Cry Wolf and Abomination
Sorrow
Type: Ally
Requires: anarch
Unique werewolf with 3 life. 2 strength, 0 bleed. Requires a ready anarch.
If the action to recruit this ally is blocked, the acting anarch goes to
torpor. This werewolf must enter combat with any minion controlled by
another Methuselah as a (D) action. He gets one optional press each combat.
This werewolf does not untap as normal during your untap phase. If he is
tapped during your untap phase, burn him.
Abomination
Type: Action
Cost: 1 pool
Unique. Requires a ready non-Sterile vampire. +1 stealth action.
Burn an untapped werewolf ally (such as Renegade Garou, Werewolf Pack or
Black Spiral Buddy) in your ready region to put this card in play. This card
becomes a unique Independent Abomination vampire of 4 capacity with superior
Protean [PRO]. You may move up to 4 blood from the acting vampire to this
vampire. This vampire has +1 strength, gets an additional strike each round
and gets an optional maneuver each combat. This vampire may attack any ready
minion as a (D) action.
Cry Wolf states that "[t]his werewolf must enter combat with any minion",
making it seem as if that is a mandatory action. Like when a vampire must
hunt, that action must occur before any other. So if Cry Wolf is ever
untapped (either at the start of your minion phase or by any other means),
the first action you have to take (apart from hunting) will be Cry Wolf's
action, correct? If so, then because the card Abomination states that the
target werewolf ally must be untapped then there can never be a situation
where you can turn Cry Wolf into an Abomination, correct?
Sorrow
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wonder why, I wonder what he thought it would get us
LSJ
> Cry Wolf states that "[t]his werewolf must enter combat with any minion",
> making it seem as if that is a mandatory action. Like when a vampire must
> hunt, that action must occur before any other. So if Cry Wolf is ever
> untapped (either at the start of your minion phase or by any other means),
> the first action you have to take (apart from hunting) will be Cry Wolf's
> action, correct?
Yes (or some other mandatory action).
All mandatory actions are done before any non-mandatory action can be.
> If so, then because the card Abomination states that the
> target werewolf ally must be untapped then there can never be a situation
> where you can turn Cry Wolf into an Abomination, correct?
Typical example involves the Cry Wolf getting blocked and playing Change of Target.
Matthew T. Morgan
> Cry Wolf states that "[t]his werewolf must enter combat with any minion",
> making it seem as if that is a mandatory action. Like when a vampire must
> hunt, that action must occur before any other. So if Cry Wolf is ever
> untapped (either at the start of your minion phase or by any other means),
> the first action you have to take (apart from hunting) will be Cry Wolf's
> action, correct? If so, then because the card Abomination states that the
> target werewolf ally must be untapped then there can never be a situation
> where you can turn Cry Wolf into an Abomination, correct?
There can be, but not without some setup.
Cry Wolf could have no legal targets to rush.
Cry Wolf could rush only to have combat ended with inferior Meld With the
Land.
Cry Wolf could rush, survive combat and then get untapped by any of the
several rarely-seen action cards that can be used to untap allies.
In any case, it's not a good idea. Those guys have been steering you
wrong.
Matt Morgan
Bram Vink
Yes, mandatory actions have to go first.
So usually you cannot do this, but never is a big word. Say, you could
manage to untap the cry wolf after it has taken this action. Or when
it is otherwise unable to take it's mandatory action.
Or you take an out of turn action. I'm sure there's other options.
> Sorrow
Cheers,
Bram
cnislev
> Cry Wolf states that "[t]his werewolf must enter combat with any minion",
> making it seem as if that is a mandatory action. Like when a vampire must
> hunt, that action must occur before any other. So if Cry Wolf is ever
> untapped (either at the start of your minion phase or by any other means),
> the first action you have to take (apart from hunting) will be Cry Wolf's
> action, correct? If so, then because the card Abomination states that the
> target werewolf ally must be untapped then there can never be a situation
> where you can turn Cry Wolf into an Abomination, correct?
>
I thought of the same thing and came up with Change of Target as
suggested - and a question in that respect:
If a vampire attempts to employ Cry Wolf but is blocked and then plays
Change of Target, does the vampire still go to torpor since he was
blocked? My guess (and hope) would be no, since the action is
cancelled along with the card's effects...
LSJ
> If a vampire attempts to employ Cry Wolf but is blocked and then plays
> Change of Target, does the vampire still go to torpor since he was
> blocked?
Yes.
> My guess (and hope) would be no, since the action is
> cancelled along with the card's effects...
The action is ended, not canceled.
If it was a Force of Will, the agg damage would still be applied after Change of
Target, too.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/88f3240c6c4d8181
Petri Wessman
but it's tricky and by no means anything you can ever count on. Used
Change of Target that time, though I guess other funkier combos could
also work. Hard to pull off, in any case
J
> target werewolf ally must be untapped then there can never be a situation
> where you can turn Cry Wolf into an Abomination, correct?
Try Rayzeel's Song or Precognizant Mobility.
After the initial rush, he cannot take it again due to NRA. So if you
can use either of these cards to untap him, he's free to be
Abominated.
--> J
grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com
XZealot
You could turn the Cry Wolf into an Abomination on your prey's turn by
using the Madness Network. That seems to be the easiest way.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
cnislev
"So if Cry Wolf is ever
untapped (either at the start of your minion phase or by any other
means), the first action you have to take (apart from hunting) will
be Cry Wolf's
action, correct? "
Yes (or some other mandatory action).
>>>
> After the initial rush, he cannot take it again due to NRA. So if you
> can use either of these cards to untap him, he's free to be
> Abominated.
sorry if I am wasting peoples time, but I need to understand this:
Doesnt the text on Cry Wolf mean that WHENEVER the pooch is untapped,
it MUST rush? and that this is a mandatory action, so must be done
before any other non-mandatory actions?
So if you untap him through, say, an action (precognizant mobility),
the first action afterwards would have to be a rush action with Cry
Wolf or another mandatory action, wherefore you could not Abomination
him.
Sorrow
> Doesnt the text on Cry Wolf mean that WHENEVER the pooch is untapped,
> it MUST rush? and that this is a mandatory action, so must be done
> before any other non-mandatory actions?
> So if you untap him through, say, an action (precognizant mobility),
> the first action afterwards would have to be a rush action with Cry
> Wolf or another mandatory action, wherefore you could not Abomination
> him.
Well, if he's already rushed and survived, if he is subsequently untapped
then he cannot perform the same action per the NRA rules. As a result,
he'll just be stuck and cannot take actions.
Sorrow
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obelisk
6.1.5 in the rulebook:
To recruit an ally from your hand, play the card and tap the acting
minion. If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your
uncontrolled region, even though it is controlled, to indicate that it
cannot act this turn (and the cost, if any, is paid).
So, couldn't one, with two vamps in play, first recruit Cry Wolf and
then abominate him as he is controlled, but simply unable to act when
he comes into play?
obelisk
Unique. Requires a ready vampire.
+1 stealth action
Burn an untapped werewolf ally (such as Renegade Garou, Werewolf Pack
or Black Spiral Buddy) in your ready region to put this card in play.
Ready region, my fault...
~m