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Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic
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zen cycle
Jan 28, 2024, 10:38:03 AMJan 28
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floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature and
makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
> I guess Junior is unable to dispute that the "study" was bogus
> because of too much missing information. It counted
> deaths, not necessarily deaths due to covid, it didn't factor in the
> fact people died because of hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and other
> reasons.
Of course, this isn't true. The study calculated excess death rate,
which would include things like hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and
other reasons.
You remember excess deaths, dontcha dumbass? That's the metric you and
the other two stooges keeping harping on as some sort of ludicrous
attempt at justifying the claim that the vaccines are killing more
people than they are curing. If you three keep chanting the algorithm
proves your point, you don't get to claim it's not relevant here*.
You're entitle to your own opinion, you aren't entitled to your own
facts.
> It didn't even factor in the age of the deceased (some
> counties have older populations).
And of course, this is completely untrue as well, and proves beyond the
shadow of a doubt that the willfully ignorant floriduh dumbass didn't
read the study before flaunting his willful ignorance.
From the study:
"A cross-sectional comparison of excess mortality between registered
Republican and Democratic voters between March 2020 and December 2021
adjusted for age and state of voter registration was conducted. "
Let's parse that out for the dumbass, just because we know he didn't
comprehend the importance of that passage due to his 4th grade reading
comprehension:
"adjusted for age"
Not only that, but Supplement 1 in the study (linked in the JAMA
article) contains 4 tables broken down by age, and the study used a
Poisson statistical regression model which very explicitly used age:
log (𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐}) = 𝛼{𝑝𝑎𝑐} + 𝛾{𝑎𝑠(𝑐)}𝜔{𝑡}
𝑌{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐} ∼ 𝑃𝑜𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛(𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐})
Where 𝛼 = age-bin
> IOW, there was no evidence
> presented that more Republicans died of covid than Democrats.
And of course, this is untrue as well. The study itself is evidence, and
also refers to other studies which suggest a causation of excess deaths
to party affiliation:
"Prior studies have found that Republican-leaning counties have had
higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties."
As with any study published in JAMA, It has an extensive list of
references used to create the study including the other studies linking
party affiliation to covid death rates.
> He was, however able to accept the leftist organization's undocumented
> rhetoric, though.
lol..Lots to unpack there, Let's start with undocumented - I guess in
floriduh dumbass world a research paper published in arguably the worlds
foremost medical journal with a list of 25 references is "undocumented".
Then of course there's "leftist":
I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone from the dumbshine state
would consider the American Medical Association to be a "leftist
organization", as if the medical industry were more interested in
pushing a political agenda than the Hippocratic oath. Yes, that would be
the position NRA stooges and magatards like the floriduh dumbass,
kunich, and the shitstain would take, regardless of well-documented
evidence to the contrary. Your claim is just as ridiculous as kunich
suggesting reports from DARPA and the DOD are "leftist claims".
>
> No surprise there.
Yes, dumbass, there is no surprise that you reach conclusions and make
statements as fact completely devoid of any intellectual rigor.
It would be nice if, for once, you might be able to make a claim and
support it using a verified source, rather than using the kunich and
shitstain tack of bloviating demonstrably false bullshit.
*Yes, dumbass, I know you haven't made any comment in this forum
regarding excess death conspiracy "theories", but given your penchant
for accepting any undocumented rhetoric that suits your mindset and
agenda, it's not that far of a leap.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature and
makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
> I guess Junior is unable to dispute that the "study" was bogus
> because of too much missing information. It counted
> deaths, not necessarily deaths due to covid, it didn't factor in the
> fact people died because of hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and other
> reasons.
Of course, this isn't true. The study calculated excess death rate,
which would include things like hurricanes, floods, bad weather, and
other reasons.
You remember excess deaths, dontcha dumbass? That's the metric you and
the other two stooges keeping harping on as some sort of ludicrous
attempt at justifying the claim that the vaccines are killing more
people than they are curing. If you three keep chanting the algorithm
proves your point, you don't get to claim it's not relevant here*.
