displaced jet? Who cares?
Andy cares. It's *his* motorbike.
Are you too self-absorbed to have *any* sympathy whatever for a fellow
rider who's having mechanical problems?
>
> Whatever problem it is, it's nothing to do with an overhead camshaft,
> which he might have been looking for, given your erroneous advice.
Cite where I ever mentioned a possible problem with an overhead
camshaft, Hanky Dancer.
> Nor will spraying carb cleaner into the carb help.
Works for me.
> Nothing is more dangerous than an ignoramus with a workshop
> manual, a 'can-do' attitude and a cheap set of tools
Rubbish.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <6b33faa3-a718-4d02...@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:
> On Sep 26, 8:09?am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
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You're right, you _are_ rubbish!
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paul c
> On Sep 26, 8:09�am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
>> Could be anything, couldn't it?
>>
>> I mean: "it was going, and now it doesn't". He's got petrol and a spark.
>> Dropped valve? Holed piston? Displaced jet? Who cares?
>
> Andy cares. It's *his* motorbike.
AFAICT, after four or five days, Andy hasn't followed up this thread.
Too bad as I think there is experience here that might help, but it
seems not many of the experts here have asked him many questions that
might help qualify his problem, at least not direct ones, instead we get
quite a bit of thread drift. I'd say the very knowledgeable people here
(not me, my experience is rather shallow - which is why I follow this
group) should forget about his problem until he responds. (All I've
been able to notice so far is that the pushrod for small engines isn't
dead yet, I guess there's hope for Briggs and Stratton or somesuch. Do
they make a side-valve engine?)
As for the Chinese debate, my feeble recollection is that about forty
years ago the Japanese were criticized for copying designs when in fact
they had quite a bit of innovation behind them which took some years to
be noticed by the rest of the world. Personally, I'm very curious
about the state, if any, of Chinese innovation. A guy I know was
criticizing one of their engines after he took it apart because he
noticed the 7-UP imprint on one of the metal gaskets. But another guy
who knows about the metal trade told me it's quite common for surplus
thin sheets to be re-sold in bulk to the highest bidder.
The Older Gentleman
> Cite where I ever mentioned a possible problem with an overhead
> camshaft, Hanky Dancer.
"It's probably a Lifan engine."
Therefore an OHC problem is possible.
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.
> AFAICT, after four or five days, Andy hasn't followed up this thread.
> Too bad as I think there is experience here that might help, but it
> seems not many of the experts here have asked him many questions that
> might help qualify his problem, at least not direct ones, instead we get
> quite a bit of thread drift. �I'd say the very knowledgeable people here
> (not me, my experience is rather shallow - which is why I follow this
> group) should forget about his problem until he responds. �
Newbies often make only *one* post to mirror sites like the one Andy
used (http://www.MotoMoz.com) and they never actually visit
rec.motorcycles.tech at all.
Sometimes they never even check for replies on the original site
because they solved their problem.
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> . <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Cite where I ever mentioned a possible problem with an overhead
> > camshaft, Hanky Dancer.
>
> "It's probably a Lifan engine."
>
> Therefore an OHC problem is possible.
Cobblers.
The Older Gentleman
> > "It's probably a Lifan engine."
> >
> > Therefore an OHC problem is possible.
>
> Cobblers.
Please point out the logical fallacy therein....
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Please point out the logical fallacy therein....
WTFGAS? You couldn't spend your *preshush* time to help Andy, but you
can waste my time with an endless asinine debate?
That is bullshit.
Rick Cortese
> . wrote:
>
>> On Sep 26, 8:09�am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>> Gentleman) wrote:
<snip>
> As for the Chinese debate, my feeble recollection is that about forty
> years ago the Japanese were criticized for copying designs when in fact
> they had quite a bit of innovation behind them which took some years to
> be noticed by the rest of the world. Personally, I'm very curious
> about the state, if any, of Chinese innovation. A guy I know was
> criticizing one of their engines after he took it apart because he
> noticed the 7-UP imprint on one of the metal gaskets. But another guy
> who knows about the metal trade told me it's quite common for surplus
> thin sheets to be re-sold in bulk to the highest bidder.
