Mandatory Vaccinations

[Tom Kunich]

Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019

Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

[Lou Holtman]

Tom, please start doing again what you did last week and the week before that.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Do you mean it upsets you to actually find out what is coming for you?

[Tom Kunich]

You know Lou, I should add, that these vaccines don't simply kill you now. They may take a year or more to do their dirty work. They cause hardening of the arteries and clogging of the small blood vessels and can cause cerebral blood vessel disease. Run and hide because you were under the false impression that influenza is dangerous but that the vaccines would save you. The Environmentalists have been crying for decades that what is wrong with this world is people. That the population was too large. So they have worked hard to solve that problem and Fauci's vaccines are just the thing that they needed.

[John B.]

It is quite obvious that in using VAERS as reference Tommy simply
doesn't know what he is talking about as the VAERS site states

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any
reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.
Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse
events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS
collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it
coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse
event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."
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Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.

Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.
Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine. Two above are two shot vaccines.

Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 6:15:33 PM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
> The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.
>
> Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
>
> https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
> Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.

My mistake. This line should read "Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid VACCINES used in the USA."

[Mike A Schwab]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

To Aug 5 2021 615,000 deaths from 35,400,000 infections in U.S. (1.9% chance of death if diagnosed)
To Aug 5 2021 6,000 (3,500 until April) from 348,000,000 vaccine doses in U.S. (0.001% chance of death if vaccinated)
10X more vaccine doses than infections.
Deaths 100X more from infections than vaccine doses.
Conclusion: Your odds of death are 1000X higher from infection than death.
Estimated error: double to half.
Known errors: Ratio of Actual to Detected infections and deaths are estimated at 1.3 to 1.5.
Doubled reported deaths to estimate for 3 months of missing data.

[Tom Kunich]

So it is your position that covid only killed 3544 people rather than the 600,000 claimed by Fauci. Interesting.

[Tom Kunich]

Mike, I guess you missed my previous proofs about this. The 5 year average deaths per year is 2.8 Million. I could go into the slightest details on this but suffice it to say that they mostly die of old age having circulatory diseases (covid is a respiratory disease) which progress to the point at which they become bedridden develop pneumonia and die from that.) The symptoms of pneumonia are nearly identical to the supposed symptoms of covid.

And increase in deaths over 600,000 would mean a 21% increase in deaths. This would be PURE PROFIT for the mortuary business. So what did their profits look like?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/

You have been lied to big time and I realize how hard this is to handle with the entire medical establishment playing along with them. Why is that? Because the NIH was paying medical facilities $50,000 per head to report covid-19 deaths. So that is what they did. After almost being driven into bankruptcy by Obama-care they took over $30 Billion in easy money.

Here is a CDC chart that shows you what happened. The Red Line at the end represents the rapid growth in covid-19. But notice that normal total deaths did not change at all. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Gosh almighty Tom. Do you instantly forget everything you immediately write? And don't even reread what you wrote?

If you go up a few lines in this thread or in this one post you will find the following:

> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

This is from the very first post in this thread by YOU. YOU are the one who wrote, stated, that there were 3544 reported deaths following COVID vaccinations. I guess I am assuming you meant out of the 95-100 million people who had received a Covid vaccination, that there were still 3544 of them who died. So 100 million people got vaccinated for Covid and out of that 100 million, 3544 got Covid and died. That does not include or count the other 240 million people in the USA who did not get vaccinated. Some of those people also got Covid and died. At a much higher rate than the 3544 of 100 million. Most folks know there have been 615k people dead from Covid in the past 16 months in the USA. Over 35 million infected. And today, most of the people being infected, hospitalized, dying from Covid are the unvaccinated. There are lots of news stories on this irony every day. The ones who don't believe Covid exists and deny it, are the ones being killed. Humorous in a sick way kinda. But at the same time, there are a very small number of people who are vaccinated and still getting Covid and dying. Just very few. Which proves the vaccines have a high efficacy rate and are good and everyone should get a vaccine for Covid. This is called a "breakthrough" case.

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-5c8ce28d2b1ad278b83205ad254973b3

[John B.]

A "registered CDC researcher"???

Tell us Tommy, how does one become a "Registered CDC Researcher"?

