The Truth About RAS Prime

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Unfortunately the site is not what it appears to be, over two years ago John DeRosa started the site and it was a complete failure. John had stated recently that the site was created because of all the current spam on RAS. I find that his lack of candor exemplifies something to the contrary.
RAS Prime was started because John did not like the content of RAS, simply stated his dislike of the content drove him to start RAS Prime and be the moderator in charge of content, this is all about content and nothing else.
I did receive a call from John and he advised me that he had receive two complaints about my Santa posts on RAS Prime, I could hardly believe what he was saying. I asked John who had complained and he simply stated that he could not tell me those whom had complained. I told John that he was way off base and that my posting of Santa Doesn't Fly A Motorglider was nothing more than a comical post that had received a few comical replies, yet he continued to state that he as a moderator had to control such content, I could not help but to laugh, and tell MR. Grinch to have a good night.
I would advise any person that post on RAS Prime that the main objective is to control content. There will be a much better forum coming in the near future that will NOT be moderated in such a way that interprets content.
The best of RAS will soon be a thing of past, the best is yet to come. Old Bob, The Purist

[Tim Newport-Peace]

Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter out
the Spam, but OBTP as well.

[Dan Marotta]

I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.

Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I can
take it without running to a safe space.

Dan 5J

[Tom BravoMike]

You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much
as I am :-)

Happy New Year to All - with many great, long, safe flights!

Tom BravoMike

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Tim is having withdrawals from the good side of RAS, it is pretty evident that the Grinch brothers hate Santa and certainly go out of their way to complain or maybe they did not complain and it was all fabricated by John DeGrinch. Speaking of John the last time I saw John he was in Moriarty trying to land his glider on a 6k foot runway, overshoot and went skidding off the runway and if not mistaken clipped one of the runway lights, so much for his expertise!
I did tell one of the motorglider guys a while back that I smelled a rat with the announcement of RAS Prime and they guy responded to me with the prediction that Old Grinch will have a target on your back, and it was all about Santa not flying a motorglider. I could of understood his dislike if I had said something like motorglider guys troll for fat chicks. I did place a LGBTQ sticker on a motorglider and the owner kind of laughed about it and I consider us friends. So, what is the big deal about motorglider guys complaining about Old Bob The Purist, why such thin skin, they cannot even handle Santa being a PURIST! Old Bob, The Purist

[Bill Tisdale]

How to find RAS Prime? Or should I not bother.
With the banner at the top of the RAS page about changes in Feb 2024, It will not show me all of the last post and the bottom of the window.
Bill

[Tim Newport-Peace]

Not quite, at 20:39 GMT OBTP posted:

Tim is having withdrawals from the good side of RAS, it is pretty
evident that the Grinch brothers hate Santa and certainly go out of
their way to complain or maybe they did not complain and it was all
fabricated by John DeGrinch. Speaking of John the last time I saw John
he was in Moriarty trying to land his glider on a 6k foot runway,

overshoot and went skidding off the =

runway and if not mistaken clipped one of the runway lights, so much for
his expertise!
I did tell one of the motorglider guys a while back that I smelled a rat
with the announcement of RAS Prime and they guy responded to me with the
prediction that Old Grinch will have a target on your back, and it was
all about Santa not flying a motorglider. I could of understood his
dislike if I had said something like motorglider guys troll for fat
chicks. I did place a LGBTQ sticker on a motorglider and the owner kind
of laughed about it and I consider us friends. So, what is the big deal
about motorglider guys complaining about Old Bob The Purist, why such
thin skin, they cannot even handle Santa being a PURIST! Old Bob, The Purist

This did not appear when using eternal-september.ord as a server, but
did appear elsewhere.

Isn't technology wonderful?

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Bill it is not hard to find RAS Prime, just follow the smell, something new is coming soon and will be a much better and nicer site. If you do goo to RAS Prime please don't saay anything about Santa, the woke crown will complain. OBTP

[Dan Marotta]

Well, shucky darn, Tom.  You're right.

