Tort reform
Steve B
lawyers who need to be reformed. Let me share my story.
In October of 2004, while working for a mega corporation in Las Vegas at a
convention, as a union worker, I was injured by an uninsured unlicensed
contractor.
The man was driving me to get a 10,000# forklift. I was on the back of a
three wheel electric cart, facing backward. It was raining. The man had an
umbrella in front of him to shield himself from the rain. By doing so, he
couldn't see what was coming, and drove us under a parked semi trailer. I
was struck in the rear of the head by the trailer, and hit my head again
when I hit the concrete. Concussion, unconsciousness, cuts, abrasions.
This man was flown out of town within thirty minutes and not drug tested. I
went to the hospital for CAT scans and all sorts of stuff. I spent two
years recovering until I was stable enough to rate medically. During that
time, I talked to my case manager for worker's comp a total of one time. I
had to fight for every test, making appeal after appeal, and waiting to the
29th day of the 30 day legal limit, then they'd approve the test or
treatment. I tried to have my left shoulder treated, but because I signed
some piece of paper in the hospital while still semiconscious and strapped
to a body board, they didn't know about my shoulder at that time. It was
disallowed, and disallowed on appeal.
Five plus years later, I have permanent speech, cognitive, and balance
problems. Memory problems. Headaches. PTSD.
The other day, the letter comes from the lawyer.
Case dismissed under the Richards Decision by the Nevada Supreme Court where
any employee takes as full payment worker's compensation NO MATTER WHAT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE ACCIDENT WERE. Bought and paid for by lobbyists of the
Nevada corporations.
So, I'm left with lifelong residual effects, and zero compensation, except
for their computed lost wages, and some money to "learn" another job.
Basically about half of what I lost in wages.
Tort reform needs to happen two ways. One for these people who spill hot
coffee in their own laps while juggling Chihuahuas, and people who have a
valid suit, but who lose because of legal chicanery or laws written to
hamstring them.
But it ain't gonna happen. The man with the gold makes the rules, that's
the Golden Rule.
But I believe that every man shall give an accounting of his life at some
time and to some thing, and at those times, I believe they see for the first
time they are in deep deep shit. If there is no God, it don't matter. If
there is, then justice be served.
And then, there's those who will go postal and collect their own debts.
Steve
Ned Simmons
<desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>So, I'm left with lifelong residual effects, and zero compensation, except
>for their computed lost wages, and some money to "learn" another job.
>Basically about half of what I lost in wages.
>
>Tort reform needs to happen two ways. One for these people who spill hot
>coffee in their own laps while juggling Chihuahuas, and people who have a
>valid suit, but who lose because of legal chicanery or laws written to
>hamstring them.
>
IOW, one set of rules for Steve, and another for everyone else.
Hypocrisy, irony, and cognitive dissonance are the topics for today.
Discuss among yourselves.
--
Ned Simmons
Ed Huntress
"Ned Simmons" <ne...@nedsim.com> wrote in message
news:8606j5th3om6uo8gv...@4ax.com...
Steve's problem here is not tort lawyers. It's the corporate lobby that made
Workman's Compensation law a one-sided deal that limits the liability of
corporations.
The lawyers are just hired mechanics. It's lobbying that he needs to reform.
--
Ed Huntress
Snag
Fuck you , Neddie . I also got screwed by the system . Hit from behind by
an old man (panicked and hit the GAS) , totalled a motorcycle , nearly
totalled me . I'm also left with permanent problems , and was barely
compensated for my direct losses and medical treatment .
--
Snag
Ned Simmons
wrote:
Then you should be pissed off at Steve, not me. It's Steve who wants
fair treatment for himself, and everyone else be damned, in his
conception of tort reform.
--
Ned Simmons
Wes
>I also got screwed by the system . Hit from behind by
>an old man (panicked and hit the GAS) , totalled a motorcycle , nearly
>totalled me . I'm also left with permanent problems , and was barely
>compensated for my direct losses and medical treatment .