I ask as a casual review of CDC requirements seems to show that
"Approval process:
The approval process for research requests for access to confidential
data is specific to each state cancer registry. The approval process
may require cancer registry, institutional review board (IRB) and/or
regulatory group approvals."

California is listed as requiring 4 different approvals.
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Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/5/2021 10:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I am a registered CDC researcher ...

HAH!

Can this "registered CDC researcher" please explain how the evil Dr.
Fauci caused countries all around the world to simultaneously falsify
records regarding infections, hospitalizations and deaths?

Can this "researcher" explain why Tokyo is taking a huge financial hit
by tremendously restricting attendance at the Olympics?

Why are so many countries restricting tourist activities, their economic
lifeblood? Why are jurisdictions once again considering restrictions on
mass socializing, knowing the economic hit this entails?

Why are they going to such great expense to vaccinate their populations?

Is this expensive worldwide conspiracy in any way related to the other
one - the one that says the earth is not actually flat?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Bob F]

On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019

And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths from flu each year.

>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>
> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
>

Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those deaths. Out of
155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die soon.

Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid, and
vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the red states
occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed your 3544 supposed
"vaccine deaths". Virtually every death from covid is now an
un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is clearly saving huge numbers of lives.

And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the shots are
preventing.

If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done with this
epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect their freedom to
spread disease.

[Bob F]

WOW! what a pile of crap!

[Bob F]

On 8/5/2021 7:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.
>

Registering in QANON doesn't count for much.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Well.......to give Tom a little credit. Ha Ha. I am positive in a prior posting on this forum, he said he did get vaccinated. I'll have to rely on someone else finding the posting where he says he received the vaccination shots. So like many of the Republican elites, Ha Ha, he himself did get vaccinated while at the same time saying the vaccination is not needed and discouraging everyone else from getting vaccinated. Seems odd to me to do something and then speak out against it. What is that called, Hypocrisy?

But yes, as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Joe Biden said, it has become the virus of the unvaccinated.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-health-government-and-politics-pandemics-coronavirus-pandemic-8318e3f406278f3ebf09871128cc91de
“Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated,” Biden said Friday, echoing comments made earlier in the day by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[John B.]

Come on Frank! Don't you realize that it is a great international
conspiracy which was and is carried out by the Green Men from Mars?
And, it is not a secret either as it was exposed by Edgar Rice
Burroughs over a hundred years ago.
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Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>> 2019
>
> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
> from flu each year.
>
>>
>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>
>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

>>
>> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618
>> reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902
>> adverse event reports had been filed
>> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of
>> April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after
>> vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines,
>> including 7,766 deaths.
>>
>
> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those
> deaths. Out of 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die
> soon.
>
> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid,
> and vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the
> red states occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed
> your 3544 supposed "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death
> from covid is now an un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is
> clearly saving huge numbers of lives.
>
> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the
> shots are preventing.
>
> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done
> with this epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect
> their freedom to spread disease.
>

Typical racist attitude.

33% of NYC residents who are black are vaccinated. In Bronx
it's just 30%. Under the current NYC regime, the
unvaccinated can't work, shop, eat out or much else. How
does that help[1]?

back to you for further comment.

[1] various courts and agencies have held that disparate
results, regardless of intent, are sufficient to overturn
laws, regulations or official policies which have de facto
racist outcomes. I'll wait to see how this plays out.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[John B.]

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>> 2019
>>
>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>> from flu each year.
>>
>>>
>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>
>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

So, what is the solution? Do not require inoculation and just let the
disease run it's course?
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Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>>> 2019
>>>
>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>> from flu each year.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>
>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

The urge to appear as if "doing something" can lead to a lot
of suffering without benefit. See also Australia.

[Tom Kunich]

I see like ALL Democrats you don't mind being played like a fiddle as long as it is towards the end of you losing your Constitutional rights. But i'm sure that you can believe anything you like.

[Tom Kunich]

[Tom Kunich]

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 10:10:46 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:

Bob, we BELIEVE that lives are saved from flu vaccines. This is based almost entirely on the 1918 flu that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people world wide.

Don't be misled by people like Frank who believes that I am saying that this is a world wide hoax of some sort. In Italy the huge number of deaths were almost entirely contained in retirement homes as it was in New York. And Northeast Italy where most of the deaths were has the oldest population in Italy So of course covid-19 is real. The question is 'how real'. And the answer to that is 'it is an influenza'. Are you willing to give up your Constitutional rights to a tyrannical government for fear that you might catch the flu? We had 50 years after the Swine Flu epidemic of 1918 without vaccinations and we never again had any other large numbers of deaths.

