Trump is Dangerous?

[Tom Kunich]

GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.

[Tom Kunich]

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:16:45 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
> Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.

The people of Poland, OH, have made themselves that perfect terrorist target - with 97% white population not one single member of the Biden government cares one wit what happens to you. If they discovered 7 member on the terrorist watch group that means that hundreds have passed through and all they need is to get their weapons' ready. No one is going to chase them for killing white people.

[Andre Jute]

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:16:45 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
> Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.
>

Trump and the workers who voted for him understand in their marrow that demography is power and history in the making. Biden and the Democrats aren't doing this terrible thing to America ignorantly or even carelessly. They think all these poor, unskilled immigrants will vote for them. They're doing it on purpose, as a power-grab. Biden and the Democrats are knowingly, deliberately doing malicious damage to the American ethos and culture. Europe is already ruined, to the extent that the Scandinavians are officially deporting undesirable "refugees" -- the Scandinavians, the prototypical limp lefties!
>
Andre Jute
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the cows still need milking.
>

[Tom Kunich]

I am watching comments from the people here who have not the slightest idea that they are the targets of the administration that they support. They haven't an ounce of historical knowledge. It was the Democrats who owned the plantations who needed slaves. They convinced the people who lived in the south that it wasn't about cheap labor but state's rights. This allowed them to obtain an Army that they thought would allow them to secede from the Union and keep their slaves. After that proved wrong they were so angry that they then threw blacks into the back of the bus. The same Democrats then segregated blacks in the most insulting ways possible from forcing them to ride in the back of the bus to only allowing them to use "blacks only" toilets! Often unavailable in public. And enforced by police that would just as soon kill a black and often did.

HOW did these same black hating scum end up with almost the entire black vote? From people like Krygowski teaching them that Republicans were the bad guys and not the plantation owners.

What these judges and prosecutors are doing to Trump is illegal and they WILL end up losing their membership to the bar over it. But they are stupid enough to believe that they will be protected by the Democrats that don't give a pig's eye for the little people. Biden and his family have become stinking rich from selling out this country and the little man is too stupid to realize that, and he votes Democrat.

Elon Musk bought Twitter to give people a free voice and instead it has become a platform for paid agitators from foreign countries to call Trump names. So instead of free speech it has become the opposite. People like Slocomb aren't smart enough to see what is coming as this nation will be forced to revalue its currency and the Chinese Yen will become the currency of choice. And Slocomb's military retirement will become worthless unless Trump saves it.

Lou doesn't even realize how valuable the US is to Europe but he is going to learn the hard way as the failed US economy means the Euro collapsing. The movement of OEM to China will have an effect far beyond the understanding of governments in the west.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:17:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The movement of OEM to China will have an effect far beyond the understanding of governments in the west.

Really? According to these YouTube videos, China is failing badly:
<https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaObserver0/videos>

For example:

"China’s Expos Are Dying, Visitors Plummet by 90%, No More Western
Clients, Exhibitors Are Crying!"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUCww-4a_iI> (13:30)

"Canton Fair Crisis: 80% Drop in EU/US Buyers - Exhibitors in Tears:
No Orders, No Hope!"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FkCGSDhPU> (16:07)

"Made in China is Done: No Order at Peak Season, Three Months Early
for Annual Leave"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY8ElfArXTA> (16:06)

Note that China Observer and China Insight channels are funded by the
Falun Gong, which are thoroughly anti-CCP and are currently being
persecuted in China. Some Reddit discussion on the topic:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/rgpdig/is_china_observer_an_antichina_youtube_channel/>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=falun+gong>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[AMuzi]

On 11/20/2023 10:41 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:17:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The movement of OEM to China will have an effect far beyond the understanding of governments in the west.
>
> Really? According to these YouTube videos, China is failing badly:
> <https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaObserver0/videos>
>
> For example:
>
> "China’s Expos Are Dying, Visitors Plummet by 90%, No More Western
> Clients, Exhibitors Are Crying!"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUCww-4a_iI> (13:30)
>
> "Canton Fair Crisis: 80% Drop in EU/US Buyers - Exhibitors in Tears:
> No Orders, No Hope!"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FkCGSDhPU> (16:07)
>
> "Made in China is Done: No Order at Peak Season, Three Months Early
> for Annual Leave"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY8ElfArXTA> (16:06)
>
> Note that China Observer and China Insight channels are funded by the
> Falun Gong, which are thoroughly anti-CCP and are currently being
> persecuted in China. Some Reddit discussion on the topic:
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/rgpdig/is_china_observer_an_antichina_youtube_channel/>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=falun+gong>
>

meh.
I've read predictions of a China economic collapse for three
years. So far, like Global Warming and a Russian Army
collapse, not so much.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

Like Slocomb, Liebermann's entire knowledge base is Google and THAT is being strongly propagandized. Is China in a bad position? Certainly as are all countries whose fortunes are based upon slavery. But that isn't going to end rapidly or soon.

[Catrike Rider]

The global cooling predictions didn't work out so well, either.

[AK]

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-6, Tom Kunich wrote:
> GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
> Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.

Trump is responsible for the deaths of 5 people.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probable has their head in the sand.

Andy

[AMuzi]

Uh, Vincent Foster? Seth Rich? Who else?

[John B.]

On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:03:34 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

I read that, probably, due to relatively high Chinese labour costs and
likely tariffs, that China is expanding their manufacturing to smaller
countries.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-supply-chains-china-separating-southeast-asia-off-shoring-decouple-2023-9

But Chinese GDP both National and Per-Capita, as of 2022, seem to be
at an all time high
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-gross-domestic-product

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

There are signs of panic in Chinese commerce and reaching into the government, Andrew. The most accessible way to get a feeling for this is that Aliexpress prices have suddenly doubled and that manufacturers and vendors have been told to push out product regardless. Notice the fallacy of communist central planning, that at the top they decide they aren't doing well and think that doubling the prices will bring in more necessary cash, and, from the same root, a dumb belief that the demand side can be manipulated by the supply side -- which Keynes aptly sneered was like pushing on a piece of string. Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba and Aliexpress and much more Western-style business entities, was deprived of his businesses by the Chinese government and, after a period suspected to be of reeducation, sent to "improve his painting". Ma would never have made these fundamental economic and commercial mistakes. The predictable result has been a terrifying upsurge in requests for refunds and even refusals by delivery entities to accept damaged parcels. The refund apparatus which the intelligent Jack Ma set up to act as a buffer between Chinese vendors, who are used to consumers without any rights whatsoever, no returns, no refunds, and Western consumers who are used to having their governments protect them against commercial sharks, is slowing down, in some cases so grossly that a suspicion arises that they are extending the period before a refund can even be applied for in order to win the tiny amount of interest on the customer's prepayment.
>
Andre Jute
Economics is about human behaviour, which cannot be significantly changed in any term shorter than a Kondratiev cycle. In fact, I don't know of a single successful case even at that length of persistence, even in totalitarian states. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, all tried and failed, at the cost of tens of millions of lives. -- Chairman's Valedictory Address, MASA.

[Andre Jute]

OK, Andy, name them, describe the circumstances of their death, and enlighten us on how you link their deaths to President Trump. -- AJ
>

[Tom Kunich]

We have the records and the latest Yale study tells us that 65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had SERIOUS side effects up to and including death. The government and the Slime Stream Media lied about this in one continuous stream. People like Liebermann who ran out and got vaccinated because I said that the covid-19 was not dangerous now appear to have shortened their life spans A LOT. Slocomb did the same thing and he is obviously in the throws of dementia, one of the thrilling side effects of covid-19 vaccines.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:44:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>We have the records and the latest Yale study tells us that 65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had SERIOUS side effects up to and including death.

Who are "we" and where have you hidden this "evidence"?

