We finally tried "Plant Based Burgers" and our opinions surprised even us!

[Sqwertz]

(Had this been a real Click-bait test, you all would have failed).

A couple months ago they had "Sweet Earth" entrees for $1/each (up
to 80% off). I looked at each of them and decided they weren't even
worth the $1.

https://www.goodnes.com/sweet-earth/

But this week they had a coupon for 100% off (Limit 1 electronic
coupon). So I "bought" the 2-pack of 1/4lb "Bacon Burgers with
Benovelent Bacon(tm)". Normally they cost $6 without 100% coupon.

First, the bacon:

https://i.postimg.cc/qRwwL008/Backup-Bacon.jpg

If you're vegan, that looks pretty fucking good, eh? That's because
this is one of the products in my new line of foods called "Backup
Bacon(tm)" which I'm marketing to gullible dumshits that buy vegan
foods named after meat products expecting them to taste like meat.

THIS is what the Sweet Earth vegan "Benevolent Bacon Burgers" look
like (cooking in bacon fat, sosueme).

https://i.postimg.cc/0jHCTfzj/Sweet-Earth-Bacon-Burger.jpg

Yes, they look like dog food and smell like it too.

And to compliment my new "Backup Bacon(tm)" comes another new
product called, "Backup Burger(tm)", which is also certified and
guaranteed to be "100% vegetarian animal-based food(tm)" (imagine
the uproar and free advertising for that semantically correct
statement)

https://i.postimg.cc/RF4GKqrS/Backjup-Burger-in-Pan.jpg

The Sweet Earth Burgers were terrible. The "bacon" was 98%
rehydrated vital wheat gluten and the "burger" was 95% rehydrated
pea protein concentrate (AKA "Textured Vegetable Protein")/ Andf
they were dry as Death Valley. The only thing we could taste was
artificial smoke and grill flavor. There were no amount of
condiments that could make it tastier or less dry. If they have
another free coupon, I would not partake in the gimmick again.

I was so glad that I had my "Backup Bacon(tm) Backup Burger(tm)"
that my eyes started watering and I started drooling and making cow
and swine sounds. I was so happy I had that backup plan that I was
halfway done with the BBBB before I realized I forgot to put the BB
on the bread! Doh! That's how good it was!

https://i.postimg.cc/yNFvDcbp/Backup-Burger-Forgot-Burger.jpg

Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".

-sw

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/16/2021 8:48 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> (Had this been a real Click-bait test, you all would have failed).
>
> A couple months ago they had "Sweet Earth" entrees for $1/each (up
> to 80% off). I looked at each of them and decided they weren't even
> worth the $1.
>
> https://www.goodnes.com/sweet-earth/
>
> But this week they had a coupon for 100% off (Limit 1 electronic
> coupon). So I "bought" the 2-pack of 1/4lb "Bacon Burgers with
> Benovelent Bacon(tm)". Normally they cost $6 without 100% coupon.
>
> First, the bacon:
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qRwwL008/Backup-Bacon.jpg
>

They must really be good if they give 100% off to get rid of them.

Thank you, based on your comments I'll wait for the "new and improved"
to try them.

[Master Bruce]

I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
"meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me. Although I
like tempeh even more.

I wonder why meat eaters even eat meat replacements. They have no
scruples or morals, so why not eat tortured industry meat, like the
sadistic Draculas that they are?

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
...

> Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
>
> -sw

Plant based is not new. This is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4

Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely done yet!

I'd eat it!


John Kuthe, RN. BSN...

[dsi1]

I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids seem to love that stuff.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/vXMwCPvwo1g/m/lTIRutW2vWsJ

Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9

[John Kuthe]

I like bones.

[Alex]

You were a bit wobbly taking that last photo.

Namaste

[Bryan Simmons]

And I don't know why a vegetarian would want a simulation of eating
killed animals. That's 100% admitting that meat is enjoyable.

--Bryan

[Master Bruce]

Of course it is. I like the taste of meat. I just don't want to
torture and kill animals. Duh.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:84f3c6ac-8f3d-4d41...@googlegroups.com...

===

Yum that looks lovely:) I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
flavour when I use it or not.

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 21:06:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/16/2021 8:48 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> (Had this been a real Click-bait test, you all would have failed).
>>
>> A couple months ago they had "Sweet Earth" entrees for $1/each (up
>> to 80% off). I looked at each of them and decided they weren't even
>> worth the $1.
>>
>> https://www.goodnes.com/sweet-earth/
>>
>> But this week they had a coupon for 100% off (Limit 1 electronic
>> coupon). So I "bought" the 2-pack of 1/4lb "Bacon Burgers with
>> Benovelent Bacon(tm)". Normally they cost $6 without 100% coupon.
>>
>> First, the bacon:
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/qRwwL008/Backup-Bacon.jpg
>>
>
> They must really be good if they give 100% off to get rid of them.