Michigan has unlimited medical coverage in our auto insurance. Makes rates higher but if
you get messed up, it is worth it.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Steve B
Get fucked, Ned.
Ned Simmons
<desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>"Ned Simmons" <ne...@nedsim.com> wrote in message
>news:8606j5th3om6uo8gv...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:27:45 -0800, "Steve B"
>> <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>So, I'm left with lifelong residual effects, and zero compensation, except
>>>for their computed lost wages, and some money to "learn" another job.
>>>Basically about half of what I lost in wages.
>>>
>>>Tort reform needs to happen two ways. One for these people who spill hot
>>>coffee in their own laps while juggling Chihuahuas, and people who have a
>>>valid suit, but who lose because of legal chicanery or laws written to
>>>hamstring them.
>>>
>>
>> IOW, one set of rules for Steve, and another for everyone else.
>>
>> Hypocrisy, irony, and cognitive dissonance are the topics for today.
>> Discuss among yourselves.
>>
>> --
>> Ned Simmons
>
>Get fucked, Ned.
>
Merry Christmas to you too, Steve.
But I'm disappointed. You ought to be able to come up with some
self-serving rationalization for why you should be compensated for
your injury by whoever it was you were suing (who was it, by the
way?), while everyone else can pound sand.
--
Ned Simmons
Ned Simmons
I don't know what Steve's problem is, but I'm guessing its
relationship to lawyers and lobbyists is incidental.
--
Ned Simmons
ATP*
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
news:fnab07-...@news.infowest.com...
It sucks that you got a raw deal, but you're not going to collect anything
by "going postal". Stop listening to Gunner and just try to do the bast you
can with what you've got.
Ed Huntress
He needs tar babies to blame his troubles on, and he just grabs the softest
targets. It's like Gunner with his liberals.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Merry Christmas, Ed.
And fuck you.
Steve
Steve B
"ATP*" <waxwin...@azurepane.com> wrote in message
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I do. I have an income stream and security independent of any of that.
That was just going to be for the grandkids. I shall not go postal, but I
have read of many people who have. And in the end, I personally believe
that we all get what we have coming to us. And I do believe that things are
going to get very much worse before anything gets even a tiny bit better.
It don't make much to me, as I don't have a lot of time left anyway. I, as
every generation before me, fear for my children and grandchildren.
Merry Christmas to All.
Steve
Ed Huntress
And to you, too, Steve. Enjoy your various bigotries, racial and otherwise.
'Tis the season.
--
Ed Huntress
Up North
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
Merry Christmas Ed!
Thanks for being on this group.
Steve
Ed Huntress
"Up North" <som...@someware.net> wrote in message
news:hh0ra...@enews6.newsguy.com...
And the same to you in both regards, Steve.
This is our first white Christmas in years. I'm loving it -- especially
since my son is home to do the shoveling. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
We got some of that today too - first time in ages.
Merry White Christmas, ya'll.
Richard
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Well, you probably appreciate it even more than we do. Enjoy it; it won't be
around for long.
Merry Christmas to you, too, Richard.
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
I took pictures already.
D is going to go out and make a snowman (she's never done that!)
and store some snowballs for summer.
Yeah - I know. I remember Bill Cosby's piece about it.
But I don't want to ruin her fun...
As long as she doesn't throw them at ME!
Richard
Ed Huntress
Oh, boy, you must have *real* snow. Watch out for those frozen snowballs
next summer. They tend to hit pretty hard after spending six months in the
freezer. Ask me how I know. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
<desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
I seldom target Liberals.
Leftwingers on the other hand....shrug
Leftwingers are almost human. Not quite..about like a gibbon compared to
a human being.
They are stupid, sub human, loud, tend to throw shit in all directions
and are utterly selfish, outlandish and buffoonish to the nth degree.