And Happy New Year to the rest of the aviation community, and the world,
for that matter.

I flew my Cessna 180K today, did an instrument approach, two stop and
goes, and a full stop.  I flew the gyro a couple of days ago. Tomorrow
is the last day in annual for the Stemme but there's been no wave yet
this season.  I'll get the inspection done in the next week or so. 
Depends upon when the IA is available.

Dan 5J

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks for posting that, Tim.  I got quite a chuckle out of "deGrinch"
and motorglider guys tolling...

Oh, and I witnessed that glider overshoot/crash landing at Moriarty. 
Pretty lame piloting, I'd say.

Dan 5J

[Eric G]

On 12/30/2023 2:02 PM, Bill Tisdale wrote:

> How to find RAS Prime? Or should I not bother.
> With the banner at the top of the RAS page about changes in Feb 2024, It will not show me all of the last post and the bottom of the window.
> Bill

I think you should bother. For me, only a portion of the banner shows when I'm looking at
the Home page, the one with all the threads listed. When I click on a thread, the banner
disappears, and the full page is available. I"m using Google Chrome - what are you using?
Eric G

[Tim Newport-Peace]

On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:

> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much

> as I am 🙂
>
No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely express
the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.

But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall
(1906) spring to mind.

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right
to Say It
--

"Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis."

[Dan Marotta]

There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment of
us all.

Dan 5J

[Moshe Braner]

find it here: https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime

"should bother" because there is now more content there (RASprime) than
here on RAS. The spam here has driven most away. Apparently setting up
a newsreader through a spam-filtering usenet host is too much bother for
most. Alas RASprime is a Google Group, not a usenet newsgroup, so you
*have* to read it via a web browser. Or you can choose to receive (or
not) all the postings as emails, if you prefer. It's a setting in
Google Groups.

[Lynn Alley]

Bill:

https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Tim, the venue of RAS was a wonderful arena filled with different opinions and ideas, the most important and interesting part was that all individuals had the ability to express their thoughts and opinions freely. Was there disagreement, sure, but it was not filtered and suppressed like we see today in most venues, whether it be the media or some forum that is only a melting pot for disagreement. I was a reader of RAS long before I ever posted and when I did my topics were about soaring or soaring related issues, some individuals even took issue with that, the motorglider guys were the most bothered and I guess they still are, yet they and others know that my evaluation of pure glider vs motorglider flights are 100% right on target.
I have never been a big fan of Google and a few other internet wonders, I would like to think that my privacy was protected, yet it isn't. RAS Prime resembles Facebook, it wants to control the content, post something negative about the liberal media and bingo, you are sent to Facebook Timeout for 30 days or so. After my last post on RAS Prime the Fuhrer gave me a phone call to tell me that my post was objectionable by two and would not be tolerated. Are you kidding me, a post about Santa not flying a motorglider was so unacceptable that he went to the trouble to get my private cell number and complain like a kid that had his lunch stolen at school, give me a break.
Even 2G as obnoxious as he can be has the right to say his piece of mind, I will even give him that, and if you dislike his or mine post then don't read them, go on to something else. It will not be long before a new forum will appear that will be void of the Google and Facebook info gathering venue, I hope to see you posting there and if we disagree I will just go to the next thread, but will never question your or others right to express their ideas or opinions. Old Bob, The Purist

[GliderWobble]

I mean, we don't all have to leave RAS newsgroup, I suspect once Google
disconnects from usenet the spam will go away. Either way, eternal
September is working well and RAS will remain for those of us who prefer
the old NNTP system.

[Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)]

With the few decades I have on various forums, some years as a moderator or admin, I find most posts on RAS to be fine (at least until the recent spam deluge).
Yes, there were a couple (monkey penis worshippers comes to mind) I could do without. But overall, not much I would hand out infractions or ban.
Now, if someone sets up their own playground, they can make their own rules. We have a choice, accept their rules or go elsewhere.

