Stolen Car

[Tom Kunich]

They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.

[AMuzi]

On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.

Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Catrike Ryder]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>
>Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.

How racist!

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>
>Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.

Blythe is in California.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe,_California>
California protects its criminals.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[AMuzi]

Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.

And not only State differences. Merely crossing a county
line can bring wildly different enforcement:

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-man-high-speed-chase-stolen-vehicle-sentenced

The original radio report, after he was held over on a
$1000000 bond, quoted him as saying he had never been held
over for stolen cars before(!). The judge noted, "This is
not Cook County."

Note that not even in DuPage however was he charged for the
illegal loaded 9mm or as a felon in possession.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:58:43 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 3:35 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>>
>>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>>
>> How racist!
>
>Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.

Sorry.... I don't know that comment came from. Maybe I hesitated to
long on a far left news channel when I was surfing TV.

[AMuzi]

On 2/1/2024 3:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>
>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>
> Blythe is in California.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe,_California>
> California protects its criminals.
>

Thanks I misunderstood that.

[Tom Kunich]

Also while the color of the stolen SUV was yellow, the guy said that he needed a ride to Arizona. He had an interview in Phoenix. Just think of that. He simply stole a car to get someplace when the cost of the gas alone would have bought him a plane ticket.

[AMuzi]

Tangentially, policy matters.

If we do not jail carjackers we get more carjackers.
Not prosecuting 'firearm used in an assault' gets you more
armed assaults
And so on.

These guys who attacked NYPD:

https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/metro/police-believe-4-of-the-migrants-arrested-in-nyc-cop-beatdown-fled-to-california/

Are illegals. Some with outstanding criminal complaints.
Under statute they ought to be deported but this
administration doesn't do deportations.

They never spent a night in jail (I have, several times, for
a lot less; I have never struck a police officer, and do not
intend to do so). They are now your problem, Mr Kunich, as
they bugged out to your sanctuary State. Anyone want to bet
on their appearance in court on the police assault charges
in NYC?

Meanwhile, where things go bad enough, policy changed:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/el-salvadoran-president-coolly-brushes-off-ilhan-omars-election-meddling-then-flips-her-critique


Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point
was when Mr Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang
tattoos on his face:

https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill


After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.

(compare with Chicago, which hovers around 30. US overall
from under 5 in 2018, 2019 to about seven now).

Abrogation of due process? Probably. Support of the
citizenry? Absolutely. In any society, most people are not
criminals, they are prey. And they know it.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/1/2024 9:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point was when Mr
> Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang tattoos on his face:
>
> https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg
>
> https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill
>
>
> After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.

Interesting. Do you suppose that strategy would work for the U.S.?

I have no tattoos, so anti-tattoo laws wouldn't affect me.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Roger Merriman]

I guess it was the gang tattoos than tattoos in general.

As ever show me simple solutions to complex problem and it will be wholly
wrong comes to mind.

Roger Merriman

[AMuzi]

We don't summarily imprison people without trial. Which is
good policy, IMHO. Magic spells for policy are in short
supply while the current practices deteriorate from prior
policies.

That said, this guy as so many others was out and about,
"...Adams had 32 contacts with the judicial system over the
years — including 11 assaults and 13 convictions. The judge
called Adams extraordinarily dangerous..." including beating
his own father to a broken hip.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/thug-who-beat-elderly-woman-so-badly-that-she-cant-walk-speak-or-recognize-her-husband-of-more-than-50-years-is-sentenced

a more sterile report:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen

a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will
show this is more typical than unusual.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> a more sterile report:
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>
> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this is
> more typical than unusual.

You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
some instances if one digs deeply enough."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

Maybe I should clarify .
I did not mean, "Your average USAian is
assaulted/robbed/raped/killed every evening."

I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with
priors who are out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a
'disorderly conduct' after a stabbing or shooting, out after
reduced sentence release or have outstanding warrants etc.
Guys who would be incarcerated until present policies swept
the nation.


Here are the first few of today's overnight all stars:

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-man-attack-service-station-attendant-electronic-monitoring.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/robbery-spree-suspect-released-on-electronic-monitoring-chicago.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-man-abducted-woman-in-november-made-her-work-as-a-prostitute-until-cops-rescued-her-this-week-prosecutors.html
(salient point not in headline. See last two paragraphs)

[#4 is about merchants installing rows of bollards to thwart
car-through-glass break ins/robberies]

then #5 today:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/man-shot-by-chicago-police-sentenced-to-four-years.html
(salient point not in headline. See last two paragraphs)

Or pick a different day or a different city.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/2/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> a more sterile report:
>>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>>>
>>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this
>>> is more typical than unusual.
>>
>> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
>> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
>> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
>>
>
> Maybe I should clarify .
> I did not mean, "Your average USAian is assaulted/robbed/raped/killed
> every evening."
>
> I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with priors who are
> out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a 'disorderly conduct' after
> a stabbing or shooting, out after reduced sentence release or have
> outstanding warrants etc. Guys who would be incarcerated until present
> policies swept the nation.