Nope. This is their initial investment push to "bring awareness" to
their product line. What? You didn't sink all your investment
capital into these? You FOOL!

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 02:17:42 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons wrote:

> And I don't know why a vegetarian would want a simulation of eating
> killed animals. That's 100% admitting that meat is enjoyable.

Exactly. I've expressed the same sentiment dozens of different ways
in the past, and yours is as good or better than any.

-sw

[Gary]

Master Bruce wrote:
> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.

No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.

> I wonder why meat eaters even eat meat replacements.

You just said above that you've tried them.

> They have no
> scruples or morals, so why not eat tortured industry meat, like the
> sadistic Draculas that they are?

lol

[Cindy Hamilton]

I tried a Beyond Burger just to see what the fuss is all about. IIRC my
"backup burger" was scrambled eggs.

Some omnivores might eat meat replacements because they think the
replacements are more healthful than beef.

Cindy Hamilton

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> Some omnivores might eat meat replacements because they think the
> replacements are more healthful than beef.

after reading the ingredients of most popular ones i'd say
they're not all that much healthier, but in terms of impact
on the environment they might be better. we'll see what
happens. me, i like beans, so that is a good enough meat
replacement for my purposes and i'm glad i can grow most of
the beans we eat here at home in the gardens so i know those
are better for the environment.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

|One of my beefs about vegetarians is their use of faux meats. I have
had vegetarians try to foist things like veggie dogs and veggie burgers
on me and telling me they taste just like meat. They don't taste as much
like meat as meat does.

[Gary]

Sqwertz wrote:
> https://i.postimg.cc/yNFvDcbp/Backup-Burger-Forgot-Burger.jpg

That spread looks very tasty to me, regardless of real or fake meat

[Graham]

Yet I would wager that veggies decry the consumption of processed foods.

[Dave Smith]

Funny how that works. My friend and his wife don't eat much meat. When
that new vegetable based faux meat was being flogged last year they were
going to try it. However, they looked at the ingredient list and were
appalled at the chemical content.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I don't like beans all that well, but I also eat a lot of vegetarian
meals. I just finished up a bowl of vegetable soup (yes, with beans in
it), a bit of cheese, and a slice of bread.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
acceptable burger.

[Gary]

Master Bruce wrot

> I like the taste of meat. I just don't want to
> torture and kill animals. Duh.

Simple solution there. Let others torture and kill the animals.
Buy nice meat in the grocery store.

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:05:30 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

All y'all don't get it. I guess meat's not very good for the brain.

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:48:43 -0500, Dave Smith

I like fake meat. If the ingredient list isn't a kilometre long, I'll
eat it occasionally. What do meat eaters know about meat alternatives
anyway :)

[Master Bruce]

Wager away, Dracula.

[Master Bruce]

But the worst ingredient was missing: animal suffering.

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:24:53 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> Master Bruce wrote:
>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>
>No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.

I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
baby food, but not bad. But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.

>> I wonder why meat eaters even eat meat replacements.
>
>You just said above that you've tried them.

Yes, but I'm not a meat eater.

[Master Bruce]

Yes, maybe. Or for environmental reasons.

According to the WHO, some meats are as bad for you as smoking, but
not the lean meats if I remember correctly.

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:38:22 -0500, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Yes, beans can be a good meat replacement. Unless you need a bloody
steak every day and enjoy the taste of heated up blood, I guess.

[Master Bruce]

That attitude may work for you.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
> acceptable burger.

None of which have any protein to speak of.

I'd rather have falafel.

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:29:57 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> ...
>>> Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
>>> you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
>>> Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
>>>
>>> -sw
>> Plant based is not new. This is:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
>>
>> Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely done yet!
>>
>> I'd eat it!
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
>
> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids seem to love that stuff.

2 years ago you PROMISED us that these meat replicators were the
future of meat and in 20 years we'd all have one of them on our
counters.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:32:02 +1100, John Kuthe wrote:

> I like bones.

That makes you a boner. Don't get near Gregory!

-sw

[Bryan Simmons]

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 2:33:41 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
> >> acceptable burger.
>

It's not a burger. It's zucchini on a bun. When I make my vegetarian, Chinese
inspired stir fry, I don't think of it as minus meat. It stands on its own. It even
has a bit of protein, as it has mushrooms and cashews.

> >
> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
> >
> >I'd rather have falafel.
> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>

Myoglobin is yummy. If we really wanted to eliminate animal cruelty, we
could sterilize animals like wolves and lions out of existence. They kill in
much more awful ways than most humans do. What you say, Master Bruce?

