Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?

[Andre Jute]

"Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212

Can't you worthless morons get anything right, anything at all? Just once?

Andre Jute
This worthless little gang of thugs embarrasses the whole group.

[Rolf Mantel]

The thug Andre Jute wrote:
> This worthless little gang of thugs embarrasses the whole group.

I fully agree on the sentiment but not on the memgership of that gang.

[Sepp Ruf]

Herr Rolf Mantel meinte:

> Andre Jute wrote:
>> This worthless little gang of thugs embarrasses the whole group.
>
> I fully agree on the sentiment but not on the memgership of that gang.

Well, you've certainly earned yourself the honorary "ger" in the
pharmaceutical-informational complex, WEF transhumanism fanboys' gang.

Is everyone here aware that you got hurt by the experimental injection,
Rolf? BTW, the Austrian ministry now generally recommends three days of
physical rest and a whole week of no-sports after a Pfizer crapshot.

How about some audiovisual deprogramming, then? Though the
Stahlhelmeted vaxploitation scene might work better on non-Axis viewers:
<https://odysee.com/@ComputingForever:9/hamburg-syndrome-HD-720p:c>
(And the commenter is wrong about the industrialists' talk near 6:30)

Gotta go, walk the walk.

[Tom Kunich]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 04:58:02 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
>It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
>https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212

So, why is he advising that people should get vaccinated?

"Israeli doctor’s remarks taken out of context"
<https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-israel/fact-check-israeli-doctors-remarks-taken-out-of-context-idUSL1N2UM16X>
"Giris told Reuters that his comments had been incorrectly interpreted
as a suggestion that COVID-19 vaccination was not necessary. In the
Channel 13 news interview, he did make the remarks quoted but also
strongly advised receiving the vaccine."

66.3% of Israeli population is fully vaccinated and 70.1% have
received at least one dose:
<https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact>

I think I'll wait until I read an English translation of the original
interview. My Hebrew is terrible:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv8mwY301sk>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:41:37 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 04:58:02 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
> >It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
> >https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212
> So, why is he advising that people should get vaccinated?

Where in that article did he do that? Are you another Russell Seaton incapable of reading simple English?

> "Israeli doctor’s remarks taken out of context"
> <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-israel/fact-check-israeli-doctors-remarks-taken-out-of-context-idUSL1N2UM16X>
> "Giris told Reuters that his comments had been incorrectly interpreted
> as a suggestion that COVID-19 vaccination was not necessary. In the
> Channel 13 news interview, he did make the remarks quoted but also
> strongly advised receiving the vaccine."
>
> 66.3% of Israeli population is fully vaccinated and 70.1% have
> received at least one dose:
> <https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact>
>
> I think I'll wait until I read an English translation of the original
> interview. My Hebrew is terrible:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv8mwY301sk>

And yet you're just about as anti-Semitic as possible without actually joining the Taliban.

[Andre Jute]

Yup, hoping to catch at least one of the RBT Gang of Thugs' fellow-travelers, I did not name them.
.
So why don't you tell us, dear Rolf, who you think should be included in the membership of the RBT Gang of Thugs, besides you, of course.
.
Andre Jute
I'm not the one trying to shut people up, or expel them. Quite the contrary.
'
.

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:41:37 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 04:58:02 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
> >It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
> >https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212
> So, why is he advising that people should get vaccinated?
>
> "Israeli doctor’s remarks taken out of context"
> <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-israel/fact-check-israeli-doctors-remarks-taken-out-of-context-idUSL1N2UM16X>
> "Giris told Reuters that his comments had been incorrectly interpreted
> as a suggestion that COVID-19 vaccination was not necessary. In the
> Channel 13 news interview, he did make the remarks quoted but also
> strongly advised receiving the vaccine."
>
> 66.3% of Israeli population is fully vaccinated and 70.1% have
> received at least one dose:
> <https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact>

.
Exactly. That makes it certain that a) many of the people now dying and being hospitalized in Israel's upsurge were vaccinated and b) that the vaccines do not offer the protection we were promised. That vaccination level makes the points Tom has been trying to get through your head for about two years now. You guys have already lost this argument and you're about to be humiliated when your political establishment, for political reasons, makes a 180 degree turn and starts spouting Tom's points. You should climb off Krygowski's bullyboy bandwagon and apologize before it is too late .--- AJ
.

[Tom Kunich]

I am in full agreement with you there. I think that people that know nothing should show it to the world. Flunky and Russell do so infinitum. I think that Frank may have finally looked in the mirror and seen himself as others see him and is trying to rectify that. But only time will tell. John is nothing more than a helpless case who believes himself a genius as long as he can type into Google. Comical in a larger sense. It is odd that people that cannot and do not ride bicycles come to this group merely to insult others. Makes you wonder about the emptiness of their personal lives. I had my wife to give a St. Valentines day gift to. I gave her candy and she gave me a saute pan. Do you think that was a loud hint?

[Tom Kunich]

I've been told that everywhere in California all mask mandates have been dropped. Do you suppose that they will begin quoting the CDC studies I pointed out two years ago?

[Andre Jute]

.
Of course they will. But rid yourself of the rational, logical belief that it will have anything to do with the real science, or the real demographics, or anything else a rational person would consider important. Like the original decision to impose vaccine mandates, the decision to cancel the mandates will be driven by political opinion polls, which are now showing that the majority of Americans are fed up with masks and being lectured to by people, from Fauci down, who will say anything for any reason, and have been caught lying time and again. The power grab by the left, enabled by the Chinese COViD virus, has run out of steam too soon for the 2022 elections, and the memory of those useless mask mandates being used as justifications for dishonest power grabs by the Left will still be strong at the polls. Heh-heh! I think it is funny how the Donkey Party screwed themselves. They always try to grab too much, it always rebounds on them, yet they never learn. The RBT Gang of Thugs are running scared: anyone with the least literary sensitivity can read read on RBT that they're becoming more and more desperate, already hysterical with rage almost a year before the election. -- AJ

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:40:48 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute

<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:41:37 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 04:58:02 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
>> >It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
>> >https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212
>> So, why is he advising that people should get vaccinated?
>>
>> "Israeli doctor’s remarks taken out of context"
>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-israel/fact-check-israeli-doctors-remarks-taken-out-of-context-idUSL1N2UM16X>
>> "Giris told Reuters that his comments had been incorrectly interpreted
>> as a suggestion that COVID-19 vaccination was not necessary. In the
>> Channel 13 news interview, he did make the remarks quoted but also
>> strongly advised receiving the vaccine."
>>
>> 66.3% of Israeli population is fully vaccinated and 70.1% have
>> received at least one dose:
>> <https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact>

>Exactly. That makes it certain that a) many of the people now dying and being hospitalized in Israel's upsurge were vaccinated and b) that the vaccines do not offer the protection we were promised. That vaccination level makes the points Tom has been trying to get through your head for about two years now. You guys have already lost this argument and you're about to be humiliated when your political establishment, for political reasons, makes a 180 degree turn and starts spouting Tom's points. You should climb off Krygowski's bullyboy bandwagon and apologize before it is too late .--- AJ
>.

Not exactly. I didn't make any kind of statement pro or con. What I
did was ask a simple question.

"So, why is he advising that people should get vaccinated?"

I should also have asked "Where are the me too doctors, all claiming
they observed that same things, such as "between 70 and 80 percent of
severe cases are vaccinated and boosted, with at least three
injections"
<https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674>
and of substantial waning vaccine efficacy. I haven't tried very hard
to find such corroboration by other medical practitioners. Let's just
say for now I'm having problems with amazing facts and statistics
without sources or source data. Like 93.2% of all statistics are
contrived for the occasion and similar garbage.

Here's a partial translation of the interview:
<https://www.techarp.com/science/jacob-giris-covid-19-vaccine/>
"Professor Giris was telling Channel 13 that the COVID-19 vaccine had
no significance because most of his patients were elderly, and coming
in sick from another disease, with co-morbidities. Those factors are
why they developed severe COVID-19 disease, not the fact that they
were fully-vaccinated."

Meanwhile, please don't build your Tower of Babel and future history
on top of my speculation. It makes for a very poor and unstable
foundation.