I have a couple of scooters and two Lifan engines I bought new. Probably
four more examples of Chinese engineering that most people have!
There is a lot right with them, mainly price. Fit and finish is OK for
the price level. Where they run into problems is the level of materials
and engineering is uneven. That is, they will have a mounting bracket
for the carburetor/throttle cable that looks like it was made for truck,
but then have a Mickey Mouse clutch set up with parts that bend and flex
when in use.
The material problems are real. Some rubber parts last, others just
disintegrate. We are not talking about non critical parts either, things
like intake manifold on one of the scooters has gone south. Stability
and Q.C. is a part of the process. You don't have to wait a couple of
years for the results, you have accelerated tests you can do that give
you data in a couple of weeks.
It is hard for me to believe there isn't some mischief going on.
Specifically there are tested formulations using plasticizers and
antioxidants. Echoes of using lead paint in children toys, melamine
found in milk and wheat gluten. Just saw an article when checking for
the correct spelling of melamine that says 13% of producers were found
to have added it to milk to disguise adding water to increase profits.
If one in eight dairy farms is willing to poison people to make a buck,
what chance does a cheap scooter have?
Rick
.
> It is hard for me to believe there isn't some mischief going on.
> Specifically there are tested formulations using plasticizers and
> antioxidants. Echoes of using lead paint in children toys, melamine
> found in milk and wheat gluten. Just saw an article when checking for
> the correct spelling of melamine that says 13% of producers were found
> to have added it to milk to disguise adding water to increase profits.
When I visited China about 20 years ago, it was like going back 50
years in a time machine...
I stayed at the ultra-modern Great Wall Sheraton in Beijing. It's the
finest hotel I've ever slept in. Definitely 5-star.
http://www.china-beijing-hotels.info/the_great_wall_sheraton_hotel.html
One morning I ordered dry cereal for breakfast, but I couldn't eat it,
as the milk tasted like musty coal dust.
I asked the waitress why the milk tasted like China smelled, and she
responded that it was "cow's milk".
Everything in China is covered with a grey grime precipitated from
coal ash and Gobi desert dust by the dew every night.
I took a riverboat cruise down the Li river down to Yangshuo near the
Viet Nam border. The river flows lazily between karst monoliths with
erosion that imaginative Chinese have described as scenes depicting
various animals.
http://www.easytourchina.com/china-photos/Guilin/Li-River-Cruise/index.htm
I ate the buffet lunch before I saw how the Chinese washed the dishes.
They had a hose hooked up to the side of the riverboat's diesel engine
and they were flushing the dishes off with hot river water...
If I ever visit China again, I will get every kind of immunization
shot imaginable because of the poor sanitation in food preparation.
The Chinese restaurants didn't seem to have a dishwashing facility,
the Chinese waitstaff would wash the dishes right in the dining rooms
by merely pouring scalding hot water over the dishes...
The tour I was on took us through various sweat shops that
manufactured items for the tourist trade. One sweat shop mass produced
jade carvings, such as jade turtles.
The workers had to endure poor lighting and worked without eye
protection
to carve the stones using a sort of cable-powered dremel tool.
In order to see what they were doing, they had to have their
unprotected eyes within inches of the flying jade dust and chips...
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <egcsd45t9huakn0di...@4ax.com>:
> Oi, Ivan, you guys ready to end the world at Cern or did somebody forget
> to pay the power bill again?
Well, I didn't get to do the midnight shift last Saturday night
because someone didn't do a connexion up tight in a supercon magnet, or
something. _Something_ developed resistance and before anything could be
done, 18 kA of current melted a magnet interconnect[1], the magnets
quenched, various systems overloaded, and nearly two tonnes of liquid
helium was dumped into the tunnel. Since we don't like our workers
squeaky-voiced, or dead, it was several days before anyone could get into
the tunnel.
Bottom line: it takes a few weeks to warm everything up, and
longer to cool down, so even with instantaneous repairs the fix is going
to run into the planned winter shut-down (electricity does get expensive
then...)