Liberals actually have brain cells. Granted..not as many as normal
people..but more than Leftists. Liberals can also grow more, and become
Conservatives. Leftards...shrug..they will never grow the nads nor brain
cells to ever be mistaken for human beings.
And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
them.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
cavelamb
Yeah. I figured you listened to Bill Cosby records too!
Ed Huntress
We soaked them in water and then shaved them into cubes on the street. Then
we put wax paper between them and tucked them away in my friend's big
freezer. Those suckers could kill you. Once our mothers found out about
them, the party was over.
'Good thing, probably.
--
Ed Huntress
>
Steve B
And thank you. At least I am not a closet bigot. Or some adolescent clique
type old fart that will talk of other people in the third person, but not
have the balls to speak face to face to that person, or when that person is
in the same room. Some people are NOT in my class, I will be first to tell
you that. I don't mind spending time with myself, and I don't require
companionship enough to put up with morons and hypocrites of your ilk.
Steve
ATP*
out, so don't imagine the worst possible outcome. I think our kids and
grandkids will do just fine.
Ed Huntress
Yeah, you're a classy guy, all right. May your own company be a comfort to
you in this holiday season, Steve.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
Hah. Spent the day with more than a dozen relatives yesterday. Got more
coming to my house today. Family and kids coming in tomorrow because they
had to work today. (LEO's) Bringing the grandkids to stay for a week.
Then we drive to San Diego for a visit with some friends, then off for a
cruise.
I don't spend much time alone, but it doesn't bother me to. I prefer being
alone to spending it with some people.
Do you have this esp all the time, or does it just come and go? And are the
hallucinations getting any better? Maybe time to change those meds.
Love to keep talking to you, but I need to go trim my toenails.
Hope your Christmas is happy, Mr. Scrooge. May the New Year bring you
another plaything to obsess over on the Internet.
Steve, who's off to start some roasts and stuff for the guests.
Ed Huntress
<snip>
You know, Steve, I was just looking for your "nigger" remarks and I think
I've been making a big mistake. There is "SteveB," and there is "Steve B,"
which show up with two different e-mail addresses.
It looks like I may have been attributing someone else's remarks to you. If
so, I apologize. That's the entire basis of my antagonistic attitude. In
fact, I couldn't figure this out, because I've read your posts for a long
time, and I couldn't figure how a guy who sounds entirely reasonable could
also be an outright racist pig.
So I'll try to pay attention to whether I'm talking to SteveB or Steve B in
the future. AFAIC, I'm re-setting this discussion from zero. Again, that
appears to have been my fault all the way.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
To avoid further confusion, I am racist. I dislike ********s of any color.
I left home at 15, and have worked hard all my life. I never let the horror
of my childhood be a reason to be a bum or criminal. I do not like
overeducated people, or undereducated ones, as I see this as a sign of
laziness. I'm hardcore, but soft hearted. I may give a guy $5 who asks for
a quarter, but the next one I may tell go get a job. I was always one of
the first ones on a job and one of the last ones to leave. I was always the
guy out there working in the rain when the others were hiding in the
doghouse. I haven't mellowed over the years, except now I get in fewer fist
fights. Still not opposed to dispensing ass kickings where appropriate,
though. Would be the first one to go over if your house burned down and ask
you if you needed help, and I'd be the one pulling you out of the ditch.
I'd also be the one to step up with a gun or pepper spray and intervene in a
bad situation.
I'm at the sunset of my life with some major medical problems, so I really
don't give a shit about a lot of things any more, and am not bothered about
stating what's going through my mind at those times. I'm KumBaYa'd out. My
fuzzy feel good thing ain't broke, and I still like puppies, fireplaces,
just out of the oven cookies, and screaming grandkids, but this "Can't we
all just get along" (and you pay for it) wears me out.
This is why I get so upset when someone like lawyers, who are just ********s
who wear ties, politicians *************s with their own caste remuneration
system, and other various societal leeches get away with what they get away
with.