Incidentally, I got the latest Covid-19 booster shot on Nov 18 (3 days
ago). I was kinda tired the next day and spent the day in bed. Monday
morning was more of the same, but I did a service call in the
afternoon anyway. This morning I overslept, but am feeling much
better. I should be back to normal by tonite. No lingering side
effect or fatalities yet. In about 2 weeks, I go for a non-mRNA
Shingles vaccine shot.

>The government and the Slime Stream Media lied about this in
>one continuous stream.

Everyone lies, but that's ok because nobody listens. I forgot from
where I stole that line.

>People like Liebermann who ran out and got vaccinated because
>I said that the covid-19 was not dangerous now appear to have
>shortened their life spans A LOT.

Tom: Two problems:
1. I didn't run. I walked. I read what I could find about the
efficacy and alleged dangers of the various vaccines and then made my
decision. In general, I ignored everything you wrote.
2. I offered no advice either for or against vaccination. I
announced my decision and nothing else. However, I did ask a few
questions about your amazing cure from an alleged case of Covid-19,
President Trump's overnight recovery, and some of the statistics which
seemed to have been edited to agree with political agendas.

>Slocomb did the same thing and he is obviously in the throws of
>dementia, one of the thrilling side effects of covid-19 vaccines.

You have it backwards. Covid-19 can produce accelerated deterioration
in those with dementia. Covid-19 does not cause dementia.
"Rapid Progression of Dementia Following COVID-19"
<https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/rapid-progression-dementia-following-covid-19>

Have a nice Thanksgiving dinner:
"6 Ways Your Holiday Turkey Can Make You Sick"
<https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/thanksgiving-turkey-safety.html>

[Frank Krygowski]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> We have the records and the latest Yale study tells us that 65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had SERIOUS side effects up to and including death.

We have those records and that study? Please do give us the link - assuming it's not just in your imagination.

- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

I got an email telling me that dumbshit Liebermann again cannot find the remarks about the latest Yale Study. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblPugmoTBw&t=1090s

I suppose when you have nothing to say you must say it anyway. Liebermann's brain could fit on one side of a penny. Though the penny is a lot more valuable.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I got an email telling me ...

Oh good grief. Nobody believes you get email reports on Usenet postings. Give up that charade.

- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:19:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I got an email telling me that dumbshit Liebermann again cannot find the remarks about the latest Yale Study.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblPugmoTBw&t=1090s

If you make a claim, it's YOUR responsibility to provide the necessary
evidence and corroboration. Without those, you have no credibility.

From the "more" text below the YouTube video:

"In this online, observational, self-reported post-vaccine injured
patients the researchers from Yale have gathered and analyzed the kind
of symptoms, intensity of symptoms, demography, treatment options, and
the psychological status of such patients."

Does this "self-reporting" sound familiar? It's VAERS (Vaccine
Adverse Event Reporting System) again:
<https://vaers.hhs.gov>
At least I think it's VAERS because there have been several other
attempts at studying vaccine outcomes using crowd sourced data. There
is no transcript of the YouTube video and I'm not going to listen to
28 minutes of alarmist rants to check on the source of the pre-print
study.

Hmm... Dr Mobeen Syed seems to be into monitizing his lectures.
<https://www.patreon.com/mobeensyed/about?fan_landing=true>
Click on the "About" below his name. Patreon shows he's collecting
$2,333/month. I thought cardiologists made far more money treating
patients. Did you join his "plans" and send him money?
<https://www.drbeen.com>

Tom: My guess(tm) is that this will be the fifth time I've explained
to you that everyone, including the VAERS researchers, make it clear
that their data should NOT be use to establish causality:
<https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html>
"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any
reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been
established."
"The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a
vaccine caused the event."
"A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified
vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described."
"VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was
caused by the vaccine."

>I suppose when you have nothing to say you must say it anyway.

That says nothing.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to
remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln.

>Liebermann's brain could fit on one side of a penny. Though the
>penny is a lot more valuable.

What would a Tom posting be without the obligatory personalize insults
and accusations.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:30:30 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:19:20?PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I got an email telling me ...

>Oh good grief. Nobody believes you get email reports on Usenet postings. Give up that charade.
>- Frank Krygowski

He can't give it up. It's part of the template that he uses for RBT
postings. I started reverse engineering the template about a year
ago, but never finished. Tom has recently changed his style and my
description is not sufficiently acerbic. I'll fix both later.

1. Start with a message from an unspecified person giving Tom a
suitable excuse to complain about something.
2. Add an accusation or insult aimed at a person or group.
3. Mention something from townhall.org or Dr John Campbell without
links or accurate quotes.
4. Add a politicized accusation aimed at, Democrats, liberals,
immigrants, government agencies, public figures or anyone who
disagrees with Tom's point of view.
5. Add something irrelevant about Covid-19, politics, B-52 details,
or other topics with which Tom is familiar.
6. Recycle some old lies about Tom's past accomplishments, wealth,
mythical former employers, Nobel Prize winners, bicycle problems or
amazing feats of cycling.
7. End with a remark carefully crafted to inspire a topic change.

Using the above template, you too can emulate Tom's method of
argumentation.

[John B.]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:44:00 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Good old Tommy and his poison immunization shots. Tommy has been
telling us that if you get the shot you are on the express train for
Heaven (or maybe the other place) and I've been telling him that some
73% of the world's population has already had the shot and when are
they going to start dying... and he never answers.

Can it be? That he doesn't know what he is talking about?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Doug Landau]

Carl Fogel.

[John B.]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:19:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 7:44:05?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 6:22:44?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:50:24?AM UTC, AK wrote:

>> > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:16:45?PM UTC-6, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
>> > > > Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.
>> > > Trump is responsible for the deaths of 5 people.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone who thinks otherwise probable has their head in the sand.
>> > >
>> > > Andy
>> > >
>> > OK, Andy, name them, describe the circumstances of their death, and enlighten us on how you link their deaths to President Trump. -- AJ
>> > >
>> We have the records and the latest Yale study tells us that 65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had SERIOUS side effects up to and including death. The government and the Slime Stream Media lied about this in one continuous stream. People like Liebermann who ran out and got vaccinated because I said that the covid-19 was not dangerous now appear to have shortened their life spans A LOT. Slocomb did the same thing and he is obviously in the throws of dementia, one of the thrilling side effects of covid-19 vaccines.
>
>I got an email telling me that dumbshit Liebermann again cannot find the remarks about the latest Yale Study. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblPugmoTBw&t=1090s
>
>I suppose when you have nothing to say you must say it anyway. Liebermann's brain could fit on one side of a penny. Though the penny is a lot more valuable.

I actually read the study it says, "In a recent study published as a
preprint by Yale University, researchers compared the experiences of
individuals with Post-Vaccination Syndrome (PVS) after COVID-19
vaccination with a healthy control group."

Note that "individuals with Post-Vaccination Syndrome (PVS)".

