What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?

[Michael]

What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc.

 

I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek.

 

But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!!

 

I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak.

 

Thanks for any advice.

[hsmitham]

Michael,

I use padded underwear from REI and I just love the Prana stretch Zion shorts they are super comfortable not too baggy and dry super quick, plus they have a nice draw cord to tighten or loosen the waist. I've never done a century with them but have done 70 miles or so and was fine.

http://www.rei.com/product/810264/prana-stretch-zion-shorts-mens

http://www.rei.com/product/794383/novara-padded-cycle-boxers-mens

I'd be curious what others use, it's a good question.

~Hugh

[Robert F. Harrison]

I just wear Ex Officio boxer briefs which breathe well and shed moisture. Living in Hawaii I'm pretty much always sweating when I'm on a bike and have never had any trouble. When I tried cotton box briefs early on I felt like you describe and would have to bring a change for the halfway point. I also wear normal shorts though again they are breathable fabrics, mostly MUSA knickers and Columbia convertible pants (which I wear long to work and short on the way home).

Aloha,

Bob

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[Manuel Acosta]

cut a hole in your saddle. 

I've been using the brooks imperial saddle and never needed bike shorts unless the ride is 300k. 

Thats just me tho. 

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

[Mike]

Ex-Officios+MUSA shorts/knickers/pants+Brooks B17=GO! For the past couple of months I've been using Chrome shorts but I haven't been doing too many long rides. I once did a 200k brevet in MUSA shorts and it was fine.

For padded shorts I've been using Voler products with no problems at all. I wore Voler bibs on the Cascade 1200k last year combined with a Brooks Pro and had no real issues. I think if you're gonna use padded shorts, go with bibs.

--mike

[Tony DeFilippo]

I just did two 50 mile rides (long for me!), couple days apart on the same route. First one I sported the musa wool boxers and athletic shorts, I ended up not so comfortable by about mile 30. To much sweat, not quick enough to dry.

Second time out I switched to some of the LBS baggie cycling shorts with the integrated spandex/chamois... I was more comfortable with that though I hate that elastic on my legs.

So I guess I haven't basked it down yet...

Tony

[cyclotourist]

MUSA shorts/breeches and cotton boxer-brief underwear. Never a problem
so far. For some reason I was wearing some REI padded shorts and the
things chafed my thighs pretty bad (said in best Jimbo Jones voice)
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[samh]

Giordana bibs.  I spend about $150 at the year end sale at competitivecyclist, which buys me their $250-$300 model bibs.  I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts.  I've never seen any padded shorts with a pad as comfortable as the pad on a good quality bib.  If I'm mountain biking, I wear some Prana Mojo shorts over the bibs.

[Bruce Herbitter]

I wear BCG ( UnderArmor and Adiddas also make them for more $) wicking sports briefs (with Bag Balm applied to my skin first) under wool shorts. I have Joneswares and Ibex (I get them  in good used condition off Ebay and remove the pads. I have some RBW wool briefs but the crotch seam in them makes them a no go for long rides. For more relaxed rides, I wear Boosucker shorts over the wicking sports briefs. I find no pad needed when riding the Selle Anatomica saddles. (btw, they have introduced a heavier leather option for riders who felt their saddles were stretching/wearing too quickly) I got my first one back when RBW was selling them, and have since added a few more for other bikes.

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[Eric Platt]

Another one for the REI padded shorts which I'll wear under MUSA clothing.  Like you, can do up to 20 miles in regular shorts but after that a lot of chafing occurs. 

 

Eric Platt

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[Deacon Patrick]

I've worn merino wool underwear for years for my running and daily living. Works great biking too, though I do not live in a hot and humid climate, which I've heard challenges the merino. For shorts, I wear MUSA shorts. Rides of 70+ miles/day for multiple days on tour.

With abandon,

Patrick

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:26:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

[Kieran J]

I wear MEC (Canada's REI) chamois cycling shorts under an old pair of DC skateboarding pants which I've chopped into shorts. Combined with a leather saddle like a B17, it's a great working combo.

KJ

[Ron Mc]

polyester athletic boxer briefs and MUSA shorts - no sweat worries

[Ron Mc]

Deac, I wear merino wool boxer briefs in winter (even have some knicker-length), but I do live in a hot humid climate, and the BCG or Russell Performance polyester is the choice for summer

[Matthew J]

Musa or Musa style shorts.  Base layer either Capilene or merino wool depending on weather.