No need to reset to zero. I may have said some of the things you took
offense to. If I did, just cope. I don't always agree with your POV,
either. If we all did, we'd be in lock step, which is the way we are being
herded, now from the age of being able to speak. History shows us that
being a vocal activist can be a good thing.
Enjoy your day, and hope the coming year is good to you.
Steve
pyotr filipivich
about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:30 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
>them.
As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
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>"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>news:c56f07-...@news.infowest.com...
>
><snip>
>
>You know, Steve, I was just looking for your "nigger" remarks and I think
>I've been making a big mistake. There is "SteveB," and there is "Steve B,"
>which show up with two different e-mail addresses.
For sure there are lots of steves, but there's no question that it's
SteveB who's the overt racist. Although it's unclear if he intended to
use his regular handle when he posted the example below.
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I assume that when he wrote "At least I am not a closet bigot", he
meant that being an overt bigot is better than being sneaky about it.
But that's a failed argument as well since it's clear that he's using
multiple names.
>I couldn't figure how a guy who sounds entirely reasonable
<chuckle> That must be some other steveb you're thinking of. The one
in question says he needs a police scanner and a handgun to drive in
LV, but on a different day gives tourist advice about the city without
mentioning that he's scared to visit there unless armed. And he thinks
that there should be one kind of legal recourse for him, but that
others should be SOL. It sounds to me like he was waiting for his ship
to come in but it broke up on Karma Rock instead.
Wayne
Gunner Asch
Damn Steve...sure we aint twins?
Of course..Im the nasty one.....shrug
Michael A. Terrell
pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
> about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:30 -0800 did write/type or cause to
> appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
> >them.
>
> As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
What if the horses are liberals?
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
>about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:30 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
>>them.
>
> As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
Oh but of course! There are certain Standards one must observe!
But...one must also allow the dogs and cats to feed on the mush as well.
Afterall..Leftwingers are cheaper than bagged dog food, or even canned
horse meat...and its far far kinder to the wild horses.
Gunner
>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
wmbjk...@citlink.net
Nope, as far as we can tell at least he pays his bills. Then again,
you are both phonies. Example - he says he's a good guy except for
being proud of being a racist. You insist that you're not a racist,
yet it's obvious that you're happy to associate with them. Crackpots
of a feather stick together I suppose.
Wayne
Gunner Asch
Horses ass perhaps......
Ed Huntress
<wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
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I was assuming that I have all of the "Steve B" and "SteveB" handles messed
up, so I have to give this Steve B the benefit of the doubt. I don't know
who posted what.
I don't know what info on a header is telling and what is not. Are you
saying it's certain that the one who shouts "nigger" and this Steve are one
and the same?
--
Ed Huntress
wmbjk...@citlink.net
Absolutely. And I see that he pretty much admitted it in a weasely
fashion about the same time I posted the headers. He hasn't explained
why he signed the offending post "Newton Smith". Maybe that's his real
name, or perhaps he intended to use a different hosting account and
screwed up. (ever notice how many crackpot posts sound the same?)
I assumed that he was drunk, which isn't all bad because that's often
when one sees another's true measure. His excuse for being a racist
seems to be that he's old and broke down. Which is pathetically weak,
just like a whole bunch of his other "thinking", such as trying to
categorize racism as a mere difference of opinion. Ironically, if he'd
been smart enough to keep his mouth shut in public about his
cockamamie beliefs, he'd be far more likely to get help from other
posters. A few days ago I drove >300 miles to help a friend who has
some problems in common with Steve, who wouldn't qualify for the time
of day from me.
Wayne
Denis G.
> "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4b34fb66$0$22527$607e...@cv.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Steve B" <deserttra...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
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> - Show quoted text -
When you claim to work hard, I’m guessing that you mean that you work
hard with your back and your hands. That’s something to be proud of.