Executive summary, you can relax and enjoy Christmas/New Year 'cos
the earliest we'll see Armageddon^Wfirst collisions is sometime March, I
reckon.
[1] Disclaimer[2]: this is based on pure guesswork.
[2] Datclaimer: and I'm not involved in that aspect of LHC. ...but the
meetings last week were "interesting"...
The Older Gentleman
> When I visited China about 20 years ago, it was like going back 50
> years in a time machine...
So 20 years ago - maybe a decade after they decided to modernise. I'm in
China *right now* and your description is laughably out of date.
> One morning I ordered dry cereal for breakfast, but I couldn't eat it,
> as the milk tasted like musty coal dust.
No doibt the Chinese would sneer at what you consider to be 'Chinese'
food
>
> I asked the waitress why the milk tasted like China smelled, and she
> responded that it was "cow's milk".
>
> Everything in China is covered with a grey grime precipitated from
> coal ash and Gobi desert dust by the dew every night.
No, it isn't. You're talking crap again. I spent three hours walking the
town (Dalian) yesterday, shopping, watching the world go by. In a
modern, clean, vibrant city filled with parks, new model cars and
confident people.
They have money. They have a future. They are proud of what they're
doing. The ones I spoke to think the torch (financial, industrial) has
already passed from Ameica to them. I think they're right.
(Mind you, I think Beijing is a horrible city).
--
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GHPOTHUF#1 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
The Older Gentleman
> WTFGAS? You couldn't spend your *preshush* time to help Andy, but you
> can waste my time with an endless asinine debate?
Have you actually considered that the word 'debate' implies (at least) a
two-sided conversation?
If you think it's wasting your time, you have only yourself to blame for
indulging in it :-))
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> They have money. They have a future. They are proud of what they're
> doing. The ones I spoke to think the torch (financial, industrial) has
> already passed from Ameica to them. I think they're right.
The statue of liberty is the only supposedly "American" torch symbol I
can think of.
If the "torch" passes to China, let them take the Mexicans and the
Jews off our hands.
paul c
...
> No, it isn't. You're talking crap again. I spent three hours walking the
> town (Dalian) yesterday, shopping, watching the world go by. In a
> modern, clean, vibrant city filled with parks, new model cars and
> confident people.
Ha, sounds like something Donald Rumsfeld said after one his Baghdad
visits! Depends what you see - every city has its own putrid underbelly.
Some awful crap has come out of companies with magnificent headquarters,
such as the Ford FanCon from beautiful Dearborn.
Some people like the Wall Street architecture too.
I wish people would stick to m/c's here. As for my own post, sorry for
being a diverger but it takes one to know one.
.
> I wish people would stick to m/c's here.
Ditto. However, The Old Gas Bag has been trolling this group for ten
years now, and he's unlikely to quit.
Jack Hunt
<Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>_Something_ developed resistance and before anything could be
>done, 18 kA of current melted a magnet interconnect[1], the magnets
>quenched, various systems overloaded, and nearly two tonnes of liquid
>helium was dumped into the tunnel.
I hate it when that happens but I can't say I didn't expect it. Let me know if
you need me to come over and straighten things out.
--
Jack
Jack Hunt
<Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
> JKLO#003
BTW, where is she these days? Haven't heard from her in years.
Next time you get on this side of the pond, you must stop by and see my foray
into the world of small business ownership.
It's doing so well that we're now only working half days. And we've found that
it doesn't really matter which 12 hours we take off...
--
Jack Hunt IBA#12795, STOC 1870
'99 ST1100, FaST Forward
'95 Suzuki DR250SE
http://www.huntslodge.com
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <ch2vd4pfcd1e4qo6e...@4ax.com>:
these days. :-(
The Older Gentleman
> Depends what you see - every city has its own putrid underbelly.
Oh yes. Just pointing out that Krusty's assessment isn't to be taken
seriously, as it's based on experiences of 20 years ago.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <bp2vd4dkcvr4vp13u...@4ax.com>:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:18:50 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
><Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> JKLO#003
> BTW, where is she these days? Haven't heard from her in years.