[John B.]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 19:09:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire. Tommy rejects the idea of
"Global Warming" but in today's news

Climate change forcing Zimbabwean girls into sex work
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/2/14/climate-change-forcing-zimbabwean-girls-into-to-sex-work
"As global warming continues to devastate rural agriculture, young
women are moving to urban centres – and into prostitution"

So, in Zimbabwe at least Tommy, once again, demonstrates the fact that
he doesn't know what he is talking about (:-)

(or should that be "Zimbabwe once again demonstrates the fact that
Tommy doesn't know what he is talking about"?)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Or maybe it could be worded "PROSTITUTES prove Tommy boy WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!" Does that sound better?

[John B.]

Hmmmm Well, I hadn't thought of that, but you are right. A poor little
Zimbabwe girl, with, the article implies, very limited education,
knows more about "climate change" then tommy.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I don't believe anyone on this forum will find that at all surprising.

[John B.]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:18:36 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"

Well...... Tommy is on this forum (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Why did you take the vaccine then Skippy? Funny how the mandates are being dropped coinciding with dropped caseloads, and no indications from any level of any government agency that its' because the pandemic was a hoax or the vaccines don't work. IT's fun to watch you two flail about, making the same lies over and over. Gee skippy, show us where the CDC says they stopped using PCR because it doesn't work. Maybe once you and sparky get your stories straight we'll give you some credibility. Until then you're both little more than monkeys at the zoo flinging their own feces.
""Magazines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:58:04 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> "Will the 'Unvaxxed' Have the Last Laugh?"
> It sure looks like it. Everything Tom Kunich told us for a couple of years now is coming true. Guess who'll have the last laugh with the unvaxed -- at the RBT Gang of Thugs who failed to silence him. Here's the science, in the process of being unbarnacled from the myths the left clumsily layered on:
> https://townhall.com/columnists/robjenkins/2022/02/13/will-the-unvaxxed-have-the-last-laugh-n2603212
>

I see, andre the Impotent trying to fool anyone into thinking an op-ed from a right wing rag is "science". I'm sure that works with tommy.

> Can't you worthless morons get anything right, anything at all? Just once?

Said the worthless moron trying to pass off right wing op-eds as science.

> Andre Jute
> This worthless little gang of thugs embarrasses the whole group.

And you continue to do so.

[Tom Kunich]

Looks like you hit dead center since this morning they started talking about a surge in covid-19 cases which will delay the ending of this ridiculous mandate.

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:10:08 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Meanwhile, please don't build your Tower of Babel and future history
> on top of my speculation. It makes for a very poor and unstable
> foundation.
>

Now you tell me? -- AJ
>

[Tom Kunich]

Russell, how can you be "misinterpreted" in an in-person TV interview?

Do you understand that it isn't "global warming" but nearly a 77% increase of their population? That they have very limited arable land and piss-poor water availability? Major cities can provide work to supply the need through importation of food and water so they become little more than an entrapped labor supply. But you actually think

When you don't actually think you get everything wrong. Perhaps you should try that thinking. What the hell good is it being smart if you don't actually use it?

[Jeff Liebermann]

I could have recommended that you avoid building a logical empire on
top of ANY speculation that isn't backed by facts. I vaguely recall
some speculative predictions that actually came true, but that was
rare. However, that might be asking too much.

I note that there seems to be some debate in RBT as to what
constitutes a fact. Judging the source seems to the current fashion.
Predictions based on the sources agenda, affiliation, associates,
supporters, partners and accomplices follow closely. One RBT notable
seems to favor anything that condenses from of the steam emitted from
his head. I prefer to follow the links (and the money) back to its
original source if possible. This avoids translation, spelling, and
editing errors, but does require more research time than most people
have available. Facts have become a useless luxury and speculation
without any basis or corroboration seems to be the currently
acceptable norm. Since my speculation and guesswork is at least
partially based on original sources, I suggested that you avoid basing
your speculation and guesswork on my research since it rarely will
align itself with the commonly discussed agendas, political parties,
factions, etc.

It's not about what someone says, but rather who paid them to say it.

[Lou Holtman]

Isn’t the Internet wonderful, where everyone can find confirmation of ones truth.

Lou

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Looks like you hit dead center since this morning they started talking about a surge in covid-19 cases which will delay the ending of this ridiculous mandate.

What surge and who are "they"?

Here's the cases/100K graph for Alameda County broken down by
vaccination status:
<https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiOTAxMzFkOWEtNTgzOC00YWRkLTg3Y2YtMThiODQwMWJhNWUyIiwidCI6IjMyZmRmZjJjLWY4NmUtNGJhMy1hNDdkLTZhNDRhN2Y0NWE2NCJ9>
Kinda looks like it's decreasing. Also looks like the peak case rate
among the unvaccinated was 3.8 times higher than those who have been
vaccinated.

More numbers for Alameda County:
<https://covid-19.acgov.org/data.page>

The national CDC numbers show the same pattern:
<https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases>
Try different orange line graphs under "View (right axis)".

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:26:26 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:19 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:10:08 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I note that there seems to be some debate in RBT as to what
> constitutes a fact.
>

I take the classical view. A fact is that which you can persuade me to agree with you on, though I grasp that many pseudo-facts are merely shared cultural resonances. But I have no intention of even trying to explain what that means to the scum you currently with, though I shall watch with glee while you try.

>
> Judging the source seems to the current fashion.
>

Really? I haven't noticed. (Heh-heh!) It amuses me that slime underfoot that I clearly wouldn't spit on if they were on fire seem to believe that I care what they think.

>
> It's not about what someone says, but rather who paid them to say it.
>

So much of what passes for fact on RBT is merely the opinion of people nobody will ever pay to say anything, because they're clearly not trustworthy, and it isn't even original opinion, it is lowest common denominator pap from the media. The prime proof is their utterances about environmentalism, which is media reductio ad absurdum from the executive summary, which is written by civil servants and more often than not contradicted by the actual science in the main IPCC report, which of course they haven't read. I was over 60 before I stopped being shocked by such dire ignorance.
>
Andre Jute
Why?

[Sepp Ruf]

Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:10:08 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, please don't build your Tower of Babel and future history
>> on top of my speculation. It makes for a very poor and unstable
>> foundation.

Talk about toxic pfizershots being an unstable foundation:
<https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/640>
I shall deduct that just mentioning "Scharf" twice on television
increases the rate of a live moderator collapsing by up to 85%, or more.
Wear your studio helmets, Pfizerites! <;-P

> Now you tell me? -- AJ

Not just you. All of Jeff's readers are left to wonder if his research
is sloppy, has some blind spot, or is deliberately deceitful because his
declared, but incomprehensibly time-wasting mission is to destroy Tom's
reputation.

See, it took me one click on the first page of search results to find
<https://www.spokeo.com/Richard-Hirschman/Alabama?loaded=1>
a data set nicely matching that embalmer in Alabama, which Jeff
supposedly could not. If we can convince Frank to drive to Alabama to
fact-check on Hirschie, he should also try to invite Tiffany Pontes
Dover for a tandem ride. You know, that disappeared Kentucky nurse who
is now said to file her taxes from Higdon, 1,500 souls, Jackson County, Ala.

--
<https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/635> A soviet party member type as the
hero is stupid in Western Europe, but might work with American antifa
Democrats.

[Andre Jute]

I was a liberal once, and suppose I still am. Not in the American sense of a mindless left-winger, of course, more in the classical sense. Standing up for the free speech of everyone regardless of creed or color cost me a homeland and some uncomfortable moments when politicians who didn't know how to behave sent assassins after me for my books. So I welcomed the internet as the flowering of free speech for Everyman, outwith the editorial control of people like me; it didn't seem to me fair that I could step off the plane in Australia and from the airport make a single phone call and get a job as managing editor of an influential group of journals and the same everywhere else, while the local people didn't have a voice, or a television show ditto. But unfortunately, the moment Everyman gained a voice, he used it to shout at the top of his lungs in an attempt to shut up his neighbor; RBT's tenth-raters trying to shut up everyone who doesn't agree with the pap that forms their opinions is a good example. I'm reminded by your post that as, a student, I'd volunteered to fight for the freedom of black people in Africa; the minute they had their own country, they used their freedom to subjugate their neighbors or their own people.
>
Andre Jute
The law of unintended consequences is nobody's friend.
>

[sms]

On 2/15/2022 10:46 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like you hit dead center since this morning they started talking about a surge in covid-19 cases which will delay the ending of this ridiculous mandate.
>
> What surge and who are "they"?