You're entitle to your own opinion, you aren't entitled to your own
facts.
> It didn't even factor in the age of the deceased (some
> counties have older populations).
And of course, this is completely untrue as well, and proves beyond the
shadow of a doubt that the willfully ignorant floriduh dumbass didn't
read the study before flaunting his willful ignorance.
From the study:
"A cross-sectional comparison of excess mortality between registered
Republican and Democratic voters between March 2020 and December 2021
adjusted for age and state of voter registration was conducted. "
Let's parse that out for the dumbass, just because we know he didn't
comprehend the importance of that passage due to his 4th grade reading
comprehension:
"adjusted for age"
Not only that, but Supplement 1 in the study (linked in the JAMA
article) contains 4 tables broken down by age, and the study used a
Poisson statistical regression model which very explicitly used age:
log (𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐}) = 𝛼{𝑝𝑎𝑐} + 𝛾{𝑎𝑠(𝑐)}𝜔{𝑡}
𝑌{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐} ∼ 𝑃𝑜𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛(𝜆{𝑡𝑝𝑎𝑐})
Where 𝛼 = age-bin
> IOW, there was no evidence
> presented that more Republicans died of covid than Democrats.
And of course, this is untrue as well. The study itself is evidence, and
also refers to other studies which suggest a causation of excess deaths
to party affiliation:
"Prior studies have found that Republican-leaning counties have had
higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties."
As with any study published in JAMA, It has an extensive list of
references used to create the study including the other studies linking
party affiliation to covid death rates.
> He was, however able to accept the leftist organization's undocumented
> rhetoric, though.
lol..Lots to unpack there, Let's start with undocumented - I guess in
floriduh dumbass world a research paper published in arguably the worlds
foremost medical journal with a list of 25 references is "undocumented".
Then of course there's "leftist":
I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone from the dumbshine state
would consider the American Medical Association to be a "leftist
organization", as if the medical industry were more interested in
pushing a political agenda than the Hippocratic oath. Yes, that would be
the position NRA stooges and magatards like the floriduh dumbass,
kunich, and the shitstain would take, regardless of well-documented
evidence to the contrary. Your claim is just as ridiculous as kunich
suggesting reports from DARPA and the DOD are "leftist claims".
>
> No surprise there.
Yes, dumbass, there is no surprise that you reach conclusions and make
statements as fact completely devoid of any intellectual rigor.
It would be nice if, for once, you might be able to make a claim and
support it using a verified source, rather than using the kunich and
shitstain tack of bloviating demonstrably false bullshit.
*Yes, dumbass, I know you haven't made any comment in this forum
regarding excess death conspiracy "theories", but given your penchant
for accepting any undocumented rhetoric that suits your mindset and
agenda, it's not that far of a leap.
Tom Kunich
Jan 28, 2024, 11:28:23 AMJan 28
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funkma...@hotmail.com
Jan 28, 2024, 11:12:49 PMJan 28
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On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> You really have to be stupid to believe that party preference corrected for age would have the slightest effect on mortality.
You aren't bright enough to understand how the study factored age into the algorithm.
>
> You really have to be stupid to believe that party preference corrected for age would have the slightest effect on mortality.
> Do you ever bother to look in the mirror in the morning and realize what a total loser you are?
Rolf Mantel
Jan 29, 2024, 5:50:36 AMJan 29
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on mortality.
But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
expect it to have an effect on mortality.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 29, 2024, 6:08:35 AMJan 29
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:50:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<ne...@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 28.01.2024 um 17:28 schrieb Tom Kunich:
<ne...@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 28.01.2024 um 17:28 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:38:03?AM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>>> floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
>>> Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature
>>> and makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
>>>
>>> The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
>>>
>>> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
>>>
>>>
>>>
>It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
The "documentation" tells about a few, but not all the assumptions.