Next step is to determine how frequently PVS occurs:

Using data from Australia where I read that "97% of the eligible
Australian population aged 12" have received immunization

Some rare but serious events caused by COVID-19 vaccines were detected
within months of the vaccine rollout.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome is a serious but rare
clotting disorder. It occurs in around one in 50,000 doses of the
AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, with 173 cases reported in Australia.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:44:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 6:22:44?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:50:24?AM UTC, AK wrote:

>> > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:16:45?PM UTC-6, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > GET THE FACTS: Border Crisis Continues to Surge
>> > > Compared to October 2020, October 2023 saw a 235% rise in illegal immigrant encounters at our Southern Border. 240,988 illegal immigrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in October including 12 individuals on the terrorist watchlist. Since President Biden took office, there have been 7.8 million illegal immigrant encounters nationwide, 6.5 million illegal crossings at our Southern Border, and 1.7 million known gotaways who evaded U.S. Border Patrol. This is unacceptable. October was the 32nd straight month where illegal immigrant encounters have been higher than even the highest month seen under President Trump. It’s long past time to secure our border.
>> > Trump is responsible for the deaths of 5 people.
>> >
>> > Anyone who thinks otherwise probable has their head in the sand.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> OK, Andy, name them, describe the circumstances of their death, and enlighten us on how you link their deaths to President Trump. -- AJ
>> >
>
>We have the records and the latest Yale study tells us that 65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had SERIOUS side effects up to and including death. The government and the Slime Stream Media lied about this in one continuous stream. People like Liebermann who ran out and got vaccinated because I said that the covid-19 was not dangerous now appear to have shortened their life spans A LOT. Slocomb did the same thing and he is obviously in the throws of dementia, one of the thrilling side effects of covid-19 vaccines.

O.K., once again I think you are lying. Please post the actual Yale
Study that states that "65% of people taking the covid-19 vaccines had

SERIOUS side effects up to and including death.

Not some Yo-Yo on youtube, the actual Yale study report.

But, I really don't expect to see you provide any verification of your
statement as that isn't your style, is it. Your style is to run about
yapping like a small dog and then when anyone questions your weird
statements you run away and hide.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

I sometimes wonder what happened to Mr Fogel. And Mr Cholina
too.

[Frank Krygowski]

I agree. I even miss Datakoll, but for reasons that are almost
completely opposite.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:34:46 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Good old Tommy and his poison immunization shots. Tommy has been
>telling us that if you get the shot you are on the express train for
>Heaven (or maybe the other place) and I've been telling him that some
>73% of the world's population has already had the shot and when are
>they going to start dying... and he never answers.
>
>Can it be? That he doesn't know what he is talking about?

There is one benefit to Tom and his amazing facts. If you don't know
what to do next, the safest course is to do the exact opposite of what
he recommends. Since he's wrong 99.999% of the time, that seems to be
the safest approach.

"COVID-19 vaccine doses and confirmed deaths"
<https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&uniformYAxis=0&country=USA%7EGBR%7ECAN%7EDEU%7ETHA&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Vaccine+doses+and+confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false>
Notice how the vaccine doses per 100 tracks (mirrors) the number of
new deaths per million? More vaccine doses => fewer new deaths.

[John B.]

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:44:13 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:34:46 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Good old Tommy and his poison immunization shots. Tommy has been
>>telling us that if you get the shot you are on the express train for
>>Heaven (or maybe the other place) and I've been telling him that some
>>73% of the world's population has already had the shot and when are
>>they going to start dying... and he never answers.
>>
>>Can it be? That he doesn't know what he is talking about?
>
>There is one benefit to Tom and his amazing facts. If you don't know
>what to do next, the safest course is to do the exact opposite of what
>he recommends. Since he's wrong 99.999% of the time, that seems to be
>the safest approach.
>
>"COVID-19 vaccine doses and confirmed deaths"
><https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&uniformYAxis=0&country=USA%7EGBR%7ECAN%7EDEU%7ETHA&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Vaccine+doses+and+confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false>
>Notice how the vaccine doses per 100 tracks (mirrors) the number of
>new deaths per million? More vaccine doses => fewer new deaths.

Now, now, Jeff, you are "picking on" poor old Tom and if you don't
stop he'll be getting one of those e-mails telling him it would be
o.k. to go to your place and kill you with a single blow of his mighty
fist, just as he has written about Frank.

But, really? Can you imagine an adult saying something like that?
Admittedly I'm too old to remember my school days but it does sound
like something that you might hear shouted on a 1st or 2nd grade
school yard. Can you imagine this mental midget designing all these
fiendishly complex scientific machinery as he claims to have done?
Perhaps sharpening a pencil? But certainly designing the actual pencil
sharper device would be beyond him.

In fact, the only thing I've ever heard him say about his career that
sounded like it "might" be true was his tale about interviewing AIDs
sufferers and recording their statements. (and he probably got that
wrong most of the time).
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Jesus weeps. You would, Franki-boy, miss a creep who was an anti-semite of the worst stripe, a xenophobe, and a deliberate mangler of the English language. I say good riddance to him, and I'll say the same about you when you're gone. There isn't a single positive thing I can think of about either of you.
>
Andre Jute
Artists have to tell the hard truths.
>

[Tom Kunich]

Since I have put the Stupid 4 into the kill file life has been a lot quieter. But then I get emails from people taking most specially about Krygowski and Liebermann. These two believe that they are so interesting that no one would want to miss a word they say or would want to expose themselves to the raving from these two. So I guess they are claiming that no one is sending me emails. Personally I think that being either one of these jerks would be like going to hell and spending eternity in the lake of fire.,''

I said that there is a dam in Cull Canyon and that the pool in front of it was filled completely with mud. I guess that Liebermann with all of the intelligence he has rather than going there and looking used Google to show a pond far back from the dam to "prove I was wrong. Google Earth even shows that pond as being closed and you can see that it is partially filled with mud. More importantly at the dam where I said was filled with mud, it appears to be an open field. I was just there yesterday. There are signs up along the dam saying "Keep Out Deep Mud" though it doesn't look like mud anymore but like it's hardened into actual land. That has not stopped Liebermann though since he has the IQ of a gnat. Because he knows that he can use Google to "learn things" he makes the most ignorant statements and thinks that he is proving me wrong.

I am also told that Krygowski believes his words are absolute gold that no one wants to miss. He is the expert at everything when in fact I pity his poor students who were put through his pretend teaching. I would bet that the ONE student of his that managed to get a job as a mechanical engineer was probably like Flunky - incompetent to the level of comedy unless the engineers he was working with were willing to show him the ropes.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:37:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Be sure to apologize to Andre for hijacking his response.

>Since I have put the Stupid 4 into the kill file life has been a lot quieter.

That's a lie. You use Google Groups to read and post to RBT. Google
Groups does not have a kill file. However, that should make no
difference to the newsgroup message volume, since you don't reply to
direct questions anyway.

>But then I get emails from people taking most specially about
>Krygowski and Liebermann.

Nobody sends you email.

>These two believe that they are so interesting that no one would
>want to miss a word they say or would want to expose themselves to
>the raving from these two.

I doubt my comments are so interesting that it would gather such
attention. However, I will claim they are more accurate and
interesting than your comments.

>So I guess they are claiming that no one is sending me emails.

Correct.

>Personally I think that being either one of these jerks would be
>like going to hell and spending eternity in the lake of fire.,''

I've never seen a lake of fire. How do you know what it would be
like?

>I said that there is a dam in Cull Canyon and that the pool in
>front of it was filled completely with mud.

Nope. What you actually said was:

(Nov 18, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pXV5QxZpJKk/m/q6HPE0GiBgAJ>
"There are no gutters in Cull Canyon. The water runs off of the road
and cuts furrows along side of the road until it reaches a point at
which there is a drain that allows it to cross the road and run from
the drain to the creek. At the bottom of the canyon there used to be a
small lake that stored the water for I have no idea what. But it is no
longer there and instead is a shallow pond filled completely with mud
from the canyon and the surrounding hillsides. The mud a tenth of the
way into the canyon creek was so heavy that it created an impromptu
dam."

I replied asking you if this was your mythical mud lake:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/pXV5QxZpJKk/m/9Y4RgsmjBgAJ>
"Is this the "shallow pond filled completely with mud" or something
else?"
As usual, you didn't reply. This would be a good time to reply.

>I guess that Liebermann with all of the intelligence he has rather
>than going there and looking used Google to show a pond far back
>from the dam to "prove I was wrong.

That's correct. Using Google Earth is easier. If you prefer, I can
probably find other satellite imaging sites.