The U.S. is experiencing a sharp decline. But some countries, like
Korea, are having Omicron surges now.

Every time precautions, like mask mandates, are relaxed there's an
uptick in cases. You'd think these politicians would be smart enough to
follow the advice of the CDC and not lift things like mask mandates
prematurely but they are under pressure by low-information governors
like DeSantis who is using Covid for political purposes.

"As more people get infected with a coronavirus variant, there are fewer
people left to infect. When the basic reproductive number falls below
one, new infections reach their peak and then decline. To plateau, the
rate of new infections has to stabilize somewhere near one, but that
would require an unusual set of conditions, according to Lessler."

This is especially relevant to Omicron because it spread so rapidly.

While vaccinations reduce infections, and reduce the severity of Covid
if you are infected, it's masks that reduce the spread. If someone wants
to ignore all the science and not get vaccinated then they should be
extra cautious in terms of isolating themselves and they should be
wearing an N95 or KN95 mask.

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:10:08 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, please don't build your Tower of Babel and future history
> >> on top of my speculation. It makes for a very poor and unstable
> >> foundation.
> Talk about toxic pfizershots being an unstable foundation:
> <https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/640>
>

I clicked on "context" and learned:
"Aktuelle News , der tägliche Wahnsinn. Habe die furchtlose Haltung eines Helden und das liebevolle Herz eines Kindes."
which means, for monoglots:
"Current news, the daily madness. Have the fearless outlook of a hero and the loving heart of a child."
Though I could translate it as Mein Herze schwimmt im Blut, my heart swims in blood, the name of Bach's Cantata 199, currently playing on my hifi, and these non-kulturny monkeys wouldn't know the difference.

>
> I shall deduct that just mentioning "Scharf" twice on television
> increases the rate of a live moderator collapsing by up to 85%, or more.
> Wear your studio helmets, Pfizerites! <;-P
>

I've stopped viewing Scharfie as a simpering buffoon. He means that crap about locking people who won't conform to the Left's destructive, immoral vision into concentration camps. He's more dangerous than the RBT resident clowns, who together don't amount even to a horselaugh.

>
> > Now you tell me? -- AJ
>
> Not just you. All of Jeff's readers are left to wonder if his research
> is sloppy, has some blind spot, or is deliberately deceitful because his
> declared, but incomprehensibly time-wasting mission is to destroy Tom's
> reputation.
>

Jeff's been a mensch in the past, and he will be again. He's just running with the permanent wrongos from RBT''s ghetto at the moment.
>
Time for drinks before dinner. I'll reply to the rest of your letter later.
>
Andre Jute.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:42 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

For Tom: "Sound the alarm. The white coats are coming"

>"As more people get infected with a coronavirus variant, there are fewer
>people left to infect. When the basic reproductive number falls below
>one, new infections reach their peak and then decline. To plateau, the
>rate of new infections has to stabilize somewhere near one, but that
>would require an unusual set of conditions, according to Lessler."

That's the "Effective Reproduction Number", "Effective Reproductive
Number", or just Rt number. Santa Cruz County plots Rt on their Covid
dashboard:
<https://www.santacruzhealth.org/HSAHome/HSADivisions/PublicHealth/CommunicableDiseaseControl/CoronavirusHome.aspx>
Looks like we're doing reasonably well.

Rt by state (click on maps):
<https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/national/united-states/>
Notice that the map shows a decrease in every state.

National Rt, as of Feb 13, 2022:
New confirmed cases by infection date 81449 (35324 - 213110)
Expected change in daily cases Likely decreasing
Effective reproduction no. 0.73 (0.52 - 1.1)
Rate of growth -0.076 (-0.14 - 0.022)
Doubling/halving time (days) -9.1 (32 - -4.9)

0.73 national and 0.63 Calif are ok for now.

[Tom Kunich]

Indeed, what started out to be a source of fact is now almost entirely imaginary or lies where the imagination fails.

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:46:51 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Looks like you hit dead center since this morning they started talking about a surge in covid-19 cases which will delay the ending of this ridiculous mandate.
> What surge and who are "they"?
>
> Here's the cases/100K graph for Alameda County broken down by
> vaccination status:
> <https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiOTAxMzFkOWEtNTgzOC00YWRkLTg3Y2YtMThiODQwMWJhNWUyIiwidCI6IjMyZmRmZjJjLWY4NmUtNGJhMy1hNDdkLTZhNDRhN2Y0NWE2NCJ9>
> Kinda looks like it's decreasing. Also looks like the peak case rate
> among the unvaccinated was 3.8 times higher than those who have been
> vaccinated.
>
> More numbers for Alameda County:
> <https://covid-19.acgov.org/data.page>
>
> The national CDC numbers show the same pattern:
> <https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases>
> Try different orange line graphs under "View (right axis)".

As I was just speaking of. There is NO WAY to prove infection with covid-19. The CDC is presently being sued to PROVE the actual existence of the disease. I have shown a hundred times that they could NOT use PCR to diagnose a disease. Dr. Kary Mullis has said that same thing and he invented the chemistry and won the Nobel prize for it.

Oh, but Jeffy knows all there is to know about this illness doesn't he? He can imagine that something that has supposedly been in existence for 2 years and hasn't even had one single virus shown to cause an illness as claimed.

Why do you insist on being an expert on things you don't have one single iota of knowledge about? Is this your mental illness acting up again? Like the one where you identify as a bicyclist though you don't ride a bicycle and I can't remember when you ever did?

[Tom Kunich]

This is one of those odd things about the Democrats that I have never quite understood. A conservative is probably the most liberal person around. Though they dislike change, they also dislike anyone getting an inequity. Isn't that what Liberalism is really about in the end?

Democrats are shown by everything they do that they are the most illiberal creatures on this planet. Extremist is more descriptive. The trouble is that the Democrats have also highjacked nomenclature and the Republicans for years and years have allowed them to get away with it.

[Tom Kunich]

Explain to everyone here how you diagnose covis-19? I'm getting pretty tired of people that know nothing whatsoever about science quoting some Slime Stream Media ass who knows less than his dog.

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>

> See, it took me one click on the first page of search results to find
> <https://www.spokeo.com/Richard-Hirschman/Alabama?loaded=1>
> a data set nicely matching that embalmer in Alabama, which Jeff
> supposedly could not. If we can convince Frank to drive to Alabama to
> fact-check on Hirschie, he should also try to invite Tiffany Pontes
> Dover for a tandem ride. You know, that disappeared Kentucky nurse who
> is now said to file her taxes from Higdon, 1,500 souls, Jackson County, Ala.
>

Franki-boy is three monkeys who see no truth, hear no truth, profess no truth. He routinely lies with statistics, and then acts offended when those with a better of statistics, or more honesty in our souls, straighten him out. Letting someone as dishonest as Krygowski, Scarfie, and the rest of the RBT thugs loose on excess fatality numbers is pisspoor practice, not because the statistics are difficult, but because the numbers are subtle beyond the imagination of such poorly educated and rigid people, and because to them a set of numbers is not judged on its illumination of facts but solely as buttress for the bee in their bonnets.

>
> <https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/635> A soviet party member type as the
> hero is stupid in Western Europe, but might work with American antifa
> Democrats.
>

I've always wondered why some bright cartoonist didn't make a theme of Angela Merkel as the young Komsomol spokeswoman, the Prussian junior commissar, and assumed it was because she'd have her minions lock up the cartoonist.
>
Andre Jute
Science walks the streets at night, under the lamps of the Place de Laplace.

[Andre Jute]

Absolutely. It's Alinskyism at work, first stealing the language, turning it all into an arm of the dialectic of social destruction, the sense in the common man of not belonging in his own country. It's one of the most hateful dishonesties of the Donkey Party and the Left in general. --- AJ
>

[Tom Kunich]

Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them? Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.

[Andre Jute]

Nah, the key to the Ugly American at Home or Abroad has always been his blithe unconsciousness of objectionable he is. The RBT Gang of Thugs were born Alinkskyites, not made. --- AJ

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Sure we do We also see what they think about you. Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html

In other words the ugly objectionable american is the one that denies the pandemic, denies AGW, limits voting rights, and attacks universal health care as fascism.
Has Andre the Insipid managed to rationalize his attacks on the pandemic and vaccinations with the fact that he eagerly lined up for his jab and booster?
Has Andre the Impotent managed to rationalize how he gloats over using his free public transportation and free health care with his attacks on people in the US advocating for the same?
Andre is as ugly as any american that ever lived, and seems to be proud of his hypocrisy on it.