Few years back under heavy peer pressure from the group on a tour I tried some high end padded shorts.  I found the damn things uncomfortably clammy.  The pads act like a sponge gathering sweat and storing heat.  Definitely not for me.

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

[Deacon Patrick]

Makes sense, Ron. I've worn merino in dry heat (100+˚F) in the Utah desert for rides and runs all day long without issue. And in Colorado when it's humid, it's typically 60˚F or less, so it appears it's the combo of hot and humid that's merino's downfall.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Bruce]

J & G touring shorts (http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Mens-Touring-Shorts.html). The fleece pad works great. These cured my saddle sore problem.

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26:54 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

[Christian]

As others have said, some of this (a lot?) depends on where you live and then the distance you're going to ride.  For a couple of hours Ex Officio boxer briefs under almost any shorts work really well for me.  But on longer rides, here in Virginia with high humidity, especially in the summer, I need something to soak up sweat.  I use Boure shorts and Ibex wool shorts.  Boure uses very thin padding; Ibex are a little more padded.  I like them both a lot--less for the padding (my B17 is comfortable) and more for their ability to manage moisture.  For me, here in VA, wearing padded underwear underneath another pair of shorts (MUSAs or whatever) sounds as if it'd be too hot.  Maybe not.  I like wearing bike shorts: a good pair simply disappear beneath you.  

Good luck! 

Christian      

[Frank]

I'm on the Manny program. I ride in underwear (usually Patagucci lighweight briefs or Ibex boxers, both of which are everyday garments) and MUSA shorts. All my bikes have Brooks B17 saddles in varied states of wear, which work for me and always have. I've done one-day double centuries multiple times with this set up with no trouble. Padded shorts are fine, and I ride in Ibex bibs from time to time, but on longer rides of over forty miles or so they actually seem to be less comfortable.

Assumptions: 1) rider is fit enough for the distance; 2) bike fit is close enough to "good"; 3) rider expectations are reasonable (any saddle / shorts / fit / shoes / etc. combo is going to result on some small amount of "contact awareness" relative to sitting on a couch for an hour).

[Frank Quan]

Bib shorts. I ride with a road club so I buy several pair every year. I wear the new ones on longer (>50 mi) and the older ones on shorter rides.

[BSWP]

I am very comfortable with RBW's Australian wool "trunk" underwear, and some thin baggy nylon outer shorts (MUSA, Royal Robbins, etc.). The MUSA wool undies are too thin for my taste, while the Norwegian Devold version has a funny cut. The AustrALian wool underwear is absolutely perfect, and I can do a 115k ride with plenty energy and saddle comfort to spare. No diaper pads for me.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

[allenmichael]

My favorites are the Patagonia stand-up shorts with the lightweight Devold wool underwear. I've done 90+ miles with a heavy load along the pacific coast and never had any trouble. Might not work as well though if it was really hot. For me, this is plenty of padding, and it breathes well.

That's riding on a Brooks Flyer with no cutouts.

Michael Allen

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

[Patrick Moore]

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:15 AM, samh <rbwo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts.  

You develop protective calluses, so it works out fine.

Personally, I hate the feel of tight, clammy lycra, and gave up on cycling shorts years ago. I think bike fit has a lot more to do with crotchal comfort than padding. I do have a couple of pairs of wool cycling shorts that I'd use for longer distances, but so far, I've had no problems with rides of 3 hours -- my usual max -- even in humid weather (rainy season here brings humidity to back-east levels).

Perhaps the secret is original edition Flite saddles? 

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[Matthew J]

> My favorites are the Patagonia stand-up shorts with the lightweight Devold wool underwear. I've done 90+ miles with a heavy load along the pacific coast and never had any trouble. Might not work as well > though if it was really hot. For me, this is plenty of padding, and it breathes well. 

I wish Patagonia made the stand-ups a little longer as I always neglect to put enough sun screen on my knees.  They are definitely great for long rides.

Must say the lack of any sort of consensus from the RBW folks on these polls is quite refreshing.  Riv/GP fans come from all corners!

[RoadieRyan]

It goes against "Doctrine" but I like bib shorts in particular Castelli or DeMarchi, I find wool boxer briefs with MUSA shorts fine for rides under 20 miles but for the longer stuff I go to the bibs.  I hear great things about Ibex wool blend bibs and intend to try them some day.  As for Jerseys 5 years ago it was basically 100% poly blend in my closet and now its nearly all Merino wool jerseys/polos/t shirts love stuff and can't really imagine wearing a poly jersey again.