>>> floriduh dumbass once again flaunted his willful ignorance in
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/ddK7VutSAAAJ:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I finally took the time to read the study referenced in the article
>>> Frank linked, and as usual, the floriduh dumbass reads literature
>>> and makes conclusions that are contradicted by the facts.
>>>
>>> The report, its data, methods, and conclusions are here:
>>>
>>> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
>>>
>>>
>>>
>It isn't rhetoric, and it isn't undocumented.
Even when they document the assumptions, they're still assumptions.
sms
Jan 29, 2024, 6:38:58 PMJan 29
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On 1/29/2024 2:50 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
<snip>
> You would be stupid to assume that party preference has a *direct* effet
> on mortality.
> But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
> expect it to have an effect on mortality.
It is both correlation and causation.
"Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in
Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic"
<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2807617>
But you could likely see the same result if you went by education
levels, with the poorly educated voters less likely to get vaccinated,
more likely to be Republican, and more likely to believe in the fake
cures promoted by Trump et al.
You'd see the same results if you went by household wealth since
Democrats hold 44.6% more wealth than Republicans even though
Republicans have higher average incomes (42% of households making
$200,000+ are Democratic versus 58% of the households making $200,000+
are Republican). Obviously Democrats do better with their savings and
investments.
And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
(37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
<snip>
> You would be stupid to assume that party preference has a *direct* effet
> on mortality.
> But when party preference has an effet on vaxxination rates, you'd
> expect it to have an effect on mortality.
"Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in
Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic"
<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2807617>
But you could likely see the same result if you went by education
levels, with the poorly educated voters less likely to get vaccinated,
more likely to be Republican, and more likely to believe in the fake
cures promoted by Trump et al.
You'd see the same results if you went by household wealth since
Democrats hold 44.6% more wealth than Republicans even though
Republicans have higher average incomes (42% of households making
$200,000+ are Democratic versus 58% of the households making $200,000+
are Republican). Obviously Democrats do better with their savings and
investments.
And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
(37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 29, 2024, 6:53:52 PMJan 29
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:38:53 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
>(37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
does.
wrote:
>Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
People hate Trump for what he says. More people hate Biden for what he
does.
Frank Krygowski
Jan 29, 2024, 10:28:34 PMJan 29
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On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>
> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
>
> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ―
> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
is bad for you!
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
Jan 30, 2024, 3:22:50 AMJan 30
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:28:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
>> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
>> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
>> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
>> (37%)." “We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.” ?
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>> And of course education level correlates to party affiliation with less
>> educated voters more likely to be Republican "in 2022 voters with and
>> without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the
>> Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no
>> college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more
>> Donald Trump in 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>
>As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
>is bad for you!
Unable to deal with what people really say, Krygowski, in his
>
>As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim that education
>is bad for you!
narcissistic mindset, has to invent things to respond to.
The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.
Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
"straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
argument.
https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception
funkma...@hotmail.com
Jan 30, 2024, 8:22:18 AMJan 30
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AMuzi
Jan 30, 2024, 8:30:43 AMJan 30
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and Lysenko. Other's can't.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Catrike Ryder
Jan 30, 2024, 8:57:01 AMJan 30
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 05:22:16 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
like Krygowski does.
<SMILE>
However feeling good about one's self is not what narcissim is all
about. It actually, quite the opposite.
The Insecurity Behind Narcissistic Personality (NPD) Explained
It’s not uncommon to hear “narcissism” and “narcissist” used to
casually describe people who:
Seem vain and self-centered
Seem to care only about themselves
Demand attention, admiration, and respect
Exaggerate achievements
Manipulate others for their own purposes
While these traits are all associated with narcissistic personality
disorder (NPD), people with just a few of these traits may not
necessarily meet criteria for diagnosis. What’s more, other
significant characteristics of narcissism are less recognizable, so
they aren’t always associated with the condition.
It’s generally a good idea to avoid labeling people with mental health
diagnoses when you don’t have a full picture of their mental health.