It’s a shame that you don’t put equal effort in judging people. Being
racist is a lazy man’s game. You don’t have to bother about learning
about different individuals and determining what kind of metal or
character they have. Instead, take the easy way out, put them in a
group, and pass judgment based upon an accident of birth (skin color
or nationality). What’s important in life is not what you were given
at birth, it's what you do with what you were given. That’s the true
measure of a man. I don't care about anything else.
Ed Huntress
>
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b34fb66$0$22527$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:c56f07-...@news.infowest.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>
> color.
Just clear up one thing for me. Are you the same guy as SteveB, the one who
talks about "niggers"?
--
Ed Huntress
ATP*
<wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:1jbaj5daovcnf8tj1...@4ax.com...
Looking at the headers, do you really think anyone would list their email as
oldf...@depends.com? I think it was someone impersonating Steve or simply
trolling.
Ignoramus20496
And did Steve refer to Niggers or some other racial group?
Regarding Steve's original complaint about tort reform: it is great to
be young, healthy, and to make good money. In this sort of position,
it only comes naturally to want low taxes, "tort reform" that would
lower costs for all except tort victims, low health insurance rates
that would take their health into account, etc.
For victims of workplace injury, the perspective changes and, of
course, they want to be able to compensated for the amount that they
think is fair, which is usually more than workers' comp provides.
So, once something goes wrong, like one suddenly gets old, sick,
injured, the old preferences no longer seem reasonable. That's natural
human reaction to changing circumstances.
The question to ask would be, what sort of world would we want our
kids or grandkids to live in. Would we want them to be left without
compensation if they get injured? Would we want them to be able to
obtain affordable health coverage if they are not healthy? Would we
want them to take advantage of vibrant economy, financial stability,
etc?
I think that these sorts of questions are easier to answer when their
focus is something other than ourselves.
I am still not particularly old (38) and not particularly unhealthy,
despite some mundane health issues, and I have a decent income that
exceeds my needs by some margin. I also managed not to lose money last
year or in '2000.
But I am foreseeing that my fortune will, or at least may, reverse one
day and I want to live in a society that lets young people to reach
their potential and the older people to enjoy fruits of their labor.
I am very aware of various possibilities for me to "lose everything"
and I keep trying to avoid them. This is actually more of my concern
than making the top dollar in everything or the highest return in
investments.
i
Ed Huntress
"Ignoramus20496" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.20496.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2009-12-25, Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:hpdf07-...@news.infowest.com...
>>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4b34fb66$0$22527$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c56f07-...@news.infowest.com...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> To avoid further confusion, I am racist. I dislike ********s of any
>>> color.
>>
>> Just clear up one thing for me. Are you the same guy as SteveB, the one
>> who
>> talks about "niggers"?
>>
>
> And did Steve refer to Niggers or some other racial group?
"SteveB" does it a lot. Whether that's the same Steve B is the question I'm
asking.
As usual, sensible comments. <g> Now, ask these guys what they mean by "tort
reform."
--
Ed Huntress
Denis G.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Strike "metal" -- insert "mettle". <doh!>
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:42:54 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
> >> about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:30 -0800 did write/type or cause to
> >> appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >> >
> >> >And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
> >> >them.
> >>
> >> As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
> >
> >
> >
> > What if the horses are liberals?
>
> Horses ass perhaps......
Every horse has one. It's just that some walk backwards. :)
ATP*
"Ignoramus20496" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.20496.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:hpdf07-...@news.infowest.com...
>>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4b34fb66$0$22527$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c56f07-...@news.infowest.com...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> To avoid further confusion, I am racist. I dislike ********s of any
>>> color.
>>
>> Just clear up one thing for me. Are you the same guy as SteveB, the one
>> who
>> talks about "niggers"?
>>
>
> And did Steve refer to Niggers or some other racial group?
>
spot on.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
The goofy from and reply-to fields have been his thing for a while.
They change a bit now and then, probably when he's had computer
trouble and has to re-enter the info. Anyway, that kind of self
deprecation is at least humorous.
> I think it was someone impersonating Steve or simply
>trolling.