Ryan

[Nancy Seibel]

It's Boure shorts for me for long rides. Ibex I find are ok for 30 or so miles. Something about the chamois gets uncomfortable at about that point for me. Hiking shorts with articulated seams without padding are fine for shorter rides but don't work at all for me on longer rides. This seems to vary a lot from one person to the next.

[SteveD]

When I commute to work (12 miles one-way), I wear my padded woolies under my pants (shorts in summer, jeans in winter), and a wool jersey. This way I can just throw on a clean shirt when I get to the office. No fuss, no muss. I stopped wearing SPDs three years ago, and just use tennis shoes or SPD-less touring shoes. Grip Kings work great, and walking around is a lot easier than in SPDs. Haven't looked back since. No regrets; I don't miss SPDs at all.

-Steve DeMont
Seattle

[Christopher Chen]

Wool boxer briefs plus swrve shorts. Honestly, I just like the look of them, and they're comfortable enough.

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[SteveD]

Oh, and on longer rides (more than 40 miles), I wear my wool jersey and shorts. Basically, just go for what's comfortable for whatever ride I'm doing; sometimes I'm just don't feel like "suiting up" these days.

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[William]

1.  Regular clothes for commuting.  

2.  Musa knickers over Devold wool undies for all distances over 20 miles when riding on a Brooks saddle.  

3.  Rapha bibs for all distances over 20 miles when riding on a skinny saddle.  

[William]

"I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek."

I think Grant is a LOT less "anti" than people seem to think.  What's the worst thing Grant has ever said about padded bike shorts?  In my experience, the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term "diaper".  I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean.  Mark Abele wears regular padded bicycle shorts and I would bet a dollar that Grant does not insult Mark or Mark's clothing when he rolls in.  "Hey Mark!  Nice DIAPER!"  I just don't see that happening.  

Grant's true stance, as I understand it, is not "anti-padded-shorts".  Grant is "anti-the-industry-telling-you-that-you-MUST-wear-padded-shorts".  Grant emphatically tells you to wear what works for you.  Grant tells you to wear what you've got.  Grant tells you that you don't have to think that you need to wear a bicycle uniform to operate a bicycle.  If you want to wear bike clothes, go ahead.  Just don't feel like you have to apologize to anyone if you want to ride your bike in Birkenstocks and board shorts.  You don't need a walking uniform, so you don't need a bicycle uniform.  First and foremost it is YOUR choice, and don't let anyone choose for you.  That's what Grant says.  

Maybe I'm wrong about it, but on this topic I think many people misunderstand Grant's position.  I believe that misunderstanding is part of what earns Grant the largely unfair reputation as a retro-grouch.  He's not the least grouchy man I've met, but he's definitely on the "less grouchy" end of the spectrum, in my book.  Stubborn on many things, sure. 

[Mike Schiller]

well said Bill.  While baggy shorts and Exofficio briefs work well for me on more casual rides or tours, a long warm weather ride where I'm going at a good pace for me means good quality lycra shorts. I do prefer a thin pad and simple black color. Winter is wool knickers from Ibex or Ground Effect from NZ.

For baggies, I do like climbing shorts with their stretchy fabric like the Kuhl Renegades or OR Contour's. The Riv baggies are too baggy for my taste and don't stretch.

~mike

Carlsbad Ca.

[Lynne Fitz]

Umm.  Cycling shorts?  Maybe for a few errands from home or work that are short (<5 mi), I'll wear whatever I have on, but anything over that - bike-specific bottoms.  I have a princess and the pea undercarriage.

[shawn]

When I ride my Atlantis I wear cotton briefs and regular gym shorts from Target. This combo has served me well on tour. I would like to try some wool briefs. 

When I ride my Roadeo I use padded underwear under my Target shorts. 

[Patrick Moore]

I think "diaper" is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive >50 milers.

Patrick "diapers forever!" Moore

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

 the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term "diaper".  I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean.  

 

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I agree.  There ain't nothing wrong with cyclin' shorts for the 100 mile ride.  If you don't like the look, then you can get the baggy mountain-biking type or wear regular shorts over them.

I generally go bib-shorts or bib-knickers on 150-mile+ rides.

--Perhaps there is some skin strengthening with callouses (to avoid chafing), but in general, the sit bones get acclimated, and that has nothing to do with callouses (in my experience). I don't really know why, but the bones don't hurt anymore after riding for long long times.  I generally won't get chafing issues on rides under 50 miles, so I can pretty much wear normal/comfortable clothing of any sort for these sorts of rides...