I have no real interest in the current issue, but appearances are not what I would have done.

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Charlie, I would like for you to explain the rules about comical Santa post, did it contain profanity, call out anyone by name, make a religious vile statement, ??? The answer to those questions speak for itself, what is so bad about Santa not flying a motorglider? There were a couple of comments to the post that were comical as well and made myself and others chuckle as intended. Let me set the record straight, when one gets to the point where you define content then it isn't the poster that has the problem , it is the so called moderator. This is a tactic of the liberal media and liberal political groups such as Twitter was prior to Elon Musk who clearly exposed such actions. Remember Twitter ban Trump because they did not like his post because of the way they interpreted content. If you said something good about a conservative then you went to Facebook timeout for a while.
yes, one can enforce their own rules and control content if they choose, but I have the right to say so long and leave something that smells like dog feces and tracks through the house. Happy New Year to all. Old Bob, The Purist.

[Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)]

I didn't see any issues wth your thread. As I stated, I moderate several forums. I wouldn't have even blinked on your stuff. But, I am not staff there nor am I staff here.

As to prime, I will not comment.

[Bill Tisdale]

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-5, Lynn Alley wrote:
> Bill:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
Thanks!

[Dan Marotta]

I just don't understand all the talk about a deluge of spam on
eternal-september.  I've seen precisely two spam messages in the past
month or so.  I'm using Ubuntu Linux as my operating system, Thunderbird
as my email client, and eternal-september as my news reader.  Could it
be something good about that combination or have the spammers just
ghosted me?

Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and won't
be going to the google group.  If this news group withers and dies, so
be it.  I've got other forms of entertainment.

Dan 5J

[Eric G]

On 1/1/2024 8:31 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> and eternal-september as my news reader. ..

>
> Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and won't be going to the
> google group.

I also use eternal-september, choosing it because it DOES censor rec.aviation.soaring!
It's the _Google_ RAS (not the Prime version), with the spam, that has the least
censorship of RAS. Ironic, eh?

Eric G 8^)

[Dan Marotta]

Who'da thunk it?

I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here.  Maybe he quit posting...

Dan 5J

[Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)]

OBTP posted in this thread early this morning.

[Tim Newport-Peace]

On 01/01/2024 19:02, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Who'da thunk it?
>
> I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here.  Maybe he quit posting...
>
> Dan 5J

No. eternal-september.org treats him as spam! He is still posting.

It may be my imagination, but the volume of spam seems to be greatly
reduced lately?

[Dan Marotta]

I wonder why I didn't see it...

Dan 5J

[Dan Marotta]

That's odd.

I've checked my filters and don't have him filtered out.  I've been
rummaging through news.eternal-september.org and haven't found anything
that would indicate why I don't see OBTP's postings.  Any ideas?

Dan 5J

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Dan, it is a motorglider conspiracy, old Grinch has been trying to block all of my post, even going to the North Pole to convince Santa that I am a motorglider terrorist. OBTP

[Mark628CA]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

'Nuff said!

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 9:55:49 AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
> https://xkcd.com/1357/
>
> 'Nuff said!
Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP

[Mark628CA]

> Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP

Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:48:05 PM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
> > Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
> Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