In other words, someone’s diagnosis is typically between them and
their therapist or psychologist, unless they choose to share that
diagnosis. But it is true that people with traits of narcissism
generally show a mask of superiority and arrogance to the world. They
may seem full of themselves, demand appreciation from others, and
appear to have high self-esteem. But an inner core of insecurity often
lies behind this mask.
Narcissism and Insecurity
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(DSM-5), people with NPD almost always have a fragile sense of
self-esteem. Because of this, they spend a lot of time thinking about
how others perceive them and how well they’re doing in life. This
insecurity contributes to the continuous demand for admiration
associated with NPD.
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
like Krygowski does.
<SMILE>
However feeling good about one's self is not what narcissim is all
about. It actually, quite the opposite.
The Insecurity Behind Narcissistic Personality (NPD) Explained
It’s not uncommon to hear “narcissism” and “narcissist” used to
casually describe people who:
Seem vain and self-centered
Seem to care only about themselves
Demand attention, admiration, and respect
Exaggerate achievements
Manipulate others for their own purposes
While these traits are all associated with narcissistic personality
disorder (NPD), people with just a few of these traits may not
necessarily meet criteria for diagnosis. What’s more, other
significant characteristics of narcissism are less recognizable, so
they aren’t always associated with the condition.
It’s generally a good idea to avoid labeling people with mental health
diagnoses when you don’t have a full picture of their mental health.
In other words, someone’s diagnosis is typically between them and
their therapist or psychologist, unless they choose to share that
diagnosis. But it is true that people with traits of narcissism
generally show a mask of superiority and arrogance to the world. They
may seem full of themselves, demand appreciation from others, and
appear to have high self-esteem. But an inner core of insecurity often
lies behind this mask.
Narcissism and Insecurity
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(DSM-5), people with NPD almost always have a fragile sense of
self-esteem. Because of this, they spend a lot of time thinking about
how others perceive them and how well they’re doing in life. This
insecurity contributes to the continuous demand for admiration
associated with NPD.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 30, 2024, 9:14:08 AMJan 30
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:41 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.” ? Donald Trump in
>On 1/29/2024 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/29/2024 6:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> And of course education level correlates to party
>>> affiliation with less educated voters more likely to be
>>> Republican "in 2022 voters with and without college
>>> degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic
>>> Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49%
>>> did not). By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in
>>> 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a
>>> college degree or more (37%)." “We won with the poorly
>>> 2016 in Las Vegas Nevada.
>>
>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>> that education is bad for you!
>>
>
>Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>and Lysenko. Other's can't.
"Education" has many forms. Last summer, I learned how to lace a
>>
>> As we've seen here, the right wing response is the claim
>> that education is bad for you!
>>
>
>Some people distinguish, within 'education', between Darwin
>and Lysenko. Other's can't.
bicycle wheel. Yesterday, I learned how to replace my old doorbell
camera with a new, higher quality one. This morning, I'm learning how
to work with my new AI photo editor to help me create book covers. I
take educating myself very seriously.
Frank Krygowski
Jan 30, 2024, 12:17:37 PMJan 30
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On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>
>
> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
:-) There's a gem!
--
- Frank Krygowski
>
>
> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
:-) There's a gem!
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank Krygowski
Jan 30, 2024, 12:21:49 PMJan 30
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--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
Jan 30, 2024, 12:30:34 PMJan 30
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>>
>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>
>:-) There's a gem!
Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>>
>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>
>:-) There's a gem!
to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
Frank Krygowski
Jan 30, 2024, 12:59:09 PMJan 30
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--
- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
Jan 30, 2024, 1:14:04 PMJan 30
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at sometimes variance from attendance or certification.