Nope. All his headers are the same. See for yourself by pulling up the
two below in separate tabs in your browser and then switching back and
forth to compare.
racist post -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cc547e8bdece2d18?dmode=source
normal (for him) post, from the same month -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/6bea8652bbddee6a?dmode=source
He's just another racist crackpot, it's not like there's any shortage
of them on Usenet. The closest I can come to minimizing his behavior
is to say that at least he didn't try to outright-lie his way out of
his irrational attitude. Although he's not shy about putting an
outrageously stupid spin on it. In fact, one doesn't even need to look
at the headers if you're a regular reader. SteveB likes to advertise
his mile wide ignorant streak by frequently failing to reason his way
out of a wet paper bag. It's only a small step down for him to expose
that ignorance a little more blatantly from time to time, and it
probably happens when he's been drinking or is pissed off. He'd have
responded to my posts by dumping another load of crap by now if he
hadn't recently claimed to have killfiled me... again. :-)
Wayne
Steve B
What is is. What ain't ain't. Anyone here who speaks as if they aren't
racist in some way is just a plain dishonest racist.
Steve
Steve B
I munge my e mail to reduce spam. I recently munged it again to
fishmail.net, which is one letter from being my exact e mail. I have
published it here in this group exactly. I recently got a new computer
after the last one died. I do not morph like some people here do. I keep
SteveB or Steve B, so that if people don't like what I write, they can
simply killfile me or not read it. Some, however, do not have the
intelligence to do so. I have been here a long long time, and am not hard
to identify. Or find.
Steve
Steve B
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Being full of horseshit does not immediately qualify or identify one as a
liberal!
Look around.
Steve
Ed Huntress
I'll take that as a "yes," but it would have been more straightforward if
you just said so.
Conversation over. Forget what I said before.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
Once again, Ed, I have disappointed you. I regret that I am not perfect in
every way. Like you are. You still find the need to set me straight, and
to correct my every word. I do hope you get over it and get over yourself.
It has to suck to be you.
What did you say before?
Steve
Michael A. Terrell
Steve B wrote:
>
> Being full of horseshit does not immediately qualify or identify one as a
> liberal!
>
> Look around.
I did when I bought this place. The stables are empty, except for
scrap metal. :)
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
pyotr filipivich
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:42:54
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
>
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
>> about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:30 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>> appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>> >
>> >And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
>> >them.
>>
>> As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
>
> What if the horses are liberals?
Well, horses aren't very bright, or so I'm told. I'm also told
that what most people consider "high spirited" real horsemen (and
women, as in this case; those who made a living on horseback) consider
"hysteric". Which is one more reason mules are so popular for some
kinds of work - they're much more stable (they get that part from the
Donkey side of the family).
So, the modern riding horse, like most liberals, as high strung,
prone to being spooked by the littlest thing. But they are already
-usually- broken to saddle, so they can be useful.
Just keep the flashy shiny things, loud noises and sudden motions
away form them.
Same goes for the horses.
Gunner Asch
Shrug..Im about as far from being racist as one can be.
On the other hand..I do hate Leftwingers. But then..they are a threat to
the Nation...
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gunner Asch
Very very very true!
Which is why most cowboys ride Appy/Crosses.
They tend to be less "hysterical"
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:28:46 -0800, "Steve B"
> <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:4b3533d1$0$5020$607e...@cv.net...
> >>
> >> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
> >> news:hpdf07-...@news.infowest.com...
> >>>
> >>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:4b34fb66$0$22527$607e...@cv.net...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:c56f07-...@news.infowest.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> To avoid further confusion, I am racist. I dislike ********s of any
> >>> color.
> >>
> >> Just clear up one thing for me. Are you the same guy as SteveB, the one
> >> who talks about "niggers"?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ed Huntress
> >
> >What is is. What ain't ain't. Anyone here who speaks as if they aren't
> >racist in some way is just a plain dishonest racist.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> Shrug..Im about as far from being racist as one can be.