>Google Earth even shows that pond as being closed and you can see
>that it is partially filled with mud.

Show me. I asked you if the pond I found was the one you claim was
filled with mud. You obviously read my question, but no answer. I'm
not going to visit Cull Canyon just to find your mythical lake of fire
or mud.

>More importantly at the dam where I said was filled with mud, it
>appears to be an open field. I was just there yesterday. There are
>signs up along the dam saying "Keep Out Deep Mud" though it doesn't
>look like mud anymore but like it's hardened into actual land.

That's a wonderful description. All you have to do now and locate
this mythical lake of dried mud. The process is call "corroboration",
something you apparently failed to learn while you were "reading out"
three libraries.

>That has not stopped Liebermann though since he has the IQ of a gnat.

IQ isn't worth much by itself. It's what one does with that IQ that's
important. I can't claim I've accomplished much with my IQ. You
claim an amazing assortment of accomplishment, most of which are
likely to be lies. Most likely, your real life history more closely
resembles your online resume. That reminds me, what were you doing in
the 19 years between the Air Force and the first job you list on your
resume? I know about BCC (Berkeley Computer Corp), but what else is
there?

>Because he knows that he can use Google to "learn things" he makes
>the most ignorant statements and thinks that he is proving me wrong.

I'm not proving anything except that you're a really awful liar. Most
of the research I do with Google is to find your previous comments in
RBT, Facebook, Linked In and assorted web pages. Using your own
comments to uncover your lies has been highly effective. I recall
only one time, when you admitted that you were wrong (to Lou).
Obviously, fact checking your claims has little effect on your habit
of lying. You enjoy all the attention that your lies attract, so why
should you complain about my methods of proving you wrong?

>I am also told that Krygowski believes his words are absolute gold that no one wants to miss. He is the expert at everything when in fact I pity his poor students who were put through his pretend teaching. I would bet that the ONE student of his that managed to get a job as a mechanical engineer was probably like Flunky - incompetent to the level of comedy unless the engineers he was working with were willing to show him the ropes.

Perfect. Your ending comment is usually an invitation to a change in
topic. At least you're consistent.

[John B.]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:58:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Ah Jeff, you ignore reality.

If Tom didn't tell all those lies then what? Admit that he really is a
failure, and his most important medically associated task was likely
asking AID sufferers questions and recording their answers? And, given
the veracity of his Usenet posts he probably got that wrong too.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:15:07 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:58:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:37:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>(...)

>>I'm not proving anything except that you're a really awful liar. Most
>>of the research I do with Google is to find your previous comments in
>>RBT, Facebook, Linked In and assorted web pages. Using your own
>>comments to uncover your lies has been highly effective. I recall
>>only one time, when you admitted that you were wrong (to Lou).
>>Obviously, fact checking your claims has little effect on your habit
>>of lying. You enjoy all the attention that your lies attract, so why
>>should you complain about my methods of proving you wrong?
>>
>>>I am also told that Krygowski believes his words are absolute gold that no one wants to miss. He is the expert at everything when in fact I pity his poor students who were put through his pretend teaching. I would bet that the ONE student of his that managed to get a job as a mechanical engineer was probably like Flunky - incompetent to the level of comedy unless the engineers he was working with were willing to show him the ropes.
>>
>>Perfect. Your ending comment is usually an invitation to a change in
>>topic. At least you're consistent.

>Ah Jeff, you ignore reality.

Probably true. I don't really like today's reality. I keep waiting
for the alarm clock to ring and for me to wake up from the current
nightmare.

>If Tom didn't tell all those lies then what?

I don't know. Since Tom has never tried to be honest, I have no
examples of what he might be like should he cease fabricating lies and
amazing facts. It would be interesting to watch, but there's no
guarantee he won't do something unpredictable or go on a rampage.

>Admit that he really is a failure,

I don't think it's necessary to extract a confession from Tom. The
constant fact checking has already demonstrate to even the casual
reader of RBT that he's a chronic liar. Everything else will be
obvious in due time.

>and his most important medically associated task was likely

>asking AIDS sufferers questions and recording their answers?

I don't believe his story. Unfortunately, I don't have enough
evidence to demonstrate that it's another lie from Tom. From Tom's
description, he had access to ALL the survey results which allowed him
to draw some premature conclusions from the data. That's not how such
surveys work.

>And, given
>the veracity of his Usenet posts he probably got that wrong too.

True. What bothers me is that Tom goes out of his way to lie, even
when there's no reason or benefit to lying. As I mentioned in a
previous rant, Tom wants attention and lying is superior to honesty in
obtaining attention. If Tom were to tell the truth, there would be no
reason for anyone to respond to his comments. However, when he lies,
he attracts considerable attention from multiple fact checkers.

[John B.]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 20:40:37 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:15:07 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:58:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:37:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>(...)
>>>I'm not proving anything except that you're a really awful liar. Most
>>>of the research I do with Google is to find your previous comments in
>>>RBT, Facebook, Linked In and assorted web pages. Using your own
>>>comments to uncover your lies has been highly effective. I recall
>>>only one time, when you admitted that you were wrong (to Lou).
>>>Obviously, fact checking your claims has little effect on your habit
>>>of lying. You enjoy all the attention that your lies attract, so why
>>>should you complain about my methods of proving you wrong?
>>>
>>>>I am also told that Krygowski believes his words are absolute gold that no one wants to miss. He is the expert at everything when in fact I pity his poor students who were put through his pretend teaching. I would bet that the ONE student of his that managed to get a job as a mechanical engineer was probably like Flunky - incompetent to the level of comedy unless the engineers he was working with were willing to show him the ropes.
>>>
>>>Perfect. Your ending comment is usually an invitation to a change in
>>>topic. At least you're consistent.
>
>>Ah Jeff, you ignore reality.
>
>Probably true. I don't really like today's reality. I keep waiting
>for the alarm clock to ring and for me to wake up from the current
>nightmare.

Of course I have no real knowledge of what life in the U.S. is really
all about but from reading the news it seems that the U.S. gets a lot
of things wrong. The famous Soybean war, for example. the U.S. levied
higher import duties on Chinese made goods and (surprisingly) the
Chinese retaliated with a higher duty on U.S. goods and the U.S.
Soybean growers lost out. The U.S. government then had to pay the
soybean farmers several billion to compensate their losses. And Brazil
became China's major supplier of soybeans.
I believe one term for this is "shooting yourself in the foot".

>>If Tom didn't tell all those lies then what?
>
>I don't know. Since Tom has never tried to be honest, I have no
>examples of what he might be like should he cease fabricating lies and
>amazing facts. It would be interesting to watch, but there's no
>guarantee he won't do something unpredictable or go on a rampage.
>
>>Admit that he really is a failure,

Well, "failure" is a relative term and what is a "failure" for one
person might well be a "resounding success" for someone else.
But Tm certainly doesn't appear to be satisfied with his life.

The real puzzle is that most people that lie do so for specific
reasons. Tom seems to lie as a matter of normal practice. and, he gets
caught in his lies on a daily basis.

And so many of his lies are really simple to identify. A collage
issuing a diploma in navigation. The U.S. Naval Academy doesn't issue
a diploma for navigation.

I can only assume that his dementia has reached the point that he
really no longer knows the difference between truth and fiction.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 11/25/2023 11:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> True. What bothers me is that Tom goes out of his way to lie, even
> when there's no reason or benefit to lying. As I mentioned in a
> previous rant, Tom wants attention and lying is superior to honesty in
> obtaining attention. If Tom were to tell the truth, there would be no
> reason for anyone to respond to his comments. However, when he lies,
> he attracts considerable attention from multiple fact checkers.