--Bryan

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:37:18 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Did he promise it or did he guess it?

[GM]

Sqwertz wrote

> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:32:02 +1100, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > I like bones.
>
> That makes you a boner. Don't get near Gregory!

Lol...we see that The Dwarf is getting aroused....

--
Best
Greg

[Master Bruce]

They don't have a choice, we do.

[jmcquown]

I've been pointing out the outrageous chemical ingredients in plant
based faux meat for a couple of decades. Boca Burgers and Morningstar
Farms faux meat products have been around for a long time. Funny, after
a big push by Burger King for their "plant based" burgers, the ads have
all but disappeared.

Jill

[Master Bruce]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:03:18 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

It's funny that RFC never cares about ingredients, as long as it fits
in the piehole. But bring up meat replacements and they're suddenly
very worried about ingredients. Ghe ghe.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:29:57 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> >> > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> >> > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> >> >
> >> > -sw
> >> Plant based is not new. This is:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >>
> >> Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely done yet!
> >>
> >> I'd eat it!
> >>
> >>
> >> John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
> >
> >I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids seem to love that stuff.

> >https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/vXMwCPvwo1g/m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
> >
> >Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> I like bones.
I like Southern fried chicken but in my state of depression, I'm not up to frying up thighs with bones. Boneless thighs are pretty much the chicken of Hawaii and certain Asian countries. This is just Southern fried chicken done in a Hawaiian style.

[dsi1]

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> news:84f3c6ac-8f3d-4d41...@googlegroups.com...

> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > ...
> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> > >
> > > -sw
> > Plant based is not new. This is:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >
> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
> > done yet!
> >
> > I'd eat it!
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
>
> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
> seem to love that stuff.
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/vXMwCPvwo1g/m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
>
> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9

> ===
>
> Yum that looks lovely:) I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
> flavour when I use it or not.
It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

[Master Bruce]

None of them? I thought the US was almost as much of a melting pot as
Australia.

[Hank Rogers]

<*SNIFF*>

[Cindy Hamilton]

Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
eat anything that will fit into your piehole?

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

People? No. Corporations? Yes.

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
>> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
>> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
>> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
>> >> acceptable burger.
>> >
>> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
>> >
>> >I'd rather have falafel.
>> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>
>Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
>eat anything that will fit into your piehole?

I want to like the flavour, I want enough vegetables and I don't want
to be hungry afterwards. But I don't have a specific daily need for
protein that I'm aware of. Maybe that's because I always get enough of
it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.

Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.

I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.

It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.

Cindy Hamilton

[songbird]

dsi1 wrote:
...

> It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

never. it gives me headaches if too much is added to things.
right now the only thing we eat that has some in it is the
mushroom soup.


songbird

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.

it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
protein.

with the assumption that how much of that is fat? in my
case i'm carrying a few extra lbs, but anyways that's a lot
more than i get, especially in the winter and i don't notice
a problem having less.

in the summer when i'm more active i can double or triple
my diet of calories and protein and it works out well.

> Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.
>
> I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
> or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.
>
> It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.

i just make sure i eat a variety of things and it all works
out ok.


songbird

[Gary]

A balanced diet can be a daily thing, not necessarily a "per meal" issue
unless you have diabetes or something else heinous.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:23:46 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
> > For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.
> it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
> protein.

Possibly. I just estimated my protein intake. The obvious sources (milk, cheese,
meat, yogurt) add up to about 35 grams per day for me. The unobvious sources
might give me another 10 grams, tops. Let's call it 5 to be safe. That's 40 grams
on an average day. The CDC recommends between 51 and 177 grams per
day for my age, BMI, and activity level. That huge range kind of makes me wonder,
though.

Looks like a little more protein would be good for me.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Master Bruce wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>
>> Master Bruce wrote:

>>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>>

>> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
>
> I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
> baby food, but not bad.

Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
were always better there.

Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.

I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
surfing was the main event there.


> But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
> the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.

Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.

OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.

[Gary]

Master Bruce wrote:
> Yes, beans can be a good meat replacement. Unless you need a bloody
> steak every day and enjoy the taste of heated up blood, I guess.

White mushrooms cut into 1/2" chunks (not thin sliced) are a decent meat
substitute in many dishes. They don't taste like meat but the texture is
similar.

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 03:11:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Nevertheless, you worry about something I never worry about. Maybe I'd
worry about eating enough protein during a famine.

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:23:29 -0500, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Yes, it sorts itself out automatically. Just make sure you don't go on
a carrot diet or a sherry diet or something extreme like that.

[Master Bruce]

Oh no!

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:03:05 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> Master Bruce wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>>>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>>>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>>>
>>> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>>> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
>>
>> I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
>> baby food, but not bad.