>
> On the other hand..I do hate Leftwingers. But then..they are a threat to
> the Nation...
Even you have to admit the leftwingers are in a race to the bottom...
Gunner Asch
Free fall...from low altitude.
It wont be long before they land on the cast iron fence pickets
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>Shrug..Im about as far from being racist as one can be.
Wrong as usual, nitwit. Want to genuinely become "as far from being
racist as one can be"? Then don't hang out with racists, and don't let
their crapola go unanswered.
>On the other hand..I do hate Leftwingers.
That's little different from hating minorities, which is why you and
steveb are like two peas in a pod.
> But then..they are a threat to
>the Nation...
The real threat is ignorance, as people like you and steveb
demonstrate day in and day out.
Wayne
Steve B
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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No, they are monitoring the race to see that everyone else goes to the
bottom, and they shall take the position of the "guard" in this
"guard/prisoner" scenario. There was a famous psychological experiment
decades ago where a psych class in college was divided into guards and
prisoners. A mock jail was set up. Within a couple of weeks, the
personalities changed greatly. It got hostile, and was terminated at the
verge of violence. In our case, they won't be "guards", but simply "public
servants".
Is this race thing all inclusive? If I go watch people drag race, does that
make me a racist? If so, give me a pit pass. I may be a racist, but at
least I'm honest about it.
If leftwingers succeed in making us all lower caste citizens under the
ruling class, will not the ruling class then be considered "racist"? I am
getting sooooooo confused.
Steve
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Even you have to admit the leftwingers are in a race to the bottom...
>
> Free fall...from low altitude.
>
Where is Gomez Addams when you really need him? :)
Michael A. Terrell
Steve B wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
>
> No, they are monitoring the race to see that everyone else goes to the
> bottom, and they shall take the position of the "guard" in this
> "guard/prisoner" scenario. There was a famous psychological experiment
> decades ago where a psych class in college was divided into guards and
> prisoners. A mock jail was set up. Within a couple of weeks, the
> personalities changed greatly. It got hostile, and was terminated at the
> verge of violence. In our case, they won't be "guards", but simply "public
> servants".
>
> Is this race thing all inclusive? If I go watch people drag race, does that
> make me a racist? If so, give me a pit pass. I may be a racist, but at
> least I'm honest about it.
>
> If leftwingers succeed in making us all lower caste citizens under the
> ruling class, will not the ruling class then be considered "racist"? I am
> getting sooooooo confused.
Their problem is that they are too stupid to make torches and not
willing to lower themselves to touch a pitchfork, so they will be
defenseless! :)
Ed Huntress
I said I apologized for mixing you up with the stinking racist pig who goes
by the handle "SteveB." I had assumed that I'd made a mistake, and you were
different people, and that I was looking at your posts with a jaundiced eye
because I assumed you were the same person.
--
Ed Huntress
pyotr filipivich
Mutts. For any serious work - mutts. Dogs, horses, mules - mixed
breeds seem to work best.
>
>They tend to be less "hysterical"
Give me hybrid vigor any day.
pyotr filipivich
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the other hand..I do hate Leftwingers. But then..they are a threat to
>>> the Nation...
>>
>>
>> Even you have to admit the leftwingers are in a race to the bottom...
>
>
>Free fall...from low altitude.
>
>It wont be long before they land on the cast iron fence pickets
You know, if you're not the lead lemming, the scenery never
changes - till the last movement.
What's the motto of a pack of lemmings?
"Trust the Leadership!"
pyotr
p.s. one advantage to being at the back of a pack of lemmings? No
peer pressure.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Indeed. All my working horses were Mutts..except for Charlie the
mule..and he too was a mutt....<G>
Gunner
>>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
pyotr filipivich
I have to admit, I do not know from expedience. Last time I was
on a horse, it was a retired plow horse, and I was under the age of
five. So I just pass along the words of wisdom from those I know and
respect, about the various qualities of horses, and other critters.