Recent example:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/07/09/fathers-milk-cdcs-science-free-breastfeeding-advice-17184
Which brings to mind the wisdom of the ancients:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10656075-this-is-one-of-those-views-which-are-so-absurd
Frank Krygowski
Jan 30, 2024, 11:27:33 PMJan 30
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--
- Frank Krygowski
zen cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 5:42:04 AMJan 31
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Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 6:10:56 AMJan 31
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implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
Well, I know they're not all that bright, but suggesting that one
might brag about being adequate would be really stupid. I'll give them
the benefit of the doubt. They must have meant something else.
On the other hand, this is what real bragging looks like.
"I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
above were not bragging."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 8:04:58 AMJan 31
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On 1/31/2024 6:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>
>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>
>>
>> yup!
>
>
> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
It's just s braggadocios as "I ride as a competent adult on normal
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>
>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>
>>
>> yup!
>
>
> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
roads. I've taught others to do that, and I've been recognized for such
work" in the context that it was posted. Your parsing of Franks
statement is an example of intellectual dishonesty.
>
> Well, I know they're not all that bright,
forbidding prosecution for religious objections actually allows for
prosecution of of religious objection.
but suggesting that one
> might brag about being adequate would be really stupid.
> I'll give them
> the benefit of the doubt. They must have meant something else.
>
> On the other hand, this is what real bragging looks like.
>
> "I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
> that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
> above were not bragging."
> --Frank Krygowski
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ
about his qualifications. I Know you're not all that bright, but your
repeated attempts to paint it as narcissism and braggadocio only further
confirm your 4th grade reading comprehension.
--
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Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 8:06:44 AMJan 31
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more undocumented bragadoccio from the floriduh dumbass.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 8:33:47 AMJan 31
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:06:40 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<LOL> Junior believes that claiming to do ordinary things is
"bragadoccio." I also made coffee this morning, and later this
afternoon, I'll take the garbage out.
wrote:
"bragadoccio." I also made coffee this morning, and later this
afternoon, I'll take the garbage out.
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 9:00:35 AMJan 31
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AMuzi
Jan 31, 2024, 9:02:33 AMJan 31
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F'rinstance the mRNA jab which does not stop contraction or
contagion was called a 'vaccine' after CDC changed the
definition of 'vaccine'.
Oh, and:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/exclusive-cdc-drafted-alert-for-myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-but-never-sent-it-5560613
and all day every day.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 9:12:46 AMJan 31
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:04:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<LOL> Here's some of what Krygowski says wasn't bragging:
"Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending
multiple classes at various levels for each of the programs described
above. I've also acted as an editorial consultant on two well known
books dealing with those matters. I've written many articles on those
and related topics, and had some of them reprinted by publications in
other states and one other country. I no longer maintain the teaching
certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've written
scripts for and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been
interviewed for newspapers and TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by
request) at city, regional and statewide gatherings."
"I've written articles about dogs vs. bikes, and I
was once quoted on the issue in _Bicycling_ magazine."
"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
"I've been riding with this club for 35 years now. I've given
workshops
and classes on riding, including group riding. I've written articles
on it for the club newsletter and for other publications. I've had
other cycling instructors compliment my riding, and say they learned
and improved by watching me. Just last night, one member took me aside
and asked me to give tips to a new member who obviously needed advice
on group riding."
wrote:
"Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending
multiple classes at various levels for each of the programs described
above. I've also acted as an editorial consultant on two well known
books dealing with those matters. I've written many articles on those
and related topics, and had some of them reprinted by publications in
other states and one other country. I no longer maintain the teaching
certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've written
scripts for and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been
interviewed for newspapers and TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by
request) at city, regional and statewide gatherings."
"I've written articles about dogs vs. bikes, and I
was once quoted on the issue in _Bicycling_ magazine."
"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
"I've been riding with this club for 35 years now. I've given
workshops
and classes on riding, including group riding. I've written articles
on it for the club newsletter and for other publications. I've had
other cycling instructors compliment my riding, and say they learned
and improved by watching me. Just last night, one member took me aside
and asked me to give tips to a new member who obviously needed advice
on group riding."