As an aside, I went horseback riding the other day for the second time in my life and my wife was suffering in her sit bones for days (she gets that from biking long distances too), but I didn't notice a thing and I wasn't wearing diapers :).

I agree with Bill and Grant that the preconceived notion that you have to wear "diapers" to cycle is ludicrous and a disservice to the cycling community.

However, the cycling clothing was developed and serves a function for certain rides, and snubbing that because the pros use them or you don't like the look may result in missing out on comfort (i.e. you are using the clothing because it serves a purpose--not because it conforms to any group of people or riders).

Toshi in Oakland, CA

[William]

I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word "snide", then.  I always considered "snide" to be an adjective, meaning:

Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: "snide remarks"

I also considered "mean" to be on the list of synonyms for "snide".  

I do applaud your double entendre, "thick skinned".  You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by "derogatory or mocking" statements that aren't directed at you.  Very well played.  

[oldmangabe]

Michael,

I like Boure synthetic bibs for long rides.  They have thinner pad and good placement.  They have worked best for me on warm (60 degree plus) rides. The Ibex bibs work well in rain or cooler temp long rides.  The Ibex have a thicker and larger pad than the Boure bibs.  The wool bibs wear out quicker, maybe 5000 miles or so of hard riding.  I have had horrible luck with Woolistic shorts and bibs, they consistently wear out after maybe 1000-2000 miles.  Not worth the cost in my book.  I live and ride in Northern California and Oregon. My bars are usually a good one to two inches below my saddle so these might not work as well for upright riding. 

Gabe

[Ron Mc]

I think the whole diaper thing - snide or not - goes with gel padded Lightweight saddles and chafing cremes.  I personally believe the more you wear, the worse the problem becomes - it becomes a sweaty padded mess.  I think most on this forum have reached a similar conclusion about saddle choice and comfort.  Weight weenies don't ride Brooks.  My buddy and his wife are going through the time in the saddle ordeal with her - she wears padded pants but isn't made the brunt of diaper jokes.  Part of the problem, he is making her ride a Bertoud Cork Marie Blanque because he likes the matching saddle pair on their tandem.  I think he should move her much wider B67S to the tandem.  But my buddy is hoping she will outgrow this phase in some manner.  Ultimately, time in the saddle becomes its own solution, so Patrick is on to something about calloused sit bones.  

[Patrick Moore]

My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily.

FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose.

Patrick "Diapers! Onward and Upward!" Moore

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[Mike Williams]

I second the jorts!!

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[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin.

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Patrick

[William]

I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame.  

[Deacon Patrick]

Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

I'm getting very confused here. Let's talk about knives.

[Matthew J]

I think GP wants you to be happy on your bike.

And if that means wearing padded shorts, nylon shorts, denim shorts, diapers, or nothing at all, I expect he will concur (well, maybe not on the last one).

[Patrick Moore]

Amen to that.

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I think GP wants you to be happy on your bike.

And if that means wearing padded shorts, nylon shorts, denim shorts, diapers, or nothing at all, I expect he will concur (well, maybe not on the last one).

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[William]

I agree with this 1000% 

[William]

If I get offended that your offense collection ironically spilled into my Irony Hall of Fame, does my offense become a member of your offense collection or my IHoF, or BOTH!?  Ouch my brain hurts

[Deacon Patrick]

"Ouch my brain hurts"

Sorry. I didn't intend for you to enter my world. Sardonic grin. But yes, both sounds right, to answer your other question, but you have to get offended twice so we each get an original.

With abandon,

Patrick

[cyclotourist]

You all need a suitcase of courage.

Patrick's knife comment was a LOLer.

>>>>>>> 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: "snide remarks"

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also considered "mean" to be on the list of synonyms for "snide".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do applaud your double entendre, "thick skinned". You have a
>>>>>>> literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts,
>>>>>>> and you
>>>>>>> have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by "derogatory
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> mocking" statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think "diaper" is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick
>>>>>>>> skinned
>>>>>>>> since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> those ever elusive >50 milers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick "diapers forever!" Moore
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William <tape...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of the term "diaper". I think that's a very poorly chosen word,
>>>>>>>>> and it is
>>>>>>>>> insulting, and unnecessarily mean.
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[RJM]

I wear bike shorts and jerseys...have a few different pairs. Two are Pearl Izumi Pro shorts that are awesome. Anykind of club riding where speed is high on the list or distances over 30 miles and I am wearing dedicated bike shorts.