Someone once claimed Donald Trump would lie when asked what day it was,
just to stay in practice. Maybe that's part of Tom's motivation?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

Well, fortunately there's a choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJMF7mflGE

We're completely free to choose six of one or a half-dozen
of the other

[Tom Kunich]

All of this information has been completely available from the day that Biden entered public office. Almost every thing he says is a complete lie but Frank cannot show one case where Trump knowingly said something not true. He very soon picked up on the lies being fed to him by people like Fauci and that is why he had to be accused of what the Democrats do every day. When the Democrats could not win a civil war to maintain slavery they committed the worst sort of crimes - segregation on the grounds that blacks were unclean and less than human. We have all watched Krygowski make these same allusions I suspect to give himself unearned self esteem.

[Catrike Rider]

Honest individuals don't make it politics these days. Better to look
at what they've done than what they say they're going to do, and don't
make any big wagers that they won't change their agenda.

[Frank Krygowski]

Yeah, this guy didn't credit his sources. That guy stated thousands of
significant lies, or at least false claims, at a constantly accelerating
rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

"The bottomless Pinocchio" rating is a rare achievement!

Oh, and he tried to overthrow democracy.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Tough choice!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

The Amazon Prime Washington Post?
A highly partisan highly subjective 'ranking' or 'rating' is
hardly dispositive.

[Catrike Rider]

Trump derangement syndrome

>Six of one, half dozen of the other. Tough choice!

Is there anybody other than shoplifters, carjackers, and other
criminals in the USA that wasn't better off five or six years ago than
they are now?

[Tom Kunich]

This is the entire belief system of Krygowski. If he can find ANYONE to agree with his positions it is proof that he is correct.

[Tom Kunich]

I know that I am.

[John B.]

Well, most. perhaps all Presidents get blamed for saying, or doing,
this or that.

Lincoln Freed the Slaves" for example.

It just wasn't true. The Emancipation Proclamation which was issued on
"the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and sixty-two", stated that ""That on the first
day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and
sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated
part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against
the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free"

Had any of the revolting state surrendered to the Union in the 4
months preceding Jan 1863 the slaves in that state would not have
been freed.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Democracy in action. As I've often said, the surest method of getting
elected is the speech that starts out, "If elected I will give
you...."

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:23:39 -0500, Catrike Rider
<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>Is there anybody other than shoplifters, carjackers, and other
>criminals in the USA that wasn't better off five or six years ago than
>they are now?

Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, companies that profited from "economic
stimulus" handouts, oil companies:
<https://www.nrdc.org/bio/zanagee-artis/oil-industry-netted-billions-profits-despite-global-price-dip>
food distributors:
<https://www.axios.com/2023/10/07/food-shortage-corporate-profit>
various billionaires:
<https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/animated-chart-of-the-day-worlds-top-ten-billionaires-2000-to-2022/>

[Frank Krygowski]

I note that many if not most of Trump's wild claims are available on
video. Usually multiple videos of the same claims in different venues. I
marvel at the ability of Trump fans to engage in creative disbelief.

But hey, can you provide information from some unbiased source that
lists, say, the comparative numbers of falsehoods per month for Trump
vs. Biden?

You know me. I like numbers. And I don't think we'll even need the bonus
points for trying to overthrow democracy.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 18:14:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:23:39 -0500, Catrike Rider
><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>Is there anybody other than shoplifters, carjackers, and other
>>criminals in the USA that wasn't better off five or six years ago than
>>they are now?
>
>Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, companies that profited from "economic
>stimulus" handouts, oil companies:
><https://www.nrdc.org/bio/zanagee-artis/oil-industry-netted-billions-profits-despite-global-price-dip>
>food distributors:
><https://www.axios.com/2023/10/07/food-shortage-corporate-profit>
>various billionaires:
><https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/animated-chart-of-the-day-worlds-top-ten-billionaires-2000-to-2022/>

<SIGH> Ah, yes, very wealthy people have learned how to profit from
everything. Most everyone else has seen their cost of living climb out
of control.

[John B.]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 04:08:48 -0500, Catrike Rider

<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 18:14:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:23:39 -0500, Catrike Rider
>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>Is there anybody other than shoplifters, carjackers, and other
>>>criminals in the USA that wasn't better off five or six years ago than
>>>they are now?
>>
>>Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, companies that profited from "economic
>>stimulus" handouts, oil companies:
>><https://www.nrdc.org/bio/zanagee-artis/oil-industry-netted-billions-profits-despite-global-price-dip>
>>food distributors:
>><https://www.axios.com/2023/10/07/food-shortage-corporate-profit>
>>various billionaires:
>><https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/animated-chart-of-the-day-worlds-top-ten-billionaires-2000-to-2022/>
>
><SIGH> Ah, yes, very wealthy people have learned how to profit from
>everything. Most everyone else has seen their cost of living climb out
>of control.

Well, every time the minimum wage is raised the costs of about
everything goes up, and the solution is, of course, raise minimum
wages.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:55:30 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

When the minimum wage goes up, everyone demands that their wages go up
accordingly. It's an old con, but it still works.

[John B.]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:38:09 -0500, Catrike Rider

Well, that was unspoken but certainly true. Salaries are raised, costs
go up, salaries are raised, costs go up, salaries are raised.....

--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

I'm with Mr Tricycle (26 November) in that hyperbole,
dramatic excess and puffery are just part of the job for
public statements by politicians. Always and everywhere.

One man's catchy encapsulation on an issue is another's
dangerous lie.

Or, as was nicely phrased by Selena Zito in 2016, some large
number of voters take Mr Trump seriously but not literally.
Others light their hair on fire and drive themselves to
distraction taking him literally but not seriously.

As always, the latter ignore the rambling incoherence of
this administration or view it as a Gene Daniels-like oracle.

[Tom Kunich]

Look at the bright side, it will soon grows past the ability of Liebermann to afford to eat. Then like Flunky he will fade off into the sunset as he can no longer afford his internet connection.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 11/27/2023 10:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/26/2023 10:07 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> I note that many if not most of Trump's wild claims are available on
>> video. Usually multiple videos of the same claims in different venues.
>> I marvel at the ability of Trump fans to engage in creative disbelief.
>>
>> But hey, can you provide information from some unbiased source that
>> lists, say, the comparative numbers of falsehoods per month for Trump
>> vs. Biden?
>>
>> You know me. I like numbers. And I don't think we'll even need the
>> bonus points for trying to overthrow democracy.
>>
>
> I'm with Mr Tricycle (26 November) in that hyperbole, dramatic excess
> and puffery are just part of the job for public statements by
> politicians. Always and everywhere.

Nope. _Not_ always and everywhere. I know, and have known, politicians
who rejected that behavior.

Worse, the acceptance of those fabrications is an an attempt to destroy
the value of objective truth. Multiple recounts by machine and by hand
give the same result, but people still say "That's wrong"? Live videos
of people smashing Capitol windows and clubbing police, but people say
"They were just tourists"? Videos of Trump yelling the same nonsense in
speech after speech, but people saying "He didn't mean that"?

At a certain point, creative disbelief descends into insanity.

> As always, the latter ignore the rambling incoherence of this
administration or view it as a Gene Daniels-like oracle.

I don't regard anyone as an oracle. No national administration has ever
been perfect. But the delusionary, dishonest and anti-democracy
attitudes of Trump and his followers seems unique in scope and
magnitude, at least in the U.S.

And all that to worship the host of a reality TV show? Gawd, what's
next? Kid Rock for president?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

Not having experience with TeeVee I only knew him from 40
years in the business press. He performed as well in office
as he did in that cutthroat high stakes world.

I've stipulated here and elsewhere (and often) that the man
is fat, obnoxious and grating in many ways. Much to my
distaste, those are still not IMHO job qualification or
disqualifications.