And by the way skippy, I _do_ know the original intent of the "ugly american" was an homage to an american diplomatic corp engineer who helped Burmese villages develop water pumping systems, farming techniques, and canning businesses from the Burdick and Lederer novel of the same name. Pity nothing you ever wrote has had such staying power.

[sms]

On 2/15/2022 11:51 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:42 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For Tom: "Sound the alarm. The white coats are coming"
>
>> "As more people get infected with a coronavirus variant, there are fewer
>> people left to infect. When the basic reproductive number falls below
>> one, new infections reach their peak and then decline. To plateau, the
>> rate of new infections has to stabilize somewhere near one, but that
>> would require an unusual set of conditions, according to Lessler."
>
> That's the "Effective Reproduction Number", "Effective Reproductive
> Number", or just Rt number. Santa Cruz County plots Rt on their Covid
> dashboard:
> <https://www.santacruzhealth.org/HSAHome/HSADivisions/PublicHealth/CommunicableDiseaseControl/CoronavirusHome.aspx>
> Looks like we're doing reasonably well.
>
> Rt by state (click on maps):
> <https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/national/united-states/>
> Notice that the map shows a decrease in every state.
>
> National Rt, as of Feb 13, 2022:
> New confirmed cases by infection date 81449 (35324 - 213110)
> Expected change in daily cases Likely decreasing
> Effective reproduction no. 0.73 (0.52 - 1.1)
> Rate of growth -0.076 (-0.14 - 0.022)
> Doubling/halving time (days) -9.1 (32 - -4.9)
>
> 0.73 national and 0.63 Calif are ok for now.

Nice summary. Hopefully the reproductive rate continues to stay under 1.
It seems like every time we get to this point, things like mask
requirements, and banning the unvaccinated from certain venues, are
relaxed, then we get a new surge. One positive thing is that the number
of potential super-spreader events is much lower this time of year since
there is less travel and fewer gatherings.

Unfortunately, our two favorite trolls don't have the education or
critical thinking skills to understand any of what you posted. They're
so hopelessly invested in fake news and alternative facts that it's
hopeless to try to educate them. But you go on trying with Tom and Andre!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“If you want to teach fools, I say don't waste your time! If you say I
will learn something from fools then I say you are a fool!” ― Mehmet
Murat ildan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Tom Kunich]

None of these people are bright enough to know who Sal Alinsky was nor how he was the one that taught the Republicans how to fight people like Obama. This in turn forced the Democrats to use election fraud to elect Biden and Biden has destroyed the Democrat Party. Today even the New York Times is seeing the writing on the walls. I doubt that there will be another Democrat elected to high office for at least 30 years. And the Chinese Communist Party will have destroyed itself by then and there will be no psych support for the Democrats so they will be doing good to elect another Jimmy Carter.

[Andre Jute]

I wouldn't wish a resurrected Jimmy Carter on even the Donkey Party. That sanctimonious failure was probably the worst president until Joe the asterisk. -- AJ

[Tom Kunich]

Yes, but his absolute failures led to the Donkey's attempting to racialize everything and then putting in Joe* who has so destroyed his party that I will have 30 years of peace and I'll be gone by then but not before watching (gleefully) the prosecution of the Joe* regime and their 1,000's of years of combined prison time. Anyone that thinks that Trump is going to be so naïve his second term is sadly mistaken. As a businessman it never occurred to him that EVERY office of the government had been corrupted.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html

I thought that was quite effective.

This is another (fictionalized) treatment of some of the same sorts of
issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIpKfw17-yY

As I've said here before, I'm often interested in how things are done in
other states and nations. And I'm a data guy; I think data can generally
tell us what policies work best.

This makes it hard for me to understand the "SOCIALISM!!!" complaints
about proposed improvements in American health care, education, taxes,
gun control, etc.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

I found the novel rather hilarious having lived in the countries in
SEA that the book depicted. The story about the womenfolk being so
enthusiastic because the hero "invented" long handled brooms...
Which had been in use for generations (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Sal Alinsky??? Well, good old Sal started his career raising finds for
The International Brigades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Brigades
which were military brigades organized by the Communists to fight
against the government in the Spanish Civil War... they lost.

He then was involved in various schemes to "help" the improvised by
giving them money and the Black Power movement and the Student New
Left, and various other "socialistic" movements.

From a quick reading of his history he comes across as an
"opportunist" always ready to go for the Bucks.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

BLah blah blah, you idiots said the same thing about hillary - that went real far...not only no prosecutions, not even an investigation until Durham was appointed (and no, sparky, the durham report does _not_ say the clinton campaign spied on the trump campaign https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far).

Meanwhile...https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/02/16/why-its-no-surprise-trumps-accounting-firm-is-saying-his-financial-statements-are-unreliable/?sh=6f9672f57e39
"MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

[Sepp Ruf]

Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> I thought that was quite effective.

To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?

And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> > I thought that was quite effective.
> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?

Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>
> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.

Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.

*https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/

[AMuzi]

On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>

> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>
>>
>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>
> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>
> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>

Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
quislings in Europe?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ

> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.

Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.

[AMuzi]

On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>

>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>>>
>>>>
>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>
>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>
>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>
>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>> quislings in Europe?
>>
>
> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>
> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>

Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
it is.

[Lou Holtman]

Thanks for that clarification. I was not quite sure.

Lou

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> >>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> >>>
> >>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >>>
> >> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> >> quislings in Europe?
> >>
> >
> > Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> >> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> >
> > Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >
> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
> very much aligned to US cultural values.

hmmm....Hungarian Prime Mnister Viktor Orbán said in his 2018 speech at the meeting of the Association of Cities with County Rights, "We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed: we do not want our own colour, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others. We do not want this. We do not want that at all. We do not want to be a diverse country". Is that a value that you think the US already has, or should have?

> The Lithuanians,
> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto.

I haven't seem much of any change at all in Lithuania, culturally or politically. They've been a good ally of the US for decades - since they declared independence from the USSR. They are members in good standing of the EU, the UN, and NATO, and have free national health care. What is this "religion" you speak of?

> Not so
> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
> it is.

Call it as you see it - When their economy collapses and they are taken over by some Islamic State variant, feel free to say 'I told you so'.

[Tom Kunich]

Because of the political turmoil here Andrew has been getting a bit upset. I can forgive him and hope that you can as well. The subject of this group is bicycle.tech after all.

[Sepp Ruf]

AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
>>>>> your trumpian talking points:
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man

>>> Bad? By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just silently

>>> cringe when the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error,
>>> will you?
>>
>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
>> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic
>> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll
>> find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion
>> of trump.

You confuse real thought with majority sentiment. Well done, Flunkie,
you reliably keep scoring for the opposite team.

>> Perhaps ask [Jute] to explain to you why he willingly followed his

>> governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their
>> socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing
>> USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the
>> same benefits he enjoys?

AFAIR, Andre writes as a self-professed polemicist, not bound by your
idea of reserving full freedom of expression to the factually and
politically correct US resident. Unsurprisingly, you fail to notice
that your complaint seems uncomfortably close to Tom's notion of US
taxpayers enjoying full rbt privileges. Assumably, the old fellows,
like elsewhere, followed a trusted doctor's advice before any Irish
government orders. I will not blame the elderly, the obese, the frail,
or the politically inexperienced for getting themselves experimentally
injected.

>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains
>>> missed the the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies: At 03:50
>>> in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African Frenchie
>>> acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun pointed
>>> at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed
>>> things up.
>>
>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our
>> resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost
>> unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow
>> make some sort of point is completely lost as a result. Seriously -
>> unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make
>> The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The
>> Federalist Papers.

Meister genius, you should worry more about looking so foolish against
an aged, international polemicist and an aged, and brain-injured,
Californian. And as an accountant, please try not to lecture anyone
except Volkswagen or Pfizer on what a fictional parody might be.