Don't think I've seen her since the time I stayed, with her, at
Shirley Soldin's place -- when I was borrowing Lissa Shoun's Africa Twin.
Andy Pugh might know (she always had a bigger crush on him than me[1]) but I
haven't heard from him in years either!
> Next time you get on this side of the pond, you must stop by and see my foray
> into the world of small business ownership.
> It's doing so well that we're now only working half days. And we've
>found that it doesn't really matter which 12 hours we take off...
You sure you're not an experimental physicist? Sounds awfully familiar...
Hmm, but you got local whiskey, haven't you? I have to put up with Scotch.
[1] Ambiguities-'R'-Us.
Jack Hunt
<Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>Andy Pugh might know (she always had a bigger crush on him than me[1]) but I
>haven't heard from him in years either!
atp showed up on reeky a few weeks ago but I haven't seen him since. I don't
monitor ukrm so I don't know if he's there or not. I think he's riding a Yamaha
FJR 1300 now.
Somebody said Adny's stateside these days but I haven't seen him online since he
lost his contract at Alphabetwistwich.
--
Jack
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Oh yes. Just pointing out that Krusty's assessment isn't to be taken
> seriously, as it's based on experiences of 20 years ago.
As if the Chinese have stopped burning coal, and the winds have
stopped
blowing the dust from the Gobi desert, and there is never any morning
dew to precipitate the dust onto rooftops and cars and the street.
You never saw such hacking and coughing and spitting as you see in
China.
And they all smoke tobacco and cough and spit everywhere. You have to
watch where you put your hand when climbing stairs in public
buildings.
Motoring down the Li river, I saw a Chinese peasant sitting on a rock
in the river. He was wearing the traditional black pajamas of the
coolies, and the cone-shaped coolie hat.
He lit up a bamboo pipe, it must have been an inch in diameter, with a
wad of tobacco.
The tobacco flamed and he inhaled. When he exhaled, the thick smoke
flowed from his mouth like a liquid...
It's a wonder he wasn't dead of lung cancer...
I could look out my window at the Hua Ting Sheraton in Shanghai and
see inside the adjacent Chinese apartment.
There were no elevators in the Chinese workers' apartments, they were
cold water walk-up flats.
The Chinese use coal burning braziers to cook their food, and the
inside of the apartment was black with soot.
There was no furniture except for a mattress on the floor.
At that time, China was beginning its modernization. I could see half-
naked laborers pulling carts with half a ton of bricks and I could see
tall cranes and bamboo scaffolding as the new high rises were built.
The most fortunate Chinese living in the cities had rooms in the walk
up apartment buildings, but 85% of all Chinese still live in the
country, in tumbledown four unit brick quadruplexes with no plumbing
other than the faucet in the common courtyard.
Each quad unit had two rooms. The young people lived and slept in the
kitchen and the old folks lived in the back room.
The quads were in ruins because of a great earthquake in the 1970's,
when millions of Chinese were killed.
If a Chinese wanted to repair his quad, he could go to a pile of
rubble and select the best red bricks and tote them home, hoping that
another Chinese peasant wasn't looting his pile while he went for more
bricks.
Mark Olson
> atp showed up on reeky a few weeks ago but I haven't seen him since. I don't
> monitor ukrm so I don't know if he's there or not. I think he's riding a Yamaha
> FJR 1300 now.
Close- a 2004 Yamaha R1.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles/msg/d461af138d9bb5f4?hl=en
The Older Gentleman
> As if the Chinese have stopped burning coal, and the winds have
> stopped
> blowing the dust from the Gobi desert, and there is never any morning
> dew to precipitate the dust onto rooftops and cars and the street.
>
> You never saw such hacking and coughing and spitting as you see in
> China.
They've been doing that for centuries.
Mind you, you are right about one thing: they all smoke like chimneys. I
colleague asked me to bring him back coms duty-free Marlboros. $15 for
200 (the UK price is about six or seven times that). Chinese brands are
even cheaper.