Well, whatever policies are in place were chosen for some reasons. In my
area, there have been times when perps were not jailed because there was
insufficient jail space. Building jails requires money, and money
requires taxes.

I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
Apparently many other countries get better results using different
strategies.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Now get this - the DEALER that allowed the car to be stolen claims that the eldest has top retreive the car herself so that they can service the car!

[Tom Kunich]

The typical Krygowski answer. "It doesn't happen here in Poland so it doesn't happen". The very fact that there are TikTok dares to see how many cars people can steal in one night makes Krygowski's claims look silly.

[Tom Kunich]

I can hardly wait to hear your story when that insufficient jail space ends up with your own assault.

[John B.]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:52:49 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

When you can simply take what you want from people weaker than you there is no limit to the numbers of criminals that will breed.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>>> strategies.
>

> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?

I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.

Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more criminals than
comparable nations? And what could be done to improve that situation?"

For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two sides of
the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two sides are not
different species. But both crime rates and incarceration rates are far,
far better in Canada. Ditto for most European countries.

One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record proportion of its
citizens is _not_ making it into a low crime country. So at what point
should we look at alternative solutions?

"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a
definition of insanity."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Ryder]

One reason is that the USA has had a government policy of paying women
to have babies and paying them more if the kick any adult males out of
their home.

In spite of all the hype about how terrible we heterosexual males are
(especially "white" heterosexual "biological" males), having fathers
in the home is an important part of raising children.

[zen cycle]

wow...talk about straw men.....OF course we should expect that a proudly
and willfully ignorant dumbass from the dumbshine state would parrot
right-wing pabulum from his masters

>
> In spite of all the hype about how terrible we heterosexual males are
> (especially "white" heterosexual "biological" males),

aww....is the poor wittle tricycle rider being victimized again?

> having fathers
> in the home is an important part of raising children.

True, but the false narrative that the US government is paying women to
have babies and paying them more if adult mares are kicked out of the
home is really, really, fucking stupid, but par for the dumbass course.

[John B.]

I don't know about kicking men out of the house but I do know that
when I was stationed at Bangor Maine - about 1960, or so, an unmarried
woman with 3 children had enough free cash to buy her boy friend all
the beer he cold drink.

But Frank gets it wrong. The purpose of imprisonment is to penalize
the criminal. Not to increase or decrease prison inhabitants.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate

Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
U.S. - 5.244



--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

Mugging and robbery victims see the problem differently. As
do survivors of those killed.

[AMuzi]

Daniel Moynihan raised that alarm in the 1960s:
https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/moynihan-report-1965/

but no one listened and it hasn't gotten any better
https://singlemotherguide.com/state/

[AMuzi]

Change of policy can bring great change to outcomes:
https://elsalvadorinfo.net/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 5:50 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> But Frank gets it wrong. The purpose of imprisonment is to penalize
> the criminal.

Again, you seem to not have thought about this very deeply.

Explain why criminals are penalized by imprisonment.

The usual answers are 1) To teach the criminal to obey laws in the
future, and 2) to protect people from those who have not (yet?) learned
to obey laws.

But our system of imprisonment doesn't seem to achieve those goals. See
below.

>
> https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate
>
> Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
> U.S. - 5.244

So the U.S. has a much higher imprisonment rate than Canada. If
imprisoning so many people taught criminals to obey laws and protected
people from crime, the U.S. would have much lower crime rates.

It isn't working. Doing the same thing over and over despite failure is

[Frank Krygowski]

Yes, aid exists. You haven't presented information proving women are
having babies and kicking out fathers for economic gain.

I know or have known several single mothers, a couple who did divorce
abusive husbands. Are you suggesting that a woman should stay in a
marriage and endure frequent beatings so your taxes are lower? Really?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Ryder]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:36:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/21/2024 5:50 AM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> But Frank gets it wrong. The purpose of imprisonment is to penalize
>> the criminal.
>
>Again, you seem to not have thought about this very deeply.
>
>Explain why criminals are penalized by imprisonment.
>
>The usual answers are 1) To teach the criminal to obey laws in the
>future, and 2) to protect people from those who have not (yet?) learned
>to obey laws.