So here's the deal, Funkmariechen: The woke NYT's fat Belgian
interviewee was the only one in that Erasmus millennial freakshow who
looked like fun. Before moving to Brussels to ride paves on weekends,
and to ride on silly roadside facilities each workday, you pass French
proficiency tests, plus some Dutch lessons.

>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/

>
> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings
> in Europe?

We'll disagree on who might be whose quisling, but when Lou can agree
with above sentence, it can be considered consensual.


--
"What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians
out, and the Germans down."
- Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 3:16:27 PM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
> >>>>> your trumpian talking points:
> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> >>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> >>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man
> >>> Bad? By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just silently
> >>> cringe when the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error,
> >>> will you?
> >>
> >> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
> >> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic
> >> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll
> >> find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion
> >> of trump.
> You confuse real thought with majority sentiment.

Careful, your language barrier is showing. Or are you going to claim the majority's opinion isn't relevant or representative?

> Well done, Flunkie,
> you reliably keep scoring for the opposite team.

And yet you still fail to counter the points of the NYT article with anything other than an ad hominem. Sorry roofie, Your side of the tally is still blank.

> >> Perhaps ask [Jute] to explain to you why he willingly followed his
> >> governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their
> >> socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing
> >> USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the
> >> same benefits he enjoys?
> AFAIR, Andre writes as a self-professed polemicist, not bound by your
> idea of reserving full freedom of expression to the factually and
> politically correct US resident.

In other words, you admit andre is a hypocrite, got it.

> Unsurprisingly, you fail to notice
> that your complaint seems uncomfortably close to Tom's notion of US
> taxpayers enjoying full rbt privileges.

Really? Tommy's on board with vaccine mandates and socialized medicine? You should tell him that, I don't think he knows.

> Assumably, the old fellows,
> like elsewhere, followed a trusted doctor's advice before any Irish
> government orders.

So again, Andre is following a trusted doctors advice to get vaccinated, while behaving like a poo-flinging anti-vax rhesus in this forum.

> I will not blame the elderly, the obese, the frail,
> or the politically inexperienced for getting themselves experimentally
> injected.

Nor do I, I only expect them to be honest about it.

> Meister genius, you should worry more about looking so foolish against
> an aged, international polemicist and an aged, and brain-injured,
> Californian.

Trust me, I'm not the one looking like a fool here. The ones who posts links claiming the CDC admits masks don't work, when those links state the exact opposite are much more in danger of that.

> And as an accountant, please try not to lecture anyone
> except Volkswagen or Pfizer on what a fictional parody might be.

Maybe I would if I were an accountant. Who isn't paying attention here?

> So here's the deal, Funkmariechen: The woke NYT's fat Belgian
> interviewee was the only one in that Erasmus millennial freakshow who
> looked like fun. Before moving to Brussels to ride paves on weekends,
> and to ride on silly roadside facilities each workday, you pass French
> proficiency tests, plus some Dutch lessons.

And again, maybe have that checked by someone in your native language who is more well-versed in English. It makes as much sense as tommy responding to links of women that aptly handle 12-gauge shotguns with "so you admit women can ride faster than you"

>
> >> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >
> > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings
> > in Europe?
> We'll disagree on who might be whose quisling, but when Lou can agree
> with above sentence, it can be considered consensual.

Funny, I read Lou's response as a sarcastic reply. I could be wrong, perhaps he would be willing to clarify.

[AMuzi]

Belarus is importing jihadis on their state airline and
dumping them at the Lithuanian border:

https://apnews.com/article/europe-immigration-migration-belarus-lithuania-342b8c966e57c41f3ebf0bbd8b3d232e

Lithuania is a small and not rich country.

Hungary has a double-row tall razor wire complete border
barrier which has been very effective and enthusiastically
supported by the voters.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/17/2022 8:51 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings in
> Europe?

If we were talking about mere opinions, pulled Kunich-style out of their
nether orifices, perhaps you could justify ignoring them. But did you
miss the fact that those people were reacting to actual data? Their
opinions are reactions to _facts_.

And while I recognize that the right wing has no great love of facts,
the _facts_ are that in the matters discussed, U.S. policies and their
results compare dismally with most of western Europe's policies and
results.

In my mind, the most blatant examples are the policies regarding health
care, guns and income/wealth disparity - although you could certainly
add our policies on criminal justice, "defense" spending and many others
if you choose.

Medical treatment: The U.S. spends far, far more than any other
developed country. A far smaller portion of the population gets proper
medical care. Medical costs are a major factor in personal bankruptcies.
Our infant mortality rates are comparatively dismal. Our life
expectancies are not much better. We pay _way_ more and get much worse
results. How is that smart?

Gun policy: Any whacko can easily get as many guns as he wants that are
designed primarily for killing people. Sure, most are not used for that
purpose; they're used only for target practice to pretend to kill
people, or to keep in a drawer in case some other whacko barges into
your house with _his_ gun. But that's still the main reason the U.S.
firearm death rate is a dozen times worse than that of Europe.

Income/wealth disparity: Anyone with a glimmering of knowledge of
history should understand that societies do better if the poor don't
have their noses rubbed in the shit of the super-wealthy. Extreme
disparities generate crime and occasionally revolution, and in the U.S.
that usually involves those guns. When a punk who has to save up to buy
a McDonalds meal walks past an iPhone store or high-end jewelry store,
serious temptation isn't unlikely. It explains a lot of our crime rate.

What we've got, if you think about it, is a huge "natural experiment."
We've got different societies with different policies - specifically,
the U.S. vs. almost all other developed nations. It's smart to look at
the resulting data from this "natural experiment."

But that data looks bad for the U.S., at least to anyone who is willing
to remove their ideological blinders.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Lou Holtman]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:08:42 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Funny, I read Lou's response as a sarcastic reply. I could be wrong, perhaps he would be willing to clarify.

It is better for me to only discuss bicycle matters with Mr.Muzi. It is what it is.

Lou

[Frank Krygowski]

My, what a fact-free post!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

I understand how Andrew feels. After all, he's been paying his taxes like a good citizen for fifty-odd years, only to see president after president spend a good chunk of it on nations who not only were not grateful, but abusive, and pretended they were morally superior while not paying their bills and that the Americans should apologize for being born, which president after president did (well, between Nixon and Trump, anyway).

And, as an aside, Andrew is absolutely right about quislings, though they aren't Norwegians this time but Germans, and he's right about the reasons too. Germany's suicidal energy policy, based on zero science, is the reason that Germany is handing over Western Europe to the Russians, who will be in a position to dictate EU policy through the Germans, simply by threatening that "terrorists" will blow up the gas pipelines. Nobody will be under any illusion that the "terrorists" in question will be serving FSB officers who will receiv their orders from Colonel Vladimir Putin (KGB semi-retired) himself.

But that is merely the last in a line of betrayals of European humanism the German nation (actually nations) have perpetrated.

Andrew and I aren't the first to notice or to mention it. Jacques Barzun (nobody's right-winger, for those clowns on RBT who always want to argue personalities rather than policies) in his most important book, From Dawn to Decadence, proceeds from the safe assumption that the Renaissance was the high point of Western culture, and that the story since then has been downhill. Mark Steyn adds that the decline of a great empire can be a very comfortable period for those who live through it; no era in world history has had it as good as we have. But the problem is the demographics of abortion, and the absence of any desire to breed above the low-low "replacement" rate current in Europe, from which no nation has ever returned, and Merkel's stupid, guilt-ridden attempt to replace the children she and her contemporaries didn't breed with Islamic "refugees" who will kill our culture, and forcing more of these alien immigrants on everyone else, the root cause of Brexit and the revolt against German-made EU policy by Hungary etc.