Mark, not exactly that way, I had made several post on RAS Prime, the Santa post was purely comical as intended. I was not asked by DeGrinch to limit my posting, the Grinch stated that he had read all my post and was monitoring my post, I simply told Grinch that he was completely off base and his approach was interpretation of the content was wrong. Instead of having a argument that was not making any progress I simply told Grinch to have a good day and canceled the call,
Mark, I get it, you seem not to, and your reply to me further solidifies what I have been saying all along, it is all about content. My post about motorglider vs Pure gliders has merit, the fact is that those who complain are pilots that know there is a difference but will not acknowledge the difference. For your information I do fly with motorglider friends, we all laugh about the post and the replies. There is a difference in making a challenging flight in a Pure glider vs a Motorglider, the Motorglider can always hit the get me home button and us Purist must rely on our skills to get us home.
You are correct about one thing, I do go my own way, if you are not the lead dog the scenery never changes! So, one cannot say anything negative about a motorglider or the way in which they are scored., if you think that there is not a difference then you should take another look and reevaluate your thought process.
Technology has certainly changed soaring, IMHO not always to the better, do I miss the old baragraph, or folding my sectional so I can navigate, or miss the old Kodak 120 cameras, no! The motorglider has certainly made soaring easier, less hassle dependence on tows with self launch, but has altered the very aspect of the challenge. I still prefer the challenge and look at a pure glider flight a bit differently than a motorglider flight, simply stated, they are different.
Sit tight, I am not missing anything by not stating my opinions on that venue, something new is under development that even people like you and Grinch will be welcome to voice your opinions and not be subject to retribution. Take care and enjoy your next flight, just don't start your engine and tell me how great you are. Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist

[Mark628CA]

Ok, so you get invited to a party. There are a number of people there, men, women, and children of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Everybody seems to be having a nice time, but you think the gathering needs a bit of spice. You tell a joke that insults a number of people who consider it racist. Not getting the response you want; you tell a blatantly misogynistic joke. More people are offended. You tell a pedophile joke, and the host asks you to leave. You refuse, citing "freedom of speech," and the host and guests boot you out the door. For some reason, they won't let you back in. You are clueless and tell everybody you meet that you were "just bantering," and don't see the problem and your free speech "rights" are being disrespected. Nobody offers any sympathy.

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
> Ok, so you get invited to a party. There are a number of people there, men, women, and children of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Everybody seems to be having a nice time, but you think the gathering needs a bit of spice. You tell a joke that insults a number of people who consider it racist. Not getting the response you want; you tell a blatantly misogynistic joke. More people are offended. You tell a pedophile joke, and the host asks you to leave. You refuse, citing "freedom of speech," and the host and guests boot you out the door. For some reason, they won't let you back in. You are clueless and tell everybody you meet that you were "just bantering," and don't see the problem and your free speech "rights" are being disrespected. Nobody offers any sympathy.

Mark, now I know, you are a flaming ass liberal that must throw the race card on the table even in a friendly game of canasta. You have never seen me post anything like you have just mentioned, you are the only one that can opine with such woke nonsense. Maybe I can educate you a bit more, "Freedom Of Speech", does not apply in such instances, try another venue. So, I am disrespectful of motorglider guys and gals because I simply have a point of view that doesn't coincide with yours and some motorglider pilots. I never posted anything about," Worshipers, Whores and Motorgliders", only posted my point of view in regard to the differences between motorglider pilots and Purist. You are telling me that I should respect motorglider flights and not Purist flights??? Try leaving your woke racial card somewhere else, maybe you would fit in well with some School like MIT, Harvard, or Penn, you seem to be on the same path.
Contrary to your posting I was not booted out the door, I chose to get out of the cesspool and swim in pure waters, pure waters smell much better. A couple of points that you should consider, each person has an opinion, we don't need a cookie cutter to comply with things that only you and a few others view as politically or socially correct. On another note if I wanted a motorglider I would go buy two, one for myself and one for my wife, I am very capable of that.
You are certainly invited to the next party here at FD25, you may be a bit surprised at our inclusion approach to society, you probably are not accustom to that type of inclusion. In the mean time, "I'll Be Fine, Just Not Prime", and that is by choice. Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist

[Mark628CA]

Hah! Anybody that knows me would laugh at the idea that I am a "Woke Liberal." My politics are irrelevant on this forum, but you could say that I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.

[Eric G]

On 1/4/2024 6:48 PM, Mark628CA wrote:
>> Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
>
> Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

+1 for Mark's post.
+2 for John DeRosa, who spends a lot of time helping people get things right on their
equipment. Including me.