Make your own decision (as I'm sure you have and will) but
in this and everything else, people rank various criteria
differently and apply facts as we know them to those
criteria irregularly.

I will not change your opinion but so far you're not
changing mine either.

p.s. I had to search 'kid rock'. Is he running? He is not
listed here:
https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates

[Catrike Rider]

I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
yet it looks like I might be voting for him

[Frank Krygowski]

On 11/27/2023 1:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Make your own decision (as I'm sure you have and will) but in this and
> everything else, people rank various criteria differently and apply
> facts as we know them to those criteria irregularly.

Or in many cases, apply "alternative facts." It bothers me when reality
gets discarded for ideology.

> I will not change your opinion but so far you're not changing mine either.

I'm familiar with people who are immune to facts.

> p.s. I had to search 'kid rock'. Is he running? He is not listed here:
> https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates

He's not running AFAIK. But his qualifications are about as valid as
Trump's, and he'd attract many of the same voters.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

Oh, Mr Rock vied with his own money in commercial real
estate, against the best players, in the most competitive
market for 40 years and triumphed? I didn't see that in a
search.

[Tom Kunich]

Get this: "It has come to light that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has had 40 informants inside the Biden family over the past 15 years.

For 15 years, Credible Informants have been providing criminal information against the Biden’s to FBI Field Offices across the country, and for 15 years, everytime the information has been brought to FBI HQ, the leadership of the FBI shuts it down.

But it’s not just the FBI, it’s the Department of Justice as well.

I heard sworn witness testimony that the Biden Bribery allegations on the FD-1023 Form were CREDIBLE, and that he referred the criminal matters originating from it to three separate U.S. Attorney’s offices in Brooklyn, Manhattan and Delaware for further investigation.

Then, just like at the FBI, nothing happened."

What happened 15 years ago? Obama was elected

[Catrike Rider]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:21:43 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 11/27/2023 1:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Make your own decision (as I'm sure you have and will) but in this and
>> everything else, people rank various criteria differently and apply
>> facts as we know them to those criteria irregularly.
>
>Or in many cases, apply "alternative facts." It bothers me when reality
>gets discarded for ideology.

The reality, of course, is that government spending has caused massive
inflation, real wages have declined and big business has prospered.

>> I will not change your opinion but so far you're not changing mine either.
>
>I'm familiar with people who are immune to facts.
>
>> p.s. I had to search 'kid rock'. Is he running? He is not listed here:
>> https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates
>
>He's not running AFAIK. But his qualifications are about as valid as
>Trump's, and he'd attract many of the same voters.

I'd sooner have him in the White House than Biden and whoever is
pushing his buttons.

[Catrike Rider]

On the other hand, Biden and family took bribes from China and
Ukraine, and ?????

[Frank Krygowski]

On 11/27/2023 2:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 1:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 1:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Make your own decision (as I'm sure you have and will) but in this
>>> and everything else, people rank various criteria differently and
>>> apply facts as we know them to those criteria irregularly.
>>
>> Or in many cases, apply "alternative facts." It bothers me when
>> reality gets discarded for ideology.
>>
>>> I will not change your opinion but so far you're not changing mine
>>> either.
>>
>> I'm familiar with people who are immune to facts.
>>
>>> p.s. I had to search 'kid rock'. Is he running? He is not listed here:
>>> https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2024_presidential_candidates
>>
>> He's not running AFAIK. But his qualifications are about as valid as
>> Trump's, and he'd attract many of the same voters.
>>
>
> Oh, Mr Rock vied with his own money in commercial real estate, against
> the best players, in the most competitive market for 40 years and
> triumphed? I didn't see that in a search.

I was talking about qualifications for the Presidency, not for real
estate. The Kid would fail in real estate, Trump would fail as a
musician, and neither would make a good president.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

"his own money"? hardly. Even trump admitted it all started with a $1m gift from his daddy, and still has the audacity to claim to be 'self-made'. Sorry but the term 'self-made' doesn't generally involve being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

_You_ are self-made, Andrew. Trump was made by trading on his fathers money and his fathers reputation, followed by decades of shenanigans and trickery he learned from dear old dad.

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

[Catrike Rider]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:07:24 PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>
> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html.....how well did that one work out, dumbass?

[AMuzi]

Romania, Kazakhstan, Russia so far.

https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

https://oversight.house.gov/blog/wsj-opinion-oversight-committee-evidence-proves-joe-biden-benefitted-from-his-family-cashing-in-on-his-name/

[Tom Kunich]

The Stupid 4 couldn't care less how criminal the Biden family is. If anyone with a like of sense doesn't like the Democrats it is their sworn duty to oppose them. Stupid is as stupid does

[John B.]

Re the above. If the committee has evidence, as the report seems to
say, that the President is directly, or indirectly for that matter,
receiving funds from foreign entities then why hasn't there been a
move to impeach him?
After all the Constitution is quite clear that:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and
Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and
Misdemeanors.
And yes, I am aware how the impeachment process works.

Or is this just another Washington boondoggle?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 07:25:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

2 reasons....

1) Kamala Harris

2) The Democrats in the Senate would never convict him

[Andre Jute]

But, Franki-boy, President Trump did make a brilliant president, especially by comparison to the senile crook Biden.
>
Unsigned for the usual reasons.
>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:16:50 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:07:24?PM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>
>> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html
>
>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html.....how well did that one work out, dumbass?

Try again with the appended comment removed:
<https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html>

[John B.]

There have been a number of government officials who were impeached,
or an attempt was made to impeach them, dating back to the 1800's. It
seems illogical to believe that if there is sufficient evidence to
proceed against the current president nothing is done. After all the
first motion to impeach Trump was in July 2017...

Stop the Press! I just came across a report that they are, in fact ,
trying to impeach the current president.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/21/house-republicans-biden-impeachment-00128154
But reading the article it looks as though the allegations in the
Committee on Oversight and Accountability report may not be as iron
clad as the report seems to assert that they are as a comment in the
reference says, in part, "likely accuse the president of improperly
using his political office to further his family’s business dealings —
though they haven’t yet found a smoking gun to that effect and some
members acknowledge that seems increasingly unlikely".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

those idiots have been trying to impeach Biden since he took office, all using "trumped" up charges with little veracity. You'll hear from the magatard factions in this forum that the evidence is ironclad and extensive. It's merely attempts at distracting the american public from the damage the extreme right-wing is doing to this country. However, as you note from the politico article, all the accusations fail under even slightest scrutiny, not to mention any financial gains had by the Biden family as a result of their political connections is dwarfed by the corruption and grift when trump was polluting the office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/europe/ukraine-biden-giuliani-trump.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-made-millions-washington-what-cost-ncna1257795
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/confronting-cost-trumps-corruption-american-families/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/donald-trump-doj-schiff-swalwell-investigation
https://time.com/6279053/hunter-biden-trump-children-scandals/

The bidens aren't behaving any differently than any of the administrations the preceded them with the exception of trump, who all but broadcast his intent to use his position to allow his family to sucker his cult-followers into believing he is above the law.

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/donald-trumps-sons-behind-nonprofit-selling-access-to-president-elect/

[Tom Kunich]

As usual, Slocomb simply cannot understand the American justice system. No other person can be so stupid and talk so much except maybe flunky now that he seems to have returned from his "vacation".

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:12:58 -0500, Catrike Rider
<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
>conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
>hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
>yet it looks like I might be voting for him

Interesting problem. If you want a fearless strong leader, who will
"make America great again", and lead you to a promised utopia, Trump
is that person. However, I seem to recall that you have an aversion
to someone telling you what to do. Would you really follow Trump's
leadership?