So why do you believe that vaccinations have saved millions of lives?

[Tom Kunich]

That is correct but I have an easier time negotiating the complexities of the CDC network. After the CDC claims that over 600,000 people died in 2020 and I showed you that the mortuary business lost money you do not want to believe that the covid-19 myth is just that? Something dangerous to people nearing the end of their lives an little others. I have shown with the CDC's own statistical analysis page that only some 2,000 people died from covid but you want to believe this a dangerous disease? You might be willing to throw away your own liberties but I am not. And if you try to take my liberties away it won't turn out to be good for you.

[Tom Kunich]

Every year I would get a flu shot and every year almost without fail, I would get the flu. Yet Bob strongly believes that my life was saved by a vaccine. Curious not?

[Frank Krygowski]

As in, say, the Salk vaccine?

> See also Australia.

I can't see Australia from here. What's going on there?


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- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

Anyone wanting to know about the mortuary business can look at SCI's Q2 earnings report. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/AcO-ix0xuaY Revenues are up. Moreover, as we have previously discussed at length, mortuary revenues lagged in certain areas due to COVID-related restrictions, e.g. revenues from chapel and graveside services. That's old news. And yes, body counts were up. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/covid-funeral-home-surge-california Again, old news. I worked in a funeral home and never once recall my boss getting a 40-foot refrigerated trailer for excess cases. I don't know why you're so invested in believing COVID is a hoax. It's so flat-earth. https://www.wsj.com/articles/indias-covid-19-death-toll-is-likely-in-the-millions-study-finds-11626792531 As a MENSA god, you should be more interested in scholarly discussion of appropriate public health measures in light of the known risks. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210714/e2809cHerd-immunitye2809d-not-responsible-for-Swedene28099s-control-of-COVID-19-say-researchers.aspx There are many teachable moment and lessons to be learned, but not from the My Pillow guy or the conspiracy websites.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Lou Holtman]

The policy in Australia is when infections go up they shut down everything, if the infections are very low they open up again almost without limitations until they are up again and they start all over again. There is a lot support for that so the vaccination is low compared to US and Europe. To me that is not a sustainable policy. Forced to work from home every now and then? Brrrr....I'm done syping, zooming or Teamsing.

Lou

[AMuzi]

Taking nothing from Jonas Salk, who was first, his injection
of attenuated virus vaccine resulted in a quarter million
USAians contracting polio[1] with a few hundred permanently
paralyzed. Public apprehension was as dire then as now.

It was the later Sabin (oral) vaccine which proved more
popular to the public.

in re Australia:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-daily-covid-19-2021-record-high-with-millions-lockdown-2021-08-07/

Ditto The Middle Kingdom where several cities including
Wuhan are on their nth iteration of lockdown[2] with no end
in sight.

You may wonder about reckless we-don't-stifle liberty Sweden:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9855651/Mask-free-Sweden-close-ZERO-daily-Covid-deaths.html

Not quite as one might suppose is it?
Note classic Farr virus curves here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

compare:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

[1]not Salk's design error but rather an
engineering/manufacturing error.

[2] CCP (motto: 'brutality with chinese characteristics')
doesn't do suggestions or advisories. They're big on actual
enforcement.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/steve-deace/swedens-low-covid-19-death-tally-july-ignores-othe/

Seems there are two sides, ways to look at Sweden.
"Overall, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate of 142.5 per 100,000 population is well above neighbors Denmark (43.89), Finland (17.84), Norway (15.03) and Iceland (8.3), according to Johns Hopkins University."

[jbeattie]

Sweden is a very mixed bag, but certainly worth a study beyond a Daily Mail squib (and there are already a number in the journals) -- as are all of the various responses to the pandemic. A fair study filtering out the political extremes would be helpful. I'm tired of restrictions -- which are gone in Oregon -- and tired of people whining about having to wear a mask in Costco. "Give me liberty or give me my 50 pack of HoHos"! BTW, speaking of vaccines, the new shingles vaccine knocked me out for a day -- as bad or worse than the second COVID vaccine.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

On 8/7/2021 12:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/7/2021 10:19 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2021 9:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>>>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>>>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203
>>>>>>>> deaths in
>>>>>>>> 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>>>>>> from flu each year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>>>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>>>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>>>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>>>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>>>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013  a period of 15.5 years

We agree, mixed bag.
(I linked the numbers over time as well).