Actually, the bun was probably largely to blame for that. Crappy
bread.

>Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
>surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
>were always better there.
>
>Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
>general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
>movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.
>
>I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
>food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
>surfing was the main event there.
>
>> But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
>> the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.

Yes, that's my experience too.

>Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
>I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
>condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>
>OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
>on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
>like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardenburger>

[Gary]

dsi1 wrote:
> It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods.
> If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like
> there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants
> it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG

> My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

I never make potato salad. I do like the flavor of MSG and even bought a
small container of it 2-3 years ago. Still haven't used it. I never
think to use it plus I'm not even sure what to add it to anyway.

[dsi1]

You'd put MSG in meatloaf or mashed potatoes but not in apple pie. I got a good handle on umami because I was raised on the stuff.

[dsi1]

You would probably have liked the loco moco. It's a dish that was tailor made for surfers.
https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/content/where-eat-loco-moco-hilo-town-invented-it

[dsi1]

The US is about as much a melting pot as Australia i.e., neither of them treat their native peoples with much respect. They're about the same in that respect.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
>> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
>> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
>> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
>> >> acceptable burger.
>> >
>> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
>> >
>> >I'd rather have falafel.
>> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>
>Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
>eat anything that will fit into your piehole?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
your potato latkes be my guest.

No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
attention you will die.

I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
likely from seafood.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:30:11 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

>I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
>vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
>the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
>stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
>Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
>life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
>the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
>your potato latkes be my guest.
>
>No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
>sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
>fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
>fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
>attention you will die.
>
>I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
>that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
>buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
>consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
>likely from seafood.
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3

Amazing how much nonsense you can dump in one post. Your crap density
is amazingly high.

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:23:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1

It's not easy to deal with Aboriginals. Give them a house and they
make a fire of the floors and door frames during a cold night. Ask
them if they want to live their original lifestyle and they say No.
Give them money and they spend it on alcohol. They seem to be falling
through the crack between 2 civilisations.
>
If you have the solution, don't hold back.
>

[bruce bowser]

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 9:12:06 PM UTC-5, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> ...
> > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> >
> > -sw
> Plant based is not new. This is:

Soy burgers have been around since ... forever?

[Hank Rogers]

Easy for Popeye ... He's full of shit.

[Sheldon Martin]

Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Beans have all the amino acids except methionine. Corn has methionine. Eating
both provides a complete set of amino acids.

Brazil nuts, spinach, hemp seeds, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, and oats all
contain a good deal of methionine.

And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
proteins.

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

14% of the world is vegan if vegetarian and the number is growing.
Something tells me they're doing alright.

>And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
>proteins.

I'm afraid Sheldon won't know the difference between vegetarians and
vegans. He probably can't even spell the words. He'll misspell them
and then call someone else an illiterate high school dropout in the
same post.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I know. We've told him the difference on multiple occasions, but he's incapable
of learning.

Still, it has to be done. Bullshit like that must be corrected.

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:43:43 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Yes, we can't give up hope.

[Gary]

dsi1 wrote:
> You would probably have liked the loco moco. It's a dish that was tailor made for surfers.
> https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/content/where-eat-loco-moco-hilo-town-invented-it

I've heard of that. Probably from you.

Favorite food for surfers in my areas were sub sandwiches.
Marcuchi subs in Rhode Island and Mister Jim's and Zeroes in Virginia
Beach. All 3 were such an excellent feast for lunch.

The occasional trip to an A&W drive-in for rootbeer and onion rings were
good too.

Also a chicken place that sold small, whole fried battered clams. Yum.

[Gary]

Thanks. I thought they were spelled a bit different. Anyway, they were
tasty enough.

[Master Bruce]

That must be the German in you.

[Hank Rogers]

A dutchman is just a german wearing wooden shoes ... and whining.

[dsi1]

I don't have any solution. I'm not Australian. My guess is that blaming them for all their problems ain't working out that great. It never does.

[dsi1]

I used to go to A&W back in high school. The root beer was pretty good and the onion rings were fascinating. They were the first onion ring product that was an extruded. I was always interested in how food was produced. The foods I ate when I was a teen was pretty good because it was eaten out of the house and you could decide for yourself what you would eat. It tasted like freedom.
The other day I had boneless kalbi and kim chee fried rice for breakfast. That was some good! This morning I had a Starbucks impossible breakfast sandwich - it was called that because it had a plant based material that resembled pork sausage. It was no great shakes but then again, neither is real pork sausage.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8CYgQMQhUaABxMwb7

[Master Bruce]

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:27:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1

I don't blame them. I'm just observing that they're falling through
the cracks and I don't have a solution.
>