 

I also own several pairs of MUSA shorts and wear them with regular undies all the time on shorter than 30 mile routes.

[Peter Morgano]

I use my carbon fiber thong, laterally stiff yet vertically compliant. :-)

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[Ron Mc]

better than vice-versa

[Brian Campbell]

Tweed underwear.

[Marc Irwin]

Hadn't thought of the carbon fiber thong,  hmm... I'm too young for diapers.  Seriously, I wear Champion athletic undies and Musa Shorts almost all the time, especially on long rides.

Marc

[Rod Holland]

Merino wool microweight boxers (I use the Smartwool brand, but there are others on the market) and MUSA shorts. Good for a full day on the bike, in my experience, but YMMV

rod

[Montclair BobbyB]

Cotton camo shorts with lots of pockets... or thin nylon shorts with pockets, or jeans, or cotton madras shorts... the point is, I ride in whatever I've got on... I stopped wearing padded shorts when I started riding only Brooks saddles (B17 saddle of choice) and overall I've been much more comfortable.

BB 

[Patrick Moore]

This morning I rode ~ 16 miles to and from Stevie's (got to shop and wrench role overruled by rush resume client job, so had to go home) in Bicycle Fixations original cycling shorts made from recycled plastic. These are standard street shorts with belt loops and an elastic at the rear to make bending over more comfortable. I had found them too low rise, but when I ride with a seersucker or rayon shirt, tucked in, that takes care of the skin gap and the discomfort of having the waist band tight against the skin of one's hips. Baggy nylon boxers underneath. Perfect.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Montclair BobbyB <montcla...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cotton camo shorts with lots of pockets... or thin nylon shorts with pockets, or jeans, or cotton madras shorts... the point is, I ride in whatever I've got on... I stopped wearing padded shorts when I started riding only Brooks saddles (B17 saddle of choice) and overall I've been much more comfortable.

BB 

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[Lynne Fitz]

Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me.  The alleged "anti bike shorts" vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX.  I thought it was about the BIKE, not the dress code.

[Patrick Moore]

Believe me, I don't wear street shorts for riding for fashion reasons; my innate and immediate inclinations are always to do the opposite of what the group does, so if I went on a Riv bike ride, I'd be very tempted to wear bike shorts (wool, of course) just to be different.

But my riding is almost all under 2 hours/35 miles, and I simply don't need anything but comfortable shorts and boxers for this -- I rarely even wear jerseys in warm weather, though it's all wool jerseys all the time in cold weather. This has the advantage that, at least in summer, I can segway (tm) from work to lounging to riding to lounging to work without changing. Hell, I can even slieep in the same kit. Day after day after day ....

And I wear, and resolutely refuse not to wear, bike specific shoes with attachments either to SPD or Look pedals.

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[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add: can't do anything about being a man, alas.

[Anne Paulson]

I have not posted here, but I too wear conventional bike shorts with a
chamois. I just ignore the comments about bike shorts posted by men;
they are irrelevant to me, because I have different equipment than men
and need different clothing.

Some men sometimes post that they wear the same undershorts day after
day when they are touring. That would never work for me, nor would it
work for any other female cyclist I know.

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[Matt Beebe]

I wear regular underwear and whatever pants for anything under 50 miles, and will think it through a bit more if I'm going for 80+.       I did a 3.5 month tour using MUSA shorts (and a pair of pants too) and a mix of wool boxer briefs and regular cotton boxer briefs.     I was averaging 70 miles a day, with my longest days in the 135 mile range, and was using a Brooks B17 saddle, fairly broken-in.    I'd use the exact same equipment if I were to do it again.

Matt

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/15/2013 04:22 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
> I have not posted here, but I too wear conventional bike shorts with a
> chamois. I just ignore the comments about bike shorts posted by men;
> they are irrelevant to me, because I have different equipment than men
> and need different clothing.

I wear conventional bike shorts too, and I'm a man. I use Brooks and
Berthoud saddles, too. I, like you, ignore all the comments about
shorts recently seen here on the list. I learned my lesson about that
back in 1973, the first time I tried riding a century. I cannot hear
the song "Ring of Fire" without remembering that day.

>
> Some men sometimes post that they wear the same undershorts day after
> day when they are touring. That would never work for me, nor would it
> work for any other female cyclist I know.

Not for me, either. Has nothing to do with male vs female equipment,
either.