The data don't prove or disprove that punishment reduces
mortality. Name your country, situations and outcomes do
vary, but correlation has been elusive at best. Meanwhile
actual human suffering continues with projected benefits
some time maybe in the future.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/7/2021 1:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> BTW, speaking of vaccines, the new shingles vaccine knocked me out for a day -- as bad or worse than the second COVID vaccine.
>

Funny thing. Back in June I slept unusually heavy one night, then felt
so draggy the next day I took a 2.5 hour nap. I _never_ nap. I was
terribly fatigued, then began a fever over 100F. My doctor's office said
go get a COVID test.

As I was waiting for the test, I remembered that I got my 2nd Shingrix
shot the day before. Negative COVID, of course.
--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/7/2021 1:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> The data don't prove or disprove that punishment reduces mortality. Name
> your country, situations and outcomes do vary, but correlation has been
> elusive at best.  Meanwhile actual human suffering continues with
> projected benefits some time maybe in the future.

There's almost always uncertainty in data. But I disagree with calling
protective measures "punishment," and I disagree with characterizing
wearing masks or skipping parties as "suffering."

Here's an example of suffering:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/they-thought-covid-was-hoax-until-they-fell-ill-n1236183


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Sounds like their strategy would trigger lots of oscillation.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

If you compare Sweden with its Nordic neighbors, Sweden is a clear loser in terms of mortality. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/ Denmark, Finland and Norway have about 55% the population, and I'm sure the rates are reported somewhere, and I'm too lazy to calculate.

Also, more information is necessary about avoided deaths from lock-down consequences -- and then we get into comparison of economic consequences, etc., etc. Aspects of lockdown (e.g. social distancing) do reduce infection rate and spread and the notion that nothing works is wrong.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

Yes, there's that, no doubt true.

I thought (and felt) more deeply about bankruptcy,
unemployment and ruination from the destruction of commerce
and work. We'll find out later about the effects of
isolation on children, another time bomb. Economists have
noted that the net effect of capricious bans has been an
immense transfer of wealth from small businesses to large.

[AMuzi]

On 8/7/2021 1:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/7/2021 11:57 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 5:19:37 PM UTC+2, Frank
>> Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2021 9:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>>>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>>>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203
>>>>>>>> deaths in
>>>>>>>> 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>>>>>> from flu each year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>>>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>>>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>>>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>>>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013  a period of

They're oscillating into a new lockdown as we write:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

[AMuzi]

On 8/7/2021 1:52 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 10:22:56 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/7/2021 12:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/2021 10:19 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/7/2021 9:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>>>>>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>>>>>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203
>>>>>>>>>> deaths in
>>>>>>>>>> 2019
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>>>>>>>> from flu each year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>>>>>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>>>>>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>>>>>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>>>>>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>>>>>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013  a period of 15.5 years

What happened to 'two weeks to stop the spread' ? pffft.

[John B.]

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 08:53:01 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>>>> 2019
>>>>
>>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>>> from flu each year.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>>
>>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

Not to argue that but the question remains. You have a disease that is
infecting, according to this morning's news, " 100,000 new COVID-19
infections per day".

Simple logic would have it that y'all can (1) do something about it,
or (2) do nothing about it.

The question then is what are you going to do?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 6:19:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> > On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>> >> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>> >> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>> >> 2019
>> >
>> > And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>> > from flu each year.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>> >> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>> >> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>> >> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>> >>
>> >> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>> >> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>> >> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

Well curious it may be but the various states in the U.S, have been
mandating various inoculations and vaccinations for more then 200
years.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 14:45:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 8/7/2021 11:57 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 5:19:37 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2021 9:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>>>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>>>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>>>>>>> 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>>>>>> from flu each year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>>>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>>>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>>>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>>>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from

>>>>>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

It does. Thailand did the same thing with the results that some areas
that had no virus cases the first time are now have many.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, the early polio vaccine CAUSED polio. Pretending that what Andrew said isn't 100% correct is why this country is in this preposterous position with the states that are wide open with infection rates the same as everywhere else and the death rates almost the same.