Frank Krygowski
Jan 31, 2024, 11:05:53 AMJan 31
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On 1/31/2024 6:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>
>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>
>>
>> yup!
>
>
> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
:-) I guess someone clued him in!
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>
>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>
>>
>> yup!
>
>
> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 12:02:01 PMJan 31
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
unlike Krugowski, (see below*) nobody has examined them, tested me
and proclaimed that I do, indeed, know what I'm talking about.
*"there are others who have examined my
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/31/2024 6:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>>
>>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> yup!
>>
>>
>> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
>> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
>
>:-) I guess someone clued him in!
I actually have many other mediocre talents and skills, however,
>On 1/31/2024 6:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:41:59 -0500, zen cycle
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/30/2024 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2024 12:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:17:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/30/2024 8:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) There's a gem!
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski can't deal with my posts without snipping what he can't bear
>>>>> to look at. Here's my complete sentence:
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, my self-esteem is quite adequit, so I have no need to brag
>>>>> like Krygowski does.
>>>>
>>>> Whoosh! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> yup!
>>
>>
>> <EYEROLL> Are Junior Carrington and Frankie Krygowski actually
>> implying that my claim to being adequate is bragging?
>
>:-) I guess someone clued him in!
unlike Krugowski, (see below*) nobody has examined them, tested me
and proclaimed that I do, indeed, know what I'm talking about.
*"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
Frank Krygowski
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 12:22:54 PMJan 31
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as many claims of success and self aggrandizement as he has.
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 12:24:33 PMJan 31
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dumbass
>
> *"there are others who have examined my
> bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
> know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
> Frank Krygowski
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 12:27:57 PMJan 31
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it, you simply buy into a right-wing conspiracy theory from a site known
for spreading qanon theories.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
>
> and all day every day.
>
--
Frank Krygowski
Jan 31, 2024, 12:51:02 PMJan 31
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grading himself.
Hey, low standards are the key to happiness! ;-)
I wonder what he'd think about a class where the teacher let the
students grade themselves. I'd have thought he'd consider that overly
liberal - except for himself, of course!
--
- Frank Krygowski
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 12:54:04 PMJan 31
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Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 1:01:37 PMJan 31
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:50:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<LOL> You're not an authority, recognised, or not.
Zen Cycle
Jan 31, 2024, 1:11:32 PMJan 31
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John B.
Jan 31, 2024, 5:32:13 PMJan 31
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survey of American gun owners ever conducted" and estimates that "guns
are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million
incidents per year."
https://reason.com/2022/09/09/the-largest-ever-survey-of-american-gun-owners-finds-that-defensive-use-of-firearms-is-common/
Thus the question of bravery and firearms apparently is somewhat
different then the, "Ah...you got a gun you must be afraid" attitude.
But having said that it should be noted that Frank does seem to tailor
his posts to augment his arguments. I'm reminded of the account of the
Black family that told me it wasn't safe to take a bus into the Opa
Loka black housing estate - north of Miami - after dark. Frank
objected to this comment as, he said, he had ridden past a number of
Black housing projects with no problems. It appears that the opinion
of an individual who "passes by" is superior to that of a family that
have lived in the project for a number if years.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Catrike Ryder
Jan 31, 2024, 5:44:57 PMJan 31
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 05:32:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
Frank Krygowski
Jan 31, 2024, 11:09:19 PMJan 31
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On 1/31/2024 5:32 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>>
> I came across a study, said to be "The largest and most comprehensive
> survey of American gun owners ever conducted" and estimates that "guns
> are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million
> incidents per year."
> https://reason.com/2022/09/09/the-largest-ever-survey-of-american-gun-owners-finds-that-defensive-use-of-firearms-is-common/
> Thus the question of bravery and firearms apparently is somewhat
> different then the, "Ah...you got a gun you must be afraid" attitude.
First, that survey has been discussed in detail. I can review why it's
>
>>
> I came across a study, said to be "The largest and most comprehensive
> survey of American gun owners ever conducted" and estimates that "guns
> are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million
> incidents per year."
