Spontaneous preferences in politics
Florian Galler
Spontaneous preferences in politics
We should see it as it is: the power of the small, rural, conservative states in the US political system is quite strong. They have a lot of weight in the U.S. Senate and can prevent and enforce many things there. For example, the Senate elects the judges of the US Supreme Court. The Senate is dominated by rural, relatively small and medium-sized states, which are relatively backward in terms of social development, economic development and living standards. A conservative electorate often dominates, especially since the beginning of neoliberalism and neo-conservatism. The conservative, rural states with their conservative electorate spend little on education, schooling and health care and are therefore largely to blame for their own social backwardness and weak economic situation
Since neoliberalism, voters' political preferences have changed and become more convservative. The political influence of liberal forces and regions, the big cities, the growth regions within and among the states has decreased and the conservatives find stronger allies in our social alters than was the case at the time when the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court could lead to a de facto right to abortion on a national level.
Historically, it has been difficult to form the state. This is probably evidenced by the strong position that had to be given to small rural states.
It is okay if young people cannot see this important aspect in the phase of their first politicization.
But the government has no choice; it has to deal with the Senate. It should not, if the urban cancel-culture condemns something which is behind their own belief-systems, withdraw support from the Administration, blame the national government and withdraw political support, if the Administration would not side with them. For the latter only does what it can to find majorities in the Senate for reasonable policies.
And we should not forget that not only democracy but ultimately also the statehood of the USA is prinicpally endangered. It is a crisis of the USA as a federal state, the conservatives and the liberals are not getting together. Social growth and liberalism are an increasing nightmare for the conservatives.
It is not only the ideological right, but also the left that can endanger the statehood of the USA. Corbyn, the former leader of the British Labour Party, was a highly respected politician among the radical left, although he hardly lifted a finger to prevent Brexit. Even the notorious Black Bloc, from which many left-wing liberals cannot distance themselves and which so clearly manifested its will to destroy and its contempt for democracy at the G20 summit in Hamburg in 2017, is diametrically opposed to our democratic system and tries to harm it wherever it can.
When I say that we have become wise by harm, I understand it to mean that the rational personality has been purified by the harm caused by the Trump government and that therefore, without us realizing it, less pressure from social age is weighing on our rational personality. This then makes it easier for us to take reasonable positions.
In my approach I focus on the individual voter and the political opinion leaders. They should admit to themselves that their spontaneous political preferences should be questioned if they have proven to be unwise in retrospect.
We should be better able to relativize our spontanrous apocalyptic, anti-democratic preferences.
The Trump administration's vicious corona policy produced 3 times more deaths than Americans were killed in Vietnam.
Not everyone needs 200,000 deaths before they become reasonable. If we, as enlightened citizens, admit in principle that our political involuntary preferences can cause harm, it makes us more inclined to take a reasonable political position and distance us form ideological ones.
Florian Galler
Nov. 1, 2020
David Shackleton
posts.
Instead, you present more moral polarization posing as intellectualism.
Both the left and the right are busy constructing narratives for the
purpose of deluding themselves that their side is virtuous and the other
side is villainous. It's a game called moral polarization, and it is that
game that is threatening our civilization. Those who play that tribal
game are the true psychological primitives, and they are pretty much
running the show on both sides of the political fence these days.
The future looks bleak indeed. It doesn't much matter who wins the US
election, because the issue isn't ideology, but the lack of awareness, the
lack of conscious enlightenment.
David
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who destroy property, attack people and want to defund the police. They
refuse to criticize leftist extremists like Antifa.
Is there really a difference?
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Isn't it a remarkable difference that the Democratic candidate never would and Democratic presidents never did touch or the electoral law and Biden would not do so either, although the extreme ideological left would want him to do so, while Trump mockingly promises that he won't accept the election and that he did everything in advance to make it a disaster?
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"But Biden is not doing that. Never in my life have I seen a candidate so confidently avoid wedge issues. Biden is instead running on the conviction that, despite it all, Americans deeply love their country, and viscerally long for its unity. He’s running with the knowledge that when you ask America about the greatest threats to our future, “political polarization and divisiveness” comes out No. 1.
"Biden has avoided the stupid binaries about race. Donald Trump went to Mount Rushmore and made a speech essentially saying you can either believe in systemic racism or you can love America. Biden went to Gettysburg and argued that you can “honestly face systemic racism” and love America. He argued that you can believe in fighting racism and believe in law and order. His worldview is based on universal categories — the things we share — not identitarian ones — the ways we supposedly can’t understand each other across difference."
(https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/opinion/joe-biden.html)
- Fact check (from the commies at Reuters) about Biden's respect for looters: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-condemn-violence-idUSKBN25V2O1
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of Trump in 2016 I have watched the left lose their minds, including
(especially) the intellectuals among them. And I have realized the power
of moral polarization, which is a psychological mechanism of guilt
projection. It results in the polarization of perceptions and judgments
in a moral dimension, resulting in convictions about innocent victims (our
group) and guilty perpetrators (the out group). For a good example, see
https://www.academia.edu/36536454/Why_Trump_Won_Outgroup_Hostility_as_the_New_Ethnocentrism?email_work_card=title
The distortion of reality which this requires, or results in, is serious,
unconscious, and sustained. This, the moral polarization, rather than any
partisan issue of the left or the right, is the great sickness of our
time. All of identity politics is caught up in it; the last time we had a
healthy identity movement was that led by Martin Luther King, over fifty
years ago. And of course, partisan politics is currently entirely driven
by it, though it was not historically.
You can recognize movements that are driven by moral polarization because
they are accusatory rather than visionary, and grievance based rather than
collaborative. They build moral polarization in at the foundations, as
feminism did with patriarchy theory, and as all modern identity movements
do, and as US partisan politics does, and this means that they are not
about equality or about solving real problems at all, rather they are
about affirming the righteousness of the victims and the guilt of the
perpetrators.
This is what psychohistory should be seeing and investigating. Instead,
it is caught up in the very polarization dynamic, at least as far as I can
tell on this list. You, Florian, are a perfect example of what I am
describing. Yes, you have written a lot, but it has all be simple
re-assertion of your claims, not dialogue at all. This is how moral
polarization operates, of course; the case FEELS so compelling when one is
in its grip, and the position of the adversary FEELS so obviously wrong
that it doesn't feel worth engaging with.
David
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I do not believe Biden is respectful to rioters. The Blacks however urgently Need our compassion and support
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Esa, you write
the following: “Since I am the only one I see on this thread other than Jim,
Florian, and David, I assume that Jim is referring to me as being on the
wrong side of the psychoanalytic couch for suggesting that Biden is not that
partisan, assessing him to be a lesser threat to democracy than Trump, and
presenting a fact check from Reuters for claims mabe by David. Maybe a
delusional schizophrenic like Florian?”
Are you aware, that this mean you think I am a delusional schizophrenic? But still, an interesting idea. he behaves in any case like some sort of sociopath
No Sturges does not mean you, he has been harassing me for decades.
I can agree with what you say below: “The words, terms or connotations used seem to be more like walls than bridges to make connections and bring understanding”
Esa Palosaari
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I do not much enjoy the kind of exchange that I have engaged in over the last few days, chiefly with Florian.
I joined this list some years ago hoping to see substantial analysis of current affairs from a psychohistorical perspective. This is, after all, what deMause founded the field in order to support.
Is there anyone on the list who would be interested in discussing the issue of moral polarization, the us-and-them victim/perpetrator narrative that has become the main psychological vehicle of modern politics? If not, I propose to leave the list, as it adds no value for me.
David