[Tom Kunich]

60% of the population have natural immunity and another 20% are so nearly immune that they have asymptomatic infections and YOU use four people as proof that your side it on the side of the elite. I wonder if you ever think.

[Tom Kunich]

What in God's name do any Democrats CARE about what happens to anyone aside from yourself? Do you believe for one second that over 600,000 people died from covid and that Statistica's figures on mortuary profits falling for 5 years straight is a lie? You don't give one shit about what happens to children locked out of schools when the statistics are plain that anyone under 18 has a FAR higher chance of dying from a car accident than covid? You, like all fucked up Democrats don't give a shit about anyone that you don't see in the mirror in the morning.

[Tom Kunich]

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

Like all communists, the only thing on Frank's mind is holding the party line.

[Tom Kunich]

Sweden is free and you are not and you believe that is the way to live. There is something seriously wrong in your head

[John B.]

Well, re isolation of children, I experienced it. Back in the day
polio, then known as " infantile paralysis" was not uncommon in the
summer months - my father's brother was crippled by it - and if a
single case appeared in the town, mothers immediately restricted their
kids to "around here" as in "don't you play with those other kids, you
stay around here". So yes, I spent some summers isolated in my own
home and surroundings. With, as far as I can tell, no adverse effects.

And, in this day and age, do kids "go out to play" I read that
" in 2010 the Kaiser Family Foundation surveyed 2,000 children ages
8-18 in 2010 and found children’s screen time totals an average of 7
hours and 38 minutes per day"

which might lead one to think that No, they don't go out to play.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Joy Beeson]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 05:25:24 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Simple logic would have it that y'all can (1) do something about it,
> or (2) do nothing about it.
>
> The question then is what are you going to do?

Stir it up and spread it around as much as possible, primarily by
constantly changing the rules. Also, lie blatently often enough that
people start suspecting that the sky isn't blue and water doesn't run
downhill.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[Bob F]

LOL! WOW!

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:37:38 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 11:05:24 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > > You may wonder about reckless we-don't-stifle liberty Sweden:
> > >
> > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9855651/Mask-free-Sweden-close-ZERO-daily-Covid-deaths.html
> > >
> > https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/steve-deace/swedens-low-covid-19-death-tally-july-ignores-othe/
> >
> > Seems there are two sides, ways to look at Sweden.
> > "Overall, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate of 142.5 per 100,000 population is well above neighbors Denmark (43.89), Finland (17.84), Norway (15.03) and Iceland (8.3), according to Johns Hopkins University."

> Sweden is free and you are not and you believe that is the way to live. There is something seriously wrong in your head

Tom, I want to live so I stay alive. Yes Sweden is free. And so am I. And most likely everyone else participating in this forum. Most of us lived through some restrictions over the past year and a half. But we are all still alive. And I didn't find any of the restrictions all that cumbersome. I had to wear a mask!!!!!!!!!!! Terrible. I had to stand about 6 feet away from people when waiting in lines at stores!!!!!!!!! Terrible. Some Church services and other meetings were canceled. I doubt that killed anyone. Many people lost their jobs. That was bad. But worst of all were the 600,000 plus who died in the USA. From the Covid virus killing them. That was terrible. Millions have died around the world.

The article I linked to showed Sweden had a much higher rate of death due to Covid than its neighbor countries. So maybe Sweden made the wrong choice if your goal is to stay alive. Because no matter what anyone says, no freedom or rights or privileges are worth dying for because you are dead and can't use those rights and freedoms and privileges. Dead is dead. You're not alive if you are dead. Kind of like suicide or Russian roulette. No good reason for it. Keep in mind I am not saying there are not things worth dying for. Such as helping others. There is a reason for it to help others. Or yourself. But dying from Covid does not make sense if you can avoid dying. How is dying from Covid helping anything?

[Tom Kunich]

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:

When did you go to Swede? What do you know about Sweden and the health and age profile of the inhabitants? I'd like to know why you are talking about things you are entirely unqualified to talk about? And the only fucking reason you're doing this is to hold your fucking party line.