You're still daft to judge China on what it as like when you visited.
Consider: Deng Xiaoping (sp?) announced that China would open up, adopt
(a form of) capitalism and modernise a mere 30 years ago.
Consider: the 30-year gap between 1916 and 1946, in the US. In 1916:
hardly any army, no aircraft industry to speak of, and a largely
agrarian society outside the cities. Los Angeles was a nice little
backwater.
A sleeping giant, but a country making little or no impact on the
outside world.
fast forward to 1946. A colossus. The biggest, richest country in the
world, with a monopoly[1] on atomic weapons. *The* most powerful nation,
bar none. Produced mor steel than the rest of the world, more oil, more
food than it could consumer, more of everything.
I'd suggest that the strides China has made since 1978 are just as
impressive. Bush may think the US is going to rule the world, but he's
wrong. Sheer hard cash is what counts, and China has it and will have
more.
The British Empire lasted a surprisingly short time. I don't think
American supremacy is going to last as long as some people think,
either. Sure, lots of guns and planes help, but they didn't make Russia
win the Cold War.
[1] Only to last another three years, of course.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."
Al
http://hondacg125.awardspace.com/basic_fault_finding.htm
TOG and krusty (currently known as "dot" - he morphs a lot - you"ll
can see why) both contain some wisdom, but krusty usually starts a
childish flame war after about 2 posts by each. Hope you are still
reading. Note that a failure of some of the chinese "technology" in
the failed part is the likely culprit - not so likely in the Honda
version
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:22:13 -0500, andy1975 <no...@000.com> wrote:
>Hi i have a giantco prince 125 that is just under three years old, I
>went for a ride on it last last week and managed to get twenty miles
>out and it just stopped on the a1 and i had to get it recovered, since
>then i have checked the wiring, the battery works fine, i have a spark
>and theres petrol going through but no matter what i do it won’t start
>even with the kick start or bumping it can anyone advise me on this
>problem please? :(
.
Gentleman) wrote:
> Mind you, you are right about one thing: they all smoke like chimneys. I
> colleague asked me to bring him back coms duty-free Marlboros. $15 for
> 200 (the UK price is about six or seven times that). Chinese brands are
> even cheaper.
We couldn't give our tour bus driver tourist money, he wasn't allowed
to have it, so we gave him two cartons of American cigarettes that he
could sell on the "free market".
>
> You're still daft to judge China on what it as like when you visited.
Okay, so there has been a massive migration from the country to the
city, the largest migration in history, but there are still 72 Chinese
peasants engaged in farming for every American.
China has 5.2 times the American work force, but every American
produces 8.64 times what a Chinese worker produces.
China's GDP is only half that of the United States (based upon
purchasing power parity).
>
> Consider: Deng Xiaoping (sp?) announced that China would open up, adopt
> (a form of) capitalism and modernise a mere 30 years ago.
Yes, it is amazing how far the Chinese have come since they realized
that they were shooting themselves in the foot by maintaining a closed
society.
I saw the beginnings of the transformation from a century of decay to
modern skyscrapers sprouting above the slums of Shanghai and Beijing,
now you're seeing the showcase free trade zones intended to impress
foreign investors with how clean and modern China is.
> Consider: the 30-year gap between 1916 and 1946, in the US. In 1916:
> hardly any army, no aircraft industry to speak of, and a largely
> agrarian society outside the cities. Los Angeles was a nice little
> backwater.
>
> A sleeping giant, but a country making little or no impact on the
> outside world.
America was by nature isolationist, until Teddy Roosevelt decided that
America needed a foreign empire. It was about that time that Japan and
Germany decided they wanted their share. In the 1920's, Mussolini
decided to recreate the grandeur of Rome with an empire in Africa.
The Chinese were dominated by foreign empire and they wanted the
"foreign devils" out of China so they could pursue their own national
course.
My uncle was on a US Navy gunboat projecting US power on the the
rivers of China until 1937, when the Japanese took Shanghai.