The Germans in charge of the destruction of our culture don't need tanks. They own the EU, and in parts of the EU it is a criminal offense thoughtcrime to mention that the Germans are the bullies of the EU. Here's an example. The bondholders of a corporation, say a bank, is recompensed for the risk by being permitted to buy the bond at "a coupon rate", which is a discount on the face value. In law the stockholders and bondholders have no right against the bank. If the bank for any reason goes bankrupt, the bondholders have already been paid for the risk they took. When Irish banks crashed (in a property debacle I'd been forecasting for nearly two decades, and about which I'd written that the finance minister in charge should have been castrated so he couldn't breed any morons), the EU minions of Merkel said outright that they wouldn't bail out the Irish banks unless German bondholders were made good for their full purchase price of the bonds. This is a totalitarian undermining of a common economic principle with nothing hugely deleterious results, an absolute rolling clusterfuck that has made it impossible for the dicier European governments to borrow money from the usual sources, leading to ever-greater EU involvement in the financial markets, and government finances, cf Italy for a gross example. I remind you that the EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, of no high quality, with extremely spotty and mostly incompetent oversight, and very often no oversight, wielding immense authority without punishment for errors, totally unaccountable. I'm in absolutely no doubt that neither Jean Monnet nor Konrad Adenauer, the men responsible for the founding of the EU, would have wanted the fascist state the EU has become -- they founded the EU as a barrier against overweening powers after their none too happy experiences of German, Italian and Russian totalitarianism (I don't see much difference between them, certainly no right-left divide).

I doubt we could have done better than Monnet and Adenauer. But the Germans have done so much worse in the decades since, often with the enthusiastic help of the French, that a conspiracy is ruled out only by the knowledge that the EU leaks like a sieve and cannot plot a pissup in a brewery.

Andre Jute
"Sad." -- Donald J Trump, past and future President of the USA

[sms]

Agreed. Mr. Muzi knows a lot about bicycle matters.

[Andre Jute]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>
> Funkmariechen
>
Thanks for the giggle, Sepp. The little non-kulturny twerp will never get the pun in a foreign language. Don't translate for him; let him worry about it.

>
> "What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians
> out, and the Germans down."
> - Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay
>

Yes, and a very good idea it was too, when people remembered that the vindictive Peace of Versailles just about guaranteed another world war. But now the Germans have become so rich and powerful, they don't need tanks when they own the EU. The logical progression from where stand today is that Ismay's quip will be rewritten by a Russian.
>
Andre Jute
Still, it is better than the nuclear winter threatened by the fear-mongers back when I was a boy.

[Tom Kunich]

Our posting friend Russell is the bookkeeper and I applaud that although he is often incorrect he has at least the courage to be so under his own name. Flunky has claimed at different times for be an engineer which he so plainly is not. At other times he has claimed to be a manager of technicians for which plainly he is underqualified but no doubt has the ego for.

While recovering from my concussion and resulting untreated seizures. I appeared to several people here to be bragging about my accomplishments when rather I was relearning my past and rather surprised by it. Why shouldn't I be impressed with accomplishments that would be the pride of a masters degree? Now that the engineering part of my memory has largely returned I find it somewhat humorous that companies would rather go broke than hire me because I don't have a degree. I have no need of a job, I am independently wealthy. I would apply only as a challenge.

Elon Musk really hasn't a real education. He has a BS in economics and a BA is physics. Rather backwards. His innate intelligence is the source of all of his accomplishments and not his education. Rather as proof of that, he was accepted at Stanford in a PhD program and dropped out after two days to get rich instead. One should probably ask - wasn't the point of education to be able to earn a descent living? And isn't getting rich proof of education?

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, you should at least attempt to stay on the rails. Yes, medical care is very expensive in the United States. Almost ALL of the medical advances in the world come the US and that is financed by the people who need and use it. A person in the US with your so-called "poor medical care" is generally healthier than people elsewhere save Europe and they are not healthier because of medical care but because of genetic conditioning. 1,000 plagues in a dense population tend to have survival of the fittest and not survival of those with the best medical care.

As for your fear of guns - I wonder why you couldn't look up just how dangerous the US is?

El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)
Brazil (30.8),
Venezuela (49.9),
Colombia (25)

The US has 17.2 despite having a very large racial difference.

Africa's rate came in at 13.0, but with the major caveat that "the raw statistics for many countries are not available." Similarly, Oceania posted an impressive rate of 2.8, but official homicide reports "tend to deviate substantially from information on violence contained in hospital records," suggesting that many homicides may be going unreported to the police. Finally, Europe (3.0) and Asia (2.3) displayed rates of less than half the global average.

Though little reported Russia is a higher murder rate than they report. China claims to not have murder and yet the Chinese gangs murder at will and they use torture and slaughter of children.

Japan is the country with the lowest rates of homicide. This is because murder is punished with hanging. And they NEVER defund the police.

You frown upon that.

You don't like disparity of income? Too bad. You don't have a say over that. All of your comments amount to a small bowl of beans. There is someone with a very large set of ideological blinders and it is you.

[John B.]

And this morning's news has it that
Donald Trump must testify in New York investigation, judge rules

Judge Arthur Engoron on Thursday ordered Trump and his two eldest
children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr, to comply with subpoenas issued
in December by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is probing
Trump’s real estate development group.

and goes on to say

James has said her investigation has revealed evidence Trump’s company
used “fraudulent or misleading” valuations of assets like golf resorts
and skyscrapers to get loans and tax benefits. But, if Trump testifies
in the civil probe, anything he says could be used against him in the
criminal investigation, his lawyers said.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

This is the US of 2022. You have the same chance of getting rich that virtually everyone else does. Frank's dope dealer is richer than he is. Of that awful homicide rate that he cries about - 50% of it are caused by 7% of the population (blacks) and another 26% by Hispanic gangs that Frank is all for letting into this country.

Using those figures makes the overwhelming majority of Americans almost equal to the average of Europe in homicide rates. And let's please remember that violence in Europe also doesn't match hospital records. So Frank is flying high on his political ideologies with no real points on his arrows.

[John B.]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>

>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>>
>>>
>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>
>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>
>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>
>
>Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>quislings in Europe?

Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe

[John B.]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>

>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

Don't forget that after 20 years the Afghanistanies finally kicked
your arse out of their country and now

"US announces more than $300M in Afghanistan aid amid winter disasters
The latest contribution brings the total amount of assistance from
Washington to Afghanistan and Afghan refugees in the region to nearly
$782 million since October..."

The book, "The Mouse That Roared" is not fiction.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

It's a State of NY case from an AG who ran on the promise of
a Donald J Trump witch hunt and she's fulfilling her
campaign promise, facts be damned. NY already has his
purloined tax forms (for anyone else that's felonious) and
didn't find much of anything notable beyond employee use of
(clutch pearls here) company vehicle. OMG! That's never ever
happened anywhere before! pfft.

Besides which the real property records, assessments, code
violations, inspection records, complaints and taxes are all
public record. If there was a there there it would be
already known.

Anyone familiar with commercial real estate knows it's a
running series of artful presentations where the investors,
the banks, the tenants and the assessor all are given
different 'valuations' at different times. And he's not only
a pro, he prospered in that environment.

Quote me on this: This nth iteration of 'examining Trump
real estate' is going nowhere.

[AMuzi]

On 2/17/2022 6:39 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>

>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>>>
>>>>
>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>
>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>
>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>
>>
>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>> quislings in Europe?
>
> Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
> pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe
> (:-)
>

It is the official policy of the US of A at the moment that
our domestic energy industries ought to be crushed and
closed while Russia and The Kingdom prosper.

[AMuzi]

On 2/17/2022 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>>

>>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

Afghanis will see none of it. As usual.

The current Administration is paying that to the Persians to
pay the Taliban. Any fungible funding for Lebanese Hezbollah
missiles launched at Israel or Houthi missiles into Abu
Dhabi office buildings are coincidental. Nothing to see
here, move along.

After all , nothing's more efficient, targeted and useful
than a US Government cash giveaway:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/17/new-york-street-gang-members-busted-fraud-charges-/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/criminals-have-stolen-nearly-100-billion-in-covid-relief-funds-secret-service.html

Both the Persian regime and the Taliban are quite
trustworthy. Just ask Antony Blinken!

[John B.]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:07:33 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 6:39 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>

>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>>
>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>
>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>> quislings in Europe?
>>
>> Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
>> pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe
>> (:-)
>>
>
>It is the official policy of the US of A at the moment that
>our domestic energy industries ought to be crushed and
>closed while Russia and The Kingdom prosper.

I have no idea about current U.S. energy policies, but traveling half
way round the world to oppose a pipeline being built by a foreign
country in several other foreign countries seems.... well a little
dictatorial, does it not?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:15:42 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?

By Persia I assume that you are referring to Iran. but I don't see
large bundles of money being given to Iran and forwarded to
Afghanistan.