[Tom Kunich]

Free? You glory in your own slavery, using influenza to enslave all around you so that you don't feel the chains on your own Civil Rights. You are absolutely ridiculous and are completely willing to follow a politician or a failed doctor Fauci who served his medical school and then two years of hospital time and then never saw one other disease case because he might get sick. You in your mental illness are perfectly happy saying that anyone that contradicts Fauci is wrong. No amount of evidence would be enough for you to throw off your chains. Even after Republicans own the entire Congress and the White House you will be wearing a mask and crying how much in danger you are. I suggest that someone like you build a bomb shelter where you can spend the rest of your life locked in with food deliveries and convince yourself that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom as you are now spitting out,.

[Frank Krygowski]

Wow. Bad morning, eh?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 11:44:47 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

When the CDC themselves say that wearing masks, social distancing and frequent hand washing has no effect explain why you believe whole-heartedly that it does? The breathing pores in an N95 mask are 200 times the size of the virus and it is airborne so there is absolutely no reason to block coughing. Tell everyone here from your vast storehouse of knowledge where a molecule stores any moisture? And how long it takes to evaporate perhaps ONE molecule of water. In this world there are two sorts of people - the leaders and the followers. You have more than shown yourself to be a part of the last component. Like Russell you are crawling on your belly and thinking you are standing upright.

[Tom Kunich]

So, I just have a hard time with morons that know not one word about what they speak. That was the number of deaths. Without knowing the population and the age profiles it means absolutely nothing. Almost all of the Italian deaths were in nursing homes in a region with the highest rates of old age. So WHAT WAS SWEDEN? And since the populations of Norway and Finland are near identical why was there such a large difference in the number of deaths? Being totally ignorant of the world around you seems to be the most paramount thing in your mind. I find you disgusting.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/greta-thunberg-un-climate-report-code-red-for-humanity-185414193.html
"The Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg said she wasn’t surprised by a blistering report released Monday by the United Nations, which concluded that the Earth is warming at a rate faster than previously thought and that the window to avoid a climate catastrophe is rapidly closing."

Tommy boy, did you know that Greta Thunberg, the paragon of virtue, is from Sweden? I knew there was something good about Sweden. Besides simply the blue eyed blonde maidens aspect. Despite killing their citizens with no Covid restrictions, they are doing something right up there in the Arctic circle.

[Tom Kunich]

No one in the entire world is surprised that you gain all of your information from a 17 year old girl. What would surprise me is if your didn't get a sex change operation so that you could be more like her.

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 6:52:54 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> No one in the entire world is surprised that you gain all of your information from a 17 year old girl. What would surprise me is if your didn't get a sex change operation so that you could be more like her.

Here is something from a competent immunologist vs. that moron Fauci:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDWWYWx296w

[John B.]

And HERE's Tommy! The bloke who's wife, by his own admission, doesn't
listen to him, now LIVE on the Internet in the forlorn hope of finding
someone (anyone) who will listen to him.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Here is something from a competent immunologist vs. that moron Fauci:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDWWYWx296w

Video unavailable
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account
associated with this video has been terminated.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

This is because an experienced IN THE ACTUAL BUSINESS practicing immunologist disagreed with Fauci. You know - the same guy that is invested in the pharmaceutical companies that he demanded out government buy vaccines from?

[jbeattie]

What is the "actual business of practicing immunology" -- like the guy who treats my seasonal allergies? You're nuts if you think some average Joe doctor has access to the same information as the NIAID director. Fauci has low-level staffers with more experience and information than your YouTube guy. Fauci can pick up the phone and get real-time reports on studies being run world-wide. You may not like what he has to say, but only the delusional can claim he is not informed or qualified.

And speaking of delusional, you're recycling the same fact-free argument that Fauci is making a mint off COVID stocks. How about fact-based stories: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/11/rand-paul-gilead-stock/

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B.]

Gee, do you mean that, as Tommy asserted, Dr. Fauci wasn't running up
and down the aisles in the CDC laughing and shouting and showing off
his "certified" tax report to the poorly paid underlings. And note the
vaunted 9 million was in "other income" over and above the good
Doctor's normal $400,000 odd salary.

As for the poorly paid underlings:
https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/atlanta/lead-research-microbiologist/250/12454829328
SALARY RANGE: $114717.0 to $149129.0/Per Year
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Stop your moronic bullshit when you know absolutely NOTHING about that ass Fauci. https://oye.news/news/health/inventor-of-pcr-test-kary-mullis-fauci-is-a-fraud-and-a-liar/ I worked for Kary Mullis and have total faith in his honesty. WHAT do you know about that motherfucker Fauci?

