Let's redefine terms. Maybe.

[AMuzi]

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[Catrike Rider]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 15:40:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>https://bikerumor.com/are-paved-trails-the-future-of-sustainable-mountain-biking/

Any paved trail where vehicles are banned is a good trail, in my
opinion.

[AMuzi]

People like what they like. Meh, whatever.

I wonder where we draw the line between 'road' and 'offroad'
if the offroad is paved...

[Tom Kunich]

Yeuhhhhh! Sort of changes the entire meaning of Mountain Biking.

[Catrike Rider]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:53:25 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 11/16/2023 4:07 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 15:40:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> https://bikerumor.com/are-paved-trails-the-future-of-sustainable-mountain-biking/
>>
>> Any paved trail where vehicles are banned is a good trail, in my
>> opinion.
>
>People like what they like. Meh, whatever.
>
>I wonder where we draw the line between 'road' and 'offroad'
>if the offroad is paved...

First, my opinion doesn't really matter, but I think the issue might
be about how deep the wheel ruts are. As more and more people ride
there, it becomes a road and no longer off-road. I've watched, over
several years, as the "off road" trails through Starkey Park get wider
and wider and deeper and deeper.

[Roger Merriman]

Can’t say I have ridden any but your on point essentially, that having
paved means much less maintenance, most trail Centres have hard packed
surface which get gullies and braking bumps and so on.

Fundamentally they are quite a different riding experience to riding your
Mountain Bike over the hills, anyway ie they have jumps, berms, and stuff
like north shore ie it’s very managed and man made environment, or trail at
least.

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

My Tuesday Ride goes up Cull Canyon, The paved road is in pretty good condition since it is a dead end road with perhaps 30 homes on it. But because of the rain the gutters in the dirt on the sides if the road can get to 2 feet deep. So when you're being passed there is a 2 foot deep sharp drop-off on the side of the pavement - This road would probably be better off as packed gravel.

[Roger Merriman]

Sorry you’re going to have to explain that? The gutters are full of dirt?

I’d assume that anything called a Canyon will be steep sided and prone to
land erosion/slides I grew up in a gorge which though much wetter and
temperate climate the land due to its grade can slide, fairly large one few
decades back where the old road collapsed down on to the newer main road
closing both and essentially the gorge, for quite a while.

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

There are no gutters in Cull Canyon. The water runs off of the road and cuts furrows along side of the road until it reaches a point at which there is a drain that allows it to cross the road and run from the drain to the creek. At the bottom of the canyon there used to be a small lake that stored the water for I have no idea what. But it is no longer there and instead is a shallow pond filled completely with mud from the canyon and the surrounding hillsides. The mud a tenth of the way into the canyon creek was so heavy that it created an impromptu dam.

Since California is a several year drought state before a couple of years of rain. Unless you live in the north end of the state or in the central valley flood plane the coastal ranges continuously are washing away exposing rock that then breaks into soil over the drought years. The same thing occurs in the Sierra Nevada's which washes new top soil into the central valley making it some of the richest farm land in the world.

Where native shrubbery and trees still live, it takes pretty much good care of itself. But obscene idiots logged off most of the coastal range and where they did replant they planted Eucalyptus which is a clear and present fire hazard shedding each years new bark onto the forest floor where there are no native plant and animal life that will break it down. This is why there are large fires now though in the past there were large native plant fires simply from the lack of fire control in a giant state with a small population filled with careless people. 1800's fires used to be started by lightning storms where most of today's fires are started by arsonists.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:25:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At the bottom of the canyon there used to be a small lake that stored the water for I have no idea what. But it is no longer there and instead is a shallow pond filled completely with mud from the canyon and the surrounding hillsides.

I assume "bottom" means the south end of Cull Canyon. As far as I can
tell from Google street view, Cull Canyon Lagoon is still there:
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/TQpuV1phUFE6EMxA7>
There are 138 photos of the lagoon, some rather recent.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/3q976GQ7dW4TWZGMA>
Some of the photos show a white sand beach surrounding the lagoon. No
sign of any mud.

Is this the "shallow pond filled completely with mud" or something
else?



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