The Telaban is now the de facto ruler of Afghanistan and I've read
several reports on Telaban financing and I see assumed support from
Pakistan Russia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia - estimated to be, perhaps,
$140 million, The Opium trade is estimated to bring in at least $416
million, mining and minerals - possible as much as $ 464 million, and
taxes, etc, perhaps $160 million.

And, of course the U.S. but they weren't included in the estimates I
quoted above but I did read a rather vague about the U.S. releasing
some sort of scansions on Iran if...

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Pfffttt indeed. When I worked in advertising, my contract gave me a big car (generally Mercedes; I revolted when they tried to give me a big soft Rolls when we briefly had something to do with their promotion -- it wasn't until a lotta years later that I fell in love with the Bentley Turbo )with a driver, and a car of my own choice (which were Porsche, several, Jensen Interceptor, Aston Martin Vantage, Citroen SM, Iso Rivolta, Maserati, and suchlike) to drive over weekends, and the same when I worked at the foreign offices. I've never had a job where a car didn't come with the job. A judge who allows petty crap like driving company cars over weekends will be a laughing stock.

>
> Besides which the real property records, assessments, code
> violations, inspection records, complaints and taxes are all
> public record. If there was a there there it would be
> already known.
>
> Anyone familiar with commercial real estate knows it's a
> running series of artful presentations where the investors,
> the banks, the tenants and the assessor all are given
> different 'valuations' at different times. And he's not only
> a pro, he prospered in that environment.
>
> Quote me on this: This nth iteration of 'examining Trump
> real estate' is going nowhere.
>

There'll be some petty crap and a Democrat judge salivatingly reproving Mr Trump for it, and then the idiots in the Donkey Party will impeach him for it, because it will at least be more real than their first two attempts.

>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Andre Jute
While the rest of us laugh our heads off.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I think its important to listen and understand everyone's opinion about many different matters. Even the Republicans do have some valid points. An example. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s, the USA blindly supported the Shah of Iran. We did not listen or pay attention to the subjects of Iran. We did not care about their opinion. But the Ayatollah did listen to their opinion. And from about 1979 until today, Iran has been a sore point in the USA. It is very likely we could have easily prevented this.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Enthusiastically supported by the voters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1n
"Because of Orbán's curtailing of press freedom, erosion of judicial independence and undermining of multiparty democracy, many political scientists and watchdogs consider Hungary to have experienced democratic backsliding during Orbán's tenure. Orbán's attacks on the European Union while accepting its money and funneling it to his allies and family have also led to characterizations of his government as a kleptocracy."

East Germany, the USSR, put a wall around West Berlin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
"The Wall cut off West Berlin from surrounding East Germany, including East Berlin.......The Eastern Bloc portrayed the Wall as protecting its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" from building a socialist state in East Germany."

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Accountant, not bookkeeper. Your mistake is analogous, except 100% opposite, of you claiming to be an engineer, except you are a toolbox carrier and floor sweeper.

>
> While recovering from my concussion and resulting untreated seizures. I appeared to several people here to be bragging about my accomplishments when rather I was relearning my past and rather surprised by it. Why shouldn't I be impressed with accomplishments that would be the pride of a masters degree? Now that the engineering part of my memory has largely returned I find it somewhat humorous that companies would rather go broke than hire me because I don't have a degree. I have no need of a job, I am independently wealthy. I would apply only as a challenge.
>
> Elon Musk really hasn't a real education. He has a BS in economics and a BA is physics. Rather backwards. His innate intelligence is the source of all of his accomplishments and not his education. Rather as proof of that, he was accepted at Stanford in a PhD program and dropped out after two days to get rich instead. One should probably ask - wasn't the point of education to be able to earn a descent living? And isn't getting rich proof of education?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
"Musk was born to a Canadian mother and South African father, and raised in Pretoria, South Africa. He briefly attended the University of Pretoria before moving to Canada at age 17 to avoid conscription."

??? My Dad and uncles were all conscripted by the US military. They did not run away and hide in another country. Or claim bone spurs.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Hmmmmm. One of my grandpas was born in Germany. Not sure about the other three. But all are immigrants or children of immigrants from Europe. I am only the second or third or fourth generation born in America. Since you are a genetics expert Tommy, do you think genetics change so quickly in just two or three or four breedings?

1,000 plagues in a dense population tend to have survival of the fittest and not survival of those with the best medical care.
>
> As for your fear of guns - I wonder why you couldn't look up just how dangerous the US is?
>
> El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
> Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
> Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
> Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
> Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
> Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
> Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
> South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
> Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
> Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)
> Brazil (30.8),
> Venezuela (49.9),
> Colombia (25)
>
> The US has 17.2 despite having a very large racial difference.

We should be very proud in the USA that we beat out Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, Nigeria, South Africa, Honduras for murder rate. Good comparison Tommy. How does the USA compare to the other G7 countries? Like Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Japan? You do mention Japan is the lowest down below. And Europe is very low like Japan too. But maybe Canada is murdering people left and right up north.

[John B.]

If you read post WW II history the U.S. has, I believe without fail,
supported regimes that were friendly to the U.S.... which, in essence,
makes sense.

But on the other hand they seem to underwrite leaders who have an
affinity for upsetting the population, or perhaps more accurately, the
"Big Guys". In Korea, the U.S. installed, or accepted Syngman Rhee who
was so corrupt that the CIA, it is said, had to flew him out to exile
in Hawaii or he would have been assassinated. In Viet Nam the U.S.
supported the Ngô Ðình Diem tribe who were fanatical Christians in a
largely non-Christian country, and who were ultimately assassinated.
Then, of course the Iran thing where the U.S. were active in the
overthrow of a dully elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mossadeq. Then
Iraq where admittedly I don't keep track of but the last I read there
was still the "green zone" where it is safe for foreigners to stay.
Then, of course, there is the Afghanistan thing... history tells us
that no foreign country has ever conquered Afghanistan. The British
did control the capital after the 2nd Afghan war but they never
controlled the countryside.

I find it peculiar that a country that is so advanced makes so many
bad judgments.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Rolf Mantel]

Am 17.02.2022 um 18:46 schrieb AMuzi:
> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
>>>>>>> your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>
>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
>>>> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic

>>>> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll

>> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5,
>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see
>>> what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>
>> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of
>> Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your
>> trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_
>> refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in
>> those areas.

>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" -
>> Tom Kunich
>

> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are very much
> aligned to US cultural values.

Are you talking about the cultural value of "bringing as much government
money into private pockets"? Yes, Mr Orban is nearly as good at this
game as Mr Trump.
Are you talking about "No abortions if at all possible"? Yes, Texas and
Poland are pretty much on one line, while the Netherlands and New
England are on the opposite end of the scale (my understanding was that
Wisconsin and Minnesota are somewhere in the middle but nearer to New
York than to Texas).
Are you talking about "Let's stack the courts in an unbalanced way"?
PIS and the Republicains are having similar ideas, but the Republicains
were lacking the ruthlessness to force existing judges into retirement
in order to get the chance to re-appoint the positions.

Rolf

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

+1

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >
> > Funkmariechen
> >
> Thanks for the giggle, Sepp. The little non-kulturny twerp will never get the pun in a foreign language. Don't translate for him; let him worry about it.

Believe me when I tell you, I have absolutely no worries what 'secret' language you you three dullards share amoungst yourselves, at the end of the day it's the same result - andre is a eagerly deceitful and hypocritical little troll, kunich is a qanon tool, and sepp is a sycophant for you both. My ego remains intact and robust, unlike andre revealing his frailty by peppering this forum with non-cycling related bullshit to vent his frustration at being able to wallpaper his government subsidized hovel with rejection letters.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Flunky has claimed at different times for be an engineer which he so plainly is not.

Sure sparky, Got that link on how to test cables with PWM yet*? How how about that link showing 'light lines' is a common term for fiber optics?

> At other times he has claimed to be a manager of technicians for which plainly he is underqualified but no doubt has the ego for.

It's no surprise that you can't grasp the idea that both are possible, even from someone whom you would deem qualified (given tommy's utter lack of technical ability, it's likely he would pick such individuals based on their political affiliation)

>
> While recovering from my concussion and resulting untreated seizures.
> I appeared to several people here to be bragging about my accomplishments when rather I was relearning my past and rather surprised by it.

Sure sparky, bragging ≠ announcing how great your "accomplishments" are.