I should have included cats in the "best if a mutt" category.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
True indeed about cats. Ive a 8 month old male..a true Mutt..curled up
in the middle of my lap as I type this. The cat is one of the most
personable and smartest Ive ever owned..but somewhere he managed to hang
a claw and pull most of that toe out of its socket and loose. He let me
examine the wound..but when I got out the snippers to remove the
toe...he pulled his paw back and refused to give it to me until I put
the snippers away. Smart cat....chuckle. So he is simply going to have
to heal the best he can. Poor bastard keeps hanging that claw on
everything he touches..no control over it..and he will sit there, hung
on a piece of fabric..quietly mewling and waving his other paw at anyone
close to come over and free him. It was utterly astonishing that he did
this the first time..and the second..the third and so forth. He
obviously knows that people can do things he cant..so he is probably one
of the smartest cats Ive ever been blessed with.
Gunner
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
cavelamb
>>>> This is our first white Christmas in years. I'm loving it --
>>>> especially since my son is home to do the shoveling. d8-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> We got some of that today too - first time in ages.
>>>
>>> Merry White Christmas, ya'll.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>> Well, you probably appreciate it even more than we do. Enjoy it; it
>> won't be around for long.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to you, too, Richard.
>>
>
> I took pictures already.
>
> D is going to go out and make a snowman (she's never done that!)
> and store some snowballs for summer.
>
> Yeah - I know. I remember Bill Cosby's piece about it.
> But I don't want to ruin her fun...
>
> As long as she doesn't throw them at ME!
>
>
> Richard
Revenge!
http://www.willkern.com/Revenge.html
--
--
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Oh, jeez, if I ever heard that one, I forgot it. But Cosby was from Philly.
I lived in Trenton at that age. Right up the road. Same culture. Slushballs.
Frozen slushballs. And mothers who found out about them and wouldn't let us
throw them in the summer. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
Or dropped them in the iced tea pitcher.
It snowed again here tonight.
About 1/2" - wet.
Oh what fun...
Ed Huntress
There is so much for kids to learn about snowball warfare. For example, you
have to make dozens of snowballs and pack them into the sealed ammo lockers
in the walls of your fort. Then, when the cavalry division of the enemy
attacks on sleds, you have an ammo handler in the fort who breaks open the
lockers and keeps feeding you snowballs so you can maintain a heavy
defensive barrage. The slushballs are for last-ditch defense. They're only
fired at close range, because their trajectory arc makes them too easy to
dodge beyond 20 feet or so.
I'll bet that Texas kids never learn these things. Too bad. Oh well, 'hope
they have fun, anyway. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
Oh don't fret for us, pilgrim.
We have cow pies all year long!
Where do you think the idea for the Frisbee came from?
pyotr filipivich
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>>And they are great targets. When you blow one up..nobody cares or misses
>>>them.
>>
>> As long as you don't do it in the street and scare the horses...
>
>
>But...one must also allow the dogs and cats to feed on the mush as well.
>Afterall..Leftwingers are cheaper than bagged dog food, or even canned
>horse meat...and its far far kinder to the wild horses.
Everybody says you're such a hard man, and here I see your concern
for the poor dumb critters of the world. And the animals too. In the
words of Jose Wales "Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
pyotr
I'm remember a scene from "Winchester 73" I think was the title. James
Stewart rides into a boom town, looking for a place for the night.
Told that bunks are 25 cents, he finds that rather steep. Told that he
can board his horse for the night at the stable across the street for
50 cents, he 'lows as how that's a fair price.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Indeed. Critters are generally far far more valuable and frankly..more
intelligent than most Leftwingers. So are most jellyfish and similar
invertibrates.
And they actually play a roll in the ecology, unlike most Leftwingers.
Note I say Most...not all.
When bulldozed into mass graves..they can actually provide a bit of
fertilizer for plants and vegitation. But only a bit..much along the
lines of cat shit. Some things will grow in it..most things wont.
Gunner