[Jimmy Hutch]

My long rides are generally commuting 25 miles one-way. In the summer I favor cotton Gap or Old Navy shorts. In the colder weather I like Levi's commuter jeans. Boxer briefs, NEVER boxers. Riding with boxers, or commando, in street cloths is asking for a pinch flat of the worst variety. For longer rides, I'm a big fan of Rapha bib shorts (commando, of course).

[James Chang]

I'm using kucharik wool cycling shorts with real chamois.  But been wondering if modern synthetic chamois may be better.  Beening thinking about adding some Ibex wool shorts with synthetic chamois to the mix.

 

James Chang

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, hsmitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael,

I use padded underwear from REI and I just love the Prana stretch Zion shorts they are super comfortable not too baggy and dry super quick, plus they have a nice draw cord to tighten or loosen the waist. I've never done a century with them but have done 70 miles or so and was fine.

http://www.rei.com/product/810264/prana-stretch-zion-shorts-mens

http://www.rei.com/product/794383/novara-padded-cycle-boxers-mens

I'd be curious what others use, it's a good question.

~Hugh

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc.

 

I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek.

 

But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!!

 

I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak.

 

Thanks for any advice.

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[Steven Frederick]

Yuck, not this guy! 

I like bibshorts for longer rides, PI or Descent are my favs.  PI's Canyon mtb shorts and mesh chamois liner are surprisingly comfortable for trail riding and casual road rides up to (and probably over) 60 miles.

Steve

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I like my Ibex wool shorts.  It's worth keeping an eye at Sierra Trading Post.  I got a bunch of Ibex stuff at 60% off. I like their wool tops too; they have some hi-vis colors, which is a must for me--it's worth noting their tops tend to be large for their size (probably a size up from Voler/Pearl Izumi etc...)

Toshi

[Matthew J]

> Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me.  The alleged "anti bike shorts" vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX.  I thought it was about the 

> BIKE, not the dress code. 

That is really a shame.  From what I have read, many female riders have difficulty finding a comfortable saddle.  

Lately I am doing much better with my cycling different strokes for different folks attitude.  But even in most ardent 'no diapers' days, I accepted that saddle makers just had not figured out a lot of women riders.  Nowadays though whatever the rider wants to wear I am good with it.  Just don't expect me to wear the dang things!

[Christopher Chen]

I think she's referring to an annual "Grant Petersen" ride held during pedalpalooza, which in it's description is heavy on the dress code, but I don't think is really representative of the PDXers that post in the bunch.

From my experiences with the PDX group, the priorities seem to be:

0) Food

1) Backroads

2) Rough Stuff

3) Camping

4) Scenery

5) Storytelling

Lynne, I know you're out on the west side. Maybe we should come to you?

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Matthew J <matth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me.  The alleged "anti bike shorts" vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX.  I thought it was about the 

> BIKE, not the dress code. 

That is really a shame.  From what I have read, many female riders have difficulty finding a comfortable saddle.  

Lately I am doing much better with my cycling different strokes for different folks attitude.  But even in most ardent 'no diapers' days, I accepted that saddle makers just had not figured out a lot of women riders.  Nowadays though whatever the rider wants to wear I am good with it.  Just don't expect me to wear the dang things!

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:01:56 PM UTC-5, Lynne Fitz wrote:

Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me.  The alleged "anti bike shorts" vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX.  I thought it was about the BIKE, not the dress code.

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc.

 

I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek.

 

But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!!

 

I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak.

 

Thanks for any advice.

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[Christopher Chen]

Oh I forgot:

6) Farts

[hsmitham]

Update: I did an experiment this weekend and rode with regular shorts and the Devold wool underwear on a 50 mile ride and was actually more comfortable than with padded chamois underwear. I felt I could do a century and have no problems. Either way I still feel the saddle but it was noticeably better. Just thought I'd share.

~Hugh 

[NWAJack]

Just did my first century with canari liner/briefs and musa shorts. Comfy.

[Rod Holland]

Correction: what I called "boxers" are actually "boxer briefs", a nuance that probably makes a fundamental difference after a day on the road. Microweight Merino wool under Musa shorts, in any case...

rod

[Lynne Fitz]

:-) Thanks.  I am a randonneur, so food is definitely important.  My Riv WAS my rando bike until I tried to ride further than 300k on it - top tube is too long and my shoulders give it up.  Painfully.

I'm ok, really, unless you all want to come out to the west side; lots of backroads here.  They could even be hilly ones.  (I hear Michael J snickering.  He knows them all)