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 5:32:36 PM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
> Hah! Anybody that knows me would laugh at the idea that I am a "Woke Liberal." My politics are irrelevant on this forum, but you could say that I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.

Mark, please correct me if I am incorrect, you were the one that made the comment about racial and ethnic comparisons to the topic, if that wasn't woke then what is? And then there is Eric who wants to opine on the event, glad someone was able to help him with his motorglider, after all Eric you go to an event and spend all your time working on that get me home glider and not flying, glad someone was able to assist you.
When the new open, non moderated site goes live I do expect bot you two to join in on the open forum and be part of the group. For your enjoyment there will be a motorglider, AKA get me home section and a Purist section for both of your reading and posting enjoyment. Your Friend, Old Bob, The Purist

[John Glider-dood]

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:43:45 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Unfortunately the site is not what it appears to be, over two years ago John DeRosa started the site and it was a complete failure. John had stated recently that the site was created because of all the current spam on RAS. I find that his lack of candor exemplifies something to the contrary.
> RAS Prime was started because John did not like the content of RAS, simply stated his dislike of the content drove him to start RAS Prime and be the moderator in charge of content, this is all about content and nothing else.
> I did receive a call from John and he advised me that he had receive two complaints about my Santa posts on RAS Prime, I could hardly believe what he was saying. I asked John who had complained and he simply stated that he could not tell me those whom had complained. I told John that he was way off base and that my posting of Santa Doesn't Fly A Motorglider was nothing more than a comical post that had received a few comical replies, yet he continued to state that he as a moderator had to control such content, I could not help but to laugh, and tell MR. Grinch to have a good night.
> I would advise any person that post on RAS Prime that the main objective is to control content. There will be a much better forum coming in the near future that will NOT be moderated in such a way that interprets content.
> The best of RAS will soon be a thing of past, the best is yet to come. Old Bob, The Purist
====================
Old Bob, The Purist - You really should get your facts straight prior to denigrating someone in public. There is at least one error (some minor, others major) in each of your statements and replies. Why did you leave RAS_Prime? Too civilized? [no need to reply as these are rhetorical questions] Wait ... do I hear OB typing? Can't help yourself? [more rhetorical questions]
====================

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

Dood, you possibly meant Dude, or you could possibly be a production manager for a film company and working on a budget. I chose to leave RAS Prime because of the moderator objecting to a post about Santa. Actually a was sent a video that showed Santa getting into his glider preparing for the journey on Christmas and being towed by a Super Cub, it is a fantastic video I would suggest every glider pilot watch the video, it is very well done and humorous. That was the reason that I made the post that Santa Doesn't Fly a Motorglider, purely comical!
After a couple of days and some very humorous replies the moderator called me on my private cell# to complain about my post, it was almost laughable, how could anyone find a post like that offensive. Mr. DeGrinch went on and on about the post, almost like a rabid dog attacking prey. Mr. DeGrinch stated that he had received complaints about the post and when I asked him who would complain about such a benign post he stated that it was top secret. I informed DeGrinch that he was way off base and controlling and interpreting content, what a sad way to moderate a forum. I also informed DeGrinch that I was no longer posting on RAS Prime at some point one must have a bit of backbone and not comply with such WOKE venues.
For your information I have received many calls from glider pilots all over the country sharing my same views and opinion of RAS Prime. Even prior to this event work had begun on a new site that will be much more inclusive and allow one to view post within a specific category instead of the format that has been used on RAS and RAS Prime, those forums are Google and many people including myself really don't like Google because of the way they accumulate information from individuals. The future site will more than likely be XenForo based community platform that provides premium user experience and security, just hold on, as I told Eric, it will blow your socks off. There will be no moderator telling you that he doesn't like Santa! Old Bob, The Purist

[Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)]

Bump before lockdown.