> Why shouldn't I be impressed with accomplishments that would be the pride of a masters degree?

A master's level engineer would be embarrassed by your work history, mr. 'light lines'.

> Now that the engineering part of my memory has largely returned I find it somewhat humorous
> that companies would rather go broke than hire me because I don't have a degree.
> I have no need of a job, I am independently wealthy. I would apply only as a challenge.

Here's a challenge - keep a job for more than year. Pretty much everyone else on the planet can do it, except of course for the most ignorant and arrogant amoung us.

>
> Elon Musk really hasn't a real education. He has a BS in economics and a BA is physics.

Ahhh hahahah!!! A BS in economics and a BA in physics _isn't_ a real education.....A BS in economics and a BA is physics is completely irrelevant to a one of the richest guys in the world who made his fortune in technology companies....I gues that the kind of "reasning" we should expect from someone who thinks Obama inherited a good economy.....HAH!!!

> Rather backwards. His innate intelligence is the source of all of his accomplishments and not his education.
> Rather as proof of that, he was accepted at Stanford in a PhD program and dropped out after two days to get rich instead.
> One should probably ask - wasn't the point of education to be able to earn a descent living?

yes, it doesn't always work.

> And isn't getting rich proof of education?

No, and no one here ever claimed that it is.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 9:04:44 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> It's a State of NY case from an AG who ran on the promise of
> a Donald J Trump witch hunt and she's fulfilling her
> campaign promise, facts be damned. NY already has his
> purloined tax forms (for anyone else that's felonious) and
> didn't find much of anything notable beyond employee use of
> (clutch pearls here) company vehicle. OMG! That's never ever
> happened anywhere before! pfft.
>
> Besides which the real property records, assessments, code
> violations, inspection records, complaints and taxes are all
> public record. If there was a there there it would be
> already known.
>
> Anyone familiar with commercial real estate knows it's a
> running series of artful presentations where the investors,
> the banks, the tenants and the assessor all are given
> different 'valuations' at different times. And he's not only
> a pro, he prospered in that environment.
>
> Quote me on this: This nth iteration of 'examining Trump
> real estate' is going nowhere.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/02/16/why-its-no-surprise-trumps-accounting-firm-is-saying-his-financial-statements-are-unreliable/?sh=1efc6ff77e39

[Sepp Ruf]

Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>
>> Funkmariechen
>>

> The little non-kulturny twerp will never
> get the pun in a foreign language. Don't translate for him; let him
> worry about it.

Oh, the search engines are awfully fault-tolerant, but it won't help
her. Long time since I came across some caricature of a
chauvinist-bolshie minded junior-high bully who deemed himself a better
American than Freisler ever was.

>> "What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the
>> Russians out, and the Germans down." - Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay
>>
> Yes, and a very good idea it was too, when people remembered that the
> vindictive Peace of Versailles just about guaranteed another world
> war. But now the Germans have become so rich and powerful, they don't
> need tanks when they own the EU.

That's gone, the valuables are now in the pockets of BlackRock, Arab
oil, or the Xi-CP. Sitting in the EU's Atlantic tax haven, painting,
enjoying drinks, reading your favorite London publishers, you might have
missed the implications of eurosystem's Target-2 mechanism. Basically,
the eurozone's South buying Northern goods on credit never designed to
be paid back. Draghi, Lagarde and their German quislings have
increasingly wounded the utility of pesty cash currency in order to
minimize resistance to the rollout of the digital-ID based global
digital dictatorship. Which, of course, is only a conspiracy theory,
just as strangely deficient public personalities are ... who regularly
turn out to be WEF young global leaders:
<https://twitter.com/JoyCannabis/status/1493426769176633349>

> The logical progression from where [we]

> stand today is that Ismay's quip will be rewritten by a Russian.

You might like this poster,
<https://eabo.abobeats.de/eabo_3/data/162/import/EZ%2045_Seite_01_klein-1.jpg>
in case your old one, above the classic record player, has faded:
<https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-bolschewismus-heisst-die-welt-im-blut-ersufen-171343809.html>

> Still, it is better than the nuclear winter threatened by
> the fear-mongers back when I was a boy.

At least, unlike today's woke imbeciles, you would not consider prancing
around the radio, triumphantly shouting, "fake news! fake news!" when
catching a Russion station on shortwave.
<http://www.intervalsignals.net/Files/rus-z-rm_na_service_1961.m3u>

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:22:51 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>
> I have no idea about current U.S. energy policies,

But you won't hesitate to comment on it as if your did.

[Tom Kunich]

You point being that the Ayatollah is so much more just and honest with his citizens than the Shah was. Become a suicide bomber and your place in heaven is assured.

[Tom Kunich]

Wouldn't the question be: what is court packing? Judges who follow the law or those who make it up as they go along such as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg who in her decisions often doesn't quote the US Constitution but laws in foreign countries?

[Tom Kunich]

Quoting an author who claimed that Trump wasn't a billionaire. Good try.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/17/2022 7:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/17/2022 8:51 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>

>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings in
>>> Europe?

> Frank, you should at least attempt to stay on the rails. Yes, medical care is very expensive in the United States. Almost ALL of the medical advances in the world come the US and that is financed by the people who need and use it. A person in the US with your so-called "poor medical care" is generally healthier than people elsewhere save Europe and they are not healthier because of medical care but because of genetic conditioning. 1,000 plagues in a dense population tend to have survival of the fittest and not survival of those with the best medical care.

>
> As for your fear of guns - I wonder why you couldn't look up just how dangerous the US is?
>
> El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
> Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
> Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
> Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
> Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
> Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
> Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
> South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
> Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
> Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)
> Brazil (30.8),
> Venezuela (49.9),
> Colombia (25)
>
> The US has 17.2 despite having a very large racial difference.

:-) HURRAY! The U.S. beat Belize! We're number 1! We're number 1!

... um, well, actually we're something like number 40, way behind places
like Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

But Tom, believe whatever you must in order to feel better about yourself.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Sepp Ruf]

Tom Kunich wrote:

> Our posting friend Russell is the bookkeeper

[or as he prefers, accountant]

Thanks, I mixed up two individuals because I rarely read them.

> While recovering from my concussion and resulting untreated seizures.
> I appeared to several people here to be bragging about my
> accomplishments when rather I was relearning my past and rather
> surprised by it.

Can you, or others around in 1950's America, date this video and recall
the name of the commie-hunting presenter?
<https://t.me/Kulturstudio/22215>

> Elon Musk really hasn't a real education. He has a BS in economics

> and a BA is physics. Rather backwards. His innate intelligence is the

> source of all of his accomplishments and not his education. Rather as
> proof of that, he was accepted at Stanford in a PhD program and
> dropped out after two days to get rich instead. One should probably

> ask - wasn't the point of education to be able to earn a decent
> living? And isn't getting rich proof of education?

Musk was intelligent enough not to risk his young life fighting guerilla
wars for a failing state, educated enough to end his attendence of
university administration feedlots, and he persevered enough to get
rich. Well done, does not matter if I like him or his business models.

This is a (NWO-sort "leftist") German rag criticizing Elon Musk (left
half) for something they themselves all permanently did with Trump
(right half):
<https://twitter.com/LibertyMaxim/status/1494404804013182976>

[Tom Kunich]

I cannot place that person but that communist handbook was fairly common and was often distributed by union organizers. Union members very seldom read that and instead simply followed the lead of the union head until they realized where it was heading. I what is now called middle school I would see teachers with that communist handbook. Occasionally they would sneak in Marxist quotes from it. If children reported this to their parents, that was usually the end of that teacher. The communists soon learned that by middle school children were too educated to not recognize communist propaganda. So they then started anew with primary schools. This was very strongly opposed by parents and it wasn't until Bush that they managed to take over the educational system.

Elon Musk showed that you don't need an education to become a billionaire - something that drives Frank crazy. He is continually attempting to those with money all got it via inheritance from their money grubbing forbearers who trampled upon the underlings to gain it. His ideology is based entirely on jealousy of those who worked for their money.

[AMuzi]

Here are the results for his 3d term:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/895670/hungary-election-share/

[AMuzi]

You left out Pakistan and Turkey.

[AMuzi]

I do not recognize the gentleman in that B/W video. He makes
an excellent point and that technique continues, even by Mr
Trudeau this week, hurled at an MP daughter of Shoah survivors.