[jbeattie]

Medication time, Tom. Fauci's bio is publicly available, unlike your internet hero, family physician Daniel Stock. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-indiana-doctor-piles-on-bogus-covid-19-claims-in-viral-video/ He's a virtual nobody who went viral with his debunked claims. I don't know why you buy into all the lunatic conspiracy theories, none of which have been proven -- ever, well except for Obama and the reptilians.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

You can't pull your lawyer bullshit here Jay, Fauci actually has NO expertise in anything medical. He went through medical school, did his two years in a hospital and has been behind a desk ever since. Reading papers written by people that actually did things does not make him an expert at anything.

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Jay and anyone else that is interested - My wife had the vaccines about a month ago and she had a heart attack last week. Exactly the same thing happened to a man who is about my age that I used to ride with.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Why would they be calling these cases RARE if I know two people out of a social group of mere dozens of people that have had these "RARE" side effects?

https://newsrescue.com/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-spike-protein-in-cv-jabs-dangerous-toxin/

Finding spike proteins in the blood stream is definitely NOT a good thing. What is worse is that they are discovering spike proteins from covid-19 growing out of the cell walls of blood vessels a LONG way from the injection sites. Your body's immune system in such cases identifies the cell walls as both an invading virus and an invading bacteria. What is worse, this sort of thing PARALYZES the mechanisms that prevent cancer. To what extend this is now happening isn't yet known but some of the biggest medical research universities are now dumping very large research projects into researching what may be the largest medical catastrophe in modern medicine.

Are you still loving Jackass Fauci with such vigor now?

[jbeattie]

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 4:46:40 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Jay and anyone else that is interested - My wife had the vaccines about a month ago and she had a heart attack last week. Exactly the same thing happened to a man who is about my age that I used to ride with.
>
> https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

FYI, myocarditis/pericarditis is not a heart attack. And it has been found in a different demographic, i.e. young people. BTW, you can get pericarditis from a dental cleaning. My mother had pericarditis when I was a kid -- long before COVID vaccines. Do you think someone traveled back from the future and gave her a vaccine? How do you explain her pericarditis? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. A vast past-future conspiracy! https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/y9oAAOSwqoxcQLZx/s-l1600.jpg

In your age group, people are dropping dead of heart-attacks with or without the vaccine. You can tied heart attacks to drinking water or owning a dog.

>
> Why would they be calling these cases RARE if I know two people out of a social group of mere dozens of people that have had these "RARE" side effects?

See above.

>
> https://newsrescue.com/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-spike-protein-in-cv-jabs-dangerous-toxin/
>
> Finding spike proteins in the blood stream is definitely NOT a good thing. What is worse is that they are discovering spike proteins from covid-19 growing out of the cell walls of blood vessels a LONG way from the injection sites. Your body's immune system in such cases identifies the cell walls as both an invading virus and an invading bacteria. What is worse, this sort of thing PARALYZES the mechanisms that prevent cancer. To what extend this is now happening isn't yet known but some of the biggest medical research universities are now dumping very large research projects into researching what may be the largest medical catastrophe in modern medicine.
>
> Are you still loving Jackass Fauci with such vigor now?

You're such a rube. https://www.wreg.com/news/coronavirus/false-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-vaccines-spike-proteins-are-cytotoxic-debunked-by-experts/

I've got this bridge that is an excellent investment. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Brooklyn_Bridge_Manhattan.jpg I can let you have it for just $2K. Send me a certified check, and its yours. No wait, I'll send you a check for $5M, and then you put that in your account and send me back $4.8M.

-- Nigerian Prince.

[Tom Kunich]

No one has dropped dead, but they have had unusual symptoms in a very small select group AFTER being vaccinated. Can I expect people dying in my age group? Certainly, but it is more than suspicious that this occurred about a month after being vaccinated and that is what the symptoms real virologists are warning about. Here is a rather long video but it is by a professor of virology. In some of the animal tests 100% of the animal subjects died. https://rumble.com/vhfbov-professor-dolores-cahill-says-that-mrna-vaccines-enhances-the-illness-and-t.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=2