[AMuzi]

On 11/29/2023 1:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:12:58 -0500, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
>> conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
>> hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
>> yet it looks like I might be voting for him
>
> Interesting problem. If you want a fearless strong leader, who will
> "make America great again", and lead you to a promised utopia, Trump
> is that person. However, I seem to recall that you have an aversion
> to someone telling you what to do. Would you really follow Trump's
> leadership?
>

Exactly the conundrum between Federalists and
Anti-Federalists at the framing.

A government powerful enough to address any contingency is
way too powerful for some among us in principle. More,
history shows powerful central governments arrogate right up
through oppression and on until revolution (or coup).

A strictly limited government can be inadequate in exigent
crises. That's inherently a tough line to draw. For anyone,
let alone among a committee. And certainly not here on RBT.

[Tom Kunich]

Perhaps Liebermann with his vast knowledge of Google and nothing else would care to inform us when Trump ever told any of the American citizens what to do? What far left sites do you suppose he has been haunting that would give him that idea?

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:38:58 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:12:58 -0500, Catrike Rider
><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
>>conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
>>hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
>>yet it looks like I might be voting for him
>
>Interesting problem. If you want a fearless strong leader, who will
>"make America great again", and lead you to a promised utopia, Trump
>is that person. However, I seem to recall that you have an aversion
>to someone telling you what to do. Would you really follow Trump's
>leadership?

I don't plan on him telling me what to do. I'm hoping for a "leader"
that I can ignore.

[AMuzi]

OK but if everyone ignores him, maybe we should redefine
'leadership'?

[Tom Kunich]

On the other hand the Biden administration ordered you, illegally I might add, to take a poisonous experimental vaccine or be fired from your job. They lied about there not being safe and effective drug treatments which is the ONLY legal means by which emergency approval for a vaccine may be granted. They forced this vaccine upon the public and hid the fact that 65% of those taking it had negative side effects including death. But according to dumb ass Liebermann, Trump was telling you what to do! Virtually every excess death between 4 and 40 was due to this vaccine and I can hardly wait until the side effects kill Liebermann. As of this minute only people that have been vaccinated are dying from Covid-19

[John B.]

But what is "Great Again"? Does it mean self sufficient and able to
get along without foreign products? Does it mean the most powerful
military nation in the world?
Or is it just a political campaign slogan?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

I'm hoping that people who would do harm to others will not be able to
ignore our "leaders". I'm talking about real "harm" not just hurt
feelings.

I'm thinking of libertarianism. "Small L"

[AMuzi]

I'm sympathetic and voted Libertarian for many years.

Back to reality, Libertarian candidates do not win and
coherent principled Libertarianism doesn't scale. The real
world has real dangers and they are best met with
national-scale force better than a good tight argument.

(Or, in the present case, appeasement, inaction,
fecklessness, indecision etc)

[Catrike Rider]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:42 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

[Tom Kunich]

Actually it hasn't.ONE year away from the Democrats and the US would be back to what it was. This time rather than an executive order reducing the taxes on the rich from the preposterous 50+% we need a LAW from the Congress setting the tax rate the SAME for everyone. This achieves two things - 1. It allows the rich to greatly expand their businesses just as they did under Trump the first time and putting American back to work and 2. The entire country will be pained by taxes equally. It is very easy to say "raise taxes" if it has no effect on you.

[AMuzi]

Indeed it has.
USAF is not Mr Slocumb's Air Force any longer:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2022/11/16/heres-all-the-military-planes-that-keep-falling-short-on-readiness/

But USAF is in dramatically better shape than the Navy.

[Tom Kunich]

The military started going to hell when Obama took office. He was sending Americans to be killed and not giving them sufficient ammunition. It is extremely easy to say that Aircraft are not up to par because they don't have the latest modifications whereas they can perform the same duties with and without said updates. Aircraft in the Army and Marines are largely helicopters and missing routine maintenance does not put them out of service. What CAN make them un-airworthy is rotor replacement on schedules since rotors can and do break. Hell, wind turbines are breaking blades at unprecedented rates

[Andre Jute]

Modern libertarianism was last a viable political concept when Winston Churchill was a member of the Liberal Party in the UK. Certainly, by 1922, the last year of David Lloyd George's administration, it's future was gone, and in our time the Liberal Party became progressively (a carefully chosen word) a home for soft-socialists who don't say "fuck" and other refugees from the Labour Party in its various would-be totalitarian Marxist phases. American Libertarianism is an ooh-aah bird flying tight circles with its head up its own backside, so pure in their ideology that sometimes I wonder which universe they inhabit.
>
I'm a lifelong libertarian but as an economist and a mass motivator, I'm pretty sure that Master Muzi is right in his assessment that libertarians do not win in massive democracies , though I would add the qualification "consistently enough to effect lasting change"'; one does occasionally see libertarian initiatives, usually traceable to the grey eminence behind a conservative politician. An example is Mrs Thatcher, who wrecked British education on left-wing lines in the Heath government, completing the work of Shirley Williams, at which time I and many others regarded Ls Thatcher as a mouse whose eyebrows never cleared the battlements. Less than ten years later, under Sir Keith Joseph's tutelage, Margaret Thatcher had become a fire-breathing conservative with many libertarian touches. You may ask, Who was Keith Joseph? He was a don, a university teacher and guru, and the main men of the Conservative Party wanted him as Prime Minister (at the time the Conservative Prime Minister was not elected by the Conservative Caucus but appointed by a self-perpetuating cabal of Tory grandees). Joseph himself was not keen on the wear and tear of supreme leadership and suggested they take his protege instead because, after all, they had taken the butcher's boy Heath, so why not the tradesman's daughter, Thatcher. Her elevation was thus itself made under the influence of a libertarian grey mandarin, and many of her policies bore the imprint of her grey eminence's fine mind and sound instincts.
>
Andre Jute
"And now her watch is ended. We shall not see her like again." -- George R R Martin
>

[Andre Jute]

I wouldn't want to be anywhere nearby when a wind turbine throws a rotor blade. Those things are huge, hefty, and made of resin reinforced fibres which split into cutting edges. Nasty, very. -- AJ
>

[John B.]

I had read something like that before and I wondered. During one
period I worked in the Wing Maintenance Management Office and one of
my duties was to report, to the next higher command, the status of the
various squadron's aircraft. Numbers in commission, i.e. capable of
flying and perform their assigned task(s), and if not in commission
why and the estimated time/date that they would be in commission.

It was the second most important factor in rating a bomb wing, the
most important factor was, of course the ability to carry out the
assigned mission (hit the target with the bombs)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:47:55 -0500, Catrike Rider

Of course. As I've said, the quickest path to elected office is the
statement, "If elected I will give you..."

And obviously it does work.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:31:15 -0500, Catrike Rider

<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:46:48 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 11/29/2023 3:36 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:38:58 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:12:58 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
>>>>> conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
>>>>> hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
>>>>> yet it looks like I might be voting for him
>>>>
>>>> Interesting problem. If you want a fearless strong leader, who will
>>>> "make America great again", and lead you to a promised utopia, Trump
>>>> is that person. However, I seem to recall that you have an aversion
>>>> to someone telling you what to do. Would you really follow Trump's
>>>> leadership?
>>>
>>> I don't plan on him telling me what to do. I'm hoping for a "leader"
>>> that I can ignore.
>>
>>OK but if everyone ignores him, maybe we should redefine
>>'leadership'?
>
>I'm hoping that people who would do harm to others will not be able to
>ignore our "leaders". I'm talking about real "harm" not just hurt
>feelings.
>
>I'm thinking of libertarianism. "Small L"

Well, I had to look that up and it seems to say that it means many
different things. One example, I read, was "it is wrong for the
government to execute an individual for stealing but correct for an
individual to protect himself by shooting someone who steals from him"

It seems rather confused to me :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:36:12 -0500, Catrike Rider

<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:38:58 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:12:58 -0500, Catrike Rider
>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>I could sit down with Obama over a beer and have some pleasant
>>>conversation, but I'd damned well never vote for him. On the other
>>>hand, I'd reject any opportinity to sit down and converse with Trump,
>>>yet it looks like I might be voting for him
>>
>>Interesting problem. If you want a fearless strong leader, who will
>>"make America great again", and lead you to a promised utopia, Trump
>>is that person. However, I seem to recall that you have an aversion
>>to someone telling you what to do. Would you really follow Trump's
>>leadership?