> https://reason.com/2022/09/09/the-largest-ever-survey-of-american-gun-owners-finds-that-defensive-use-of-firearms-is-common/
> Thus the question of bravery and firearms apparently is somewhat
> different then the, "Ah...you got a gun you must be afraid" attitude.
very unlikely to mean what you think - but you'll probably just forget
again.
> But having said that it should be noted that Frank does seem to tailor
> his posts to augment his arguments. I'm reminded of the account of the
> Black family that told me it wasn't safe to take a bus into the Opa
> Loka black housing estate - north of Miami - after dark. Frank
> objected to this comment as, he said, he had ridden past a number of
> Black housing projects with no problems. It appears that the opinion
> of an individual who "passes by" is superior to that of a family that
> have lived in the project for a number if years.
it's largely immaterial to my point.
I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry, he
_should_ be afraid!"
Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are timid.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank Krygowski
Jan 31, 2024, 11:12:22 PMJan 31
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On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>
> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>
> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
from "lily white," and never had problems.
The two guys who gave me the biggest threats while I was riding (getting
out of their cars and pretending they would charge me) were both white,
BTW. And one of them did so within my suburban village.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
Feb 1, 2024, 4:12:08 AMFeb 1
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:12:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>
>So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>from "lily white," and never had problems.
You've said a lot of things, but then, you're well known for bragging,
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 1/31/2024 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>
>> Krybowski says he's ridden at night in his lilly-white super-safe
>> neighborhood, so, of course, everyone else is perfectly safe walking
>> anywhere at 0300. Well, at least I feel perfectly safe when I do it.
>
>So many lousy memories around here! I've said I've ridden home from work
>in the dark many, many times, going through neighborhoods that are far
>from "lily white," and never had problems.
making up stories and exaggerating. I don't believe anything you say.
>The two guys who gave me the biggest threats while I was riding (getting
>out of their cars and pretending they would charge me) were both white,
>BTW. And one of them did so within my suburban village.
Catrike Ryder
Feb 1, 2024, 4:20:04 AMFeb 1
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:09:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>It's the ones with guns who are timid.
I believe that it's the weak-kneed weeinies, like krygowski, who are
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>It's the ones with guns who are timid.
afraid of guns who are the timid ones.
Veterans and retired police officers sometimes carry guns. I don't
believe they can be catagorised as "timid."
John B.
Feb 1, 2024, 4:58:20 AMFeb 1
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story about the black pickups following him and pouring out smoke. A
real heart throbbing tale.
In fact it was so terrifying that I remember Mr. Andrew admonishing
him that pickup trucks are the most sold type of motor vehicle and
black was the most common color.
Given that I owned one of the frightful things for about ten years I
would comment that anyone that would cringe in fear from a black
pickup trucks has no reason to ridicule others for carrying a gun. He
has already displayed his "bravery" for all the world to see.
Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
tall.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Catrike Ryder
Feb 1, 2024, 5:26:31 AMFeb 1
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:58:13 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently, Franky's plan to avoid being attacked is to run away.
>Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
>tall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbV6lk01xJ4
https://skyelurtiger.tumblr.com/image/49955005547
wrote:
>Shoot, my wife used to drive our pickup. An elderly lady hardly 5 feet
>tall.
https://skyelurtiger.tumblr.com/image/49955005547
AMuzi
Feb 1, 2024, 9:57:59 AMFeb 1
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Either or both may apply for any given situation.
One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the
other the descriptor by the man who is actually there.
It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a
dispositive argument either way.
AMuzi
Feb 1, 2024, 10:03:24 AMFeb 1
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never realized that since it was blue I could sneak up on
people looking out for black trucks. Missed opportunity.
Tom Kunich
Feb 1, 2024, 11:37:27 AMFeb 1
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Tom Kunich
Feb 1, 2024, 11:40:32 AMFeb 1