To make potential criminals more fearful of committing a crime.

>But our system of imprisonment doesn't seem to achieve those goals. See
>below.
>
>>
>> https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate
>>
>> Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
>> U.S. - 5.244
>So the U.S. has a much higher imprisonment rate than Canada. If
>imprisoning so many people taught criminals to obey laws and protected
>people from crime, the U.S. would have much lower crime rates.

Assumes "facts" not in evidence.

>It isn't working. Doing the same thing over and over despite failure is
>insanity.

Says the guy who repeated the same antigun nonsense for weeks and
weeks.

[Catrike Ryder]

Another Krygowski strawman...

What is "Straw Man" and Why Do Narcissists Use It?

The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.

Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
"straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
argument.

https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception

[AMuzi]

A bit of humor from this week's news:

https://nypost.com/2024/02/18/us-news/ok-man-steals-truck-towing-corvettes-to-get-ride-home-from-jail/

Or as your friend quipped, "They aren't geniuses, Frank."

This morning, the reconstruction of the KC parade mayhem
shows a bunch of armed idiots who began with "F you!" and F
you too!" and quickly descended into multidirectional
negligent discharges. Who thinks like that?

https://www.myarklamiss.com/news/morning-show/fox-14-your-morning-news-kansas-city-chiefs-super-bowl-parade-shooting-update/

[2 minutes]

Regarding public policy, the current laxity has real costs too:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/cta-chicago-sentenced-two-shootings-on-felony-bail.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-cta-granville-robbery-charges-six-other-recent-arrests.html

And we have repeated dramatic examples of varying (effective
vs ineffective) policy:

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-dupage-county-catalytic-converter-theft-charges-hit-different.html

Even to details beyond general policy, Cook County and
Chicago have a 'no police pursuit' policy. Here's what the
DuPage State's Attorney says about that:

“Make no mistake, we will use every tool at our disposal,
including helicopters, drones and the assistance of
neighboring jurisdictions to arrest and charge anyone who
attempts to flee from police. Do not attempt to flee, you
will be unsuccessful.”

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 10:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/21/2024 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> Again, you seem to not have thought about this very deeply.
>>
>> Explain why criminals are penalized by imprisonment.
>>
>> The usual answers are 1) To teach the criminal to obey laws in the
>> future, and 2) to protect people from those who have not (yet?)
>> learned to obey laws.
>>
>> But our system of imprisonment doesn't seem to achieve those goals.
>> See below.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate
>>>
>>> Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
>>> U.S. - 5.244
>> So the U.S. has a much higher imprisonment rate than Canada. If
>> imprisoning so many people taught criminals to obey laws and protected
>> people from crime, the U.S. would have much lower crime rates.
>>
>> It isn't working. Doing the same thing over and over despite failure
>> is insanity.
>>
>

> This morning, the reconstruction of the KC parade mayhem shows a bunch
> of armed idiots who began with "F you!" and F you too!" and quickly
> descended into multidirectional negligent discharges.  Who thinks like
> that?
>
> https://www.myarklamiss.com/news/morning-show/fox-14-your-morning-news-kansas-city-chiefs-super-bowl-parade-shooting-update/

Yes. Wow, who would have imagined that letting every yahoo in America
carry a gun everywhere might lead to so many mass shootings, right?

And did you note the firing rate heard from about 0:13 to 0:15 in that
video? "Let's make sure the idiots can empty a magazine in two seconds!"

> Regarding public policy, the current laxity has real costs too:
> https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/cta-chicago-sentenced-two-shootings-on-felony-bail.html

As discussed over and over, there are well established legal and
financial reasons for our bail system - like "No new taxes!!!" for example.

You've presented nothing but individual anecdotes about shootings by
those out on bail. I suspect those particular perps are a very small
percentage of the problem.

But as always, you're welcome to present systemic solutions. Perhaps "As
soon as anyone is arrested, imprison him or her until trial. We'll raise
taxes to build the jail capacity. We'll do away with 'Innocent until
proven guilty' and remove judges' discretion."

And perhaps "All convicted felons will receive life sentences. We'll
imprison an even higher proportion of our population."

Never mind the fact that no similar strategy seems to be working. We
imprison more than anybody, and still suffer much higher crime rates
than similar countries.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Ryder]

Ten year minimum sentence for anyone who commits a crime, any crime,
while in posession of a gun. Add five years if the perp cannot legally
own a gun.