>I don't plan on him telling me what to do. I'm hoping for a "leader"
>that I can ignore.

I think you got my point. A leader, whose followers don't play follow
the leader, is not a very effective leader. Unfortunately, I play the
voting game in the same manner. I tend to vote for the candidate that
I believe will do the least amount of damage. Given next years choice
between a "bull in the china shop" and "blundering confusion", I would
also prefer the latter in the hope that there will be something left
of the country when they're done. Or, I might look at what the 3rd
party candidates have to offer. In 2016, it was Trump vs Hillary but
I voted for Jill Stein, effectively throwing away my vote.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein>
She's a doctor who practiced internal medicine for 25 years. I
sometimes wonder if the US response to the Covid pandemic might have
been more effective and with less drama with Stein as president, than
it did with Trump in control.

Drivel: Sorry about my erratic appearances and disappearances in RBT.
I'm dealing with a grown laundry list of time burners and health
issues that leave little time for RBT. Today's dentistry (chipped
tooth) was quite successful, but expensive ($450). I've been told
that this is cheap by today's standards. Next step is cataract
surgery (one eye at a time).

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:44:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The military started going to hell when Obama took office. He was sending Americans to be killed and not giving them sufficient ammunition. It is extremely easy to say that Aircraft are not up to par because they don't have the latest modifications whereas they can perform the same duties with and without said updates. Aircraft in the Army and Marines are largely helicopters and missing routine maintenance does not put them out of service. What CAN make them un-airworthy is rotor replacement on schedules since rotors can and do break. Hell, wind turbines are breaking blades at unprecedented rates

Nice change of topic from:
Presidential politics -> Pres Trump -> Military equipment failures ->
Helicopter rotors -> and finally to wind turbines. You get the gold
medal in topic drifting.

The increase in wind turbine failures are not caused by blade
failures, but rather by electrical and gearbox lubricant fires:

"The Wind Turbine Fire Problem, By the Numbers"
<https://www.firetrace.com/fire-protection-blog/wind-turbine-fire-statistics>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=wind+turbine+fires&udm=2>

The fires might be worse than the statistics indicate:
<https://www.firetrace.com/wind-turbine-fire>
"In a previous report, the Telegraph and Renewables UK both have
estimated that 91 percent of wind turbine fires go unreported."

However, not everyone agrees as to the most common types of failures:
"Top 3 Types of Wind Turbine Failure"
<https://www.firetrace.com/fire-protection-blog/wind-turbine-failure>
"Some of the common types of wind turbine failure are turbine blades,
generators, and gearboxes." (in that order)

[John B.]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:41:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:44:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>>The military started going to hell when Obama took office. rHe was sending Americans to be killed and not giving them sufficient ammunition. It is extremely easy to say that Aircraft are not up to par because they don't have the latest modifications whereas they can perform the same duties with and without said updates. Aircraft in the Army and Marines are largely helicopters and missing routine maintenance does not put them out of service. What CAN make them un-airworthy is rotor replacement on schedules since rotors can and do break. Hell, wind turbines are breaking blades at unprecedented rates

>
>Nice change of topic from:
>Presidential politics -> Pres Trump -> Military equipment failures ->
>Helicopter rotors -> and finally to wind turbines. You get the gold
>medal in topic drifting.
>
>The increase in wind turbine failures are not caused by blade
>failures, but rather by electrical and gearbox lubricant fires:
>
>"The Wind Turbine Fire Problem, By the Numbers"
><https://www.firetrace.com/fire-protection-blog/wind-turbine-fire-statistics>
><https://www.google.com/search?q=wind+turbine+fires&udm=2>
>
>The fires might be worse than the statistics indicate:
><https://www.firetrace.com/wind-turbine-fire>
>"In a previous report, the Telegraph and Renewables UK both have
>estimated that 91 percent of wind turbine fires go unreported."
>
>However, not everyone agrees as to the most common types of failures:
>"Top 3 Types of Wind Turbine Failure"
><https://www.firetrace.com/fire-protection-blog/wind-turbine-failure>
>"Some of the common types of wind turbine failure are turbine blades,
>generators, and gearboxes." (in that order)

For some one that claims to have worked on airplanes Tom seems
strangely ignorant. USAF airplanes (and civilian airplanes) undergo
series of inspections ranging from a "Pre flight" inspection to
periodic inspections based on hours flown.

And yes there are specification for some damage that do not ground the
airplane. One I remember was that a RB-50 Reconnaissance airplane was
operational and could fly if the forward bomb bay door was inoperative
but could be locked close but was grounded if the aft bomb door was
not operative. It sounds strange until you realize that in an
emergency the crew in the forward compartment bail out through the
entry hatch in the nose wheel compartment while those in the aft
compartment bail out through the aft bomb bay (:-)

As for helicopter rotor blades there are, of course,Pre flight and
periodic inspections and added to that specifications for rotor
"damage" and possible repairs. Basically rotors do get damaged in
normal use, for example, trying to land in too small opening in the
jungle a rotor blade may hit a tree or a limb of a tree and be dented
or heavily scratched. Depending on (1) the depth and length of the
scratch or gash and (2) the location of the damage, it may be possible
to polish or grind out the damage and the rotor can still be used.
Been there and done that.

As for Obama sending people to war and not giving them ammunition that
is a really stupid statement as the branch of the service involved
supply their people with ammunition. Not the President.
I read the following in a U.S. Army report

“THERE IS MORE AMMUNITION IN IRAQ THAN ANY PLACE I’VE
EVER BEEN IN MY LIFE, AND IT IS NOT ALL SECURABLE”

THE US ARMY ENGINEERING AND SUPPORT CENTER, HUNTSVILLE
CAPTURED ENEMY AMMUNITION AND COALITION MUNITIONS
CLEARANCE MISSION, 2003–2008
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 09:13:42 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

Yes, libertarianism means different things to different people, just
like liberal, conservative, socailist, and communist. For me,
liberalism simply means a very limited government and laissez-faire
economics.

[John B.]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:12:07 -0500, Catrike Rider

Laissez-faire economics would, I think, require reliance on something
other then a currency supported by the libertarian government. Hard to
borrow money if the lender doesn't know what you might be doing
tomorrow. Maybe the gold standard? But that would mean that your
currency would fluctuate in value almost daily
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:20:37 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

Of the candidates who have a chance of winning, I'm likely to vote for
the one that I believe will cause the least interference in my life,
or the lives of people I care about. That includes seeing that other
people will not be interfering in the lives of innocent people.

Yes, I know that "interference" is a subjective evaluation.

>Drivel: Sorry about my erratic appearances and disappearances in RBT.
>I'm dealing with a grown laundry list of time burners and health
>issues that leave little time for RBT. Today's dentistry (chipped
>tooth) was quite successful, but expensive ($450). I've been told
>that this is cheap by today's standards. Next step is cataract
>surgery (one eye at a time).

Good luck with that. It worked well for both my wife and myself. She
used to wear "coke_bottle glasses for everything but reading, which
she could do without glasses. Now she only needs drug store readers,
and drug store sunglasses.

[Catrike Rider]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:54:47 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

Huh? I've never had a lender who knew what I was going to do
"tomorrow." Often, I don't even know what I'm going to do tomorrow.