> fast forward to 1946. A colossus. The biggest, richest country in the
> world, with a monopoly[1] on atomic weapons. *The* most powerful nation,
> bar none. Produced mor steel than the rest of the world, more oil, more
> food than it could consumer, more of everything.
Thanks to Franklin D. Roosevelt's adoption of Maynard Keynes' deficit
spending strategy. (1)
Fiat money financed the war, and Roosevelt figured that if the economy
could be stimulated by a small amount of cash, the workers would be
able to pay income taxes and repay the national debt created by
deficit spending.
>
> I'd suggest that the strides China has made since 1978 are just as
> impressive.
Yes, a Chinese astronaut just did their first walk in space about two
days ago, in a Chinese copy of a Russian Soyuz spacecraft. That's only
about 44 years after
American astronauts and Russian cosmonauts did their pioneer walks...
> Bush may think the US is going to rule the world, but he's
> wrong. Sheer hard cash is what counts, and China has it and will have
> more.
Bush didn't plan to extend American hegemony over the rest of the
world purely by military force, but his support of the global
capitalists makes it look like that was his intent.
If Americans have enough disposable income to keep buying athletic
shoes and
cheap TV sets from Wal*Mart, China will prosper.
(1) Kurt Vonnegutt, the famous science fiction(?) satirist once asked
where all the money came from to finance WW2, if there was no money to
employ the workers during the Great Depression of the 1930's.
Vonnegutt speculated that it was a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi was a con man
that promised high interest to investors. He paid each new investor a
handsome return, taking it from subsequent investors.
When he could no longer meet his payment schedule, he skippped town,
but was caught and sent to prison. When he got out, he started another
Ponzi scheme immediately...
The Older Gentleman
> Yes, a Chinese astronaut just did their first walk in space about two
> days ago, in a Chinese copy of a Russian Soyuz spacecraft. That's only
> about 44 years after
> American astronauts and Russian cosmonauts did their pioneer walks...
I watched it live in China. This from a country that was a backward
peasant society 30 years ago. Sorry, America. These guys are going to
rule the world.
Not because they're necessarily more inventive, not because they've got
the technological edge, but because they've got the *money*.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <jZqdnYU3UPGNfH3V...@posted.visi>:
Hmm, 2004; no it must have been 2002 I rode his R1 around the IoM
during the Manx GP, so he's got a newer one. I didn't get on with the R1,
I had something like a scaphoid bone injury in my left wrist but the
clutch lever couldn't be adjusted so that my arm, hand and fingers were
in-line, so it hurt like buggery every time I had to use the clutch.
Mark Olson
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:07:12 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
> wrote in <jZqdnYU3UPGNfH3V...@posted.visi>:
>
>>Jack Hunt wrote:
>
>
>
>>>atp showed up on reeky a few weeks ago but I haven't seen him since. I don't
>>>monitor ukrm so I don't know if he's there or not. I think he's riding a Yamaha
>>>FJR 1300 now.
>
>
>
>>Close- a 2004 Yamaha R1.
>
>
>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles/msg/d461af138d9bb5f4?hl=en
>
>
> Hmm, 2004; no it must have been 2002 I rode his R1 around the IoM
> during the Manx GP, so he's got a newer one. I didn't get on with the R1,
> I had something like a scaphoid bone injury in my left wrist but the
> clutch lever couldn't be adjusted so that my arm, hand and fingers were
> in-line, so it hurt like buggery every time I had to use the clutch.
>
You'd not get on with the '07 FJR at all then, Yamaha decreased the diameter
of the clutch slave cylinder in '06, and it's practically Sportster-like in
the amount of clutch effort it demands.
.
> I had something like a scaphoid bone injury in my left wrist but the
> clutch lever couldn't be adjusted so that my arm, hand and fingers were
> in-line, so it hurt like buggery every time I had to use the clutch.
You'd be on familiar terms with buggers, eh?
The Older Gentleman
And once again: you really, really need to work on your insult
technique.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <f580e453-62d3-4775...@t42g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
No, I don't have much to do with GCHQ.
"like buggery: considerably"
-- The Macquarie Dictionary 1st Ed., St. Leonards NSW, 1981.