Pay for it by eliminating all the foriegn aid to countries who are not
allies.

[AMuzi]

Many (most?) States already have mandatory minimums for
felony while armed.

In many places, Cook County for example, a felon in
possession of a stolen firearm used in an armed robbery can
count on being charged with disorderly conduct and a
disappearance ticket.

[Catrike Ryder]

He'll probably get to keep the gun.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:18:35 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> We
>imprison more than anybody, and still suffer much higher crime rates
>than similar countries.
>
>--
>- Frank Krygowski

Because we have more criminals.

[AMuzi]

Opinions vary and you're welcome to yours.

This just in from the Maricopa County prosecutor:

https://710wor.iheart.com/content/2024-02-21-arizona-prosecutor-refuses-to-extradite-suspect-in-nyc-hotel-slaying/

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 3:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Opinions vary and you're welcome to yours.
>
> This just in from the Maricopa County prosecutor:
>
> https://710wor.iheart.com/content/2024-02-21-arizona-prosecutor-refuses-to-extradite-suspect-in-nyc-hotel-slaying/

The most consistent reason for our disagreements:

I'm a data guy. You're an anecdote guy.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Ryder]

"I worked with the guy. He used his solid model
animations of the gun mechanism to explain it to me while he was
designing it. The patent didn't involve that mechanism; it involved
other components and their innovative manufacturing. But the gun is
almost entirely his design."

FRank Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/tk2Zbzx1BgAJ

[John B.]

Like ,many "not very intelligent" people Frank keeps repeating the
same thing over and over - "it don't work". So tell us Frank what is
your solution?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

An interesting comparison of crime in Canada and the U,S
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

It is rather simple to explain the incarceration rates between the
U.S. and Canada.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

The flood of daily examples are colorful and instructive. I
assumed everyone would be familiar with the trends:

https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Chicago-carjackings-by-year/fbqm-xvt4

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/carjackings-in-oakland/3281776/
[skip to 1:00 for data trend chart]

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/pandemic-brings-sharp-rise-king-county-carjackings/PD4PZMG37FHNPDK3VHWLTINZFQ/

http://heyjackass.com/

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 7:16 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:48:14 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:36:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Explain why criminals are penalized by imprisonment.
>>>
>>> The usual answers are 1) To teach the criminal to obey laws in the
>>> future, and 2) to protect people from those who have not (yet?) learned
>>> to obey laws.
>>

>>> But our system of imprisonment doesn't seem to achieve those goals. See
>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate
>>>>
>>>> Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
>>>> U.S. - 5.244
>>> So the U.S. has a much higher imprisonment rate than Canada. If
>>> imprisoning so many people taught criminals to obey laws and protected
>>> people from crime, the U.S. would have much lower crime rates.
>>

>>> It isn't working. Doing the same thing over and over despite failure is
>>> insanity.
>>

> Like ,many "not very intelligent" people Frank keeps repeating the

> same thing over and over ...

:-) That's funny coming from you, John!

> "it don't work". So tell us Frank what is
> your solution?

You won't like it, because it's not simplistic, and it's longer than a
sound bite. But I'd begin by examining countries with similar economic
prosperity and evaluating what they do differently than the U.S.

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- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

That page is evidence that the U.S. system of crime prevention is a
failure compared to Canada. That should be obvious.

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- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 3:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
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> This just in from the Maricopa County prosecutor:
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> https://710wor.iheart.com/content/2024-02-21-arizona-prosecutor-refuses-to-extradite-suspect-in-nyc-hotel-slaying/

From
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/nyregion/soho-hotel-murder-bragg-arizona.html

“It is deeply disturbing that D.A. Mitchell is playing political games
in a murder investigation,” Ms. Tuttle said in a statement. She also
noted that killings and shootings had dropped since Mr. Bragg took office.

“New York’s murder rate is less than half that of Phoenix, Ariz.,
because of the hard work of the N.Y.P.D. and all of our law enforcement
partners,” Ms. Tuttle said. “It is a slap in the face to them and to the
victim in our case to refuse to allow us to seek justice and full
accountability for a New Yorker’s death.”


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- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

That post by Frank, sometime ago, probably does more to expose Franks
lack of mechanical knowledge then anything he has ever posted.

You see, a recoil operated hand gun has a minimum of moving parts and
certainly doesn't require a animated model to understand, if for no
other reason that it is, itself, an animated model.


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Cheers,

John B.